Post: #26

(03-11-2015 02:26 PM)keysersoze Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 02:19 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  Great story man. Personally I feel like those girls who need a ton of exposure time and proof before they start to like you are kind of slow when it comes to recognizing great guys.

I feel sorry for them because they often choose the wrong guys and have no idea
how to pursue the right type of guy...even though they might be a good girl.

It's fun the first time...however they really have no real (female) game...otherwise it wouldn't have taken her so long.

Thanks. I have other stories of conversions like that. It's very possible.

This goes against manosphere dogma, but some girls really aren't hoes and actually need to be gamed over time. There's some that are DTF right when you meet them, and some that need convincing. It is what it is.

Heard a great quote saturday... We were with a girl picking up one of her friends, and before the we pickup this chick, my buddy asks the girl, "so is your friend a hoe?". The girl replied, "No, she doesn't drink enough". That one stuck with me for a bit.

Some girls need more time. Not many American ones though. I have had sex with young virgins after only spending a few hours with them.

I still stand by you have 2 hours of time with a girl to build 90%+ of her attraction to you.

Everything else after that is building comfort with maybe small hits of upping her actual attraction.

If it take 5 or 10 of group social hang outs over the course of months to bang I still think the first 2 hours is where you build the sexual foundation. Everything else is window dressings. It's quick like a blitzkrieg, not a slow dance.

Post: #27

(03-11-2015 02:32 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  Actual footage of this slow "game" vs. killer instinct.

By the time you go to the hoop, I'm already there.

Haha. I love the attitude.

But no one here is proposing slow game is better than killer instinct. 10 times out of 10 I'd prefer to meet them, game, and close. Sometimes killer instinct won't be enough in certain settings.

Post: #28

(03-11-2015 02:26 PM)keysersoze Wrote:  [quote='Apollo21' pid='977353' dateline='1426101599']
This goes against manosphere dogma, but some girls really aren't hoes and actually need to be gamed over time. There's some that are DTF right when you meet them, and some that need convincing. It is what it is.

Heard a great quote saturday... We were with a girl picking up one of her friends, and before the we pickup this chick, my buddy asks the girl, "so is your friend a hoe?". The girl replied, "No, she doesn't drink enough". That one stuck with me for a bit.

Yeah...I don't even subscribe to manosphere philosophy...it's a doctrine that tends to ignore women's actual values and beliefs.

I'll all about winning hearts and minds...it's the Army way...and you can't do that with women(or people in general) if you treat them like something you just use and throw away.

As far as gaming over time, it's definitely an investment decision you have to make.
Is she really worth pursuing long term? Some girls are totally worth it...2-3 years if necessary...while with others you should just run and run fast.

Post: #29

(03-11-2015 02:32 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  Actual footage of this slow "game" vs. killer instinct.

By the time you go to the hoop, I'm already there.

I got plenty of bangs in less than an hour. Social circle game is different. Its farming versus hunting. You take your time and build it up and then every so often it throws something at you. In the meantime you still go run fast tight game on girls outside the circle. Everybody wins.

Post: #30

"Slow Game" can work in certain situations. (work, school, etc.)

I have a friend that is terrified of doing cold approaches, but, in an office setting, his game is slow, steady, and solid.

Girls have told me that I "grew on them" over time.

This is because.. GIRLS ARE OFTEN ATTRACTED TO THE WAY IN WHICH WE INTERACT WITH THEM and the way in which we interact with the world.

If we can make them laugh, make them feel good, make them feel sexy, engage their emotions and passions, we can build attraction over a period of time.

Personality is still very important!

Post: #31

Gio as usual nails it again.

Being congruent with the setting you're in is key. Girls like smooth. Perhaps the strongest social cue that women, hell all people, are attracted to complete command and control of the situation. An easy air of confidence.

Easy confidence looks very different in a club, than it does in a coffee shop, than it does at work. Match your setting to your behavior.

Post: #32

Great insights given here in this thread.
Also maybe I have to point out that I'm mostly dealing with girls from Italy, Spain, other European countries and various Latin American countries.

A lot of the socializing are things such as dinners and the moment to separate the girl from the herd is difficult sometimes.

Post: #33

Call your local travel agency. Ask them for a one-way ticket to the "friendzone". They will tell you to go slow with girls you want to bang.

For real, AGFTB. That's the trick. Always Go For The Bang. By the time you escalate slow, another guy will put his dick in her and you will be labeled as a beta orbiter. That's the sad truth.

Escalate as fast as you can.

Post: #34

Dont be a beta orbiter. Be an alpha meteorite.

Post: #35

My personal take on it.. /thread-31842-...#pid623089

Post: #36

You can build attraction over time to a certain extent. However in my experience there has to be a certain level of attraction there to begin with. More importantly attraction can be lost through bad game. The chances of you slipping up in your game increase the more time you spend with her. Unless you've been living the life for years the habits haven't become ingrained and it is hard to be on point %100 of the time.

"Even when I see them at social events logistics don't really work well always (they planned in advance other events, going too fast for two at the same time that know one another etc.)"

By all means don't game them in a situation that sets you up for possible failure. Just say hello and wait to see them later, or just stay for a minute. However, there's nothing to stop you from getting their number and transitioning into a meetup that way.


Just don't get caught in a trap of waiting for the perfect moment to make a move. They rarely come, and the entire time you're not tapping that, chances are good someone else is.

Post: #37

I think I can write a good post on this. I've sometimes converted girls 2 years after meeting them. The reason was mostly logistical (she was living in a different country, I wasn't interested in visitting, etc).

It's actually quite easy to do this. The girl just has to be interested in you enough to get her on your "autoresponder". When you meet a girl in real life, and you can't convert her on the same night, usually what happens is you hit her up straight away the day after meeting. Probably I'm in her city for a weekend and I will try to push for a meet up, given that I only have 3 days to make the whole thing happen. This might come across a bit needy, but its a necessity since you really have this time constraint.

This weekend for example, I banged a girl who I had met 3 months before while visitting this city I'm in now while I just met 2 new girls on a friday night out.

What I'm doing right now is easy. These girls all have instagrams. My friends who are professional emailers call it the autoresponder. An Autoresponder is when you have a set of emails that go out automatically for an amount of days after someone signed up to your email newsletter.

Since I built up quite a good amount of conversation with them in real life and they were interested but couldn't convert due to logistics, they will most likely follow me back when I follow them on instagram or accept my FB friendreq. Now, this works because I travel a ton and do pretty cool stuff. I keep messaging the girls with a simple "hey how's it going" every 1-2 weeks, we chitchat and sometimes they hit me up when they're bored. They clearly see how much more interesting my life is over theirs, I spit some good game and a week or two before I'm coming to their town, I intensify the talking. The thing about this is don't tell them straight away that you're coming to their city. Just make them want you by being the cool guy she knows but that she can't have because she might never see him again.

When you see them getting more invested, drop the hint that some friend is having a birthday in her city and you "need" to come visit and that you should grab some coffee. Do this about 5-4 days before touching down in her city. You'll be the cool guy she once met, you'll be the guy she couldn't have but now is finally there. This has worked for me all over Eastern Europe, Spain, the US, Sweden, hell even Hong Kong. It simply works.

Obviously, you should portray a cool lifestyle, include friends, fun things you do, the once in a while funny post... I know you guys hate a lot on these things, but in general.. it's the easiest way to get social proof nowadays.

I've had girls that were absolutely unresponsive after meeting them during daygame but after them seeing my lifestyle or at least realizing I'm not the typical loser they seem to be bombarded with, open up completely. Or they might see you with some other hot girl at a party, or or or.. I highly disagree that you will land in the friendzone over time. Usually guys put themselves land in the friendzone by being too nice or not seeming enough threatening sexually.

The funny thing is, you can fake this whole persona too. I know a bunch of guys banging stupid girls off posting pictures they clearly are taking from someone else's accounts. This is somehow the great thing about social media.. it's all about perception, not reality. But to be fair, I rather have it be my reality and so should any self respecting guy.