Post: #126

If everyone is connected and socialising, when the bill for the table comes, who is paying?

Post: #127

(04-23-2015 10:27 AM)Moma Wrote:  If everyone is connected and socialising, when the bill for the table comes, who is paying?

The guy with the money who really appreciates guys like Distant Light who bring table full of models that love to party, that's who pays.

The thing is, it's not going to be "everyone" connected. That's the beauty of having social savvy and building up connections. It can't be outright bought and it's a rare skill at that level. Imagine that, other guys paying to get access to your women. You're a bit of a social pimp there, Distant Light.

Post: #128

(04-23-2015 10:27 AM)Moma Wrote:  If everyone is connected and socialising, when the bill for the table comes, who is paying?

I can only imagine the mad rush to the bathroom at closing time.

Post: #129

(04-23-2015 11:36 AM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(04-23-2015 10:27 AM)Moma Wrote:  If everyone is connected and socialising, when the bill for the table comes, who is paying?

The guy with the money who really appreciates guys like Distant Light who bring table full of models that love to party, that's who pays.

The thing is, it's not going to be "everyone" connected. That's the beauty of having social savvy and building up connections. It can't be outright bought and it's a rare skill at that level. Imagine that, other guys paying to get access to your women. You're a bit of a social pimp there, Distant Light.

I'm normally that guy who pays when the check comes. But it is usually when I'm hosting a friends bachelor/birthday party. The host/promoter like Distant Light will usually bring girls for my friends.

It's awesome for Distant Light that he's gotten into that social circle. The bottle rats that come by are mostly pump and dumps, and they are often looking for a sponsor. The guys that win are guys like Distant Light, not the wealthy guys paying. I normally bring a girl for myself. But most of my friends are married/dating so they want to get laid for their birthday.

I think most of the WSP guys are in their 20s to early 30s. For someone that age showing $$ may get the interest of girls. But if you're in your 40s showing the same wealth will just get the girls (if they are mid 20s or higher) to switch into BB mode and be born again virgins. You have to work hard to be the "fun guy" or rich playboy to avoid the BB trap.

Post: #130

WSP is funny. The perspective is however standard fare navel gazing. WSP used to post on the forum and had this borderline obsessive belief that everyone wants to be an Investment Banker. When told by several intelligent RVF members that they didn't want that kind of career because of the soul-crushing hours he threw a fit and just called everyone haters/liars. Left the forum shortly after.

So, guy's mentality is that everything is about making money and how that directly correlates to success with hotter women. I'm not saying there's a degree of truth to this but the post cited by the OP is taking it to the extreme.

Post: #131

(04-23-2015 12:21 PM)Vicious Wrote:  So, guy's mentality is that everything is about making money and how that directly correlates to success with hotter women. I'm not saying there's a degree of truth to this but the post cited by the OP is taking it to the extreme.

I agree. They're working with large sums of money and with very wealthy people. It makes sense that it would skew their perspectives.

My experience is that if you put me in a club against a good looking younger guy with game, I'll lose almost every time. The times that I'll win will be with girls that are looking for a BB provider/sponsor/daddy figure. That doesn't mean that money doesn't help me. I just had to figure out how best to leverage it. Spending tons of money in clubs, expensive dinners etc are not they best way to get girls for a wealthy guy. The best way is to use your money to get out of the West altogether.

Post: #132

(04-23-2015 12:09 PM)Gringuito Wrote:  I think most of the WSP guys are in their 20s to early 30s. For someone that age showing $$ may get the interest of girls. But if you're in your 40s showing the same wealth will just get the girls (if they are mid 20s or higher) to switch into BB mode and be born again virgins. You have to work hard to be the "fun guy" or rich playboy to avoid the BB trap.

That's something I noticed together with a few friends as we are all either end 30s or early 40s - most still going out for young poon.

Recently a friend who is 39, but looks much younger, made the mistake of telling a young 20yo Polish 8 his age (she estimated him to be 33). Let's just say that after that seduction became much more difficult and she finally said that she is not into relationships right now and thinks that at his age he is looking to settle down. Well - my buddy recently divorced because of his having multiple girls on the side, so he certainly won't settle down so quickly. Female hamsters are innately solipsistic and they cannot see beyond their own (perverted) life-planning like:
1. party years 18-25
2. getting serious, but stuffing in a few for the road 25-28
3. panic-phase setting in, no longer hottest bitch on the block 28-30
4. outright panic mode & "having matured" 30-32
5. settling with next best Beta-boy 33-36
6. divorcing of next best Beta 36-40
7. cougar party years 40-45
8. end of days 45+

Money can make seduction more difficult at times as they prepare to feign the "good girl". But I guess Gringuito has a point that they don't think that the 27yo trust fund kid/Wallstreetplayboy they met at the club is going to settle down with them anyday soon.

Also if you take a look at DistantLight's older mentor then you see party written all over him - not everyone is like that or conveys that message so clearly 24/7:

Post: #133

(04-23-2015 12:09 PM)Gringuito Wrote:  

(04-23-2015 11:36 AM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(04-23-2015 10:27 AM)Moma Wrote:  If everyone is connected and socialising, when the bill for the table comes, who is paying?

The guy with the money who really appreciates guys like Distant Light who bring table full of models that love to party, that's who pays.

The thing is, it's not going to be "everyone" connected. That's the beauty of having social savvy and building up connections. It can't be outright bought and it's a rare skill at that level. Imagine that, other guys paying to get access to your women. You're a bit of a social pimp there, Distant Light.

I'm normally that guy who pays when the check comes. But it is usually when I'm hosting a friends bachelor/birthday party. The host/promoter like Distant Light will usually bring girls for my friends.

It's awesome for Distant Light that he's gotten into that social circle. The bottle rats that come by are mostly pump and dumps, and they are often looking for a sponsor. The guys that win are guys like Distant Light, not the wealthy guys paying. I normally bring a girl for myself. But most of my friends are married/dating so they want to get laid for their birthday.

I think most of the WSP guys are in their 20s to early 30s. For someone that age showing $$ may get the interest of girls. But if you're in your 40s showing the same wealth will just get the girls (if they are mid 20s or higher) to switch into BB mode and be born again virgins. You have to work hard to be the "fun guy" or rich playboy to avoid the BB trap.

Gringuito is right! Mr Big pays and that's that lol

The way I see the lifestyle of Distant Light is as follows:

I don't want to be the guy flying the 20 Mil jet, I want to be the guy that owns it.

I don't want to be the guy programming the 100 Mil super computer, I want to be the guy who owns the company.

I don't want to be Distant Light, I want to be the guy he brags about partying with

I absolutely agree with Gringuito that a man with means has to be careful not fall in the provider hole where women start to act like nuns in the hope of making him a future husband.

Finally, I think money and game (as opposed to money vs game) is a legitimate subject of discussion. It would be fantastic if ideas can be shared on this topic. How can money enhance ones game? What pitfalls to avoid? Some of us can not play the broke guy game anymore! I mean, what am I going to say? Separate checks please .. lol

Post: #134

Guys have just got to get the ability to extract what's useful in any given post an apply it to their lives while ignoring the rest. I have gotten some good ideas and mindsets from WSP, but I'm not going to be like that. WSP has good mindset about acquiring money, networking, doing deals, and generally all things finance related. That's their forte. It takes time to figure out what you really want, so guys try on different hats, but there is no one true way.

Post: #135

Is west coast the former rvfer who runs wsp?

Post: #136

Everyone agrees logistics improve your game outcomes.

$$ enhances logistics of all kinds.

End of conversation.

The real problem of the debate here is people's definitions of 8's and 9's. I think most of us fall into rating the girls we see relative to the universe of girls we have access to. Thus we grade on a curve of sorts. $$ changes that universe.

Post: #137

Money provides freedom and reduces anxiety. Believe it or not, this also creates confidence, because you're just not worried.

The real question is: what is the marginal benefit of banging an 8 or 9 over a 7, if no one on the internet can see who you banged? Based on what Distant Light writes, even 9's and 10's become just "normal" after repeated exposure. And then what?

Post: #138

(04-23-2015 02:22 PM)Fortis Wrote:  Is west coast the former rvfer who runs wsp?

I'm not sure if he runs it, but I'm almost certain he's a writer there.

Post: #139

Ah ok. If I recall correctly, there was this amazing thread where Mcqueen and West Coast (maybe) were going at it about the advantages of money or game. It was an interesting debate.

From what I recall, West Coast's point was that pussy is only worth about X dollars an hour and once you break that threshold in the monetary game that chasing pussy can actually be detrimental to your future assets. I didn't agree 100% but he had a good point. Is pussy worth $500 an hour? If you're pulling in $500 an hour doing what you're doing then pussy can see quite paltry in comparison, especially if your game is already at a point where you can pull at least 1 girl a month.

As I said, it was a really cool battle to see go down.

Post: #140

Just want to be clear, this wasn't meant to be a WSP flame thread.

They drop a lot of jewels over there.

This was obviously an interesting topic, and it has sparked a great debate here.

Post: #141

(04-20-2015 08:41 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 04:15 AM)jariel Wrote:  Wall Street Playboys has an interesting post on personal finance and how it relates to dating, the premise being that ultimately you need to make a certain amount of money to be able to spend a certain amount of money to consistently date more attractive women.

Here's some commentary from the conclusion of the post:

Quote:If you can spend 1.5x the median wage in your city (not save but spend on experiences) then you will have no problems dating in the 7 range. If you can get into the 5x median range and are in shape with solid social skills, you’re going to be sending girls into voice-mail consistently.

– For a 7: ~1.0-1.5x median wage ; For an 8: ~3-4.5x median wage; For a 9: 5.0x+ median wage

– If you cannot find a way to date attractive girls while spending 3x+ the median wage in your city, the problem is personal. You should be able to obtain dates easily by having better ideas, better venues (concerts, major events, private parties, charity events) and better logistics

Read the whole post.
There is something to what they claim, but most of it is bunk.

The biggest thing that sticks out to me is age factor. As many here will attest, it is somewhat easier to snag 7-10 girls that are younger. (17-20) Even easier with the appearance of money. Especially inter-racially. The older the woman, the more that money matters.

They also talk about dating. Not getting bangs. Dating, which usually implies keeping them to some degree. Whether you are keeping them in your stable or team of girls, a main girlfriend, STR/LTR, potential wife candidates, etc. All of those are much different than getting an off the record bang. Plenty dudes with solid game bang hot chicks they cannot keep for a litany of reasons. Lack of social circle or social/family lineage, wrong skin color or ethnicity, wrong educational background, wrong financial standing, not ideal height or looks, etc. Just because you can smash, does not mean you can keep. Lots of black guys have this problem with white girls, which leads to another point.

Black guys in America making 100K+ basically have much of the same dating limitations a tall and handsome black guy making 50K or less has. Making 150K+ is no different than 100K. This is SMV at work. Within dating black women, the richer brother can do much better and pull really hot black women if they can see your income on display somehow. The more educated they are, the better it works. Ghetto ones tend to associate wealth with bourgeois people and usually fuck up the opportunity somehow. Problem is a sista making 70K+ will usually shit test the hell out of you and may possibly piss you off before you date her enough to your own satisfaction (enough bangs, you wanted a LTR be she is too annoying, etc.) Trying to avoid displaying your value is a double edge sword and many of any ethnicity will drop you into an ordinary nigga bucket very quickly. Wearing a 20K Breitling watch while wearing sweatpants and a tshirt, may intrigue a certain white girl or a sharp black woman for all the wrong reasons too. The black woman will be looking to lock you down hardcore if she is smart enough to know better.

Being black with money offers no real shortcuts. Game is a must. Buying bottles at a club makes you no different than the wannabe rappers that are selling dope, wearing ice, and fronting like they really have legit money. Driving around flossing with a new Benz, BMW, and fast sports cars, might get you robbed or unwanted attention. Women that you really want that see your car will not give you much attention unless you can somehow get parked and catch them off guard inside a building or something similar, before they forget your face. This is harder to pull off than talking about it.

Being known for having alot of money inside a large black social circle is a big detriment. You will be getting stuck with the liquor tabs and getting friendzone by bitches looking for free shit when you all go out, before you can even make decent approaches. They may even attribute you as a dork or nerd behind your back, if you make your money off IT or Finance. A sales dude with mad bank usually has enough mouthpiece to get away with alot of shit, and usually tends to be taller like most sales people. They are also used to being turned down too which is strong game fundamentals. Dressing like a rapper or wearing flashy icy watches, earrings, etc. can get you 7+ gals with asses and probably the ghetto personality to match, but are we talking about dating or smashing? A more subtle low key good gal with education, may dismiss you quickly for that thinking you are a thug wannabe or a dope boy.

For women outside black women, the proper way to leverage your money is to match your bankroll with educational pedigree, excellent presence, speak multiple languages, and work the hell out of social circle game (work/professional and collegiate). Either that or prey on endless supplies of 5-6 yuppie-liberal/emo goth women in places like SF, Seattle, Portland, Austin, etc. For a bunch of reasons hardcore feminists like successful black men. I dated a few before I became redpill without really trying, and one had chased me down. Lot of work eh? Even when you catch some nice birds, they will bust your balls enough to make you dump them after a while.

White dudes with money have more options I think, but I think it also depends upon where they live and how they display that. Country dudes with alot of land and cattle/livestock, driving around in a 60K+ 4X4 truck are a dead giveaway. They are not fooling anyone except ignorant city folk. Guys with large fishing boats are not fooling anyone either just because they tow it with a F-150 instead of a Range Rover. They cannot downplay what they have easily either. Former military guys, get chased because women know they have no debts, college or otherwise, and tend to have plenty cash in a Credit Union account somewhere. Not having any direct combat experience is a plus because they know you won't have PTSD, although some will like the tough guy that pulled some tours in Fallujah that runs his own HVAC or mechanic business.

I am starting to think that while black rappers talk alot about gold-diggers, I think white guys with money have it much worse than any black guy or rapper. Some of these women are so well trained by their mothers to go to college ride the carousel hard, drink, and party hard, then lock down a beta that has money. They can spot a high earner from a mile away. They are like secret agents going super deep undercover. They talk innocent as fuck and put on excellent dating masks, black, Asian, or Latino women cannot reproduce. They cheat before and even after a wedding. Divorcing after a few kids (to nail down the lock) and will initiate the divorce to the husband's surprise, talking about they are not happy anymore. Your average white guy in the Manosphere is super afraid and averse to any marriage. While you average minority is not scared, but just mostly picky or cautious.

These divorce raping white women have many white guys on edge and many go well out of their way to downplay their wealth or give women the idea they are a gullible beta that will pay for them, knowing damn well they are just pumping and dumping this chick. Don't believe me? Start keeping score on comments in RVF and other popular Manosphere sites on anti-marriage comments.

Anyway, the Wallstreet playboys, obviously regard money differently than men with more complete game. We would stack the money they make to be location independent for the rest of our lives. That and date on the cheap, running slick kinds of baller game because we want to minimize cost and maximize returns. RVFers are min-max assholes because we know better. These guys are mostly lazy and just want shortcuts. As long as they are not wife hunting like this, it really doesn't matter in the end, they still get the same results we get more or less.

This post has some great points.

I'd like to iterate a simple point we have as a country saying "you can't hide money".

I am self employed and what most would consider well off. I drive a expensive vehicle, have expensive toys, and I work a lot. My own mother advised me to not buy a expensive house due to the fact I would just further spur on women only looking in their own self interest, but I called her out and said that is all of them with a smile. At a certain point you cannot down play how well off you are, it just shows without saying anything. What do you do to avoid inviting them over to you house, looking it up on zillow, or them peaking into your garage? I can tell them my watches are fake, but not the house etc. The only way I truly see how to do that is to avoid enjoying the fruits of ones labor. I am not good in regards to social validation as I have a huge case of dontgiveafuckitis.

Post: #142

(04-25-2015 12:21 PM)blackerthanblack Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 08:41 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 04:15 AM)jariel Wrote:  Wall Street Playboys has an interesting post on personal finance and how it relates to dating, the premise being that ultimately you need to make a certain amount of money to be able to spend a certain amount of money to consistently date more attractive women.

Here's some commentary from the conclusion of the post:

Quote:If you can spend 1.5x the median wage in your city (not save but spend on experiences) then you will have no problems dating in the 7 range. If you can get into the 5x median range and are in shape with solid social skills, you’re going to be sending girls into voice-mail consistently.

– For a 7: ~1.0-1.5x median wage ; For an 8: ~3-4.5x median wage; For a 9: 5.0x+ median wage

– If you cannot find a way to date attractive girls while spending 3x+ the median wage in your city, the problem is personal. You should be able to obtain dates easily by having better ideas, better venues (concerts, major events, private parties, charity events) and better logistics

Read the whole post.
There is something to what they claim, but most of it is bunk.

The biggest thing that sticks out to me is age factor. As many here will attest, it is somewhat easier to snag 7-10 girls that are younger. (17-20) Even easier with the appearance of money. Especially inter-racially. The older the woman, the more that money matters.

They also talk about dating. Not getting bangs. Dating, which usually implies keeping them to some degree. Whether you are keeping them in your stable or team of girls, a main girlfriend, STR/LTR, potential wife candidates, etc. All of those are much different than getting an off the record bang. Plenty dudes with solid game bang hot chicks they cannot keep for a litany of reasons. Lack of social circle or social/family lineage, wrong skin color or ethnicity, wrong educational background, wrong financial standing, not ideal height or looks, etc. Just because you can smash, does not mean you can keep. Lots of black guys have this problem with white girls, which leads to another point.

Black guys in America making 100K+ basically have much of the same dating limitations a tall and handsome black guy making 50K or less has. Making 150K+ is no different than 100K. This is SMV at work. Within dating black women, the richer brother can do much better and pull really hot black women if they can see your income on display somehow. The more educated they are, the better it works. Ghetto ones tend to associate wealth with bourgeois people and usually fuck up the opportunity somehow. Problem is a sista making 70K+ will usually shit test the hell out of you and may possibly piss you off before you date her enough to your own satisfaction (enough bangs, you wanted a LTR be she is too annoying, etc.) Trying to avoid displaying your value is a double edge sword and many of any ethnicity will drop you into an ordinary nigga bucket very quickly. Wearing a 20K Breitling watch while wearing sweatpants and a tshirt, may intrigue a certain white girl or a sharp black woman for all the wrong reasons too. The black woman will be looking to lock you down hardcore if she is smart enough to know better.

Being black with money offers no real shortcuts. Game is a must. Buying bottles at a club makes you no different than the wannabe rappers that are selling dope, wearing ice, and fronting like they really have legit money. Driving around flossing with a new Benz, BMW, and fast sports cars, might get you robbed or unwanted attention. Women that you really want that see your car will not give you much attention unless you can somehow get parked and catch them off guard inside a building or something similar, before they forget your face. This is harder to pull off than talking about it.

Being known for having alot of money inside a large black social circle is a big detriment. You will be getting stuck with the liquor tabs and getting friendzone by bitches looking for free shit when you all go out, before you can even make decent approaches. They may even attribute you as a dork or nerd behind your back, if you make your money off IT or Finance. A sales dude with mad bank usually has enough mouthpiece to get away with alot of shit, and usually tends to be taller like most sales people. They are also used to being turned down too which is strong game fundamentals. Dressing like a rapper or wearing flashy icy watches, earrings, etc. can get you 7+ gals with asses and probably the ghetto personality to match, but are we talking about dating or smashing? A more subtle low key good gal with education, may dismiss you quickly for that thinking you are a thug wannabe or a dope boy.

For women outside black women, the proper way to leverage your money is to match your bankroll with educational pedigree, excellent presence, speak multiple languages, and work the hell out of social circle game (work/professional and collegiate). Either that or prey on endless supplies of 5-6 yuppie-liberal/emo goth women in places like SF, Seattle, Portland, Austin, etc. For a bunch of reasons hardcore feminists like successful black men. I dated a few before I became redpill without really trying, and one had chased me down. Lot of work eh? Even when you catch some nice birds, they will bust your balls enough to make you dump them after a while.

White dudes with money have more options I think, but I think it also depends upon where they live and how they display that. Country dudes with alot of land and cattle/livestock, driving around in a 60K+ 4X4 truck are a dead giveaway. They are not fooling anyone except ignorant city folk. Guys with large fishing boats are not fooling anyone either just because they tow it with a F-150 instead of a Range Rover. They cannot downplay what they have easily either. Former military guys, get chased because women know they have no debts, college or otherwise, and tend to have plenty cash in a Credit Union account somewhere. Not having any direct combat experience is a plus because they know you won't have PTSD, although some will like the tough guy that pulled some tours in Fallujah that runs his own HVAC or mechanic business.

I am starting to think that while black rappers talk alot about gold-diggers, I think white guys with money have it much worse than any black guy or rapper. Some of these women are so well trained by their mothers to go to college ride the carousel hard, drink, and party hard, then lock down a beta that has money. They can spot a high earner from a mile away. They are like secret agents going super deep undercover. They talk innocent as fuck and put on excellent dating masks, black, Asian, or Latino women cannot reproduce. They cheat before and even after a wedding. Divorcing after a few kids (to nail down the lock) and will initiate the divorce to the husband's surprise, talking about they are not happy anymore. Your average white guy in the Manosphere is super afraid and averse to any marriage. While you average minority is not scared, but just mostly picky or cautious.

These divorce raping white women have many white guys on edge and many go well out of their way to downplay their wealth or give women the idea they are a gullible beta that will pay for them, knowing damn well they are just pumping and dumping this chick. Don't believe me? Start keeping score on comments in RVF and other popular Manosphere sites on anti-marriage comments.

Anyway, the Wallstreet playboys, obviously regard money differently than men with more complete game. We would stack the money they make to be location independent for the rest of our lives. That and date on the cheap, running slick kinds of baller game because we want to minimize cost and maximize returns. RVFers are min-max assholes because we know better. These guys are mostly lazy and just want shortcuts. As long as they are not wife hunting like this, it really doesn't matter in the end, they still get the same results we get more or less.

This post has some great points.

I'd like to iterate a simple point we have as a country saying "you can't hide money".

I am self employed and what most would consider well off. I drive a expensive vehicle, have expensive toys, and I work a lot. My own mother advised me to not buy a expensive house due to the fact I would just further spur on women only looking in their own self interest, but I called her out and said that is all of them with a smile. At a certain point you cannot down play how well off you are, it just shows without saying anything. What do you do to avoid inviting them over to you house, looking it up on zillow, or them peaking into your garage? I can tell them my watches are fake, but not the house etc. The only way I truly see how to do that is to avoid enjoying the fruits of ones labor. I am not good in regards to social validation as I have a huge case of dontgiveafuckitis.

Exactly. That's why I never ever brought women back to my house when I was dating in the US. If they asked where I lived I gave the biggest region as the answer and then changed the subject.

Running game low key when you have money and nice cars is very doable. Targeting younger girls only, drive a regular pickup truck/SUV and keep the sports car/luxury whip in the garage back at the house, and drill/practice yourself on potential shit tests before you get the girls. Never park your cars outside the garage either. Some guys I know trade their trucks in every 1 to 2 years and get a different color. Will you fuck it up with a few 7+ girls? Yeah on occasion. Especially the ones that have a bombed out nasty apartment with roomates that refuses to go back to her nasty pad. If you can let some of your prospects get away because you don't give a fuck and are looking at shit from a big picture perspective, it will work out for you. If you are thirsty as hell, or never pass on any pussy offers, low key game won't work for you at all. A good reason to vet out these women like this is because it gives you enough time to vet them out and shit test them in reverse. If they are cool enough to take back to your pad later after several bangs and dates, it's not a big deal at all. Just never let anyone move in with you, otherwise you will ruin an otherwise stable roster member. Up until I stop dating American women, I never had any problems adhering to these rules.

I guaran-fucking-tee you had I taken that half German-Latina back to my house, she would have stalked me or rolled up on me. I bet she would have approached my now wife too. Even one crazy Chinese American chick might have popped up had I taken her back to my house back then. The whole bachelor pad bang spot thing is cool, don't get me wrong, but there is a diminishing return on that shit. The more money involved, the more you have to lose. Even if you live in a gated suburb with other 500K-1M+ homes, you don't need idiotic bitches showing up harassing the gate guard and embarrassing you with your neighbors. Think forward on the future, and what if you do settle down and old flames wanna come by for a visit? On some of this shit, you gotta think ahead a few years at least.

Sounds like you already have the formula, just try to aim for the highest quality women you can find, when you do see them to make up for the lack of easy notches you would defer due to what we discussed above. If you find that kind of strategy suffocating, do what all the other old-school players do and keep an apartment or small condo in a nice location away from your house. Not cost effective, but it still works.

Post: #143

(04-24-2015 12:07 PM)Menace Wrote:  Money provides freedom and reduces anxiety. Believe it or not, this also creates confidence, because you're just not worried.

True. The more money I make, the less I worry about it and more I can focus on enjoying my life. I actually don't spend much in terms of dating(drinks / dinner / experiences) or hitting up bars/clubs as when I made less cash. More of it goes into savings, my lifestyle, and travel. I'm a happier person for not worrying about money and it feeds into my vibe/confidence. My game is better and I've pulled more quality in the past few years, spending less. For the most part my dates consist of drinks at a low to mid-level priced bar close to my pad

But I've got some good examples where I spend a little more every once in awhile just to change it up. A few years ago a 22 year old Romanian, legit 8, that I met in Bucharest was in Ohio for work/study for a summer. I knew she didn't make much, and I didn't feel like going to Cedar Falls, so I flew her out for Memorial day weekend here in NYC. $200 roundtrip and I did most of the spending taking her out(beta?). Nothing more than a $50 meal, and for the most part it was casual stuff like tacos and happy hours. I fucked the shit out of her all wknd.

Another time I really felt like hitting up a high end Japanese spot called Yopparai but none of my crew wanted to drop cash on it. So on a first date with a 23yr old Korean girl who I met at a MOMA PS1 museum party, I said fuck it and just took her to that spot. Had a fun time and great meal and went overboard on the Sake, dropped more than $250. Brought her back to the pad to show her my view of the city. Fucked her that night.

With or without money, your game gotta be tight. Money can make it easier but it money alone isn't always enough.

(04-24-2015 12:07 PM)Menace Wrote:  The real question is: what is the marginal benefit of banging an 8 or 9 over a 7, if no one on the internet can see who you banged? Based on what Distant Light writes, even 9's and 10's become just "normal" after repeated exposure. And then what?

Interesting question, Menace. First of all there are no 10s. No woman is perfect. But that is another topic.

The marginal benefit of banging an 8 or 9 or a 7 is that I enjoy sex more, nut harder, and have a higher sense of pride/accomplishment in my game, all other things in the girl(like personality / intelligence / how feminine and nice they are) being equal.

No one on the internet can see who I bang, other than RVF men that I roll with on the regular. More importantly, I can see who I banged.

I bang the occasional 8 every once in awhile, but have never pulled a 9. It is fun for me to keep trying to step it up and get my game tighter.

Post: #144

(04-25-2015 07:14 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 12:07 PM)Menace Wrote:  Money provides freedom and reduces anxiety. Believe it or not, this also creates confidence, because you're just not worried.

True. The more money I make, the less I worry about it and more I can focus on enjoying my life. I actually don't spend much in terms of dating(drinks / dinner / experiences) or hitting up bars/clubs as when I made less cash. More of it goes into savings, my lifestyle, and travel. I'm a happier person for not worrying about money and it feeds into my vibe/confidence. My game is better and I've pulled more quality in the past few years, spending less. For the most part my dates consist of drinks at a low to mid-level priced bar close to my pad

But I've got some good examples where I spend a little more every once in awhile just to change it up. A few years ago a 22 year old Romanian, legit 8, that I met in Bucharest was in Ohio for work/study for a summer. I knew she didn't make much, and I didn't feel like going to Cedar Falls, so I flew her out for Memorial day weekend here in NYC. $200 roundtrip and I did most of the spending taking her out(beta?). Nothing more than a $50 meal, and for the most part it was casual stuff like tacos and happy hours. I fucked the shit out of her all wknd.

Another time I really felt like hitting up a high end Japanese spot called Yopparai but none of my crew wanted to drop cash on it. So on a first date with a 23yr old Korean girl who I met at a MOMA PS1 museum party, I said fuck it and just took her to that spot. Had a fun time and great meal and went overboard on the Sake, dropped more than $250. Brought her back to the pad to show her my view of the city. Fucked her that night.

With or without money, your game gotta be tight. Money can make it easier but it money alone isn't always enough.

(04-24-2015 12:07 PM)Menace Wrote:  The real question is: what is the marginal benefit of banging an 8 or 9 over a 7, if no one on the internet can see who you banged? Based on what Distant Light writes, even 9's and 10's become just "normal" after repeated exposure. And then what?

Interesting question, Menace. First of all there are no 10s. No woman is perfect. But that is another topic.

The marginal benefit of banging an 8 or 9 or a 7 is that I enjoy sex more, nut harder, and have a higher sense of pride/accomplishment in my game, all other things in the girl(like personality / intelligence / how feminine and nice they are) being equal.

No one on the internet can see who I bang, other than RVF men that I roll with on the regular. More importantly, I can see who I banged.

I bang the occasional 8 every once in awhile, but have never pulled a 9. It is fun for me to keep trying to step it up and get my game tighter.

That's another topic when it comes to money...alpha/beta behavior...I never really understood. It seems to be more of an ego thing.

There's being a wussy, and having no game or poor social skills
however spending money with girls you like is just called living a great lifestyle.

The only mistake you must never make is to use money to keep girls around
or think that Benjamins and can make up for a lack of personality/skills.

Alpha/Beta labels seem kind of cartoonish and limited when you
consider there's so much complexity and variety to being a great guy
that girls love.

Money is just one element that makes up your total "game". It should be fully integrated
into your total concept of game if you really want to maximize your opportunities.

Post: #145

My experience from being in the game for about 10 months now is that money does not help you get laid and can even hurt you. For example, I am over 40 and live in a CLEAN, small and minimalist one bedroom apartment. I have had over a dozen women here and not once have they had an issue with my place. In fact, because there are no distractions, sex becomes the preferred activity.

My wingman who overall has the best game of anyone I've ever met, is a very successful real estate broker. Unfortunately, he sometimes plays up his wealth. From what I've seen, this never helps him. In fact, it seems to set off bullshit alarms among more intelligent women.

A few weeks ago wingman and I hung out with 2 groupies. They were smoke shows, in their early 20s and the shallowest people I've ever met. They told us about all the semi-famous rock-stars, celebrities and surfers they hung out with. Wingman decided to try to impress them with his money. After a few hours they left us for some guys from some band I had never heard of. I don't think wingman's $ game caused them to leave but I did not help us. In fact I was getting much better vibe than him by being quiet and aloof. One of the girls continued to text wingman for the next few weeks trying to get him to take her to a concert and of course pay. We both agreed she was trying to use him and wasn't going to give him sex.

In spite of what social programing tells us, women who want your money usually don't want to have sex. A woman wants to have sex with you because you turn her on. Money doesn't get a pussy wet. Confidence, game and looks do.

Post: #146

Fish with chunks of meat and you will catch sharks.

Post: #147

(04-26-2015 11:52 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  My experience from being in the game for about 10 months now is that money does not help you get laid and can even hurt you. For example, I am over 40 and live in a CLEAN, small and minimalist one bedroom apartment. I have had over a dozen women here and not once have they had an issue with my place. In fact, because there are no distractions, sex becomes the preferred activity.

My wingman who overall has the best game of anyone I've ever met, is a very successful real estate broker. Unfortunately, he sometimes plays up his wealth. From what I've seen, this never helps him. In fact, it seems to set off bullshit alarms among more intelligent women.

A few weeks ago wingman and I hung out with 2 groupies. They were smoke shows, in their early 20s and the shallowest people I've ever met. They told us about all the semi-famous rock-stars, celebrities and surfers they hung out with. Wingman decided to try to impress them with his money. After a few hours they left us for some guys from some band I had never heard of. I don't think wingman's $ game caused them to leave but I did not help us. In fact I was getting much better vibe than him by being quiet and aloof. One of the girls continued to text wingman for the next few weeks trying to get him to take her to a concert and of course pay. We both agreed she was trying to use him and wasn't going to give him sex.

In spite of what social programing tells us, women who want your money usually don't want to have sex. A woman wants to have sex with you because you turn her on. Money doesn't get a pussy wet. Confidence, game and looks do.

Exactly, if a girl smells BB she will dry up. Your friend even accidentally mentioning money hurt his chances. The earlier poster mentioned not letting women see where you live. I have the same rule for the same reason. It creates drama when things end and it's doesn't help getting laid.

Using money to improve yourself and enjoy your life...awesome. Using money to attract women...only works well on IG whores/gold diggers. This is from someone older, you younger guys will have better luck.

Post: #148

(04-22-2015 06:12 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 11:15 AM)Blackwell Wrote:  Where can I find the Distant Light interview?

I must of missed it and I really like a lot of his posts.

Momalicious Youtube page....featuring yours truly.

Link? Can’t find this via forum search or google search.

Post: #149

(04-26-2015 06:59 PM)nmmoooreland20 Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 06:12 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 11:15 AM)Blackwell Wrote:  Where can I find the Distant Light interview?

I must of missed it and I really like a lot of his posts.

Momalicious Youtube page....featuring yours truly.

Link? Can’t find this via forum search or google search.

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Post: #150

Money doesn't help a man get laid?

That sounds like an absolute statement to me. It's like saying muscles don't help a man get laid, or good looks don't help a man get laid. Well those things all help a man get laid.

Money helps me get laid, with hotter girls, because money buys me access to places with higher levels of talent. It lets me focus on enjoying life, gives me the time to pursue hobbies, training, and gaming well, instead of worrying about how I'm going to afford my next meal. Money puts a roof over my head, where I bring girls back to bang, instead of having to fuck them in a bathroom or in car.

I've got a crew of wings all in the >50 notch count with good talent, all of whom make decent money of over 100k, some over 300k. They don't talk about money but they certainly use it as one of many tools in their game arsenal.

Lets say game is the same on both sides of the equation below, i.e. a man doesn't use money as a "crutch" and doesn't let money fuck up his game.

Then [Money + game]>= game

Can someone tell me WHY a woman would rather fuck a man with game and no money, instead of a man with equal game ability and some money?

I'm not saying money is the most important element in getting laid. I'm just pointing out that money CAN help a man get laid. It can hurt too. But not having any is gonna hurt even more when it comes to getting laid unless your game is really tight.

(04-26-2015 11:52 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  My experience from being in the game for about 10 months now is that money does not help you get laid and can even hurt you. For example, I am over 40 and live in a CLEAN, small and minimalist one bedroom apartment. I have had over a dozen women here and not once have they had an issue with my place. In fact, because there are no distractions, sex becomes the preferred activity.

My wingman who overall has the best game of anyone I've ever met, is a very successful real estate broker. Unfortunately, he sometimes plays up his wealth. From what I've seen, this never helps him. In fact, it seems to set off bullshit alarms among more intelligent women.

A few weeks ago wingman and I hung out with 2 groupies. They were smoke shows, in their early 20s and the shallowest people I've ever met. They told us about all the semi-famous rock-stars, celebrities and surfers they hung out with. Wingman decided to try to impress them with his money. After a few hours they left us for some guys from some band I had never heard of. I don't think wingman's $ game caused them to leave but I did not help us. In fact I was getting much better vibe than him by being quiet and aloof. One of the girls continued to text wingman for the next few weeks trying to get him to take her to a concert and of course pay. We both agreed she was trying to use him and wasn't going to give him sex.

In spite of what social programing tells us, women who want your money usually don't want to have sex. A woman wants to have sex with you because you turn her on. Money doesn't get a pussy wet. Confidence, game and looks do.