Post: #1

I love Disney movies. The Lion King, Aladdin, The Fox and the Hound...I grew up on it. More recently, movies like Wall-E and Finding Nemo have taken over, and while they put out steaming piles of shit every now and then (Frozen, never saw it but heard it was awful), in my opinion Disney's animated movies are mostly great.

Disney just released a live-action Cinderella, and I went to see it with my girl last night--mostly because I knew it wouldn't be censored to hell and replace all of the spanking scenes with footage of Uncle Ho kissing babies and fighting dragons with a lightsaber.

We often say things here along the lines of "Girls think they are a fairy princess" like Cinderella, and that they are entitled to their prince charming despite being fat, psychotic, and mannish.

However, I think this comparison isn't accurate, in a sense that (at least in Cinderella's case) many of Disney's heroine's are NOT entitled whores, nor do their movies preach non-traditional sex roles. Of course, the princess theme has been misappropriated by many modern women to the point where we have the "princess complex," but this isn't always true.



Maybe I'm being naive and falling for obvious propaganda, but Cinderella can be summarized pretty simply. I don't remember watching the animated version years ago because I was too busy watching Scar get his ass kicked, but the new version necessarily draws out the backstory of the Cinderella fairytale so that you can actually have a feature-length film.

You have a curious young girl raised by a stable, loving father and mother. The father is a merchant and frequently away on business, and it is (Cinder)Ella's mother who teaches her the mantra "Be kind, and have courage." Not "be yourself, and don't let anyone change you." Not "go to college and get a great degree so you can have a stable life." Her mother thinks what is MOST important for a young girl is to be pleasant, to be agreeable. I know we preach that the most important thing a girl can do is make an effort to appear attractive, but I would argue that being pleasant and kind is equally as important.

Now, we know that Ella's dad is off making bank smuggling beaver pelts and opium from France or something like that, but through his frequent absence we see not a deadbeat dad like is so commonly portrayed in modern entertainment, but the focal point of Ella's childhood and young adulthood. Though her father is often gone for month's on end and she is raised mostly by her mother, her father is always the one whom Ella pines for, even after her mother's death. He is portrayed as the rock, the foundation of her upbringing, while her mother is rightfully in a supportive role.

So Ella's mom bites the dust, and her dad is interested in finding a new wife. Here we see the poison of the modern woman entering a stable home. Even without his wife, Mr. Ella's Dad has still remained a pillar of strength for her. He becomes what we might consider to be beta, and invites into his home a poisonous, narcissistic woman and her devil spawn. However, he is not a beta--he is a traditional man used to living with two traditional women. He views himself as a provider and moral compass, while his wife should be equally virtuous and kind. His failure to see that he was letting a trio of foxes into his henhouse serves as a warning to the traditional man--for, while there are truly blue pill men who have been pussified by all the trappings of our modern culture, and our forum stands as a bastion of neomasculine teachings, there still exist some truly traditional men--who do not want to provide for a woman because he his weak and damaged, but because he wants a relationship like that of his grandparents.

Despite the toxic environment created by Ella's new step-mom and step-sisters, her dad manages to keep the peace because he's, well, a man. Of course, pops ends up dying too--otherwise we'd have a sitcom and not a fairytale.

The materialism, narcissism, and sociopathy of our culture is on display from here on out. The step-sisters are the embodiment of the "Special Little Snowflake." They've grown up being told constantly that they're wonderful. There's a scene where one of them is singing and playing the piano (horribly) and the other is drawing a portrait (horribly). Ella's step-mother knows they are shit. But when Ella visibly cringes at the scene, the step-mother becomes offended that someone dare insult her darlings. She would rather shelter them from the truth than let the cruel world hurt their feelings, even if that means dragging down the honest and good people down with them. (Helicopter parents, fake outrage, the church of self, etc.)

The step-mother, however, is a bit different. She is the past-the-wall, truly delusional (and truly dangerous) woman caked in makeup that you make eye contact with at the grocery store, think for a second you'd like to bang, then see the glint of crazy in her eyes. She is full of envy and jealousy. She is the other type of modern woman--although not as mind-numbingly shallow and devoid of personality as her daughters, she is equally damaged because she truly feels hatred towards others. She is the feminist calling for accused rapists' cocks to be cut off. Her character (and that of the women she represents) is best summarized by the following exchange late in the movie, paraphrased:

Ella: Why are you so cruel?

Lindy West: Because you're kind. And young. And innocent.

That's it. She isn't having an epiphany. Her behavior is all premeditated. She later goes on to say:

"First, I married for love. And he was taken from me. Then, I married for the security of my daughters. And that was also taken from me. I will not have you ruin my chance at happiness."

At first, I thought the movie was trying to generate sympathy for the step-mother, but you can see with the last statement that while she believes she is acting for noble causes (love, her children) she is really utterly selfish and narcissistic. She is willing to destroy the life of a girl she was entrusted with, and reduced to the position of a slave for committing the sin of being kind and beautiful. AKA, feminism, as displayed in a cartoon dating back to the suffrage movement in the early 1900s, is about ugly, older women manipulating and dominating women and men in their prime. (This is later seen when the step-mom is telling Cinderella she can only go back to wed the prince if she agrees to make the step-mom queen-mother, effectively being active regent. She's like a slightly less-attractive Wormtongue.

Anyway, the movie turns into a miniature Game of Thrones reunion as Robb Stark (the prince) and his bestie Xaro Daxos come into play. Here, we get a much-needed booster shot of worthy men in the movie, as the prince values honesty, loyalty to family, and fairness. He has a dominant presence while remaining humble. And, though he seeks the advice and counsel of those around him, his decisions are ultimately his alone. He is his own man, but doesn't step on others to get what he wants.

At this point, we all know how the story goes. Helena Bonham Carter's spooky magic turns a bunch of animals and vegetables into a stagecoach after Cinderella's cunt step-mom rides off to the prince's ball without her (and rips her mom's old dress, because she can't bear to be reminded that she was always second-string to Ella and her dad).



Ella has a glitter explosion and becomes the center of attention as she enters the ball, yet remains humble throughout the entire event. She doesn't rub it in her step-sisters' faces. Her natural beauty is enhanced because of her personality, which can be only be learned through good parenting.

The clock strikes midnight, and we are treated to a chase scene that could have been filmed by Michael Bay if only there were more product placements. The prince has his asshole archduke ride around the realm looking for the owner of the glass slipper, and in a moment of satisfaction, we witness both an old woman and a fat hog rejected outright from trying on the shoe. Fuck yeah. Of course, the archduke is just going through the motions--he already made a deal with Ella's stepmom to save the realm from embarrassment, and Ella is locked away in the attic with her mice.

Just when it looks like Ella is going to be shit out of luck, we learn the the prince was riding with his entourage the whole time, and he heard Ella singing way up in the attic. He doesn't delegate when he needs something done--he does it himself. He realizes the danger in distancing yourself from your affairs, in that you lose power to those around you. Robert Greene would be proud.

One caveat: the final scene shows portraits of Ella's and the prince's parents, where the women are elevated slightly higher than the men. Think of that what you will, I never said this movie was a red pill must-see.

That was a little long-winded. In summary, I thought it was interesting at exploring the narrative that girls are being trained from a young age to grow up into entitled bitches. While Disney isn't some red pill production company, I'll admit that feminism seems to have co-opted an otherwise traditional--if outdated--view on family and love. At any rate, it's refreshing to see a charming and humble heroine when we're bombarded with strong, independent women who can do kung fu in heels and are just soooo sarcastic.


HA!

Post: #2

Well - that movie sounds more like they pulled they did not go full retard on their propaganda. However mainstream Hollywood as a whole and especially Disney have always been in the business of propaganda - it was just about the fact that they wanted to not completely alienate their viewership and did it gradually. Once in a while they may even put out a movie without much of propaganda embedded in it - this may be one of those movies judging from the comments:

Sounds as if one of us has written this:

Quote:Can the feminists stop reviewing this movie please?!
15 March 2015 | by lydialovric (Canada) – See all my reviews
Tired of seeing reviews bashing this film because the central character is not "feminist" enough. This is the story of Cinderella. And it was executed beautifully.

If you wish to create your own film about a politically-correct Cinderella, be my guest.

It can be about a young girl who attempts to prove her equality to men by sleeping with every other dude she meets in college.

She can meet a handsome and kind "prince" who she quickly dumps because he is "too nice."

Then she can continue to date a string of "bad boys" who treat her poorly and wonder why they keep cheating on her and breaking her heart.

Then, when she is 40, she will lament to her feminist friends that all the good guys are taken and her childbearing days are over.

But really Disney and the other Hollywood children cartoons are ramping up the propaganda big-time. It's essentially become unwatchable for children. I would not bring any children to watch that crap.

Examples:


Tinkerbell and the legend of the Neverbeast:


They a new more martial profession adding some kind of Gestapo Soldier Fairies equipped with sharp spears. Here they caught a little cute baby Hawk and tell the other fairies to go "they are going to deal with it". Even if you can defend it saying that they would not kill it - why the fuck do you have those Nazi-fairies threatening an animal with a deadly weapon? Does anyone not see that image burns into the minds of the target audience of 6 year old girls?

   

Then the shit continues - a strange furry beast appears called the Neverbeast:

   

The Nazi fairies believe it is dangerous and seek help at the only male fairy this time - they ditched any strong males altogether and there is only a fat guy and the geek left. The Omega geek even hits on the Nazi fairy in this scene. She does not even acknowledge his attempts to get some coffee together. This is how men are to be:

   

Keep in mind that the target audience of this shit are 4-10 year old girls. The women are all super-strong and the men are nothing. Even the soldiers are all female.

Now here the movie becomes really strange with the furry monster transforming into a Luciferian demon performing some kind of magic ritual. It turns out that he is some kind of immortal being rising every 1000 years, erecting strange artifacts, then growing horns and collecting lightning and thus saving their fairy world for another 1000 years. As with Malificient - what has been bad originally is now good and what was good is now bad - women are always good - demonic horns are now a sign of goodness and the desire to kill is good:

   

At that moment I was wondering when the obligatory blood ritual and killing of a main protagonist is going to happen despite the movie having little girls as a target audience. I was not disappointed since they killed the main fairy. But help was under way since the Luciferian little demon had still some juice in him and was capable to revive the fairy. Hail Lucifer!

   

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Other movies with great propaganda points:

Maleficient - as I mentioned before the evil witch is a demonic looking good witch that was just being driven by a man to do some minor evil. She is surrounded by a bunch of demons who are all good and the most evil are white ambitious men.

How to Train a Dragon 2 Right as they are reunited with their mother (who just up and left her family for a bunch of dragons years ago and was instantly accepted back by the main hero's good dad) - they killed the father without mercy and without helping the story in the least (his father was not leading the army - his son was anyway). It seems a common theme now with Disney is to kill off parents, siblings as to give children a clear message: "You are alone you little fucks. Parents and siblings die. Deal with it." I am absolutely certain that this kind of repeat message leaves a negative imprint on human beings.


Yeah - that cool and bear-like manly dad was slaughtered. 5 minutes later it was all forgotten - it's just dad. At least mom is back and the hero can continue to be guided by the only elite sanctioned family form: single mothers.

Big Hero 6 In the story 2 Japanese brothers live with their single mom who adopted them. (Again single motherhood as the greatest thing on Earth - she being shown as some kind of superwoman running a cafe and being super-competent and sweet). The brothers are both Millennial-like super-geniuses - millennial, because they can do genius level shit without any work. But that is beside the point - they kill off the cool brother just as they start working together:



The little boy goes on a rampage and tries to find the killer of his brother. He manages with some diversity-friendly help and the first thing he does is to try and kill the perpetrator. While this is understandable keep in mind the target of the movie - young boys.

As with How to Train a Dragon 2 Big Hero 6 is targeted at young boys up until the early teens. As with both movies they kill off all meaningful male role models, glorify single motherhood and even go Dark Triad with a main protagonist.

Disney cartoons are becoming unwatchable. If you want to show movies to your kids go Japanese anime - they are filled with less negative propaganda or almost none. It is dark times that we are going into and Hollywood is leading the way.

After I watch the Cinderella movie I will leave a comment, but it seems to be better than most as I see only feminists and copyright-fetishists complaining on IMDB, so it's a good thing. The feminists complain that Cinderella did not go apeshit on her mother and become a Strong Independent Psycho Woman. But Disney is not your friend - never was, but it is becoming more obvious now. Alas - only a few will realize that there is something wrong with the shit - most will just shrug and bring in their little darlings for mind control programming.

Post: #3

If Cinderella managed to retain that level of fidelity, I'd guess that's largely thanks to the director, Kenneth Branagh. A guy who cut his teeth directing and acting Shakespeare and is still content to make movies like Thor (one of the most masculine entries in the Marvel franchise, I might add, with Natalie Portman kicking not one arse and quietly accepting Thor's cup-smashing behaviour) might not exactly be full red pill, but neither does it seem he rolled over for the pussy.

Post: #4

Maybe Disney has two sets of writers. Admittedly I've never seen any of the movies you cited, but I believe what you say. I grew up on Robin Hood and The Lion King, so maybe that's where I get my lack of respect for authority from. Perhaps if I grew up on Big Hero 6, I'd be wearing a shirt that says "This Is What A Feminist Looks Like."

Paracelsus, it's funny you mention Thor because--and this will sound silly from a grown man who just went to watch Cinderella--I thought those movies were incredibly unmanly. ALL of those superhero movie trilogies work like this--Origin story, guy loses girl or she is stolen and he hits rock bottom, then whatever happens in the third movie is irrelevant because the writers ran out of juice and the plot doesn't make any sense. Here you have a literal god fall for an average-looking woman. At least Robb Stark kept his shirt on in Cinderella, much to the chagrin of feminists. Of course, she was totally oppressed because her glass SLIPPERS were actually HIGH HEELS. Fuck you, patriarchy.

Post: #5

(03-16-2015 08:54 AM)Sweet Pea Wrote:  Paracelsus, it's funny you mention Thor because--and this will sound silly from a grown man who just went to watch Cinderella--I thought those movies were incredibly unmanly. ALL of those superhero movie trilogies work like this--Origin story, guy loses girl or she is stolen and he hits rock bottom, then whatever happens in the third movie is irrelevant because the writers ran out of juice and the plot doesn't make any sense. Here you have a literal god fall for an average-looking woman.

Oh, I'm not setting the standard terribly high; I pick Thor mainly because it's one of the few movies where the girl doesn't get to save the hero as such and it's about as masculine as a Marvel film allows itself to get. Oneitis in the protagonist in this case I can excuse in favour of lines like this:

Thor: This drink. I like it. (SMASH) Another!
Jane: You could just ask.
Thor: I just did.

It's Hemsworth's smartarse grin that sells that scene. And the film plays harder than most current films on father-son relationships and the relationship between brothers, which I can appreciate. Fair point that all these movies are following the Hero Cycle because screenwriters don't know any other way to tell a protagonist's story in this universe, but then again most of the Marvel movies are ironically still playing on or echoing their parent comics' societal standards from the fifties and sixties, when society heavily encouraged men to fall for one woman and commit to her for life.

Quote:At least Robb Stark kept his shirt on in Cinderella, much to the chagrin of feminists.

I suspect he kept his shirt on because he had fucking plate armour on underneath, having learned a bit since the last time he had to turn up for a wedding

Post: #6

(03-16-2015 08:45 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Disney cartoons are becoming unwatchable. If you want to show movies to your kids go Japanese anime - they are filled with less negative propaganda or almost none. It is dark times that we are going into and Hollywood is leading the way.

Zelcorpion, a great deal of anime is very blue pill. I can't think of a better term for it, sorry. Some are even cringeworthy. Although, like you said, anime doesn't seem to have much propaganda. I will give some examples of each.

Example of a good anime would be:

Kiseijuu: Sei no Kakuritsu

This anime is mainly action, with some very minimal romance going on. The story is interesting and there is a good enough plot.

Now, a more 'common' -action- anime type is the kind that has the usual man beating, up skirt nonsense that ruins a good story ( or a good enough story).

An example is:
Zero no Tsukaima



This anime has a good enough plot. But the constant beating of the male protagonist leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I actually stopped watching a great deal of anime; the only one I follow is the former aforementioned example.


Trying to make the most out of my first post.

Post: #7

Relevant.

Post: #8

"If you watch Cinderella backwards, it's about a woman who learns her place." - A very wise man.

Post: #9

So I watched the movie Cinderella with a girl.

First the important points:

The lead actress has some really good boobs and figure. I liked her in Downton Abbey.

There was practically not much indoctrination in the movie indeed. Yeah - the reason is likely Kenneth, who has enough power in Hollywood to swat away all crappy ideas. This movie is a rare thing in our times. Don't get used to it - mostly it's just propaganda. At least this one can be watched by the entire family for a change.

Post: #10

Yeah I can't believe I forgot that. I've never seen that actress before (I don't watch many TV shows or movies) and she's a definite WI: Would Indicktrinate.

Post: #11

Isn't that first anime simply called Parasyte here?

Post: #12

Mildly amusing:

Post: #13

(03-16-2015 08:45 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Big Hero 6 In the story 2 Japanese brothers live with their single mom who adopted them. (Again single motherhood as the greatest thing on Earth - she being shown as some kind of superwoman running a cafe and being super-competent and sweet). The brothers are both Millennial-like super-geniuses - millennial, because they can do genius level shit without any work. But that is beside the point - they kill off the cool brother just as they start working together:

I disagree with one point - the older brother actually works hard. The best scene in the movie is when the robot starts playing back video of Tadashi trying to get the robot online. He goes through something like 86 tries to get it working. In contrast to his little brother who goes through a period of writer's block and then in the course of a few days comes up with these "micro bots" that have absolutely miraculous powers and are controlled via telepathy. Right...

The subtext I found in BH6 was that the ultimate hero is a machine. That's the really disturbing undercurrent - people are difficult, so the protagonist builds his own mechanical buddy, and when his buddy lets him down, he reprograms the robot to suit him. The other humans are just ancillary. Did they actually do anything meaningful? The character of GoGo was completely insufferable. Fortunately she had very few lines. The female characters might be quirky, but they were always strong and accomplished. The male characters were losers - Fred was your basic comic book nerd with rich parents (obligatory privileged white man) and Wasabi was your typical geek riddled by neuroses.

Anyway, I'm derailing the thread, but there it is.

Post: #14

(04-07-2015 01:12 AM)RockHard Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 08:45 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Big Hero 6 In the story 2 Japanese brothers live with their single mom who adopted them. (Again single motherhood as the greatest thing on Earth - she being shown as some kind of superwoman running a cafe and being super-competent and sweet). The brothers are both Millennial-like super-geniuses - millennial, because they can do genius level shit without any work. But that is beside the point - they kill off the cool brother just as they start working together:

I disagree with one point - the older brother actually works hard. The best scene in the movie is when the robot starts playing back video of Tadashi trying to get the robot online. He goes through something like 86 tries to get it working. In contrast to his little brother who goes through a period of writer's block and then in the course of a few days comes up with these "micro bots" that have absolutely miraculous powers and are controlled via telepathy. Right...

The subtext I found in BH6 was that the ultimate hero is a machine. That's the really disturbing undercurrent - people are difficult, so the protagonist builds his own mechanical buddy, and when his buddy lets him down, he reprograms the robot to suit him. The other humans are just ancillary. Did they actually do anything meaningful? The character of GoGo was completely insufferable. Fortunately she had very few lines. The female characters might be quirky, but they were always strong and accomplished. The male characters were losers - Fred was your basic comic book nerd with rich parents (obligatory privileged white man) and Wasabi was your typical geek riddled by neuroses.

Anyway, I'm derailing the thread, but there it is.

Agreed - they showed the older brother working hard like real science - 999 tries for one successful attempt. But that's a minor point anyway.

I read the comments - some small children cried when the brother died and they remained sad for the rest of the movie. That shit as well as the dad dying in Train a Dragon 2 is by design to hit the male psyche. Of course the assortment of Beta male role models is not overly inspiring either.

Post: #15

Cinderella was ruined for me forever when I learned about the association between clear/glass heels and strippers.

But I do like the fact that this movie has been pissing off feminists.

Post: #16

I watched the new Cinderella (I was with a girl) last week and was fairly surprised by the family-oriented and old school message it passes.
It cherishes traditional femininity and its associated virtues: kindness, innocence, delicateness, respect towards men (in this case, Cinderella´s father and the prince).
At the same time, it presents modern feminist attributes in a very negative light, such as consumerism, manipulation of men, pettyness, envy, regarding men as soulless providers, etc.
One of the pleasant surprises of the film is that Cinderella meets the prince while he is hunting in the woods, and falls in love with him unaware of his royal blood (she thinks he is an apprentice at the castle).

Post: #17

(04-07-2015 02:52 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  I read the comments - some small children cried when the brother died and they remained sad for the rest of the movie. That shit as well as the dad dying in Train a Dragon 2 is by design to hit the male psyche. Of course the assortment of Beta male role models is not overly inspiring either.

Yes, that's a point you raised that's interesting. There are more and more movies where both parents are missing and the male role models are weak. You mentioned a couple, Frozen is another one where the parents die early on and the girls are left on their own - in that case, with no visible role models at all.

You know, the only new-ish animated movie I can think of with an intact family is "The Incredibles".