Post: #126

Nevertheless, I still judge them all as individuals first and will make no assumptions until given a reason to. I was just looking something up about hiphop and came across this picture of the late, lovely Lisa "left eye" Lopez from TLC. Black women can be fucking beautiful. Those eyes and lips of hers were divine. Just keepin' hope alive!

Post: #127

(06-07-2011 11:52 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Nevertheless, I still judge them all as individuals first and will make no assumptions until given a reason to. I was just looking something up about hiphop and came across this picture of the late, lovely Lisa "left eye" Lopez from TLC. Black women can be fucking beautiful. Those eyes and lips of hers were divine. Just keepin' hope alive!

You're right. Black women really can be very beautiful.

Just remember that they can be just as(quite likely more, on average) beautiful in Nigeria, East Africa, Jamaica, Trinidad, Northern Brazil, Choco Colombia and South Africa, while going easier on your pocket and carrying a lot less attitude. Black american women can look ok sometimes, but so do the other 500 Million+ Black women on Earth, and they often do it with much more grace.

Just sayin'...

Post: #128

Exactly. Don't forget dominican republic,cuba, panama, coastal ecuador, Ghana, kenya,...the list goes on...and on

Post: #129

(06-07-2011 11:11 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  Amen, rakishness nailed it here. Black american women are the least likely among all women in the country to enter into an interracial relationship. Therefore when they do get with another race, the same standards don't apply. This isn't a thread about guys who are bitter about not being able to attract black american females. (I'm not, I have been with them in the past, I just wisely choose not to do so now) That's not the issue, it's the fact that they are a unique breed and are a GROUP que no valen la pena = that aren't worth it. Houston, your obviously from texas and i will admit that black women there can have slightly better attitudes. But as someone who's observed them from the east coast, midwest, "dirtysouth" and west coast, I have a somewhat broader scope of experience and know this is a nation wide thing.

I am seeing a lot of black women dating white guys here in Toronto. It's a growing endemic and so my connects in London are saying the same thing.

There is a large amount of black women in Amsterdam dating white guys (particularly amongst Ghanian women). Maybe it's because Ghanian women have a thing for white guys and also maybe because Dutch white guys are generally the Adonis of white guys (very tall and strong) so there is no much of a loss that black women normally incur when stepping outside of their race.

Chris Rock said something very interesting that I think bears clarity on why black women generally don't date outside of their race.
He said it's because they are not generally attracted to non-black guys. That's why they gripe and complain when they see black guys dating non black women.

Post: #130

Yeah I know. It's wayyyy more common outside the U.S. Everything I said about black women was U.S. specific.

Post: #131

Interesting food for thought:

http://bit.ly/aH4As2

Post: #132

(06-08-2011 02:13 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Interesting food for thought:

http://bit.ly/aH4As2

+1, very good article. I honestly can't find anything to disagree with save for his discussion of the "myth" of black women being fatter (in Black America, that isn't a myth-its reality). Otherwise, its dead on.

The rest of the site is quite an interesting read as well.

Post: #133

(06-08-2011 08:51 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  The rest of the site is quite an interesting read as well.

The author of that blog is a Jamaican too, thought you mind find that interesting. He has great insights on women, travel, life and all kinds of stuff. He claims an IQ of 180, IIRC.

Post: #134

THIS IS A BLACK WOMAN THAT I WOULD MARRY (well...maybe) but damn sure keep as my #1, they really need to figure out a way to clone her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ0xH28YL...r_embedded

Fine, sexy, smart and feminine.

Post: #135

(06-08-2011 10:02 PM)txbeachbum Wrote:  THIS IS A BLACK WOMAN THAT I WOULD MARRY (well...maybe) but damn sure keep as my #1, they really need to figure out a way to clone her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ0xH28YL...r_embedded

Fine, sexy, smart and feminine.

Decent looking, but I don't like short hair on women at all. She has a great attitude though. A rarity for a black American woman.

Post: #136

(06-08-2011 10:02 PM)txbeachbum Wrote:  THIS IS A BLACK WOMAN THAT I WOULD MARRY (well...maybe) but damn sure keep as my #1, they really need to figure out a way to clone her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ0xH28YL...r_embedded

Fine, sexy, smart and feminine.

All she needs to do is pass my income and credit score requirements and I would take her.

Post: #137

(06-09-2011 08:57 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

(06-08-2011 10:02 PM)txbeachbum Wrote:  THIS IS A BLACK WOMAN THAT I WOULD MARRY (well...maybe) but damn sure keep as my #1, they really need to figure out a way to clone her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ0xH28YL...r_embedded

Fine, sexy, smart and feminine.

All she needs to do is pass my income and credit score requirements and I would take her.

Lol what are the requirements...

Post: #138

Athlone McGinnis ' Wrote:  Here is the core of my actual argument and the root of my contentions:

(06-06-2011 04:47 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  My contention from the very beginning has been as follows: black women are the most hypergamous female group within the US, are generally(read: most commonly) intolerant of "nice guys" and "softness", and the "bad boy" phenomenon is extremely exaggerated within Black American culture, where hip hop predominates. I have also noted, in response to UrbanNerd, that most of what I'm saying applies most strongly to younger black women(under 30) who have not yet gone far past their prime(at which point they are forced to reconsider their views on men in light of declining sexual market value).

Do you disagree? If you think this is wrong, then why? Citing my background does not constitute a legitimate rebuttal-that is ad-hominem and thus a form of logical fallacy, no matter how you phrase it or justify it. If my claims truly are incorrect, then it follows that they would be logically unstable-exposing this illogic would not be difficult in such a scenario, and would be the proper course of action in a debate.

If you disagree with my claims, all I ask is that you deconstruct them logically. If you're unable to do this, then I am clearly correct and you're better off just conceding the point.

That's all I'm saying.

As for degrees of "hoodratism", I agree that things vary, but my overall contention is that the concentration of said traits within the current generation of black america in the aggregate is higher than in other groups.

Like I said before, you had me at "Hello" Brah. I grew up in hood so I have a slightly different perspective. It's all a question of semantics to me. You say the problem is Black American women, I say the problem are those damn hoodrats. Now the question is what % of sistas are hoodrats but that's a debate for another day. I am convinced that hoodrats are the root of all evil in the Black community, I can guaranteed you that behind every other shooting in the hood a hoodrat is involved somehow, somewhere.

At least in NYC I disagree with you that immigrant Black chicks are any better. Some of the biggest fattest, disgusting, loudest, double Dick cloutching hoodrats I have ever seen have actually been FOB West Indian. Again I can only talk about NYC but I dare anybody to go to any west Indian and /or African club or social gathering and find even one chick whose above a 4 and isn't fat. Furthermore, Hoodratism is an Equal Opportunity virus, you literally see it now from all hues, nationality, and creeds no bitch is immune. But I digress, about Black women and materialism, I don't really agree with that either even when it comes to hoodrats. If that was true then taking sistas to "Shrimp Lovers Tuesday" at Red Lobster and buying them a Boost Mobile phones would be all it takes to get laid like a champ in the hood. But we all can agree that tricks get almost no ass in the hood unless the chick is a bonefide prostitute. If you look closely to whose getting all the ass in the hood, it ain't really the local dope boy or the stick up kids but the pretty boy with "good hair" whose 30 and lives with his mom. I will go as far as saying that Black thugs get way less ass than they would have gotten if they were White "bad boyz" I know quite a few of them, none of them are fucking even ahoodrat pieces. They have all been reduced to fucking grenades with 3 kids for 3 squares and a cot. Like Tariq Nasheed said, "that ain't mackish"

Post: #139

(06-09-2011 11:43 AM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  Like I said before, you had me at "Hello" Brah. I grew up in the hood so I have a slightly different perspective. It's all a question of semantics to me. You say the problem is Black American women, I say the problem are those damn hoodrats. Now the question is what % of sistas are hoodrats but that's a debate for another day. I am convinced that hoodrats are the root of all evil in the Black community, I can guaranteed you that behind every other shooting in the hood a hoodrat is involved somehow, somewhere.

At least in NYC I disagree with you that immigrant Black chicks are any better. Some of the biggest fattest, disgusting, loudest, double Dick cloutching hoodrats I have ever seen have actually been FOB West Indian. Again I can only talk about NYC but I dare anybody to go to any west Indian and /or African club or social gathering and find even one chick whose above a 4 and isn't fat. Furthermore, Hoodratism is an Equal Opportunity virus, you literally see it now from all hues, nationality, and creeds no bitch is immune. But I digress, about Black women and materialism, I don't really agree with that either even when it comes to hoodrats. If that was true then taking sistas to "Shrimp Lovers Tuesday" at Red Lobster and buying them a Boost Mobile phones would be all it takes to get laid like a champ in the hood. But we all can agree that tricks get almost no ass in the hood unless the chick is a bonefide prostitute. If you look closely to whose getting all the ass in the hood, it ain't really the local dope boy or the stick up kids but the pretty boy with "good hair" whose 30 and lives with his mom. I will go as far as saying that Black thugs get way less ass than they would have gotten if they were White "bad boyz" I know quite a few of them, none of them are fucking even ahoodrat pieces. They have all been reduced to fucking grenades with 3 kids for 3 squares and a cot. Like Tariq Nasheed said, "that ain't mackish"

[email protected] grenades! What is a grenade exactly?

On a less jovial note, you make some valid points in regards to what percentage of black American females are actually hoodrats.

In regards to the good hair..are lizards still on that in this day and age? 21st century deep and they still concerned about that paperbag theory??? So guys looking like Rick Fox are still slaughtering chocolate lizards all day every day in the US, generally speaking?

On a side note, are educated black females also as hypergamous as studies show?

For instance, if a guy went out to an event in Atlanta i.e black lawyers or a black doctors event, where you have a high congregation of successful well to do black people, do the women still seek the same ridiculous qualities in their men?

Again, I have never worked or lived extensively (on my own) in the US so I am unable to offer an accurate analysis to this American perspective.

I can see where Athlone is coming from. I've always been a studious cat. I saw lots of no good cats growing up and by 16 (the time in the UK were mandatory education ended) a lot of these cats would be already doing bird for gun and/or drug charges.
Being intelligent and interested in a lizard's mind got me nothing worth writing home about.

I used to seethe watching some coca-cola bottle shaped dyme being escorted into the flats by some rizla rolling, avirex jacket toting hoodlum who would sneered at my efforts in procuring my GCSE's.
At the end of the day, educated or not, we all have the same needs and I wanted to pound out some puddy.

So how did I deal with this? For the intellectual type as myself, I would merely go to an area where I was a novelty (even if I was targeting the sistas). London is saturated with blacks and lots of dudes hollaring incessantly. As a result, a lizard's head is inflated and you need to come with a whole lot of extra for a whole lot of less (similar to the DC male residents's complaints).

Going to other areas resulted in much easier lays. The sistas were a lot more keen for attention and were willing to be a lot more accomodating to procure a partner.

If one cannot travel, play the part as much as you can.

Even though I am not and I have NEVER been a bad boy (UK style), I know how a bad boy behaves. I've seen them growing up and I can impersonate them if need be.
So, one summer, I had enough. I rocked some fake jewellery, threw on the wife beater and I went in with the perma scowl. The tone of voice. The swagger. The blatant and obvious objectification of the target.

Results?

It was a joy/pain revelation. The joy was, I had pussy flowing like River Jordan. The pain and sadness was that I had to resort to that to address a basic human need where as being myself, a kind loving human being was invalid?

My advice to Athlone

So, dear Athlone, your passion seems to stem from that anger from being ignored as a high school nerd which still stems today into your twenties.
My advice to you is, you won't be able to change the situation no matter how angry you get.

By the time your target audience (the black American females) listen to your information, they will have already hit their sellby date (too old, damaged goods, oodles of children and enough baby father drama to script a saga).
The only people that can influence the fertile hoodrats are the men with deemed power around them.
Those men are the thugs or guys with good hair.
They don't care about your message because they eat whenever they want as much as they want (fcuk all the hoodrats and exhaust all sexual fantasies with them).
It's a bit like advising Dwight Howard on the art of catching an alley. He will smile and shut you out mentally since he catches alleys whenever he wants.

Bottom line is, I'm not sure there's anything that can be done.

Post: #140

(06-09-2011 11:43 AM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  Like I said before, you had me at "Hello" Brah. I grew up in hood so I have a slightly different perspective. It's all a question of semantics to me. You say the problem is Black American women, I say the problem are those damn hoodrats. Now the question is what % of sistas are hoodrats but that's a debate for another day. I am convinced that hoodrats are the root of all evil in the Black community, I can guaranteed you that behind every other shooting in the hood a hoodrat is involved somehow, somewhere.

Alright, so the question is how many black women are:

A. Actual hoodrats
B. Wannabe hoodrats(don't live in the hood, but behave/influenced by that culture, mimic it).

My contention is that these two groups constitute a large majority in the Black US, and I think there's some legitimate basis to that claim.

Quote:At least in NYC I disagree with you that immigrant Black chicks are any better. Some of the biggest fattest, disgusting, loudest, double Dick cloutching hoodrats I have ever seen have actually been FOB West Indian.

Alright, I buy it. Rihanna is one of the ultimate examples of some of the negative traits I outlined in all those posts(thug worship especially), and she was FOB from Barbados, not a born and raised African American.

West Indians are not a garden of eden for avoiding this mentality, I'll concede that.

Your chances do improve significantly, though.

Quote:But I digress, about Black women and materialism, I don't really agree with that either even when it comes to hoodrats. If that was true then taking sistas to "Shrimp Lovers Tuesday" at Red Lobster and buying them a Boost Mobile phones would be all it takes to get laid like a champ in the hood. But we all can agree that tricks get almost no ass in the hood unless the chick is a bonefide prostitute. If you look closely to whose getting all the ass in the hood, it ain't really the local dope boy or the stick up kids but the pretty boy with "good hair" whose 30 and lives with his mom. I will go as far as saying that Black thugs get way less ass than they would have gotten if they were White "bad boyz" I know quite a few of them, none of them are fucking even ahoodrat pieces. They have all been reduced to fucking grenades with 3 kids for 3 squares and a cot. Like Tariq Nasheed said, "that ain't mackish"

I'll defer to your experience here, but I'd like to outline the trends that particularly worry me. This is not a hard argument I'm making, just a theory/concern of mine which I'll outline.

http://www.balleralert.com/

Its got over 7000 members, millions of regular lurkers/viewers, thousands of posts, etc, etc. By far the largest groupie/golddigger website in existance. Sure, there are a host of other sites("SugarBaby4U", SugarDaddyPersonals", etc) with similar intent, but none are as well known or as large.

The groupie phenomenon today seems to center around the black community(NBA, NFL, Hip Hop). It used to be a primarily white rock star issue, but now it seems the most visible signs of it have to do with black women seeking men in those aforementioned fields.

Why is that? My theory: There seems to be a higher focus on "stuntin", showing off, and affluent promiscuity within modern black American culture. This is why we see such a more visible female presence in modern rap videos as opposed to the average rock music vid. It might also be why we see more "groupies" in these fields.

That's just a rough theory, however, and I won't hold hard to it right now or try and make a hard claim as to black female materialism yet. I'll need to know a lot more first.

Others will probably claim that this all seems more visible because the media just focuses more on groupies in those fields, which is also a plausible theory.

Post: #141

Quote:alright, so the question is how many black
women are:
A. Actual hoodrats
B. Wannabe hoodrats(don't live in the hood, but
behave/influenced by that culture, mimic it).
My contention is that these two groups
constitute a large majority in the Black US, and I
think there's some legitimate basis to that claim

We need to narrow this down even more, since nobody in this forum should be fucking subpar females. The better question is what % of sistas who are above a 5 in looks are hoodrats. It's hard to determine this with scientific certainly because venue selection and neighborhood can skew the results. A wacka Flacka concert may have 100% hoodrats while a "Roots" or "Common" concert might have none. Both fall under the "Hip Hop" umbrella but target different demographics. But on the other side of the coin most fat Black chicks are hoodrats. I can count with 1 hand the number of times that I have met a chubby Black chick without a fucked up attitude but I meet 5 and above with pleasant attitudes all the time. So since most Black women are obese, you are right, chances are that most Black women have hoodrat tendencies.

Quote:alright, I buy it. Rihanna is one of the ultimate
examples of some of the negative traits I
outlined in all those posts(thug worship
especially), and she was FOB from Barbados,
not a born and raised African American.
West Indians are not a garden of eden for
avoiding this mentality, I'll concede that.
Your chances do improve significantly, though.

The problem with using entertainers as examples is that we don't know who they really are. Which begs the question is Rie a hoodrat? I don't think so, although she sings about fucking thugs all the time, the guys she's been associAted with are the farthest from screaming "Thug Life" Drake doesn't rhyme about gun play at all or the trap life. Also, before Christ Brown put a foot in her ass he had a squeaky clean image( he made a song with Elmo for chirst sakes) which made his gorilla pimping the most surprising. Jennifer Lopez most fits the description of a hoodrat than does Rhiana(watch her "Behind the Music" episode to see what I am talking about).

Another problem with using contemporary Black artist as scapegoats for the Black condition is that most of the biggest consumers of Black music are actually White. So if Brothers are shooting each other in Newark because Whiz Khalifa made them to do it, then why isn't Jimmy doing the same thing up in Idaho? I agree Brothers doing dumb nigga shit has to stop but that isn't lil wayne's fault.

With regards to West Indian women, the difference between them and AA in terms of weight, looks, and attitude isn't as stark as to choose one over the other. Other than the accent the average guy will not even know there's a difference.

Quote:The groupie phenomenon today seems to center
around the black community(NBA, NFL, Hip
Hop). It used to be a primarily white rock star
issue, but now it seems the most visible signs of
it have to do with black women seeking men in
those aforementioned fields.
Why is that? My theory: There seems to be a
higher focus on "stuntin", showing off, and
affluent promiscuity within modern black
American culture. This is why we see such a
more visible female presence in modern rap
videos as opposed to the average rock music
vid. It might also be why we see more
"groupies" in these fields.
That's just a rough theory, however, and I won't
hold hard to it right now or try and make a hard
claim as to black female materialism yet. I'll
need to know a lot more first.
Others will probably claim that this all seems
more visible because the media just focuses
more on groupies in those fields, which is also a
plausible theory.

Groupies aren't a "Black" phenomenon. Groupies are alive and well in the White community. Check out TmZ or White celebrity magazines every other story is about some chick bragging about fucking someone famous. Shiiiiit, Jesus himself had them. Women have been chasing high status males since the beginning of time. Even Roosh has groupies. Status is to women what big tits and ass is to fellas. I think this is more an American thing where everyone is just obsessed with celebrity.

Post: #142

(06-09-2011 03:33 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  Also, before Christ Brown put a foot in her ass he had a squeaky clean image( he made a song with Elmo for chirst sakes) which made his gorilla pimping the most surprising.

LMFAO, too funny.

Post: #143

(06-09-2011 03:33 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  We need to narrow this down even more, since nobody in this forum should be fucking subpar females. The better question is what % of sistas who are above a 5 in looks are hoodrats. It's hard to determine this with scientific certainly because venue selection and neighborhood can skew the results. A wacka Flacka concert may have 100% hoodrats while a "Roots" or "Common" concert might have none. Both fall under the "Hip Hop" umbrella but target different demographics. But on the other side of the coin most fat Black chicks are hoodrats. I can count with 1 hand the number of times that I have met a chubby Black chick without a fucked up attitude but I meet 5 and above with pleasant attitudes all the time. So since most Black women are obese, you are right, chances are that most Black women have hoodrat tendencies.

We pretty much agree then.

Quote:The problem with using entertainers as examples is that we don't know who they really are. Which begs the question is Rie a hoodrat? I don't think so, although she sings about fucking thugs all the time, the guys she's been associAted with are the farthest from screaming "Thug Life"

I think that Rihanna is a pretty good example of the second group of females I outlined earlier in my previous post. She isn't a hoodrat, but appears heavily influenced by that culture and mimics some of their behavior quite well (i.e. pathological thug worship in her music).

Quote:Drake doesn't rhyme about gun play at all or the trap life. Also, before Christ Brown put a foot in her ass he had a squeaky clean image( he made a song with Elmo for chirst sakes) which made his gorilla pimping the most surprising. Jennifer Lopez most fits the description of a hoodrat than does Rhiana(watch her "Behind the Music" episode to see what I am talking about).

I buy that about Drake, but then again for all we know Chris Brown could have always been a hardass behind the scenes.
And LOL @ "gorilla pimping"

Quote:Another problem with using contemporary Black artist as scapegoats for the Black condition is that most of the biggest consumers of Black music are actually White. So if Brothers are shooting each other in Newark because Whiz Khalifa made them to do it, then why isn't Jimmy doing the same thing up in Idaho? I agree Brothers doing dumb nigga shit has to stop but that isn't lil wayne's fault.

I agree. I believe that the messages/behaviors we see in hip hop are really a symptom of a larger cultural issue, not a cause. These artists are just messengers in a way, indicating other trends(some of which I've been mentioning in this thread).

They do have significant cultural influence as individuals, but they aren't driving larger societal trends. They're resultant of them.

Quote:With regards to West Indian women, the difference between them and AA in terms of weight, looks, and attitude isn't as stark as to choose one over the other. Other than the accent the average guy will not even know there's a difference.

Can't agree with that, man. I have spent enough time in the Caribbean to know that there is a pretty distinct difference in weight (no black Caribbean populace approaches black american obesity rates) and attitude (completely different cultural outlook, significantly more conservative and academically focused on the whole). In fact, statistically, Jamaicans have about half the Black American obesity rate. Live in Jamaica, Barbados, etc. for a while and you will see all of this more clearly as you watch them go about their lives.

I will agree that there are large similarities. Many of the Caribbeans who come here FOB can blend in very well, many were already obese, and if they've been raised here long enough they can be carbon copies of other black americans attitude-wise. But there is a significant difference between Caribbean and Black-American culture, one that plays out in economics, education and yes, gender relations/dating.

Quote:Groupies aren't a "Black" phenomenon. Groupies are alive and well in the White community. Check out TmZ or White celebrity magazines every other story is about some chick bragging about fucking someone famous. Shiiiiit, Jesus himself had them. Women have been chasing high status males since the beginning of time. Even Roosh has groupies. Status is to women what big tits and ass is to fellas. I think this is more an American thing where everyone is just obsessed with celebrity.

True. Can't disagree with what you're saying here.

Post: #144

(06-06-2011 12:10 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  Concerning American Black women, I think it's pretty much undeniable that they are more attracted to a roughneck guy, than not. Sadly, I think that women of other races that are attracted to black men, are generally looking for that roughneck quality as well. It would stand to reason, since a white girl, who hasn't grown up around black men, yet is attracted to them, has formed her desire for them from what she has seen on television. Since the images of black men on television are predominately thug/jock/player, that must be the personalities she associates with them, and what she finds attractive.

Thank f*** I'm not in the States! Hood mentality is the same where ever you wash up though. Surely it's a form a Darwinism? you need a tough partner to survive in a tough environment.
Aside from hoodrats I find it's ditsy, inexperienced girls not from urban areas that get off baggin a roughneck looking dude the type that would give her grandma a heart attack. Also Asian girls (i.e. Indian/Pakistani) whom were brave enough to date outside their race tended to want the thugged image brother but then a lot of their culture also tended follow in the trail of black culture. Though recently I've seen the beta educated brothers getting in with the equivalent asian girls.

Girls of African and many other Caribbean Islands parentage who've read a book (that didn't involve a crayons and colouring in) aren't so into the gangsterism vybe at all IMHE.

(06-06-2011 02:49 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  That's the dilemma we often find ourselves in. I've gone on dates with black women and find I just can't connect with them. I guess I just don't have enough in common. They aren't used to meeting black guys that don't really listen to hiphop and go backpacking in third world countries. They are more into the type of dude that's into all the club hits, watches NBA religiousless, wears hiphop gear, etc. So then we may hit up girls from other races as an alternative and then race makes things more challenging. It's just small minority of non-black women who will take a black dude seriously, and then of those, you want to try to avoid those who fetishize the thug look. And then like mentioned above, you have the steer clear of the uggs and fatties selecting black men as a last resort.

So in the end, I'm aiming either for black girls that basically act white, or attractive non-black girls who like black guys, but don't fetishize us or the hiphop culture. And don't let anyone ever tell you that race doesn't effect your outcome.

Whilst I totally get where you're coming from, hip hop represents many formats, dumb shit, funny shit, conscientious shit, irreverent shit it's just MTV et al choose to highlight a narrow remit of what it is and and many seem have allowed this to represent our reflection. The idea that, if you don't wear your jeans around your bum cheek and all the other hood characteristics you mentioned means you're not acting black in an insult al la Carlton Banks. The idea that if you've travelled and have worldly experience you're not black is an insult. The idea that you many have interests outside of the MTV defined norms means you're not black is a divide and conquer mentality that is of little help and needs reversing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU8Gx1tSYa0

(06-07-2011 03:26 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  After all this discussion, I think Athlone is right...

Black American women under 30 do glorify the whole "thug" thing too much.

And Black American men under 30 also glorify the whole "thug" thing too much.

In fact, the whole Hip Hop culture glorifies the "thug" shit too much.

But its not just Hip Hop culture that glorifies "thug shit".

Go to the hood anywhere around the world. Its the same.

In Brazil they say..."the more guns you have, the more girls you have"

In Mexico and Colombia, the prettiest women are often dating gangsters.

Italian mafia guys are always very popular with the ladies.

Russian women may require more "alpha tough guy" shit then even Black American women.

In Eastern Europe the young hot girls consider gangsters to be good catch.

Its not just Black Americans. Thats the way it is in poor gritty areas.

Any women that grows up in a tough environment will admire a tough man.

Again, in terms of "gangster worship"...

Russians women may be worse then Black american women!

But, I do think this is an issue in Black America and hopefully as time goes on the culture can evolve to a more healthy perspective of what a man should be.

And it doesn't help that the mainstream media really promotes and glamorizes this shit too.

I think I see things a little different because I am in California. I think that generally speaking, Black Americans are less "ghetto" here on the West Coast. All the "thug" and "hood" stereotypes are less prevalent out here.

Athlone,

Come experience the West Coast. I think it will make you rethink your theory a little. And you will probably do better with the women, both black and white.

Some good points there but you've got the whole Odd future/Madlib/Das racist/Ugly Duckling 'backpack hip hop' movement that IS NOT about gangsterism. There are so many hot girls in these scenes who overlap with hipster girls. The dudes just rock a pair of Vans and Dickies and AA t shirts and aren't getting their balls busted.

Post: #145

I don't agree with this. I think black women are less concerned with looks than other women; for them, money and status are more important. This makes sense given the income gap between blacks and whites, and it is probably worse in places where gap is bigger. Looks become more important when you can assume that the guys you're running into aren't broke.

Post: #146

We don't have black girls here in AUS, which is a real pity

What are they like in the cot?, been told "Once you go black you never go back"

So whats the mail on them, on the bucket list...

"Lifes about, shooting your load"

Post: #147

My experience is that the length of my hair is a make-or-break factor for black women. In the past I had a typical medium-length, combed, "standard white-guy" hair (non-)style. Black women regarded me as a non-entity.

Then a year or two back I switched to a short-cropped all-over buzzcut. The difference in attention from women of all kinds is noticeable, but particularly so for black women.

Aside from being a more masculine look in general, perhaps it's relevant that black mens' hair doesn't flop over into wavy locks as it grows? Who knows. But it's clear I used to get immediate shoot-downs before the switch, while afterward, I do alright.