Post: #26

(03-22-2015 06:54 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

(03-22-2015 04:16 AM)N°6 Wrote:  ^Yes I think the reason why men send messages to women more attractive to them is because AA does not exist and there is little investment in the process and the rejection is remote and painless. The longer a man uses an online dating resource, the greater the likelihood that he will settle for a woman who is SMV -2 relative to him. There are many ways to off-set the -2 and it seems dating older women is one of them.

I agree about this -2 SMV off-set in the West. I have seen this time and time again.

Tinder, along with other forms of social media, are best understood as hypergamy enablers. Remember the "80-20 rule" which asserted that 20% of the men commanded the interest of 80% of the women? Well, technology such as the Tinder app is on course to shift that figure in the direction of 95-5 and, in due course, perhaps to an even more extreme ratio. ...

I don't see any obvious solution to this development other than to go foreign, even though the penetration of the smartphone into countries such as Poland, Slovakia, Ukraine, et.c., is also reported to be well underway there. But I suspect that there are also cultural factors which might act as headwinds to female entitlement in those countries and hold in check some of the more obnoxious traits of the typical western female, i.e., their narcissism, shitty snarky personality and general disdain for men. Time will tell.

Poland is getting tougher - also partly due to all the thirsty foreigners traveling to the cities often and trying to bang the girls. In the smaller towns it's much easier to get the bang due to the fact that the gender-ratios are not crazy.

Keep in mind that this statistic is not even complete - the real one is even worse:

   

And no - it does not get better with the 18-25, although there are less single mothers there and not being employed does not matter. The entire male/female ratio of 122/100 includes all rural towns and does not account for the huge number of illegal or legal immigrants, that are often excluded from the statistics. The government knows that most men would be pissed off just the same as some would be furious to find out that real unemployment is over 12% and inflation is manipulated by fake gimmicks like added features to a TV being counted as a price decrease.

I bet that practically all of you going to EE where the gender ratios are sane would realize the raw deal he is getting. And I don't mean just running Game on a weekend next to all the other foreigners - just live here and see all the ample opportunity you have.

Also with all that "marriageable" crowd you would have to deduct the obese and overweight females which impact their sexual market value by far greater than males. A lot less of them around in EE/FSU or Asia.

Post: #27

I have a problem with this thread title.
If the woman was never attractive in the first place, how could she have hit the wall?

And IMO,
Lying fat fatty is a fat fatty liar.

Post: #28

(03-22-2015 07:16 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Poland is getting tougher - also partly due to all the thirsty foreigners traveling to the cities often and trying to bang the girls. In the smaller towns it's much easier to get the bang due to the fact that the gender-ratios are not crazy.

Keep in mind that this statistic is not even complete - the real one is even worse:



And no - it does not get better with the 18-25, although there are less single mothers there and not being employed does not matter. The entire male/female ratio of 122/100 includes all rural towns and does not account for the huge number of illegal or legal immigrants, that are often excluded from the statistics. The government knows that most men would be pissed off just the same as some would be furious to find out that real unemployment is over 12% and inflation is manipulated by fake gimmicks like added features to a TV being counted as a price decrease.

I bet that practically all of you going to EE where the gender ratios are sane would realize the raw deal he is getting. And I don't mean just running Game on a weekend next to all the other foreigners - just live here and see all the ample opportunity you have.

Also with all that "marriageable" crowd you would have to deduct the obese and overweight females which impact their sexual market value by far greater than males. A lot less of them around in EE/FSU or Asia.

I've asked this on another thread but never got a clear answer. I don't understand how these heavily skewed ratios exist. Biologically there are around 1.05 male births for each female. But we tend to die off quicker or kill ourselves more so by the 40s we're at parity. In addition, in the US there are between 2-3 million men in prison which takes them mostly out of the dating pool. Beyond this because of our Y chromosome men are much more likely have have birth defects or to have very low IQs. It just seems that this would tend to take more men out of the dating pool.

In the graph above it seems to be looking at employed people not living with kids. That would change the ratio because women are more likely to not be working or living with kids they are related to (nieces, cousins).

I agree that obesity, bad attitudes, girls hooking up via tinder, etc leave a very small group of women we would be interested in. The real detriment is that girls in the 18-28 group are hit on by guys from 18-60. But this is biology working again.

Post: #29

(03-22-2015 12:49 PM)Gringuito Wrote:  I've asked this on another thread but never got a clear answer. I don't understand how these heavily skewed ratios exist. Biologically there are around 1.05 male births for each female. But we tend to die off quicker or kill ourselves more so by the 40s we're at parity. In addition, in the US there are between 2-3 million men in prison which takes them mostly out of the dating pool. Beyond this because of our Y chromosome men are much more likely have have birth defects or to have very low IQs. It just seems that this would tend to take more men out of the dating pool.

In the graph above it seems to be looking at employed people not living with kids. That would change the ratio because women are more likely to not be working or living with kids they are related to (nieces, cousins).

I agree that obesity, bad attitudes, girls hooking up via tinder, etc leave a very small group of women we would be interested in. The real detriment is that girls in the 18-28 group are hit on by guys from 18-60. But this is biology working again.

As far as I have found it's only based on immigration. This number is not even complete:

   

For example more than 2,5 mio. people have left Poland for the UK and other EU countries since 2006. Only a small part is officially reported in the UK statistics (500.000) since many are still nominally living in Poland (albeit many on paper) - and have not filed any permanent moves. Many immigrants are male.

You are right that everywhere only 6% more males are born and that equals out with more of us dying, being imprisoned etc. Naturally every country should balance out around our early 20s at the latest - just as it happens in EE, FSU and many Asian countries. Belarus, Russia & Ukraine has even a lack of eligible men, so that girls actually have to compete in their 20s for a decent man. Actually based on my experiences in China even there men have it easier except for the very poor, but they cannot afford to marry anyway - those that have cash usually have no problem getting wives.

Western countries are far worse except those with severely restricted immigration like Japan - there the gender ratio is still fine and similar to the 1970s in the US. If you add to it the obesity epidemic, then the US is likely the worst country for a non-high-value man (who does not excel in some field to attract women more or less easily).

I am certain that one could fund a small study and find plenty of statistical data that confirms my statements, but alas it would not be surprising really. Individual and combined knowledge of Game-aware men around the world tell a clear story already.

Post: #30

Steve is probably the king of thread titles. They either feature beautiful, Shakespearean alliteration, or wonderful rhymes that make me cackle at work. Thanks dawg.

Post: #31

(03-20-2015 08:28 PM)SteveMcMahon Wrote:  
Only young George Clooney lookalikes need apply

Fitzy?!

Post: #32

(03-22-2015 12:49 PM)Gringuito Wrote:  I've asked this on another thread but never got a clear answer. I don't understand how these heavily skewed ratios exist. Biologically there are around 1.05 male births for each female. But we tend to die off quicker or kill ourselves more so by the 40s we're at parity. In addition, in the US there are between 2-3 million men in prison which takes them mostly out of the dating pool. Beyond this because of our Y chromosome men are much more likely have have birth defects or to have very low IQs. It just seems that this would tend to take more men out of the dating pool.

In the graph above it seems to be looking at employed people not living with kids. That would change the ratio because women are more likely to not be working or living with kids they are related to (nieces, cousins).

I agree that obesity, bad attitudes, girls hooking up via tinder, etc leave a very small group of women we would be interested in. The real detriment is that girls in the 18-28 group are hit on by guys from 18-60. But this is biology working again.

This is the sex male:female ratio - males per 100 females in China, where 1980 was where their "One Child" policy took effect. Notice how its initially almost exactly at that 105 mark which you just said yourself.


Around 2004, Chinese men of marriageable age started to go elsewhere out of the country, going to NA, SouthAmerica, Europe, India, even Africa to find brides.

Given China has one of the biggest populations in the world, the One-Child policy has implications that even come to the United States.



With all this being said, this is just ONE factor that has an effect on the gender balance you see around yourself, whether you're in China, America, UK, Aus, or elsewhere. There are certainly others at play. The 105 males per 100 female figure also does have a small, but noticeable effect. Men are more visible in the meat market in more ways than one - they go out more, they're larger in body size, they're more desperate for sex than women. This does nothing to ameliorate the feeling that there are only men around you whenever you go out.



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....Now real data aside, I'm a red pill conspiracy theorist as well. I honestly believe the birth male:female ratio, sans external policies like the above, is far higher than they'd like us to believe.

There is definitely an "extraneous male" problem which I fear the 'elites' are aware of and have plans to fix in the near future.