Post: #26

(03-08-2015 06:21 PM)Peregrine Wrote:  What's better - suboptimal advice given that is received and leads to 20% improvement or optimal advice given that is rejected and leads to 0% improvement?

You can reject my dichotomy, but I honestly don't think most people (which includes some men in the manosphere as well) can handle the bare naked truth. It is ugly as fuck.

Hm - you see I don't consider it so bad. If you go out and engage with women afterwards then after the initial stage of disappointment, maybe even anger you realize that women are women. Feminism and the SJW borg are forces apart from that, but women themselves are lovely the way they are, if you are aware of their nature and learn Game.

Most men can improve their lot to such a level that they navigate the current market place well - even find a LTR worthy girl or enjoy an improved sex life having sex with the carousel riding girls. After some transitional period most men are more happy and even like women more - they just view them with a healthy dose of "benevolent" sexism.

Even that book and post is better to show to women:

http://ladiesagain.com/2015/03/01/why-mo...miserable/

http://www.amazon.com/WHAT-OUR-MOTHERS-D...0684859599

   

Post: #27

I came across The Rules Revisited before. It's Purple Pill bullshit through and through. But I can understand why the guy does it. You can't sell anything to women by being truthful and direct.

(03-08-2015 04:18 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Female Game is easy and not so easy at the same time. The difficulty actually comes with the terrain - a girl would literally have to isolate herself from the propaganda out there. It's a bit more complicated than be slim, be good and be sexy, because there is so much out there pulling at them. The problem is of course that writing such a take-down could be done by men, but the women would not like it. Yes - if you reach 16-18 year olds, then some of them might take you up. For most others who start wondering why Mr. Right is not here yet - well it's almost too late for them or they won't be able to optimize their hypergamy anymore, they will be too bitter and jaded already. You essentially need a brutally honest site that only 18-22 might accept readily. For the rest it would be too "painful" - that's why you have sheisters like those above who put some sugar on that shit-sandwich.

Because I'm not married and don't have kids, my mother has been making herself busy looking after children of relatives and family friends lately, most being little girls. From what she's been telling me, by the time they're about 6-7, it's already too late for Girl Game. Their horrible Western feminist female attitude is already set and encouraged by their parents, school and everyone else.

Those young sweet foreign girls we praise on RVF have been trained to be like that from when they were just old enough to talk.

The Chinese have an old saying about raising children properly: "age 3 is old enough, age 7 is too old".

Because girls hit their peak between 16-22, if they weren't trained well before that, they would waste it all. It's akin to boys suddenly getting a $10 millions inheritance at the same age, but having not had any financial education.

This is why all of those Girl Game websites, regardless of good intentions, will fail. By the time their clientele find the sites, it's already too late for them.

Post: #28

http://jetsetbabe.com/

Post: #29

(03-08-2015 07:01 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  http://jetsetbabe.com/

Heh.

Quote:I WAS INTRODUCED TO THE ‘SHEIK’ AND THE ENGLISH GUY TOLD ME ‘DON’T EAT INFRONT OF HIM OR TAKE YOUR SHOES OFF’ ..

Post: #30

There is a roosh equivalent for stripers where they discuss how to rinse men better.... Can't remember the name but maybe someone else knows the one I'm talking about.

Post: #31

(03-08-2015 01:20 PM)game_ethic Wrote:  http://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/

Since when did women start calling themselves Red Pill?

Post: #32

(03-09-2015 08:41 AM)FANATICAL Wrote:  There is a roosh equivalent for stripers where they discuss how to rinse men better.... Can't remember the name but maybe someone else knows the one I'm talking about.

In Russia there is even a Gold Digger's Academy:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...ademy.html



But at least the men there fuck the girls thoroughly and usually fire them when they leave the 18-22 age range.

In China it's similar.

Only in the West is the thirst and Beta-ization of men so advanced that girls are rinsing wealthy or stupid men for presents and cash without even giving them more than a kiss on the cheek.

But that's essentially Dark Triad Game for women on how to be a slag. In my opinion those women are even below Porta-Potta-Escorts, because at least the latter earn their money through sometimes disgusting sex. The others are just despicable skanks:

Post: #33

There are a few quite good blogs about for women, by women on being feminine.

They pretty much echo exactly what is said here.

Post: #34

I'd say looks are about 60% of it, BUT most women have nothing upstairs so looks may as well be 100%. I'm sure I'm not the only dude who has spoken to a girl and gone (in my mind, of course), "this bitch hasn't seen the inside of a book in 20 years."

I'm SUPER impressed when I'm on a date and the girl actually can hold up a conversation on topics beyond the usual drivel. I think they used to call it being charming, but now it's an actual skill that women lack. You can often see it if you talk to an old lady or something: they know how to extend a conversation while being funny and making you smile with some off-hand compliment or something. I blame all the cellphone and facebook use. People aren't used to being funny and charming in an off the cuff way anymore.

I had a date this Saturday where the chick was legitimately charming despite not being amazingly good looking. She told good stories, asked good questions, paid for everything and showed me her interest from the get go. She overplayed her hand a bit, but I appreciate when chicks understand their value and try to make up for it by being decent speakers, stylish dressers and pleasant. I'd rather deal with a "cool" six than a vapid eight any day of the week.

Post: #35

From the LaidNYC thread:

Quote:Girl Game

In game blogs, it is often asserted that women can’t have game beyond some gold-digging exceptions. I disagree. The problem is guys who make that claim are looking at it through the lens of ”guy goals” of money and sex. Sure, there is little a girl can do in that regard besides find a sucker and be a hot slut.

However, girls are more concerned with getting a man to bond to her on a deep level and acquire his love. For that, there are some things she can do.

Girls, Lets get two things out of the way first:

90 % of your appeal to men is your looks. If you don’t have the genes, this can suck but you have to do what you can: Stay thin, wear makeup, keep your hair long and dress to look good, not to assert your status to women.

Fear the wall. Do everything you can to delay or lessen the blow of the wall through healthy living, but know it is coming. Know that you will be gross and undesirable long before your male peers. This is not fair. This sucks. But you must accept it.

But enough about your looks, you shallow, superficial woman! What about your personality?

Act like the guys you aren’t attracted to. For example, a guy who brings gifts to a woman before sex will surely not to get laid. How about the other way around? A girl once brought me a little keepsake on our second date. ”I got this for you”, she giggled. It was a little painted figurine of something we had talked about on our first date. Nothing special or valuable. Yet I keep it in my ”girl box” full of memories of girls past, like slips of paper with phone numbers, birthday cards, panties, etc. I never slept with her (her choice), yet I still think about her sometimes.

Know how to compliment a man. For every time you call a man nice, sweet, and sensitive, tell him ten times that he’s confident, a leader, funny, charming, handsome, manly, ambitious, and athletic. Men instinctively know nice guys get cuckolded. The first girl to ever reject him probably told him he was nice. Being nice is bad. Even if he is nice to you, that is not how he wants to be defined. Show him you see him how he wants to be seen.

Leave cute notes for him to find. My favorite thing a girl has ever done for me was leave a note in my underwear drawer that said ”Roses are red, violets are blue, I like having sex with you <3”. It doesn’t even have to be a sexual note. A simple note reading ”I did your dishes babe, *muah*” gets the job done just fine. Girliness of handwriting counts. Write in pink or purple ink/marker. It is my educated opinion after years of dating that American girls need some serious work on their note-writing game.

To the guys: Steal this tactic. Girls I date now get lustful Post-it scribbles from me inside their panties and bras.

Girl up your voice. High, feminine voices are heart-melting. I have a voicemail from an old fling saved on my hard drive. She wasn’t saying anything special, just calling to make plans, but her voice was so sweet and girly that I can still listen to it and enjoy her essence. What if your voice isn’t high? If you smoke, quit. You sound like a gravely road. If you don’t smoke and your voice is not pure girl, consider some voice/singing lessons so you can better control it.

Let him do things for you, then show appreciation. The key: Have him do masculine things, not emasculating things. Ask if he’ll help check your oil or protect you from something. Don’t ask him to hold your purse or run to the store for you. He should feel like a protector filling masculine gender roles, not a servant doing a butler’s job. When he does something for you, show genuine appreciation. He’d prefer it be sexual in nature, but it doesn’t have to be. A sincere thank you is bare minimum.

Men want to be men, give him the opportunity.

Present authentic emotion. I once had the First Big Fight with a girl I had been dating for about four months. When it became clear to her that she was wrong and I really was considering leaving her, she kneeled in front of me, tears streaming down her face like a faucet, begging me not to leave her.

I saw passion. Deep emotional capacity. Modesty. Willingness to submit. Real fear of losing me. Until that moment, I really didn’t know I meant so much to her. I didn’t leave her. It brought us closer together.

Some might say ”she manipulated you by crying”. Nah. A man with enough experience can tell the difference. Not all tears are manipulative but there’s a reason women try to use manipulative tears: Men respond to real tears.

The corollary of course:

Cut out the fake tears. If you cry to manipulate and play the victim, you won’t respect the man who falls for it, and you will piss off the man who doesn’t.

Cook, clean, sew. Fill the feminine void in a man’s life. If he loses a button, you say I can fix that for you. You always have a new recipe you want him to try. You bake him and his friends chocolate chip cookies just because. Your first reaction when you go to his place isn’t to plop on the couch, it is to clean the kitchen.

Be sunshine. Brooding men are hot. Brooding women look infertile. Starting today, your default emotion is happiness. Your default facial expression is a smile. You treat people pleasantly and sweetly. You do not make sarcastic jokes. You laugh at other people’s jokes. You giggle. You don’t engage in serious or negative conversations. You are a ray of sunshine and you do not care if people who are less happy judge you for being happy.

Earn trust. There’s sexual trust, and there’s verbal trust. You need to earn both. For one, he needs to know you won’t sleep around on him. One way to show this is by not sleeping with him too fast. Men instinctively know that girls who spread their legs quickly for them spread their legs quickly for other men as well. He also needs to know you won’t spill any secret he tells you in confidence. This is, I believe, the rarest quality for a girl to have. I’m not sure I’ve ever fully trusted a girl in this regard, not even my own mother. If you are a trustworthy girl who does not gossip you are worth your weight in princess cut diamonds.

Avoid projection at all costs. Women are attracted to leadership, humor, status and ambition in their men, so some girls falsely believe they can attract men by being ambitious and status-driven. This does not work. The feminine attracts the masculine. To attract a man, do not act like a man.
I’m not just being hard on you here, girls. Men are guilty of projection as well. Beta males want girls to be devoted and emotional towards them, so they give out their emotions and devotion easily. Men are very attracted to looks so we end up with chest-shaving metrosexuals. Men are just as guilty of projection in this area as women.

A word on clinginess. If a guy thinks you’re ”clingy”, he’s just not that into you. Remember Vince Vaughn in Wedding Crashers alerting of a ”Stage 5 Virgin Clinger”? This was a problem because he wanted to fuck her and leave her as soon as possible. If your goal is to be fucked and chucked, then by all means present yourself as time-free pussy. If not, cling a little. Take some intiative in texting him. Give a little PDA. Show him you want to spend time with him.

I’m not saying become an obsessive stalker, but when a man is looking for a girlfriend, a little clinginess is much better than the alternative. Players don’t want the emotional commitment that clinginess signals. Boyfriend material does. The hotter a guy thinks you are and the more he wants to keep you around, the less of a problem your clinginess is.

Go forth and girlify.

Post: #36

^If that was on some mainstream website, I guarantee the first comment would go something like:

"WOW. Just fucking wow. That was the most blatantly sexist, misogynistic piece of shit excuse for an article I've ever read. I'm so fucking angry right now. Like this literally just ruined my fucking day. Uggh why are there still people like this?!"

That's how you know something is spot on--when it's attacked for every reason other than being untrue.

Post: #37

(03-09-2015 08:21 PM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  From the LaidNYC thread:

Quote:Girl Game

In game blogs, it is often asserted that women can’t have game beyond some gold-digging exceptions. I disagree. The problem is guys who make that claim are looking at it through the lens of ”guy goals” of money and sex. Sure, there is little a girl can do in that regard besides find a sucker and be a hot slut.

However, girls are more concerned with getting a man to bond to her on a deep level and acquire his love. For that, there are some things she can do.

Girls, Lets get two things out of the way first:

90 % of your appeal to men is your looks. If you don’t have the genes, this can suck but you have to do what you can: Stay thin, wear makeup, keep your hair long and dress to look good, not to assert your status to women.

Fear the wall. Do everything you can to delay or lessen the blow of the wall through healthy living, but know it is coming. Know that you will be gross and undesirable long before your male peers. This is not fair. This sucks. But you must accept it.

But enough about your looks, you shallow, superficial woman! What about your personality?

Act like the guys you aren’t attracted to. For example, a guy who brings gifts to a woman before sex will surely not to get laid. How about the other way around? A girl once brought me a little keepsake on our second date. ”I got this for you”, she giggled. It was a little painted figurine of something we had talked about on our first date. Nothing special or valuable. Yet I keep it in my ”girl box” full of memories of girls past, like slips of paper with phone numbers, birthday cards, panties, etc. I never slept with her (her choice), yet I still think about her sometimes.

Know how to compliment a man. For every time you call a man nice, sweet, and sensitive, tell him ten times that he’s confident, a leader, funny, charming, handsome, manly, ambitious, and athletic. Men instinctively know nice guys get cuckolded. The first girl to ever reject him probably told him he was nice. Being nice is bad. Even if he is nice to you, that is not how he wants to be defined. Show him you see him how he wants to be seen.

Leave cute notes for him to find. My favorite thing a girl has ever done for me was leave a note in my underwear drawer that said ”Roses are red, violets are blue, I like having sex with you <3”. It doesn’t even have to be a sexual note. A simple note reading ”I did your dishes babe, *muah*” gets the job done just fine. Girliness of handwriting counts. Write in pink or purple ink/marker. It is my educated opinion after years of dating that American girls need some serious work on their note-writing game.

To the guys: Steal this tactic. Girls I date now get lustful Post-it scribbles from me inside their panties and bras.

Girl up your voice. High, feminine voices are heart-melting. I have a voicemail from an old fling saved on my hard drive. She wasn’t saying anything special, just calling to make plans, but her voice was so sweet and girly that I can still listen to it and enjoy her essence. What if your voice isn’t high? If you smoke, quit. You sound like a gravely road. If you don’t smoke and your voice is not pure girl, consider some voice/singing lessons so you can better control it.

Let him do things for you, then show appreciation. The key: Have him do masculine things, not emasculating things. Ask if he’ll help check your oil or protect you from something. Don’t ask him to hold your purse or run to the store for you. He should feel like a protector filling masculine gender roles, not a servant doing a butler’s job. When he does something for you, show genuine appreciation. He’d prefer it be sexual in nature, but it doesn’t have to be. A sincere thank you is bare minimum.

Men want to be men, give him the opportunity.

Present authentic emotion. I once had the First Big Fight with a girl I had been dating for about four months. When it became clear to her that she was wrong and I really was considering leaving her, she kneeled in front of me, tears streaming down her face like a faucet, begging me not to leave her.

I saw passion. Deep emotional capacity. Modesty. Willingness to submit. Real fear of losing me. Until that moment, I really didn’t know I meant so much to her. I didn’t leave her. It brought us closer together.

Some might say ”she manipulated you by crying”. Nah. A man with enough experience can tell the difference. Not all tears are manipulative but there’s a reason women try to use manipulative tears: Men respond to real tears.

The corollary of course:

Cut out the fake tears. If you cry to manipulate and play the victim, you won’t respect the man who falls for it, and you will piss off the man who doesn’t.

Cook, clean, sew. Fill the feminine void in a man’s life. If he loses a button, you say I can fix that for you. You always have a new recipe you want him to try. You bake him and his friends chocolate chip cookies just because. Your first reaction when you go to his place isn’t to plop on the couch, it is to clean the kitchen.

Be sunshine. Brooding men are hot. Brooding women look infertile. Starting today, your default emotion is happiness. Your default facial expression is a smile. You treat people pleasantly and sweetly. You do not make sarcastic jokes. You laugh at other people’s jokes. You giggle. You don’t engage in serious or negative conversations. You are a ray of sunshine and you do not care if people who are less happy judge you for being happy.

Earn trust. There’s sexual trust, and there’s verbal trust. You need to earn both. For one, he needs to know you won’t sleep around on him. One way to show this is by not sleeping with him too fast. Men instinctively know that girls who spread their legs quickly for them spread their legs quickly for other men as well. He also needs to know you won’t spill any secret he tells you in confidence. This is, I believe, the rarest quality for a girl to have. I’m not sure I’ve ever fully trusted a girl in this regard, not even my own mother. If you are a trustworthy girl who does not gossip you are worth your weight in princess cut diamonds.

Avoid projection at all costs. Women are attracted to leadership, humor, status and ambition in their men, so some girls falsely believe they can attract men by being ambitious and status-driven. This does not work. The feminine attracts the masculine. To attract a man, do not act like a man.
I’m not just being hard on you here, girls. Men are guilty of projection as well. Beta males want girls to be devoted and emotional towards them, so they give out their emotions and devotion easily. Men are very attracted to looks so we end up with chest-shaving metrosexuals. Men are just as guilty of projection in this area as women.

A word on clinginess. If a guy thinks you’re ”clingy”, he’s just not that into you. Remember Vince Vaughn in Wedding Crashers alerting of a ”Stage 5 Virgin Clinger”? This was a problem because he wanted to fuck her and leave her as soon as possible. If your goal is to be fucked and chucked, then by all means present yourself as time-free pussy. If not, cling a little. Take some intiative in texting him. Give a little PDA. Show him you want to spend time with him.

I’m not saying become an obsessive stalker, but when a man is looking for a girlfriend, a little clinginess is much better than the alternative. Players don’t want the emotional commitment that clinginess signals. Boyfriend material does. The hotter a guy thinks you are and the more he wants to keep you around, the less of a problem your clinginess is.

Go forth and girlify.

Man, I miss that from the girls I dated around a decade ago. Recently, I was dating a 20 year old, and one time, while waiting for me, had picked up some cloth and thread. She said she was embroidering handkerchief's for people.

It broke my heart more than anything else that she never did that for me. Something similar happened with another young gal after her.

Then I dissed a plate that did some of these things, but I couldn't handle her overbearing personality and subdued clinginess. Sometimes, I think that I've changed, that my beta behavior in the past triggered this in girls. But, no, looking back, it was always when they feared losing me the most, or when we went three or more times in the sack on a regular basis.

The girls have changed, and in only a short time- the span of my dating life.

Post: #38

http://www.balleralert.com/- Specifically how to trap or get sponsored by athletes and entertainers

Post: #39

rooshvforum.com

Just don't do or fail to do anything we complain about.

Post: #40

http://www.elephantjournal.com/elephant-...tionships/

Some women love that type of stuff.

Post: #41

I'm not sure there's a website that instructs girls to give blowjobs and cook food.

Post: #42

(03-10-2015 02:00 AM)Hades Wrote:  I'm not sure there's a website that instructs girls to give blowjobs and cook food.

dangerandplay.com

Post: #43

To OP,

Don't listen to these dudes. Any chick can be a door mat.

If a chick is trying to snare a high quality guy, the mainstream sites for women are very good at indoctrinating women into the proper behaviors that will bewilder and entangle most guys. The real practical stuff will be in the forums.

A better question is why hasn't the chick learned from her girlfriends.

WIA

Post: #44

(03-10-2015 03:51 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  To OP,

Don't listen to these dudes. Any chick can be a door mat.

If a chick is trying to snare a high quality guy, the mainstream sites for women are very good at indoctrinating women into the proper behaviors that will bewilder and entangle most guys. The real practical stuff will be in the forums.

A better question is why hasn't the chick learned from her girlfriends.

WIA

It's a lot more complicated than that.

Just being the "opposite" of what we talk about here isn't effective enough. She has done quite a bit of self improvement that would make all of us impressed from lifting (legit lifting), to dieting, and wardrobe improvements.

While we have our own valid complaints about women, there's more to healthy relationships than just being thin, cooking, and being a doormat (which being a doormat isn't the mark of a healthy relationship).

The other half is less discussed here. What does it take for a woman to be charming? How does one work towards fulfilling the first mate role of the captain/first mate dynamic? These are lessons that come from being around good father figures not from other "girlfriends" who are just as un-charming and unhelpful.

I asked her this question, "How did you charm your father when you wanted something from him?"

Her answer, "I never did. I always had to go to my mother."

That is the root of the problem right there. The red pill woman reddit so far has been the resource I am looking for. This is the sort of stuff a girl would have learned in a finishing school in the early 20th century.

Post: #45

Sure there is. Just go to Jezebel.com and do exactly the opposite of what they suggest.

Post: #46

In all honesty OP, I don't think you understand your friends dilemma.
Maybe I don't get it either. But the self improvement stuff is self serving to the guys suggesting it. And RPW is Cosmopolitan with a different heading.

Here is a typical Red Pill Woman post -

http://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/com...ould_i_do/

TLR; - some shit happens in her life, she takes it out on him, and now he wants space from her.

"How do I manipulate my LTR?" is how all of these posts should read.

compare that to the mainstream.

   

What those women do not realize is that learning to manipulate their partners is not going to make them happy and fulfilled.

If a shipmate can regularly pull a fast one on the captain, who's the captain?

She needs a captain, and as I think about it now, there aren't really sites to help a chick find men who have those sort of behavioral traits, because no Western woman wants to think of herself as a subordinate. And because no chick wants to think of herself that way, people don't write for it.

There's plenty of information on how to manipulate though.

WIA

(03-10-2015 08:43 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 03:51 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  To OP,

Don't listen to these dudes. Any chick can be a door mat.

If a chick is trying to snare a high quality guy, the mainstream sites for women are very good at indoctrinating women into the proper behaviors that will bewilder and entangle most guys. The real practical stuff will be in the forums.

A better question is why hasn't the chick learned from her girlfriends.

WIA

It's a lot more complicated than that.

Just being the "opposite" of what we talk about here isn't effective enough. She has done quite a bit of self improvement that would make all of us impressed from lifting (legit lifting), to dieting, and wardrobe improvements.

While we have our own valid complaints about women, there's more to healthy relationships than just being thin, cooking, and being a doormat (which being a doormat isn't the mark of a healthy relationship).

The other half is less discussed here. What does it take for a woman to be charming? How does one work towards fulfilling the first mate role of the captain/first mate dynamic? These are lessons that come from being around good father figures not from other "girlfriends" who are just as un-charming and unhelpful.

I asked her this question, "How did you charm your father when you wanted something from him?"

Her answer, "I never did. I always had to go to my mother."

That is the root of the problem right there. The red pill woman reddit so far has been the resource I am looking for. This is the sort of stuff a girl would have learned in a finishing school in the early 20th century.

Post: #47

(03-09-2015 08:41 AM)FANATICAL Wrote:  There is a roosh equivalent for stripers where they discuss how to rinse men better.... Can't remember the name but maybe someone else knows the one I'm talking about.

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/forumd...Hustle-Hut

Post: #48

Great work.... Reading those threads is sobering..... Bitches be ruthless