Post: #51

(10-12-2017 07:11 AM)DraperJ.hank Wrote:  Two weeks back in Swedistan after my first visit to Kiev, Ukraine. The cold artic winter is creeping up and I have yet layed my eyes on a girl higher than 6.5.

I am confused when you refer to "Swedistan" I assume you mean Sweden right? Are you located somewhere other than Stockholm? I have 3 friends that live in Stockholm. I am FB friends with them. Many of their female friends are well above 6.5. I live in Miami and frequently meet women from Sweden. The majority of girls I meet from Sweden I would say are 7s and above. Several other posters have traveled to Sweden and have spoken highly about the quality of women there.

Can you elaborate, on why you are dissatisfied with women in Sweden?

Post: #52

No I live north in a smaller city. Been working alot since I got home

There are goodlooking girls here no doubt. Still the quality is lower compared to Ukraine if like me you like model like bodies but if you like a little thicker girl who might be blond then sure.

Its neither: All girls are bikini models or all girls are ugly fat feminists.. the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Im working on having more time to chase girls and being more location independent both within Sweden and outside of it right now

Post: #53

(10-15-2017 06:09 AM)DraperJ.hank Wrote:  No I live north in a smaller city. Been working alot since I got home

There are goodlooking girls here no doubt. Still the quality is lower compared to Ukraine if like me you like model like bodies but if you like a little thicker girl who might be blond then sure.

Its neither: All girls are bikini models or all girls are ugly fat feminists.. the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Im working on having more time to chase girls and being more location independent both within Sweden and outside of it right now

I was in Stockholm pre-migration crisis and pre-roma migration, so much has changed sadly. Back in those days so many (and still) hot blondes, no beggars, great nightlife, no fear whatsoever, and among the friendliest locals I've come across. Many random strangers letting me join their groups to explore the nightlife, and I've passed out in a few Swede's places. This is before tinder of course and the popularity of online dating.

Post: #54

Im only 21 and its wierd to know how ones own home is for what its seems past its expiration date. One can only try to salvage what is left in the ruins I suppose

Post: #55

(02-05-2017 03:12 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  When you step off that plane, you'll have thoughts of, "Man, I've been dating beautiful, feminine women, and I'm ready to take on the world."

Within a few days you realize all you've got is a giant shit sandwich.

Fuck man, I didn't even bang hot girls (5, 6.5) and I got this exact same feeling.

As I got used to the norm of next to no fat ugly girls walking around, I started to think, "Ah, the US ain't that bad..."

What I did was combined the advantages of living in EE with those of the US, neglecting to remember the incredible situation with women in the US. This is because EE started to feel "normal", almost like going back a few decades, when girls in the US didn't have such attitudes and were higher quality, before the age of mobile phones and dating apps.

My problem is the days won't blend into each other: each one is a struggle as I cannot unsee what I have seen. I have to return but I am also exhausted from my first foray into EE, and have to make sense of it and let the dust settle and gather my energy together to take another shot at it.

Post: #56

(10-15-2017 06:10 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 03:12 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  When you step off that plane, you'll have thoughts of, "Man, I've been dating beautiful, feminine women, and I'm ready to take on the world."

Within a few days you realize all you've got is a giant shit sandwich.

Fuck man, I didn't even bang hot girls (5, 6.5) and I got this exact same feeling.

As I got used to the norm of next to no fat ugly girls walking around, I started to think, "Ah, the US ain't that bad..."

What I did was combined the advantages of living in EE with those of the US, neglecting to remember the incredible situation with women in the US. This is because EE started to feel "normal", almost like going back a few decades, when girls in the US didn't have such attitudes and were higher quality, before the age of mobile phones and dating apps.

My problem is the days won't blend into each other: each one is a struggle as I cannot unsee what I have seen. I have to return but I am also exhausted from my first foray into EE, and have to make sense of it and let the dust settle and gather my energy together to take another shot at it.

You'll never be able to go back to the way things were.

Also, I don't get the Eastern Europe crowd, as far as I know, there isn't any country that lets you just drop in there and stay as long as you want without the hassle of doing visa runs.

And long-term, I'm not about visa runs. Actually I'm not about visa runs short-term either, I just want to live my life.

Post: #57

(10-15-2017 06:27 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  You'll never be able to go back to the way things were.

Yes. I cannot unsee or un-experience these things. Pretty girls everywhere. Beautiful girls with boyfriends who would get utterly decimated in the Anglosphere. I've got to get a piece of this action.

I'm not a club guy but one night I went. It was an absolute sausagefest however I was just walking through the bar area and to my right I saw a girl, smoking hot in her makeup but also very cute, beautiful, her eyes light up as I walked by. She was being hounded by a couple of no-game arabs the whole night. Even to these guys she rejected their advances politely. I should have approached but her beauty in that club was so surprising, and the way she looked at me, I cannot describe. I actually had a chance with her and top tier beauty girls at times. Nowhere near all the time, but enough special looking girls to make me think, "I am not that far below Justin Bieber." Talk about stepping off the plane ready to conquer the world. Fuck Selena Gomez man this girl and others of this caliber were better, and I saw about a couple dozen at this level over a period of a few weeks. The problem is they often surprised me and caught me off guard.

I approached a tall girl in the mall and asked her for directions, all a lie of course, but she walked me to the map of the mall and gave me a leaflet, she was very busy working 7 days a week, I was transitioning when her friend called her. She told me "have a lovely stay in the city".

In the middle of a conversation with a pretty young student I commented on the color of polish girls' hair, that it was not as blonde as I expected, and I ran my hand down her long, natural hair. It was beautiful because it was natural, two strangers, no routines, this is where daygame can be one of the most beautiful things in the world, and at the same time so dark and lonely, especially when solo. After I did this, the girl's eyes lit up and she looked "into" me, not at me.

In every instance, there had to be a feminine girl, otherwise there would have been no electricity between masculine and feminine. This is why you can't feel this magic with western girls anymore, because they have drifted so far away from the feminine pole.

I did bang 2 girls, but little moments like these I remember, like beacons of light against the dark void of soulless existence in the USA.

Somehow I've got to make this work. Just one date with my first EE girl was like three hours of heaven compared to banging an american girl. I do have the fear that it is a drug to which I may get hopelessly addicted to the point of self-destruction, not entirely unlike a heroin addict. As one wise poster once said, "EE is where men's dreams go to live or die." I love asian girls but I don't know if they would be able to entirely replace the much harder EE girls. If I fail, could they be the methadone to my heroin? I wonder if a trip to SEA for sanity's sake might just at least alleviate the worst of PSAD.

Post: #58

(10-15-2017 06:09 AM)DraperJ.hank Wrote:  No I live north in a smaller city. Been working alot since I got home

Ok got it. That makes a lot more sense.

(10-15-2017 06:09 AM)DraperJ.hank Wrote:  There are goodlooking girls here no doubt. Still the quality is lower compared to Ukraine if like me you like model like bodies but if you like a little thicker girl who might be blond then sure.

I dont like model thin girls. I like my ladies with curves thick/athletic thighs, with bubblebutts!

(10-15-2017 06:09 AM)DraperJ.hank Wrote:  Its neither: All girls are bikini models or all girls are ugly fat feminists.. the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Sounds like Swedish girls are either really pretty or really ugly! Which is funny you say this because even in my limited interactions with them in Miami I have noticed this to. But since my sample population was so low I didnt think anything of it.

(10-15-2017 06:09 AM)DraperJ.hank Wrote:  Im working on having more time to chase girls and being more location independent both within Sweden and outside of it right now

Sounds good bro. I would definitely like to hear what you are doing to be location independent.

Post: #59

(10-15-2017 07:45 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 06:27 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  You'll never be able to go back to the way things were.

Yes. I cannot unsee or un-experience these things. Pretty girls everywhere. Beautiful girls with boyfriends who would get utterly decimated in the Anglosphere. I've got to get a piece of this action.

Somehow I've got to make this work. Just one date with my first EE girl was like three hours of heaven compared to banging an american girl. I do have the fear that it is a drug to which I may get hopelessly addicted to the point of self-destruction, not entirely unlike a heroin addict. As one wise poster once said, "EE is where men's dreams go to live or die." I love asian girls but I don't know if they would be able to entirely replace the much harder EE girls. If I fail, could they be the methadone to my heroin? I wonder if a trip to SEA for sanity's sake might just at least alleviate the worst of PSAD.

Spaniard is right. Once you go down the rabbit hole, there's no unseeing it. Hell, I may have gone too early lmao. I'm 23 and have already been to SEA. I will tell you right now, going to SEA will not solve your problem. It will only enable it and make it worse. I went to the Philippines recently and loved it, the problem is now I want more and got used to having a regular supply of girls when in the US it's either long dry spells, matching/talking to undesirable girls, or just being around more people with an overall nasty attitude.

I have this fear myself tbh, only with SEA girls. That it will become such a powerful addiction like a drug that I may ostracize those around me if I lean on it for too long. Of course, I'm trying to work harder for a location independent income and to go back, but there are still risks and I have family and very close friends in the US I personally have to be mindful of. I've never been overly fascinated with EE girls but Asia is the only continent I've been to besides North America obviously.

Hell, I've been back in the US for months and it took me forever to cut off contact with the main girl I met in SEA because I got obsessed with the experience and wanted to hang onto the memories. I also day dream about the girl experiences I had over there a lot and am a lot less motivated to make advances towards girls in my local parts.

I'd say it can simply go two ways. If you go to SEA or EE, I think you have to prepare for what you will discover and be willing to go all-in. I think it'd be very hard to just go once and put it behind you. You have to commit to finding the right girl or be single for life with these women. However, it can motivate you to work harder for a better life because now you have a clear reward, which is something I think most of us don't have in the West that are not materialistic.

Post: #60

(10-16-2017 01:52 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 07:45 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 06:27 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  You'll never be able to go back to the way things were.

Yes. I cannot unsee or un-experience these things. Pretty girls everywhere. Beautiful girls with boyfriends who would get utterly decimated in the Anglosphere. I've got to get a piece of this action.

Somehow I've got to make this work. Just one date with my first EE girl was like three hours of heaven compared to banging an american girl. I do have the fear that it is a drug to which I may get hopelessly addicted to the point of self-destruction, not entirely unlike a heroin addict. As one wise poster once said, "EE is where men's dreams go to live or die." I love asian girls but I don't know if they would be able to entirely replace the much harder EE girls. If I fail, could they be the methadone to my heroin? I wonder if a trip to SEA for sanity's sake might just at least alleviate the worst of PSAD.

Spaniard is right. Once you go down the rabbit hole, there's no unseeing it. Hell, I may have gone too early lmao. I'm 23 and have already been to SEA. I will tell you right now, going to SEA will not solve your problem. It will only enable it and make it worse. I went to the Philippines recently and loved it, the problem is now I want more and got used to having a regular supply of girls when in the US it's either long dry spells, matching/talking to undesirable girls, or just being around more people with an overall nasty attitude.

I have this fear myself tbh, only with SEA girls. That it will become such a powerful addiction like a drug that I may ostracize those around me if I lean on it for too long. Of course, I'm trying to work harder for a location independent income and to go back, but there are still risks and I have family and very close friends in the US I personally have to be mindful of. I've never been overly fascinated with EE girls but Asia is the only continent I've been to besides North America obviously.

Hell, I've been back in the US for months and it took me forever to cut off contact with the main girl I met in SEA because I got obsessed with the experience and wanted to hang onto the memories. I also day dream about the girl experiences I had over there a lot and am a lot less motivated to make advances towards girls in my local parts.

I'd say it can simply go two ways. If you go to SEA or EE, I think you have to prepare for what you will discover and be willing to go all-in. I think it'd be very hard to just go once and put it behind you. You have to commit to finding the right girl or be single for life with these women. However, it can motivate you to work harder for a better life because now you have a clear reward, which is something I think most of us don't have in the West that are not materialistic.

I couldn't have said it better.

Post: #61

I find myself daydreaming of latin discos way to often. Ain't no place in the world I feel more alive. Cold drink in hand dancing with a spicy little latina in a sexy dress. Back in the US listening to the music keeps me going, momentarily alleviates my PSAD, and keeps me looking forward to getting on that airplane.

Amazing how music and smells can whip up the most clear memories.

Post: #62

(10-16-2017 01:52 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:  I'd say it can simply go two ways. If you go to SEA or EE, I think you have to prepare for what you will discover and be willing to go all-in. I think it'd be very hard to just go once and put it behind you. You have to commit to finding the right girl or be single for life with these women. However, it can motivate you to work harder for a better life because now you have a clear reward, which is something I think most of us don't have in the West that are not materialistic.

Umm... I was never really thinking of going "all-in" to SEA... call me complacent but I sort of wanted to treat it as a "holiday" from all the IRL cold approach in the day in USA and EE. So do more common stuff that I read about on the forum which is online pipelining and then more online game to get a large quantity of filipina 6s. Who knows, maybe I would be addicted to that, especially with how hard it is in EE. But at the moment, for some reason, I see my future somewhere in EE not SEA, but with SEA as intermittent breaks from the difficulties of game in EE.

Post: #63

(10-17-2017 09:59 AM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  I find myself daydreaming of latin discos way to often. Ain't no place in the world I feel more alive. Cold drink in hand dancing with a spicy little latina in a sexy dress. Back in the US listening to the music keeps me going, momentarily alleviates my PSAD, and keeps me looking forward to getting on that airplane.

Amazing how music and smells can whip up the most clear memories.

There's a word for this, but I can't remember it. Not only memories, there's a certain song that when I hear it, I taste vodka.

If anyone knows the word, let me know, I've looked for it before and I think I found it once...I should have saved it.

Post: #64

^ Nostalgia?

Post: #65

(10-19-2017 01:38 AM)Adrenaline Wrote:  ^ Nostalgia?

No, it was something else...so the example in my case, when I heard a certain song, I would taste vodka as strongly as if I had just taken a shot, even though I hadn't drank vodka at that point in years.

It hasn't happened again, so the effect has been erased over time, but I remember the first time it happened it was surprising.

Post: #66

^ I believe the word you’re looking for is ‘synesthesia’

Post: #67

(10-17-2017 09:59 AM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  I find myself daydreaming of latin discos way to often. Ain't no place in the world I feel more alive. Cold drink in hand dancing with a spicy little latina in a sexy dress. Back in the US listening to the music keeps me going, momentarily alleviates my PSAD, and keeps me looking forward to getting on that airplane.

Amazing how music and smells can whip up the most clear memories.

What countries are these latin discos located? Have you ever tried the latin dance clubs in Miami?

Post: #68

(10-20-2017 01:00 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  What countries are these latin discos located? Have you ever tried the latin dance clubs in Miami?

Any disco in South America. I've never been to Miami.

Post: #69

(10-19-2017 10:35 AM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  ^ I believe the word you’re looking for is ‘synesthesia’

Yeah, I think that's it, this part of the definition (from Wikipedia) seems to cover it:

"In auditory-tactile synesthesia, certain sounds can induce sensations in parts of the body. For example, someone with auditory-tactile synesthesia may experience that hearing a specific word feels like touch in one specific part of the body or may experience that certain sounds can create a sensation in the skin without being touched. It is one of the least common forms of synesthesia.[24] However, some speculate that the common phenomenon of autonomous sensory meridian response (ASMR), in which auditory stimuli or trigger words create a tingling sensation in the body without being touched, to be a form of auditory-tactile synesthesia, meaning that it could be more common than current statistics imply."

Pretty neat.

Post: #70

One thing I've found challenging is going from Asia nice guy game (show up, dress well, speak the local language and be knowledgeable about the culture, be interesting and socially well adjusted, tease them lightly, have a decent lifestyle) to American game where I have to be witty and confident and put down their shit tests all in English (which I didn't use a lot when abroad) and deal with their expectations being out of sync with their attractiveness level. I used to have that cocky vibe but lost it living abroad for a few years, not sure how to jumpstart that back into my personality without relying on alcohol too much.

Post: #71

To Ogunn:

*Quote
(I dont like model thin girls. I like my ladies with curves thick/athletic thighs, with bubblebutts!)

Haha then Sweden will fit you well!
I recorded a podcast with Kyle Trouble today that will be out on thursday about Sweden!

About the Location independents, Im working on buying and renting out houses where I live. I already have three on the way through family but willl ad to them aswell.

Then theres just lowering my expenses here and I got some more ideas that involve niche courses in a trade that I think can be profitable in my certain area where I live.

The goal is to have enough money to go and live in eastern europe atleast six months out of the year!

Post: #72

Those of you who follow the Philippines thread know that I returned from my first Phils trip about a month ago.

Ever since then, I have real difficulties dealing with daily life and the usual nuisances here in fucked up Munich, Germany. It's just so dragging and boring from the moment I get up until the moment I come home at night and can finally get my mind traveling a little by reading or watching stuff about other countries at least, such as youtube videos where guys film a walk in the bustling centre of Cali, Colombia with all the fruit juice and food stands, the hot chicks in short clothes and the amazing weather.

It's not just after the PH trip that I had this, this feeling of deep boredom and despise for daily life in boring Germany has been building up inside me for quite some years now; I've had it already 10 or more years ago when returning from trips to NYC or California.

But this time, it hits me really hard. I see the cold, stuck-up, over-entitled, dressed-like-guys girls on the subway, the angry, closed-off, narrow-minded people everywhere, the weather sucks as hell and I spend my days in the daily office grind with boring paper-pushing and somehow getting my chores done in the two hours after I finish work when the stores are still open. Stores in Munich fucking close at 8pm, can you imagine that! I can't even buy a fucking fruit juice or a frozen pizza when I walk home from a friend at 10pm. This place feels cold, dead and everyone here is looking like a zombie to me, because there is nothing fucking interesting in this boring shithole of a village-like city.

Rant end; I need to convert my energy into sth more rewarding and that's why I decided to re-visit PH as soon as possible and that's what I'm looking for the most to.

Still, it's really hard to even focus all day. Everything I do, I'm not really there while I'm here in Munich. The subway commute, the grocery store, the streets, the office, the colleagues and their stories, the work - it's the same repetitive shit like I'm the protagonist of Groundhog Day, except it doesn't get better by trying to change things because the only thing that'll help me is a change of location obviously...

I will never get how the "normal", blue-pill guys in my office can endure this for all their lives, without even questioning it or even knowing that there is something else out there, the only travels they ever make to the same Austrian mountain village and the same Spanish mass-tourism, germanized seaside resort for decades.

Post: #73

(11-07-2017 04:21 PM)goldenhinde Wrote:  Those of you who follow the Philippines thread know that I returned from my first Phils trip about a month ago.

Ever since then, I have real difficulties dealing with daily life and the usual nuisances here in fucked up Munich, Germany. It's just so dragging and boring from the moment I get up until the moment I come home at night and can finally get my mind traveling a little by reading or watching stuff about other countries at least, such as youtube videos where guys film a walk in the bustling centre of Cali, Colombia with all the fruit juice and food stands, the hot chicks in short clothes and the amazing weather.

It's not just after the PH trip that I had this, this feeling of deep boredom and despise for daily life in boring Germany has been building up inside me for quite some years now; I've had it already 10 or more years ago when returning from trips to NYC or California.

But this time, it hits me really hard. I see the cold, stuck-up, over-entitled, dressed-like-guys girls on the subway, the angry, closed-off, narrow-minded people everywhere, the weather sucks as hell and I spend my days in the daily office grind with boring paper-pushing and somehow getting my chores done in the two hours after I finish work when the stores are still open. Stores in Munich fucking close at 8pm, can you imagine that! I can't even buy a fucking fruit juice or a frozen pizza when I walk home from a friend at 10pm. This place feels cold, dead and everyone here is looking like a zombie to me, because there is nothing fucking interesting in this boring shithole of a village-like city.

Rant end; I need to convert my energy into sth more rewarding and that's why I decided to re-visit PH as soon as possible and that's what I'm looking for the most to.

Still, it's really hard to even focus all day. Everything I do, I'm not really there while I'm here in Munich. The subway commute, the grocery store, the streets, the office, the colleagues and their stories, the work - it's the same repetitive shit like I'm the protagonist of Groundhog Day, except it doesn't get better by trying to change things because the only thing that'll help me is a change of location obviously...

I will never get how the "normal", blue-pill guys in my office can endure this for all their lives, without even questioning it or even knowing that there is something else out there, the only travels they ever make to the same Austrian mountain village and the same Spanish mass-tourism, germanized seaside resort for decades.

It doesn't get better man. Once you see it, you can't forget about it. I've been back for 4 months from the Phils and it still eats me a bit. America isn't all bad but I just always feel like there's a peace missing to complete the puzzle when I think about the girls of the Philippines.

Post: #74

mmmm the taste of JollyBee's fine queasy-ine....or better yet fried chicken and rice at a 7-11 YUMMY!

Just kidding!

GoldenHinde you don't know it yet (or maybe you do) but your a man with a plan.
The drones around you don't have a plan.
Your already miles ahead, by having goals
You have to feel the pain of being were you are in order to appreciate where you were.

Your probably saving for the next trip..saving to retire there
Your planning on improving the logistics/costs/flights for the next trip because you have had boots on the ground
Your may be living in Munich without developing deep roots (buying a house)
Your planning what kind of wife or girlfriend you want
Your planning where to live

A lot of the "daze like" feelings when arriving back to your home country is "the subconscious" working in overdrive. IMO
The amount of information the brain has to process and sort through is mind boggling (pun intended) and then there's reality of day to day functioning

Just use Munich for what it's worth a kind of a stepping stone because by the sound of your letter you don't live there anymore and don't intend to be trapped there (like the zombie's)

Post: #75

(11-07-2017 04:21 PM)goldenhinde Wrote:  Those of you who follow the Philippines thread know that I returned from my first Phils trip about a month ago.

Ever since then, I have real difficulties dealing with daily life and the usual nuisances here in fucked up Munich, Germany. It's just so dragging and boring from the moment I get up until the moment I come home at night and can finally get my mind traveling a little by reading or watching stuff about other countries at least, such as youtube videos where guys film a walk in the bustling centre of Cali, Colombia with all the fruit juice and food stands, the hot chicks in short clothes and the amazing weather.

It's not just after the PH trip that I had this, this feeling of deep boredom and despise for daily life in boring Germany has been building up inside me for quite some years now; I've had it already 10 or more years ago when returning from trips to NYC or California.

But this time, it hits me really hard. I see the cold, stuck-up, over-entitled, dressed-like-guys girls on the subway, the angry, closed-off, narrow-minded people everywhere, the weather sucks as hell and I spend my days in the daily office grind with boring paper-pushing and somehow getting my chores done in the two hours after I finish work when the stores are still open. Stores in Munich fucking close at 8pm, can you imagine that! I can't even buy a fucking fruit juice or a frozen pizza when I walk home from a friend at 10pm. This place feels cold, dead and everyone here is looking like a zombie to me, because there is nothing fucking interesting in this boring shithole of a village-like city.

Rant end; I need to convert my energy into sth more rewarding and that's why I decided to re-visit PH as soon as possible and that's what I'm looking for the most to.

Still, it's really hard to even focus all day. Everything I do, I'm not really there while I'm here in Munich. The subway commute, the grocery store, the streets, the office, the colleagues and their stories, the work - it's the same repetitive shit like I'm the protagonist of Groundhog Day, except it doesn't get better by trying to change things because the only thing that'll help me is a change of location obviously...

I will never get how the "normal", blue-pill guys in my office can endure this for all their lives, without even questioning it or even knowing that there is something else out there, the only travels they ever make to the same Austrian mountain village and the same Spanish mass-tourism, germanized seaside resort for decades.

Very similar to how I felt after my first trip to EE a couple of years ago. Incubus' post makes a lot of sense to how I felt at that point and still do to this day. For the time being, I have got a good girl (virgin, younger, feminine, nurse etc) here in Scotland and still traveling solo and with her. I do like Scotland for a many reasons but see similarities in the cities here that seem similar to you in Munich. I enjoy life much more when in nature (rural). I am always working, investing, saving and travel frequently while thinking of where to live if things go well with her or if it does not work out. Time is on my side so who knows though but i do still think with urgency. I do want a family by 30/35. There are good girls here for the right man though. I thought the average German was one of the most well-travelled people in the world. Clearly not going by your last sentence.