Post: #51

(03-27-2015 04:51 PM)MidJack Wrote:  Recode.net is naming jurors along with their gender, race, and decisions on the claims.

Could you paste this info. to this thread? Thanks.

Post: #52

(03-27-2015 05:59 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 04:51 PM)MidJack Wrote:  Recode.net is naming jurors along with their gender, race, and decisions on the claims.

Could you paste this info. to this thread? Thanks.

It is from here.

Quote:Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

The judge says 8-4 is not a sufficient majority on claim four, the retaliation by termination claim.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

By the way, I believe juror 5, who voted yes on all claims, had to leave on Monday, and he would have been replaced with an alternate.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Mr. Barclay, juror 12, white man. No to first claim questions, no to second claim questions, no to fourth claim.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Ms. Chan, juror 11, Asian woman. No to first claim questions, no to second claim questions, yes to fourth claim.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Ms. Hiramoto, juror 10, Asian woman. No to first claim questions, no to second claim questions, no to fourth claim.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Juror 9, Mr. Chu, Asian man. No to first claim questions, no to second claim questions, no to fourth.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Ms. Lyon, juror 8, white woman. No to first claim questions, no to second claim questions, no to fourth claim.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Ms. Lowe, juror 7, Asian woman. No to first claim questions, no to second claim questions, no to fourth claim.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Mr Chan, juror 6, Asian man. No to all claims.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Mr. Mejillo, juror 5, Hispanic man. Yes to first claim questions, yes to second claim questions, yes to fourth claim questions.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Juror 4, Ms. Trujillo, Hispanic woman. She says no to all claims.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Juror 3, Mr. Jones, a white man. He says no to all claims except Pao being fired as retaliation for lawsuit.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Juror 1, Mr. Jones, is a white man. He says no on all claims. Juror 2, Ms. Ramsey, is a black woman. She says yes to all three questions on claim 1. She says yes to all questions on claim 2. She says yes to claim 4.

Post: #53

(03-27-2015 06:17 PM)n0000 Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 05:59 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 04:51 PM)MidJack Wrote:  Recode.net is naming jurors along with their gender, race, and decisions on the claims.

Could you paste this info. to this thread? Thanks.

It is from here.

Quote:Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

The judge says 8-4 is not a sufficient majority on claim four, the retaliation by termination claim.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

By the way, I believe juror 5, who voted yes on all claims, had to leave on Monday, and he would have been replaced with an alternate.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Mr. Barclay, juror 12, white man. No to first claim questions, no to second claim questions, no to fourth claim.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Ms. Chan, juror 11, Asian woman. No to first claim questions, no to second claim questions, yes to fourth claim.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Ms. Hiramoto, juror 10, Asian woman. No to first claim questions, no to second claim questions, no to fourth claim.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Juror 9, Mr. Chu, Asian man. No to first claim questions, no to second claim questions, no to fourth.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Ms. Lyon, juror 8, white woman. No to first claim questions, no to second claim questions, no to fourth claim.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Ms. Lowe, juror 7, Asian woman. No to first claim questions, no to second claim questions, no to fourth claim.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Mr Chan, juror 6, Asian man. No to all claims.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Mr. Mejillo, juror 5, Hispanic man. Yes to first claim questions, yes to second claim questions, yes to fourth claim questions.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Juror 4, Ms. Trujillo, Hispanic woman. She says no to all claims.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Juror 3, Mr. Jones, a white man. He says no to all claims except Pao being fired as retaliation for lawsuit.

Liz Gannes 2 hours ago

Juror 1, Mr. Jones, is a white man. He says no on all claims. Juror 2, Ms. Ramsey, is a black woman. She says yes to all three questions on claim 1. She says yes to all questions on claim 2. She says yes to claim 4.

Interesting and somewhat unexpected voting pattern of the Asian jurors. Kudos to them.

Post: #54

(03-27-2015 06:22 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Interesting and somewhat unexpected voting pattern of the Asian jurors. Kudos to them.

Your average asian-american man won't be duped by this bullshit coming from an asian-american woman. There's very little ethnic solidarity of any type in the asian-american community anyways. It's quite unlike the black or latino community.

The people most likely to fall for it are other minority women or ultra liberal white men/women.

Post: #55

Jury has decided all four claims in favor of Kleiner Perkins.

Post: #56

Maybe some lawyers can chime in and tell us the potential for KP to countersue this scamming fag hag for lawyer fees. Just pile it on and bankrupt this bitch and her con artist husband.

Post: #57

Black women and cuckhold men voted yes, embarassing but expected

Post: #58

Hehe - the Asian women did them in - they chose quite a few in the jury, but did not realize that many of the older ones are way more traditional and prefer meritocracy to eternally-pissed-off-SJW-harpies who want to sue their way to the top.

Post: #59

(03-27-2015 09:01 PM)EuphoricWizard Wrote:  Black women and cuckhold men voted yes, embarassing but expected

Yes, the white men are probably afraid to go against the PC narrative. Spineless.

Post: #60

(03-27-2015 08:53 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Maybe some lawyers can chime in and tell us the potential for KP to countersue this scamming fag hag for lawyer fees. Just pile it on and bankrupt this bitch and her con artist husband.

I wonder if the husband was just a business partner/sperm donor.

What kind of woman marries a man who was fucking another man for 10 years before he met her?!

Post: #61

(03-27-2015 09:27 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 08:53 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Maybe some lawyers can chime in and tell us the potential for KP to countersue this scamming fag hag for lawyer fees. Just pile it on and bankrupt this bitch and her con artist husband.

I wonder if the husband was just a business partner/sperm donor.

What kind of woman marries a man who was fucking another man for 10 years before he met her?!

They're a couple of moral-less psychopathic kooks. Think Claire and Frank Underwood. Running roughshod through the world trying to gain money and power, leaving a trail of destruction in their wake.

Post: #62

She lost the claim because there were women on the jury. Women are very realistic about what huge liars other women are.

Same reason that it's difficult to convict boys on date rape charges. Women in the jury often vote against conviction. "She's just like that trashy lying slut Mary Lou back in my home town" they think to themselves.

Post: #63

Reddit is roasting her right now and there's nothing the admins can do without looking corrupt

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/30...bias_case/

They talked about how they invited the IRT from my op on NPR and she went on and on on sex discrimination in silicon valley and presented 0 facts about anything Pao did and only took things she perceived against her out of context and amplified it

This one comment though by a redditor was perfect

Quote:Hopefully her and her "husband" go to jail once the extent of his fraud comes to light, which I'm willing to bet she had knowledge of.
Of course she had knowledge of the fraud. All that her and her husband do is play the gender and race card and sue people. Her husband has played the race card multiple times and has sued people and groups with deep pockets over alleged racism and has not lost a suit yet. In fact, he is currently suing the famous New York City apartment building "The Dakota" over alleged racial discrimination and he has his hands full with that one. He sued The Dakota after they wouldn't let him continue to buy up so many rooms in their building like he had wanted to do over the years and had done to an extent. When The Dakota took a look at his finances they refused to allow him to buy any more rooms in their building because they could see that his finances looked shady and they didn't want to be thrown for a loop by him and get caught up in his now well-known serious financial difficulties. They denied him more rooms because they were afraid that he wouldn't be able to afford them. This was a few years ago. Now, after his hedge fund was audited (as a consequence of The Dakota denying him the ability to purchase more rooms due to concerns about his finances) and found to be bankrupt and since the SEC has put the guy who was a special prosecutor in the Watergate trials in charge of investigating his assets, we know that The Dakota was right to deny him more property and/or room ownership and - just like his wife Ellen - he played the discrimination card when faced with the fact that his finances were very sketchy and couldn't accept that he wasn't being given more rooms due to his race.

Pao obviously brought her suit against Kleiner so soon after her husband's hedge fund was declared bankrupt because she didn't want to miss that window of opportunity to sue for upwards of $100 million which would seriously help her husband to get out of the jam he is in with the Feds and the SEC. In fact, the $144 million payout that Pao was eligible to receive if the jury found in her favor is the exact amount that her husband is accused of defrauding/taking a Louisiania pension fund investor group for and it is why he is being investigated for serious fraud. All of this is made clear in hindsight when you read the two articles in Vanity Fair and Fortune magazines about this seedy and shady couple. Hell, both Ellen Pao and her husband Buddy Fletcher were on the front cover of a 2012 issue of Fortune magazine over their sordid and unraveling private and professional lives. For some reason, Reddit's leadership found it wise to get into with bed these people. If you haven't read the two magazine pieces yet then I highly recommend them for their collective entertainment and information value. One of my favorite passages and/or quotes taken from these two pieces is that of Reddit's former legal counsel and Silicon Valley woman-in-tech Rebecca Eisenberg.


Pao kept racking up the Ivy League degrees. From Princeton she went straight to law school at Harvard; then, after a stint at Cravath Swaine & Moore, she earned another Harvard degree, this time from the business school. “She is one of the least objectionable people on earth,” says Rebecca Eisenberg, a law school classmate. “She doesn’t stand out. She’s the type of person who just goes about her business.”
Her friend Rebecca's comments are somewhat laughable now given that the jury heard plenty of evidence to the contrary and thoroughly disagreed with Pao's view of herself as someone who fits Eisenberg's description. Why is this my favorite passage and why do I find it interesting? It couldn't be because Eisenberg is a proud and self-avowed feminist and social justice warrior who had her "awakening" while both she and Pao were both attending Harvard Law School in the early 90s, could it? Surely I can't be the only person who finds it interesting that Eisenberg wrote about her "metamorphosis" into a feminist crusader as a law student at Harvard at the same time that Pao - her friend - was also studying at the famed university, right? Both that link to Eisenberg's thoughts as a twenty-something law student and Pao's gender suit against Kleiner show you the type of people who gain power and influence at reddit. If you look close enough at those in power on this site, you'll see that they're all Leftists and San Fran liberals who are into social justice and feminism. We even have a former reddit admin moderating /r/Shitredditsays for God's sake. Those like reddit co-founder Alexis O'Hanian who aren't on board with these views are then shamed into adopting them and shamed into giving people like Pao and Eisenberg power and control on his website out of pathetic White tech geek guilt after they've been told by the media that they're not "diverse" enough and that reddit is "too White."
If you take a look at who Pao follows on Twitter you'll see that she follows dozens of feminists and social justice warriors like Anita Sarkeesian, Jessica Valenti, Jill Filipovic, Brianna Wu, etc., and she tried to take a page out of their "I'm a victim and I'm being harassed" playbook to get herself an obscene payout to salvage her professional and private life as well as that of her under-investigation husband. She saw this type of crap work for these people and just how much our media allows for people to play the White guilt/diversity/discrimination hustle on weak-willed tech geeks out in Silicon Valley but what she didn't realize is that the court of public opinion and the court of law are two very different beasts. She thought that she could try to get her payout and sympathy in a court of law but she was wrong. People like Sarkeesian, Wu, and Zoe Quinn are able to run their gender harassment hustle successfully because they stay out of a court of laws devoid of feelz and stick to the realm of biased, chummy, liberal, and corrupt journalism/media to win over supporters and to win themselves sympathy money from pushovers like Intel.

Pao thought that she could run the same hustle and raise the $$$ stakes even higher than her feminist/SJW peers but what she didn't fully understand is that the jury and the judge are by law instructed to be as impartial and unbiased as possible and to not be swayed by feelz, only facts. For such a smart woman, Pao didn't think it all out as well as she needed to to get her big payout but to be fair to her, she was desperate and had to go through with it all anyway for the sake of her husband, her daughter, and herself. Too bad.

Post: #64

(03-27-2015 11:59 PM)EuphoricWizard Wrote:  ...

Quote:...

In fact, the $144 million payout that Pao was eligible to receive if the jury found in her favor is the exact amount that her husband is accused of defrauding/taking a Louisiania pension fund investor group for and it is why he is being investigated for serious fraud.

...

$144M punitive damages on top of the $16M claim. What a remarkable coincidence, that.

I haven't looked at the timeline, but it's probably safe to assume that the fraud occurred after they got married, so their liabilities are joined, which is why she hasn't just bailed and served him divorce papers.

Post: #65

(03-27-2015 09:27 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 08:53 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Maybe some lawyers can chime in and tell us the potential for KP to countersue this scamming fag hag for lawyer fees. Just pile it on and bankrupt this bitch and her con artist husband.

I wonder if the husband was just a business partner/sperm donor.

What kind of woman marries a man who was fucking another man for 10 years before he met her?!

It's a marriage of convenience of some type for sure. He was probably her "bestie" and the only person on the same page with her scheming and histrionics.

Post: #66

The firm could sue her to pay their legal fees, but I doubt that they will. Even if they don't, her legal fees for her team are probably over $100,000 easily. She's going to be paying that off for years since she's bankrupt. Also, who is going to hire her now that it's obvious that she is bat-shit crazy? Her career as a corporate executive is likely over for good.

Post: #67

And now Kleiner Perkins is seeking nearly $1 million in court costs. They've offered to drop that claim if Ellen agrees not to appeal the case. The entertainment continues...

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKB...3?irpc=932

Post: #68

(04-23-2015 08:08 PM)BagelConsultant Wrote:  And now Kleiner Perkins is seeking nearly $1 million in court costs. They've offered to drop that claim if Ellen agrees not to appeal the case. The entertainment continues...

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKB...3?irpc=932

Very smart.

The choice they're offering her is "Give up your shakedown attempts or we'll publically bankrupt you"

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold

Post: #69

(04-24-2015 04:47 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

(04-23-2015 08:08 PM)BagelConsultant Wrote:  And now Kleiner Perkins is seeking nearly $1 million in court costs. They've offered to drop that claim if Ellen agrees not to appeal the case. The entertainment continues...

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKB...3?irpc=932

Very smart.

The choice they're offering her is "Give up your shakedown attempts or we'll publically bankrupt you"

She's filed her notice of appeal, but hasn't provided any grounds for the appeal yet.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ellen-pao-appeals-2015-6

Post: #70

My company was interviewing a young asian woman last week for a job. I was one of the people interviewing her.

I looked at her and suddenly thought to myself..."Hey this woman has the same kind of attitude as Ellen Pao."

So I persuaded our team to give the job to somebody else (a guy).

Everybody is scared to death of these bullshit lawsuits. Literally one angry female employee can destroy an entire startup, and lose EVERYBODY their jobs.

These days, getting fired can just about put you into poverty. People are at best a month away from losing their homes and ending up living in an RV in the Walmart parking lot. So yeah, the sex harassment lawsuit thing creates an extremely hostile environment where employees of a firm are voting down female candidates who they think might be lawsuit prone. Nobody will talk about it but that's running through their minds.

Congratulations Ellen Pao, you stupid fucking jerk.

Post: #71

(06-02-2015 05:02 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  My company was interviewing a young asian woman last week for a job. I was one of the people interviewing her.

I looked at her and suddenly thought to myself..."Hey this woman has the same kind of attitude as Ellen Pao."

So I persuaded our team to give the job to somebody else (a guy).

Everybody is scared to death of these bullshit lawsuits. Literally one angry female employee can destroy an entire startup, and lose EVERYBODY their jobs.

These days, getting fired can just about put you into poverty. People are at best a month away from losing their homes and ending up living in an RV in the Walmart parking lot. So yeah, the sex harassment lawsuit thing creates an extremely hostile environment where employees of a firm are voting down female candidates who they think might be lawsuit prone. Nobody will talk about it but that's running through their minds.

Congratulations Ellen Pao, you stupid fucking jerk.

I work in IT. Your words sound 120% right. My manager is always scarce to death every time he has to hire a new developer and pray that no woman is going to apply. Its sad but for women but the guy had a terrible experience once and that marked him forever. He does not say anything but we all know the day he has to put a girl in the team he is leaving for good.

Post: #72

(06-02-2015 05:02 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  My company was interviewing a young asian woman last week for a job. I was one of the people interviewing her.

I looked at her and suddenly thought to myself..."Hey this woman has the same kind of attitude as Ellen Pao."

So I persuaded our team to give the job to somebody else (a guy).

I think this can also work in the opposite direction.

I was talking to my brother the other day, and he casually mentioned that one of the female sales managers on another team is basically hiring 27-30yo clones of herself. No diversity to speak of at all. Not one man. Not one female in her 40's. He said that he had advised her that a "well balanced team" is better for long term success and growth of the region. As elaborated to me, this meant that her strategy completely ignored the fact that women have a tendency to leave the work force to start families around this age, and this was a risk of high turnover of women that needed constant time off for prenatal care, doctor appointments, and maternity leave, perhaps putting her performance as a manager at risk under a worst case scenario due to a results oriented business model. Advice was completely ignored. Apparently things aren't going all that great.

When I contemplate a business model that has a board, shareholders, etc. to answer to based on profits on a quarterly and yearly basis, this concept is in the back of my mind. For this female manager, I suspect she didn't feel comfortable replicating her success with anyone that didn't fit a mold. So that is the only type of employee she would hire.

It is interesting to ponder whether giving a high level C-suite position (like Pao was gunning for) to women who are basic, successful managers but not efficient leaders, is in fact not in the best interest of a company that truly desires diversity in their employees.

I wish I had the employment roster of Yahoo. Might be a good case study on this example.

Post: #73

(06-03-2015 12:14 AM)Gustavus Adolphus Wrote:  I think this can also work in the opposite direction.

I was talking to my brother the other day, and he casually mentioned that one of the female sales managers on another team is basically hiring 27-30yo clones of herself. No diversity to speak of at all. Not one man. Not one female in her 40's. ...

It is interesting to ponder whether giving a high level C-suite position (like Pao was gunning for) to women who are basic, successful managers but not efficient leaders, is in fact not in the best interest of a company that truly desires diversity in their employees.

I wish I had the employment roster of Yahoo. Might be a good case study on this example.

This is not the workings of the opposite direction. This is what happens when a feminist rules. She is bringing down the patriarchy single-handedly. Reminds me of that one TV production company this one woman founded and hired only women - of course it was a spectacular fail.

The sales manager you describe would be in a precarious position in a large corporation already or maybe companies don't care anymore and let those bitches run wild and create their own feminist wonderland there. Except for a few power-centers US business has shifted to China already, so maybe they don't give two shits if sub-optimal performance is achieved.

Post: #74

Zelcorpion- yes, that TV production company was exactly what I thought of when I heard about this "team".

My opposite direction statement was referring to MrLemon and his ability to recognize a poor addition based on behavior in the Pao case. If this female manager can't do that in a lower rank, the result of similar decision making in the C-suite may be catastrophic for a profit minded business. If I had to guess, you are right on all the feminist agenda assumptions and getting away with anything and everything, I just can't confirm. I'm sure I can find a LinkedIn photo- probably with short hair which will remove all doubt.

Post: #75

Ellen Pao must pay Kleiner $276k in legal costs




http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/.../28888471/

Quote:SAN FRANCISCO—Ellen Pao will have to pay $275,966 in costs for her failed discrimination and retaliation case against her former employer, venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins, or about a quarter of what the company had asked for.

On Wednesday, Judge Harold Kahn issued a tentative ruling on the issue of costs incurred by Kleiner.

Pao lost her case charging gender discrimination and retaliation against Kleiner on March 27.

As was its legal right, on April 23, Kleiner asked that Pao repay $972,814 in costs for expert fees, depositions, transcription and travel for expert witnesses it had incurred during the trial.

Last week, Pao filed a reply in San Francisco Superior Court, saying she should not have to pay Kleiner's "gargantuan and unreasonable charges."


Kahn on Wednesday weighed in with a ruling that "granted in part and denied in part" both sides.

In a five-page document very reminiscent of his dry wit during the five-week long trial, Kahn went through each of Pao's requests.

Kahn allowed most of the costs Kleiner has listed in its initial filing, including for jury food ($177.56), filing and motion fees ($240) and technology equipment rental ($7,196.)

However, he noted that under the Fair Employment and Housing Act , the court must consider the economic resources of both sides and "scale" them so as to be fair.

While noting that Pao "is not indigent," Kahn also said that Kleiner has "vastly" greater economic resources than she does.

Because of that, he scaled back the costs of Kleiner's expert witnesses to be more in line with those that Pao hired and then charged her that amount.

That reduced the costs Pao must repay to Kleiner from about $970,000 to closer to $275,000, though Kahn at the end of his ruling noted, "The parties are urged to check my math."

In a statement, Kleiner's communications partner Christina Lee said the firm was pleased with the result.

"This tentative ruling recognizes that our settlement offer was reasonable and made in good faith. It also recognizes the cost rules still apply when a plaintiff refuses a reasonable settlement offer and forces the parties to go through an expensive trial," she said

Pao, now interim CEO at the online forum Reddit, declined to comment.