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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
This will lead to an effort to destroy the bachelor.
Bachelor taxes
Implementation of 'common law' spouses
Bachelor shaming
The government will be forced by the future feminist agenda to pressure bachelors into marriage. The other option is to make marriage attractive again and a worthwhile investment. Which path do you think will be chosen?
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
(03-12-2015 11:03 AM)iamdegaussed Wrote: I love how it still blames the men. But the whining and hand-wringing honestly makes me grin. Society may be suffering from this but society is going to have to sweeten the pot if they want us to even think about marriage again. Fuck 'em.
They're blaming men in the sense that there's not enough Christian Grays for women to get hitched to and the available Christian Grays are'nt ponying up. Women are now married to the State and Corporations.
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
"Men willingly believe what they wish." - Julius Caesar, De Bello Gallico, Book III, Ch. 18
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
(03-12-2015 10:53 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote: We are in the midst of the biggest hook-up culture the world has ever seen, in past generations there were actually men who got married to have access to steady sex
It is now 2015 and contrary to some of the threads being started on here, pussy has never been easier to get
The avg 20-something is thinking why buy the cow when I can get the chocolate milk for free
Meanwhile...
http://www.npr.org/2015/03/10/388948950/...-matrimony
Quote:Leaders of the country's largest Protestant denomination have a message for millennials: get married already.
The Nashville-based Southern Baptist Convention and its nearly 16 million members continue to resist societal trends like gay marriage and cohabitation. They also want to go against the grain on the rising marital age.
Andrew Walker is out front on this issue, working for the denomination's public policy division. Married at 21, Walker sees a sinful side to waiting. For one, it makes the church's expectation of virginity, in his words, "impractical."
"The reality is, starting at the age of 12, 13, boys and men, growing up into maturity, are hardwired for something that God gave us a desire for and an outlet for," Walker says. "And so to suppress that becomes more difficult the older you get."Leaders of the country's largest Protestant denomination have a message for millennials: get married already.
The Nashville-based Southern Baptist Convention and its nearly 16 million members continue to resist societal trends like gay marriage and cohabitation. They also want to go against the grain on the rising marital age.
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Andrew Walker is out front on this issue, working for the denomination's public policy division. Married at 21, Walker sees a sinful side to waiting. For one, it makes the church's expectation of virginity, in his words, "impractical."
"The reality is, starting at the age of 12, 13, boys and men, growing up into maturity, are hardwired for something that God gave us a desire for and an outlet for," Walker says. "And so to suppress that becomes more difficult the older you get."
If only you knew how bad things really are.
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
(03-12-2015 11:25 AM)RexImperator Wrote: Meanwhile...
http://www.npr.org/2015/03/10/388948950/...-matrimony
Quote:Leaders of the country's largest Protestant denomination have a message for millennials: get married already.
The Nashville-based Southern Baptist Convention and its nearly 16 million members continue to resist societal trends like gay marriage and cohabitation. They also want to go against the grain on the rising marital age.
Andrew Walker is out front on this issue, working for the denomination's public policy division. Married at 21, Walker sees a sinful side to waiting. For one, it makes the church's expectation of virginity, in his words, "impractical."
"The reality is, starting at the age of 12, 13, boys and men, growing up into maturity, are hardwired for something that God gave us a desire for and an outlet for," Walker says. "And so to suppress that becomes more difficult the older you get."Leaders of the country's largest Protestant denomination have a message for millennials: get married already.
They're out of touch. They should use the multiple millions people give their sorry asses to lobby to have the bullshit laws changed if they want people to get married. Instead they'll continue to battle gay marriage and abortion even though the courts have pretty much made winning those battles impossible.
"Big Christianity" in America is a joke, feminine as hell and a money-making operation that teaches people to be subservient to the state.
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
Quote:Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future, says Janice Shaw Crouse, author of “Marriage Matters.”
“Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood,” Crouse, the former executive director of the Beverly LaHaye Institute, wrote in a recent Washington Times oped
On the contrary, far too many young women are fat and/or unattractive, and have failed to mature into a normal human being or act in a feminine manner, which involves being pleasant, showing humility and grace, and respect for others.
Unless I missed it, the article fails to acknowledge that many men have had a hard time with 'self sufficiency and responsibility' due to the recent massive recession. And most men aren't supplemented by their parents, like many women are.
Bottom line is marriage rates would increase if more women behaved in a tolerable manner. As I've said, my standards (and the standards of most men) are:
Be cute
Don't be fat
Don't be a cunt
That so many women can't live up to those three simple characteristics says a lot more about the current state of marriage than anything else.
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
(03-12-2015 08:34 AM)RioNomad Wrote: I'm 30 and only a couple of my friends from HS are married. Many have kids and long term girlfriends, but don't seem to be in a hurry to get married.
I'd say most guys from HS don't have particularly well paying jobs, even the college educated ones. Most don't own homes and mostly seem to living paycheck to paycheck.
Now, most of us come from lower-middle class families whose parents struggled their whole lives also. So there isn't much family money or connections. The ones I see doing best career wise seem to be firefighters. They make decent cash, but throw in a wife, baby and mortgage and they are basically living paycheck to paycheck also I think.
From what I see, it seems more difficult for people now to get a job that pays enough to live that American dream that leads to marriage, having kids, buying homes, etc.
My grandpa is 76. He got out of the army, went to work for PG&E for 30 years, got married, raised a family, bought a home, and got a very good retirement. Maybe it's just the area I'm from, but I don't really see that happening much anymore.
Combine all of that with divorce and custody laws and I think men my age just don't want to get married. I also think they see how miserable their parents are and don't want to repeat the same mistakes.
This. I really do feel that economic stability is at the heart of this. From studies I've seen, most young men DO actually want to get married and have families. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that this 70% are a bunch of red pill players with who are having too much fun to get married. The truth is far from that. Most men will sleep with less than 10 women in their life. And what that article said about college is a joke. That men are controlling the terms of relationships and women can't find guys. Bullshit. Most dudes in college actually aren't getting laid much. It's the jocks and top frats that getting laid the most. A lot of guys graduate from college with little sexual experience. I don't remember the number right now but I read a sizable number of guys graduate college without losing their virginity.
The cost of rent and housing as a percentage of your income is steadily rising. As is the cost of an education, and day care if you want kids. And since public schools in many cities are shit, you may have to shell out extra for private school if you want a good education for your kids. And then you have to put something away for their future education which will be even more expensive than yours, and still try to sock something away for your own retirement.
My whole theory behind this is that laissez-faire capitalism and rising inequality is destroying our social fabric. All the gains of our productivity and GDP go straight to the top 10%. The average person hasn't seen a pay increase in many decades adjusted for inflation. Yet everything is getting more expensive. An apartment I rented for $1150 a month several years ago now lists for $1600. My health insurance plan like rent goes up every year and never goes down. Ultimately responsible people want to plan their families and give their kids the best chance. They don't want to start a family under unstable conditions where you are living paycheck-to-paycheck. Many will opt to just stay single and not have kids than have to endure that kind of stress. And now that there's no stigma to perpetual bachelorhood, there's no pressure to dive into marriage when you're not ready.
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
(03-12-2015 11:55 AM)speakeasy Wrote: [quote='RioNomad' pid='977899' dateline='1426167286']
I'm 30 and only a couple of my friends from HS are married. Many have kids and long term girlfriends, but don't seem to be in a hurry to get married.
I'd say most guys from HS don't have particularly well paying jobs, even the college educated ones. Most don't own homes and mostly seem to living paycheck to paycheck.
Now, most of us come from lower-middle class families whose parents struggled their whole lives also. So there isn't much family money or connections. The ones I see doing best career wise seem to be firefighters. They make decent cash, but throw in a wife, baby and mortgage and they are basically living paycheck to paycheck also I think.
From what I see, it seems more difficult for people now to get a job that pays enough to live that American dream that leads to marriage, having kids, buying homes, etc.
My grandpa is 76. He got out of the army, went to work for PG&E for 30 years, got married, raised a family, bought a home, and got a very good retirement. Maybe it's just the area I'm from, but I don't really see that happening much anymore.
Combine all of that with divorce and custody laws and I think men my age just don't want to get married. I also think they see how miserable their parents are and don't want to repeat the same mistakes.
Quote:My whole theory behind this is that laissez-faire capitalism and rising inequality is destroying our social fabric.
Sorry, I gotta ask this and I don't mean to derail the thread: what alternate reality version of America are you living in that actually has laissez-faire capitalism? The right and the left in this country are running a gigantic con. Corporatism is what we have here and they like to blame socialism or capitalism for its (and their) failures. It's complete nonsense.
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
(03-12-2015 12:01 PM)TheWastelander Wrote: Sorry, I gotta ask this and I don't mean to derail the thread: what alternate reality version of America are you living in that actually has laissez-faire capitalism? The right and the left in this country are running a gigantic con. Corporatism is what we have here and they like to blame socialism or capitalism for its (and their) failures. It's complete nonsense.
Maybe a poor choice of term on my part. But let's just say the deregulation that has taken place since the early 80s that has led to a rapid rise in inequality and a struggling middle class.
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(03-12-2015 07:48 AM)freeuser Wrote: It´s actually very easy , it´s all about incentives. What are the incentives for a young man to get married nowadays? Endure the headaches from a bitchy wife? Getting divorce-raped in court? Having your offspring taken away from you? Loosing half your assets? Geez, I wonder why marriage rates are declining?
Thanks feminism!
If women faced the risks men face when it comes to marriage there would be a fucking civil war in this country. I mean these are people who create campaigns to complain about the way men sit on the metro "manspreading".
So can you imagine the shitstorm there'd be if it were men filing 70% of the divorces, getting custody 90% of the time, kicking mothers out of their own children's lives, and forcing women (under threat of imprisonment) to send exorbitant monthly checks to their ex-husbands.
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
(03-12-2015 12:15 PM)speakeasy Wrote: (03-12-2015 12:01 PM)TheWastelander Wrote: Sorry, I gotta ask this and I don't mean to derail the thread: what alternate reality version of America are you living in that actually has laissez-faire capitalism? The right and the left in this country are running a gigantic con. Corporatism is what we have here and they like to blame socialism or capitalism for its (and their) failures. It's complete nonsense.
Maybe a poor choice of term on my part. But let's just say the deregulation that has taken place since the early 80s that has led to a rapid rise in inequality and a struggling middle class.
First, you say the jocks and frats are getting laid but not all the others. True. But the jocks and the frats are laying every girl who isn't repulsive or religious. Repeatedly.
Second, the plundering in the economic markets is mirrored in the sexual market,
as Houellebecq said:
“It's a fact...that in societies like ours sex truly represents a second system of differentiation, completely independent of money; and as a system of differentiation it functions just as mercilessly. The effects of these two systems are, furthermore, strictly equivalent. Just like unrestrained economic liberalism, and for similar reasons, sexual liberalism produces phenomena of absolute pauperization . Some men make love every day; others five or six times in their life, or never. Some make love with dozens of women; others with none. It's what's known as 'the law of the market'...Economic liberalism is an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society. Sexual liberalism is likewise an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society.”
― Michel Houellebecq, Whatever
The old sexual market was that people would get married based on a rough equivalence of their respective social, economic, and esthetic power. One for one. Now, it's a free-for-all, with the guys at the top getting most of it, and a bunch of incels who might pick up a used-up cunt later in life. The used-up cunts are so damaged that a happy marriage to anything but their dream alpha is unthinkable, though.
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
(03-12-2015 11:55 AM)speakeasy Wrote: My whole theory behind this is that laissez-faire capitalism and rising inequality is destroying our social fabric. All the gains of our productivity and GDP go straight to the top 10%. The average person hasn't seen a pay increase in many decades adjusted for inflation. Yet everything is getting more expensive. An apartment I rented for $1150 a month several years ago now lists for $1600. My health insurance plan like rent goes up every year and never goes down. Ultimately responsible people want to plan their families and give their kids the best chance. They don't want to start a family under unstable conditions where you are living paycheck-to-paycheck. Many will opt to just stay single and not have kids than have to endure that kind of stress. And now that there's no stigma to perpetual bachelorhood, there's no pressure to dive into marriage when you're not ready.
I completely agree with this, however there are some things we can't control such as automation. It will continue and wipe out jobs in cycles as its always done. The difference is the cycles are happening faster with more unpredictability which will disrupt current business models causing unforeseen problems for all of us.
The other thing i wanna mention is part of the reason why wages aren't increasing is that the baby boomers aren't retiring, especially ones with high paying jobs. There are 2 reasons for this. It's the first generation that were married to their career, they loathe retirement as sees it as a death sentence. The 2nd reason is that they are feeding the entitled young generation living on daddy's paycheck. You have baby boomers coming back from retirement because their 28 year old daughter moved back in since her freelance "make up business" didn't quite work out.
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
Quote:After decades of feminism, Crouse noted that young men are now the ones who set the parameters for intimate relationships, and those increasingly do not include a wedding ring.
“And I know the feminists just yell and scream if you say anything like this, but time was, girls set the cultural morays, the standards, the parameters for intimate activity. The girls were the ones that set those boundaries. And now it’s the guys who do,” Crouse told CNSNews.com.
“And it’s doubly terrible because the colleges now are predominantly female. So you have some – up to 60 percent of the student bodies are female. And almost all of them are more than 50 percent female. And so the ratio [of] male/female is out of sync.
“And that means the girls have to live by the guys’ demands. And that means less romance. They don’t date. The girls, I have talked to numerous young women, lament the fact that they don’t have the opportunity to dress up and go out for an event.”
I'm going to attempt my first hamsterese-to-English translation on this forum.
English translation:
The alpha guys that young women really want now get to make the sexual decisions. Since they are increasingly eschewing marriage as alphas with looks, money, and game are the most likely to recognize that it's a sham.
So what you have in effect is that the alpha guys are setting the boundaries. Everyone else is invisible. It's doubly terrible because there are very few alphas in colleges that are becoming increasingly female, and so women have more competition for the alpha cock they want. This means the prospect of romance with an alpha is becoming increasingly less likely for even a beautiful woman, much less an average one. The girls I have talked to, numerous young women, lament the fact that they don't have the opportunity to doll themsleves up and accompany the alpha they pine over for an event because he's likely banging her sorority sister.
(03-12-2015 12:15 PM)speakeasy Wrote: Maybe a poor choice of term on my part. But let's just say the deregulation that has taken place since the early 80s that has led to a rapid rise in inequality and a struggling middle class.
I'm not sure you can blame it solely on deregulation. It's more naturally the result of globalization itself.
Back in the 50's, 60's, and 70's most of the rest of the world was still a shithole, and major economic centers in Europe and Asia were devastated as a result of World War II and the loss of overseas empires. By the 80's they were firmly back on their feet as a competitive force again, and the ability for capital to flow to these different areas accelerated this dynamic.
Of course, our regulations have done nothing to attempt to halt this process either.
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
I disagree, I think it's a sign of moral decay.
People with deep inner peace and happiness can be happy without a high income, or even a middle income.
I went to Colombia, I saw poor families with 4, 5 kids and they seemed relatively happy. It's just the American desire to have fucking EVERYTHING....its all external validation and comforts, their inner selves are weak....that's why they need to buy more shit.
You can have kids, a low income, live paycheck to paycheck and still be happy. It's about how much inner stability and clarity you have with yourself.
I would even compare this to being 'outcome independent' with game.......if your happiness is based on girls fucking you, its no different to having your identity attached to your $$$ lifestyle. With no inner peace, your game is dependent on girls approving of you, just like your happiness would be dependent on having a higher income.
My grandparents were poor and lived in a shitty beat up house and reused most everything until it broke beyond repair. I noticed they always seemed happier than their baby boomer children who all divorced etc... Youre just looking at life through the lens of needing nice shit.
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
Kind of reminds me of when people complain about Uber surge pricing, and blame Uber. Apparently these people think it is 'wrong' that people would only come out and drive their cars for passengers at 2am on Saturaday night at a higher price, and that Uber should just keep the price the same. As one of the Uber directors put it: "sure we can do that, and you'll all be staring at your Uber screens at 2am reading 'no cars available'".
Basically what the Left complains about is that they cannot enslave men. They want the ability to fuck men over, give them a raw deal, and force them to take the deal nonetheless. They want to be like a salesman who, should the customer not like the deal he offers, puts a gun in their face and says "it's a good deal; you'll be taking it".
Sometimes I fantasize about having a wife. To forget about 'I want this one, I want that one', and just have one really nice woman lying in my bed every night instead of the frivolity of chasing, fast lays, and moving on. A girly affectionate woman who doesn't agitate for conflict, who likes doing things for her man, who has good morals and character. I even fantasized once about coming back from work and walking up to the front door of a nice house I owned, imagining the streets and the weather as it was in my birth town, and seeing my wife greeting me at the door wearing a nice dress and smiling, having shuffled our kids off to their den, giving me a kiss, sitting down with me on the couch for a chat and handing me my favourite drink, then returning to getting the dinner ready. No one can tell me that that sentiment is wrong. No one can tell me that when a girl cooks me a dinner, that happiness I feel is some form of deviancy.
Instead of this, this most natural human process that has occurred so easily since the dawn of time, I have to expend immense amounts of time, effort, research and planning, traveling around the world, self-improvement, to attempt to get to anywhere near this. I lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Left. Those evil fuckers ceased doing anything but wrong a long time ago. Every single thing they do sends us down the path of degeneracy and social malaise. The Left are degeneracy. They are the self-sustaining fire that burns a building to the ground.
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
(03-12-2015 07:39 AM)not-a-pua Wrote: Couldn't find this via Forum search.
Quote:“The ones who are very serious get married early. And that leaves the majority of the girls, then, by the time they’re 25 and into their first jobs, the pickings are very, very slim for them. And Mark Regnerus was very, very clear that the quote ‘good girls’ are the ones who are at risk now in terms of not being able to get married.”
But men are not entirely to blame for the steep decline in marriage, Crouse pointed out. “A lot of women fear marriage. While feminism is a spent force, the ultimate consequences of that philosophy is a whole generation of women who don’t want any man to tell them what to do, and don’t really understand the give and take that is necessary for a marriage relationship.”
Feminism has largely achieved its goal of equality in the workplace, so the movement has “lost relevance” for young women who are now earning more college and professional degrees than men, she pointed out. However, feminism’s effects on the culture – including the historically low marriage rate - will linger for some time to come, she noted.
It came close but it didn't quite name the double standard and the mathematical problem that is the basis of the huge rise in single men.
Women demanded equality of wealth acquisition in the workplace and got it but they still consider this equal wage to be the second income of a marriage.
Meanwhile as the article suggests, Western women are ungovernable.
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RE: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married
(03-12-2015 01:48 PM)Phoenix Wrote: Kind of reminds me of when people complain about Uber surge pricing, and blame Uber. Apparently these people think it is 'wrong' that people would only come out and drive their cars for passengers at 2am on Saturaday night at a higher price, and that Uber should just keep the price the same. As one of the Uber directors put it: "sure we can do that, and you'll all be staring at your Uber screens at 2am reading 'no cars available'".
Basically what the Left complains about is that they cannot enslave men. They want the ability to fuck men over, give them a raw deal, and force them to take the deal nonetheless. They want to be like a salesman who, should the customer not like the deal he offers, puts a gun in their face and says "it's a good deal; you'll be taking it".
Sometimes I fantasize about having a wife. To forget about 'I want this one, I want that one', and just have one really nice woman lying in my bed every night instead of the frivolity of chasing, fast lays, and moving on. A girly affectionate woman who doesn't agitate for conflict, who likes doing things for her man, who has good morals and character. I even fantasized once about coming back from work and walking up to the front door of a nice house I owned, imagining the streets and the weather as it was in my birth town, and seeing my wife greeting me at the door wearing a nice dress and smiling, having shuffled our kids off to their den, giving me a kiss, sitting down with me on the couch for a chat and handing me my favourite drink, then returning to getting the dinner ready. No one can tell me that that sentiment is wrong. No one can tell me that when a girl cooks me a dinner, that happiness I feel is some form of deviancy.
Instead of this, this most natural human process that has occurred so easily since the dawn of time, I have to expend immense amounts of time, effort, research and planning, traveling around the world, self-improvement, to attempt to get to anywhere near this. I lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Left. Those evil fuckers ceased doing anything but wrong a long time ago. Every single thing they do sends us down the path of degeneracy and social malaise. The Left are degeneracy. They are the self-sustaining fire that burns a building to the ground.
It's so easy to get caught up in chasing skirt to realize how good that feeling is.
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