Post: #76

(03-17-2015 07:46 PM)Fortis Wrote:  It strikes me as a case of unrestrained savagery looking for an outlet that happened to be white this time.

And yes, Medic, I meant northern suburban whites, not southern types who are often a bit rougher than their northern counterparts.

It's very possible race wasn't factor at all. I definitely wouldn't be surprised if she'd behaved similarly with black women before either but, I think the possibility there was racial motivation should be investigated. Let's be real if the races were reversed the possibility would definitely be investigated.

LOL in my experience white Southern/Redneck women are rougher than most Northern white men...

Post: #77

That's true. I am all for an investigation into whether there was racial motivation.

Dat picture.

Post: #78

I just want to make a quick point to anyone else who gets sensitive about race issues brought up on the forum or this thread, which has been kept open for now but may not survive long. Avid seemed like a troll but he also may have just been worked up about an issue he takes personal.

There's nothing wrong with having a different opinion with something that comes up, but take a look at how Avid dealt with that (/thread-45994-...#pid981225) versus how Sp5 dealt with that (/thread-45994-...id981391).

There are even posters here, like myself, who do feel the attack on the white girl was racially motivated (I admit I could stand to learn more about this incident) but still gave Sp5 props on his post because he made some good points.

That's what intellectual discourse is made of. There are clearly differing opinions regarding the nature of racism in America, but having a meltdown does not foster healthy discourse and understanding.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #79

BB, agreed and one of the things I like about this forum is the ability to actually intellectually discuss topics that are verboten in general discourse.

Post: #80

BB good stuff. I do enjoy that I can disagree with people on this forum and discuss it rather than cut them down or be cut down by them. I feel no hostility towards medic or anyone else who thinks this may have been racial.

Post: #81

(03-17-2015 08:16 PM)Fortis Wrote:  BB good stuff. I do enjoy that I can disagree with people on this forum and discuss it rather than cut them down or be cut down by them. I feel no hostility towards medic or anyone else who thinks this may have been racial.

As you have aptly put this is about a bunch of young feral kids who take any reason as grounds to bully someone else - with girls it can be lighter skin, better hair, prettier face, better figure, better language and yes a different race - even if the attacking girl knew that she had a black baby brother and a black step-daddy. Kids react that way pouncing on other kids who are a bit different - and a white girl is going to stick out there and be the perfect victim.

The racism word is way too readily abused by the media and the social justice warriors who claim racial motivations on all possible topics. I for one don't even give a shit if that girl has some irrational grudge against white people. It did not look like, but hey - who cares. She has started her prison career already and there may be some repercussions for the girl recording that stuff too.

Post: #82

Question about this whole thing.

If Obama was NOT president and had NOT been elected, would this have happened?

Would this kind of thing, which has been happening with such regularity, not be happening in our country?

Post: #83

(03-17-2015 08:38 PM)robreke Wrote:  Question about this whole thing.

If Obama was NOT president and had NOT been elected, would this have happened?

Would this kind of thing, which has been happening with such regularity, not be happening in our country?

Post: #84

(03-17-2015 08:38 PM)robreke Wrote:  Question about this whole thing.

If Obama was NOT president and had NOT been elected, would this have happened?

Would this kind of thing, which has been happening with such regularity, not be happening in our country?

It absolutely would have. Like SP5 said this kind of thing isn't new. In the areas I've lived most of my life it wouldn't happen because there simply aren't enough minorities to gang up on whites without facing serious retaliation for doing it. However I've worked in cities with large minority populations and it wasn't unusual there.

I had a partner that worked in a neighboring city who ran a white boy that got jumped, robbed, and gang raped when he tried to buy drugs in a neighborhood where whitey wasn't welcome. I don't think this type of thing is new but I definitely don't think hate crime laws are pursued against minorities when they would have been pursued against gringos.

That said I think Obama has been a pretty crappy president, Jimmy Carter part II if you ask me but, I can't see making the logical jump that him being president resulted in this.

Post: #85

(03-17-2015 08:38 PM)robreke Wrote:  Question about this whole thing.

If Obama was NOT president and had NOT been elected, would this have happened?

Would this kind of thing, which has been happening with such regularity, not be happening in our country?

Do you mean black on white violence, or just violence?

Post: #86

(03-17-2015 09:22 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 08:38 PM)robreke Wrote:  Question about this whole thing.

If Obama was NOT president and had NOT been elected, would this have happened?

Would this kind of thing, which has been happening with such regularity, not be happening in our country?

Do you mean black on white violence, or just violence?

I mean black on white. Obama with his subtle remarks and innuendos throughout the years has fostered, in my opinion, an undercurrent of the idea that there is still a lot of white people who are racist towards minorities. He seems to imply that justice, not necessarily violent justice, but social justice needs to be meted out. Examples would be him saying if he had a son Trayvon would look like that son, before even knowing the facts of the case.

There are multiple other instances throughout his administration of Obama dropping these innuendos and ideas of his.

Couple that with Atty General Holder leading a legal crusade against the police force of Ferguson, in spite of the fact that the overhwhelming majority of witnesses and evidence show that the police officer was justified in shooting Brown.

After all the momentum and outrage over the Brown shooting, Obama, Holder and Sharpton were going to have their "justice" with Ferguson, the facts and evidence be damned.

Like Obama's other statements, there are many other instances of Holder feeding this idea that there is an underlying if not prevalent state of minority repression in this country. I think minorities pick up on this and it could go toward fueling some feelings that they are justified in attacking non minorities either verbally or otherwise.

I think the vast majority of blacks and minorities are law abiding and respectful, but there are many impressionable young people who could pick up on the subtexts that this administration emanates and which percolates through the media to be absorbed by these, already frustrated, inner city young people. In the end, it results in rage or "racism" against whites. Just a theory.

Obama and Holder, through these tactics and utterances, which some would say are from the Saul Alinsky playbook, have divided the country for the worse.

This is the opposite of what everyone, 7 years ago, hoped that the first black president would do for the country.

Post: #87

Isn't Obama half white? Lol, My grandfather jokes that Obama is a white man wearing the flesh of a black man/

Honestly, even if this girl was racist and beat this white girl up for being white, she more than likely would still have kicked this girl's ass for fun without a racial prerogative. Listen to the audio of this video: it sounds like kids having fun if you just listen to it without watching it and knowing that they're preying on a lone girl and her brother. The attacker doesn't have a hint of hatred in her voice or anything; she's enjoying it like she's just playing a game of tag with some buddies. She is nutty as fuck and no president was going to stop her from being a nutcase.

Post: #88

Are you guys fucking kidding me dragging Obama into this? Are you guys such Obama haters that any bad thing a black person does ultimately traces back to Obama policies? A few years ago Rush Limbaugh set a precedent for shit shit by showed a clip of a black kid beating up a white kid on a bus and declaring that "this is Obama's America". What's next? Are we going to blame this attack on Obamacare? Guys this shit is pure demagoguery and it's gotten out of control.

I know in conservative circles they think Obama is the reincarnation of Malcolm X meets Karl Marx, but the reality is, while he is popular amongst blacks(and well pretty much everywhere on the planet except white Americans, Russians and Israelis), black people generally don't feel he has done much of anything during his term to address socioeconomic inequalities amongst races in any measurable way. He is most definitely NOT in our pocket. Black president or not, the power structure in this country is pretty much 100% white. Those that fund campaigns, lobbyists, shot callers, think tanks, policymakers. It's pretty much all whites that run America behind the scenes. Our half black president has confines he has to maneuver within and powerful people he has to answer to, like all presidents. And these are not black people. Black people basically have ZERO power in this country. I mean real power, not starting some fight on a playground. All those gleaming towers you see on the Manhattan skyline, that shit is not run by us. It's not black money lobbying the white house to get what it wants. It's not black think tanks writing our laws for us. The major wealth in this country isn't owned by us. So when I hear people talking like black people have taken over the damn country because of Obama I really have to wonder what reality they live in.

Post: #89

No shit obama doesnt care about black america, he isnt black and has never struggled a day in his life. He holds the same contempt for poor blacks as he does for poor whites

Post: #90

The girl is a loser who most likely grew up in a shitty environment / household and likely is acting in a way that is similar to those around her. I don't necessarily think jail is the answer. She needs not only counselling but to be moved to a new environment. The problem is when you put these people in jail they just meet more bad types. If she just keeps on going back to the environment shes currently in, she'll keep acting the same way..jail or not.

Obama has nothing to do with this. This has been going on forever. To be quite honest, the reverse situation is probably more common historically.

The girl obviously has serious issues.

Post: #91

I don't think that this girl should be charged with a hate crime, she should be charged with assault, just as anyone else who commits such a despicable crime, regardless of colour. In my opinion, hate crimes shouldn't exist, an assault is an assault and a murder is a murder,etc. To grant the state the authority to judge whether or not someone is committing a crime based on hate is a slippery slope, so what if this savage girl said "white girl" as she was laying her unwarranted smack down? If I get into a scrap with someone of another colour, I'm probably gonna say some racist shit too in the heat of the moment, if he's white, then I'll probably call him a faggot, should that also be a hate crime based on sexual orientation?

Post: #92

(03-17-2015 10:50 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Are you guys fucking kidding me dragging Obama into this? Are you guys such Obama haters that any bad thing a black person does ultimately traces back to Obama policies? A few years ago Rush Limbaugh set a precedent for shit shit by showed a clip of a black kid beating up a white kid on a bus and declaring that "this is Obama's America". What's next? Are we going to blame this attack on Obamacare? Guys this shit is pure demagoguery and it's gotten out of control.

I know in conservative circles they think Obama is the reincarnation of Malcolm X meets Karl Marx, but the reality is, while he is popular amongst blacks(and well pretty much everywhere on the planet except white Americans, Russians and Israelis), black people generally don't feel he has done much of anything during his term to address socioeconomic inequalities amongst races in any measurable way. He is most definitely NOT in our pocket. Black president or not, the power structure in this country is pretty much 100% white. Those that fund campaigns, lobbyists, shot callers, think tanks, policymakers. It's pretty much all whites that run America behind the scenes. Our half black president has confines he has to maneuver within and powerful people he has to answer to, like all presidents. And these are not black people. Black people basically have ZERO power in this country. I mean real power, not starting some fight on a playground. All those gleaming towers you see on the Manhattan skyline, that shit is not run by us. It's not black money lobbying the white house to get what it wants. It's not black think tanks writing our laws for us. The major wealth in this country isn't owned by us. So when I hear people talking like black people have taken over the damn country because of Obama I really have to wonder what reality they live in.

Ever since Obama started running for president, certain parts of right-wing media have pushed the idea of Blacks Behaving Badly. In particular, every schoolyard fight, every bus driver incident, every mugging on video with black perpetrators gets prominent position on The Drudge Report. Drudge sets the agenda for other media, like Fox. What he places gets repeated on right-wing blogs, message boards, Twitter, etc. As mentioned, Rush Limbaugh is also flogging this theme.

Drudge and Limbaugh explicitly link these incidents to "Obama's America," as if these things didn't happen before (in my experience, they happened more in Nixon's/Ford's/Carter's America). On Drudge right now, there are two items to stoke white Americans' racial resentment and fear:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/.../70302194/ - Headlined as "GOOGLE FUNDS CODE2040... 'Year population of minorities expected to overtake whites'..."

http://www.businessinsider.com/dick-chen...iew-2015-3 - Headlined as "Cheney Slams Obama In PLAYBOY Interview... President 'playing race card'..."

Drudge and Limbaugh are media agents of the Republican Party. The object is to promote a kind of tribal politics, get the old white ladies riled up and scared with tales of niggers gone wild in McDonalds, cheating on welfare, etc.

They pick local incidents (like the one in the OP) in a huge country of 320 million and make them national and linked to the opposition. The question to ask yourself is: How come I never see videos of Whites Behaving Badly linked on Drudge? We know whites do behave badly on occasion.

The base of the Republican party is rural, southern, suburban whites. The Republican media push a metanarrative of whites being besieged and threatened. As a redneck guy I knew in the Army put it back in 1977, "NATO" (Niggers Are Taking Over).

The Democrats and their media do the same thing. The most prominent recent example is the "War on Women" and the bullshit about the rape epidemic, Sandra Fluke, Sen. Gillibrand and Mattress Girl, etc. The rapists are going to take over if the Republicans win.

The worst example I can remember on the Democratic side is the Clinton/Gore administration raising fear and suspicion about church burnings in the year leading up to the 1996 election. Some black churches in the south and elsewhere had been burned. Maybe one was found to be racially motivated. When the rest of the burnings were investigated, it turned out that the churches were burned by pyromaniacs (pyromaniacs love churches - large wooden structures which are empty of people most of the time), disgruntled deacons, and things like electrical faults. But Clinton had press conferences, pushed the Attorney General out there to say she was "investigating," whipped up black leaders about it, tried to make it seem like the KKK was torching all of the black churches in the country. The story is summarized here: http://archive.wilsonquarterly.com/in-es...fires-time

These things are all about mobilizing your own voter base and creating a climate of us vs. them. Expect to see a lot of it in the next year and a half leading up to the 2016 election.

Part of escaping the Matrix is understanding the use of media to push metapolitical narratives which have no or only partial relationship to the broad reality.

Post: #93

(03-17-2015 11:05 PM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  No shit obama doesnt care about black america

Post: #94

(03-18-2015 02:13 AM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 11:05 PM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  No shit obama doesnt care about black america

I still remember that like it was yesterday





Mike Myers expression was priceless. He's standing there like "what the hell is going on."

Post: #95

It isnt because theyre black though, it is because theyre poor

Name one modern president who geniunely cared about poor people

I'll be waiting

Post: #96

(03-18-2015 02:19 AM)MidWest Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 02:13 AM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 11:05 PM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  No shit obama doesnt care about black america

I still remember that like it was yesterday





Mike Myers expression was priceless. He's standing there like "what the hell is going on."

In recent years he has said he was proud of kanye to do that and was glad to be there to see it at the time, although it floored him

It clearly did, his reaction is genuine

Post: #97

The real problem is the feral kids being created by the big brother govt. paying for women to have kids out of wedlock. And how this is growing and spreading across the country. And how the liberals want more of this because they can essentially buy votes by offering hand outs in exchange for women not having to deal with a "terrible" man making them be responsible or decent.

Aka, elites pushing more and more feminism, and the violent results.

I believe I had heard in 1960 the out of wedlock birthrate was around 20%. Today it is over 40% and in some communities it is over 70%. Not having fathers in the kid's lives and the women not having a man to guide them creates violent situations like this.

Post: #98

(03-18-2015 02:21 AM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 02:19 AM)MidWest Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 02:13 AM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 11:05 PM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  No shit obama doesnt care about black america

I still remember that like it was yesterday





Mike Myers expression was priceless. He's standing there like "what the hell is going on."

In recent years he has said he was proud of kanye to do that and was glad to be there to see it at the time, although it floored him

It clearly did, his reaction is genuine

Yeah even George Bush got mad at Kanye for it. It got to Bush too, so much so that he even came out and spoke about it. It clearly bothered him.

Post: #99

(03-18-2015 02:00 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 10:50 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Are you guys fucking kidding me dragging Obama into this? Are you guys such Obama haters that any bad thing a black person does ultimately traces back to Obama policies? A few years ago Rush Limbaugh set a precedent for shit shit by showed a clip of a black kid beating up a white kid on a bus and declaring that "this is Obama's America". What's next? Are we going to blame this attack on Obamacare? Guys this shit is pure demagoguery and it's gotten out of control.

I know in conservative circles they think Obama is the reincarnation of Malcolm X meets Karl Marx, but the reality is, while he is popular amongst blacks(and well pretty much everywhere on the planet except white Americans, Russians and Israelis), black people generally don't feel he has done much of anything during his term to address socioeconomic inequalities amongst races in any measurable way. He is most definitely NOT in our pocket. Black president or not, the power structure in this country is pretty much 100% white. Those that fund campaigns, lobbyists, shot callers, think tanks, policymakers. It's pretty much all whites that run America behind the scenes. Our half black president has confines he has to maneuver within and powerful people he has to answer to, like all presidents. And these are not black people. Black people basically have ZERO power in this country. I mean real power, not starting some fight on a playground. All those gleaming towers you see on the Manhattan skyline, that shit is not run by us. It's not black money lobbying the white house to get what it wants. It's not black think tanks writing our laws for us. The major wealth in this country isn't owned by us. So when I hear people talking like black people have taken over the damn country because of Obama I really have to wonder what reality they live in.

Ever since Obama started running for president, certain parts of right-wing media have pushed the idea of Blacks Behaving Badly. In particular, every schoolyard fight, every bus driver incident, every mugging on video with black perpetrators gets prominent position on The Drudge Report. Drudge sets the agenda for other media, like Fox. What he places gets repeated on right-wing blogs, message boards, Twitter, etc. As mentioned, Rush Limbaugh is also flogging this theme.

Drudge and Limbaugh explicitly link these incidents to "Obama's America," as if these things didn't happen before (in my experience, they happened more in Nixon's/Ford's/Carter's America). On Drudge right now, there are two items to stoke white Americans' racial resentment and fear:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/.../70302194/ - Headlined as "GOOGLE FUNDS CODE2040... 'Year population of minorities expected to overtake whites'..."

http://www.businessinsider.com/dick-chen...iew-2015-3 - Headlined as "Cheney Slams Obama In PLAYBOY Interview... President 'playing race card'..."

Drudge and Limbaugh are media agents of the Republican Party. The object is to promote a kind of tribal politics, get the old white ladies riled up and scared with tales of niggers gone wild in McDonalds, cheating on welfare, etc.

They pick local incidents (like the one in the OP) in a huge country of 320 million and make them national and linked to the opposition. The question to ask yourself is: How come I never see videos of Whites Behaving Badly linked on Drudge? We know whites do behave badly on occasion.

The base of the Republican party is rural, southern, suburban whites. The Republican media push a metanarrative of whites being besieged and threatened. As a redneck guy I knew in the Army put it back in 1977, "NATO" (Niggers Are Taking Over).

The Democrats and their media do the same thing. The most prominent recent example is the "War on Women" and the bullshit about the rape epidemic, Sandra Fluke, Sen. Gillibrand and Mattress Girl, etc. The rapists are going to take over if the Republicans win.

The worst example I can remember on the Democratic side is the Clinton/Gore administration raising fear and suspicion about church burnings in the year leading up to the 1996 election. Some black churches in the south and elsewhere had been burned. Maybe one was found to be racially motivated. When the rest of the burnings were investigated, it turned out that the churches were burned by pyromaniacs (pyromaniacs love churches - large wooden structures which are empty of people most of the time), disgruntled deacons, and things like electrical faults. But Clinton had press conferences, pushed the Attorney General out there to say she was "investigating," whipped up black leaders about it, tried to make it seem like the KKK was torching all of the black churches in the country. The story is summarized here: http://archive.wilsonquarterly.com/in-es...fires-time

These things are all about mobilizing your own voter base and creating a climate of us vs. them. Expect to see a lot of it in the next year and a half leading up to the 2016 election.

Part of escaping the Matrix is understanding the use of media to push metapolitical narratives which have no or only partial relationship to the broad reality.

Last lined emphasized for truth.

Post: #100

Don't fall for the divide here that they want to create: left against right, Christians vs. Atheists, black vs. white, men vs. women, richer vs. poorer (super-rich are untouchable by all changes), Democrats vs. Republicans.

We all have way more in common than it seems here. Those above are all false dichotomies and traps for the mind. We have to try and rise above this at least in areas like here.