Post: #51

(07-26-2015 04:55 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  I live in Moscow, if any of you have any questions feel free to pm me; I might be able to help.

Having read this thread, I'd be a fool to ever get married before visiting Moscow.

However, how does St Petersburg's women compare to Moscow's. I'd guess St Petersburg is culturally more European.

Post: #52

(07-26-2015 05:06 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 04:55 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  I live in Moscow, if any of you have any questions feel free to pm me; I might be able to help.

Having read this thread, I'd be a fool to ever get married before visiting Moscow.

However, how does St Petersburg's women compare to Moscow's. I'd guess St Petersburg is culturally more European.

My report on SP. /thread-49204.html

Good girls for LTR.
Meet them during the day.
Nightlife is not good.
If you have time, patience, and good Daygame skills then head to SP.

Post: #53

(07-26-2015 05:06 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 04:55 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  I live in Moscow, if any of you have any questions feel free to pm me; I might be able to help.

Having read this thread, I'd be a fool to ever get married before visiting Moscow.

However, how does St Petersburg's women compare to Moscow's. I'd guess St Petersburg is culturally more European.

Hmmm I can't really talk about St Petersburg women. Best to ask DaveR about that. Most of my business, work and travels including experience with women have been based around Moscow.

I don't believe there will be a substantial difference, although from what I gather St Petes women are meant to be more laid back and European. I am not speaking in a negative sense. Moscow can be a very stressful city, especially for women. Its very common for them to go overseas to get pregnant. I.e. taking a vacation with their husband, boyfriend outside the city or in another country to get pregnant.

It is defiantly a country for older men in general, I mean the culture here I would say is more mature. In terms of dating, I have always looked a lot older than I actually am and I don't have any problem meeting women here. Actually they are surprised when I tell them how young I actually am.

Post: #54

(07-26-2015 02:43 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 05:06 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 04:55 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  I live in Moscow, if any of you have any questions feel free to pm me; I might be able to help.

Having read this thread, I'd be a fool to ever get married before visiting Moscow.

However, how does St Petersburg's women compare to Moscow's. I'd guess St Petersburg is culturally more European.

Hmmm I can't really talk about St Petersburg women. Best to ask DaveR about that. Most of my business, work and travels including experience with women have been based around Moscow.

I don't believe there will be a substantial difference, although from what I gather St Petes women are meant to be more laid back and European. I am not speaking in a negative sense. Moscow can be a very stressful city, especially for women. Its very common for them to go overseas to get pregnant. I.e. taking a vacation with their husband, boyfriend outside the city or in another country to get pregnant.

It is defiantly a country for older men in general, I mean the culture here I would say is more mature. In terms of dating, I have always looked a lot older than I actually am and I don't have any problem meeting women here. Actually they are surprised when I tell them how young I actually am.

Huh? What do you mean by going overseas to get pregnant? Unlike Hispanic or African immigrants I am not seeing Russians fleeing to the west to get pregnant. Also, if Moscow is stressful to women I really did not experience that during my trip. On the contrary I saw ton's of women in clubs being dined and wined by their Russian boyfriends. On the roads every other Range Rover I spotted on the inner circle road had a hot babe driving it. On the streets women were dressed to the max and I did not feel any major unemployment issues for females. So, can you expand on your comment?

Post: #55

(07-28-2015 10:40 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Also, if Moscow is stressful to women I really did not experience that during my trip. On the contrary I saw ton's of women in clubs being dined and wined by their Russian boyfriends. On the roads every other Range Rover I spotted on the inner circle road had a hot babe driving it. On the streets women were dressed to the max and I did not feel any major unemployment issues for females. So, can you expand on your comment?

Moscow is insanely stressful on the typical woman from what I can gather. Had a girlfriend visit me from my trip to Moscow this month and I took her to the Dr. here in California to get pills she can't get in Russia for panic attacks. She talks about the stress of life her and her friends have (21-24). You were spending time in the high rent district from what I remember. Normal girls have to really push themselves to get ahead.

Post: #56

(07-28-2015 11:56 PM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  Moscow is insanely stressful on the typical woman from what I can gather. Had a girlfriend visit me from my trip to Moscow this month and I took her to the Dr. here in California to get pills she can't get in Russia for panic attacks. She talks about the stress of life her and her friends have (21-24). You were spending time in the high rent district from what I remember. Normal girls have to really push themselves to get ahead.

I didnt meet many girls with mental problems. Quite rare here, compared to other countries in the West.
But I once spoke with a woman about her depression, she said she can easily get all the pills she need from Apoteka, no need for receipts (which is a cool fact for foreigners without local insurance, you just go there and they sell you almost any stuff).

Typical myths about Moscow: too many homeless people, too many alcoholics and gopniks. The reality: I see more of them in the West than here. Plus, you see cops everywhere nowadays in Moscow and, as tripple G said, you see a lot of richies driving around in their Rovers or Bentleys. You can not alpha them out with money. You have to use other weapons: charm, swag etc.

Another myth is that the women are poor students desperate for a rich western man. The reality: many women have 2 higher educations (usually law and then any other stuf. Or economy and any other stuff). Their vacations are at top level hotels in the Alps, Seychelles or other exclusive spots.

Post: #57

Some miscellaneous costs:

The Ruble being 1:60 roughly

Haircut: 790
Gym membership per month: 5200
My apartment is running 2,000 dollars in prime location
Drinks at clubs are expensive
I would have a difficult time affording Moscow if the exchange rate was at 1:30

St. Pete is more affordable
Drinks and food are moderately priced
Gym membership per month: 3700
Apartment 60 dollars per night right off Nevsky. I have seen apartments for about 1,000 dollars per month off Nevsky

Post: #58

(04-03-2015 04:45 AM)Akula Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 05:50 PM)JohnDGregory Wrote:  " I did not observe mixed race couples. "
Well actually there are many interracial couples around. But first you must define what is an interracial couple in the eyes of a Russian.
Russia is a multi-ethnical country but it has other understanding of "race" than US Americans.
USA: Caucasian = "white" person
Russia: Caucasian = "black" person (someone who comes from that Region we call Caucasus, for example Azerbaijan or Georgia), specially if this specific person is Muslim.
Only the European Russians (like Putin) are considered "white Russians" per se.
The other day I was in a place called Soho Rooms and I saw many wealthy "Caucasian" (= not white) men with blondinkas, so these were "mixed race couples" in the eyes of the Russian society.
Recently talked with a student from Cuba who is quite dark skinned (but not really "black"), he confirmed to me that the Russians (specially the women) treat him even better than they treat Asian Russians or Caucasian Russians, despite of his obvious skin color.

For the record Soho Rooms is ground zero for sponsor-seeking attractive women & the Russian version of club rats. I'll admit that place is loaded with smokeshows but most of them are either looking for (or with) sponsors or are emi-pros from what I've seen and experienced. Not really a place where you're seeing the typical or average Russian girls.

I have not been to Soho Rooms yet. I was at Siberia, but it was an off night. Is Siberia similar to the way you described Soho Rooms?

Post: #59

(03-01-2015 09:25 PM)TripleG Wrote:  @Dantes, I know you mentioned not doing night life anymore but there must have been at least a lounge/club or two you were able to squeeze in during your trip. Any favorites?

I have had more time to explore nightlife on this trip. My preference is for Daygame but the nightlife here is so alluring. I have been Jagger Bar, Strelka and Gipsy. The clubs are not my scene and I am not into pulling the late nights. Icon, Jagger and Gipsy are good if you are into clubs. I prefer Strelka and Time Out being more low key and an earlier evening.

Post: #60

(03-08-2015 09:06 PM)theVampire Wrote:  Do you see Moscow superior to Kiev in any way as far as gaming 8+'s. Did you see 8+ more often in Moscow? How saturated was that shopping mall?

For talent I rate Kiev higher. Daygame is also more concentrated. I find 8s in Kiev a little more receptive but there are also more semi-pros at night. I am sure they exist in Moscow, but I have not come across them yet.

Post: #61

(07-29-2015 08:04 AM)Dantes Wrote:  I find 8s in Kiev a little more receptive but there are also more semi-pros at night. I am sure they exist in Moscow, but I have not come across them yet.

I also didnt see many Semi-Pros yet, except one time at The Hudson: she was a hot red hair Belarussian (she said she was a student, but I didn't really believe it).
It was hard for me to reject her offer, but this is really not my cup of tea, so i said no thanks.

Post: #62

    This is the parking lot of a 4 stars hotel (and not even one of the most expensive 4 stars) in a rayon, is this normal?
I start to wonder if the pending crisis is really a misfortune and not a "blessing". Perhaps it is time that the local economy get more or less adjusted into reality.

Post: #63

I am concluding a one month stay in Moscow. Moscow is well covered here. Akula's datasheet despite being a few years old is solid gold and one of the best on the Forum. Print this out and use it as a reference.

Some parting comments:

I noticed a drop in talent here in August as compared with July. Many girls go away on vacation and long weekends at their country homes.

The Ruble is approaching 67. Moscow is still expensive, but not a killer. With that said, it is still more expensive than other EE cities I have been to.

Uber is cheap and will be your best friend when hitting bars and clubs.

Fortunately, I had no safety issues. Respect their culture and refrain from discussing Ukraine and the sanctions. Nothing will be gained from participating in these discussions. I emphasize my interest in Russian history and culture then change the topic.

If you stay anywhere in the first ring, you will be able to set up dates right by your metro stop. Girls love hanging out in the "center". Find a good bar close to your apartment with a reasonable wine selection. Take control from the onset and order two glasses of wine of your choosing.

As for young professional women, they seem to make between 500 and 800 dollars per month. They either live with their families or share an apartment outside the center with friends. They have been the most difficult to crack for me. College age girls have been easier.

Most of the girls I met have been through Daygame, but there are ample opportunities for online and Nightgame.

Always lead the interaction. Do you research and choose the date spot. Have a few backups in case the place is too crowded.

Girls can drink with a preference for wine or cocktails.

The biggest barrier has been the language (no surprise here).

Also, girls that I approached who are in LTRs seemed to be faithful. I have heard contrary tales from locals, but I did not observe this.

As for the topic of a "country for old men"...there are certainly opportunities for the older player. However, I can't say for certain when you factor in cost and visa hassles that it is better here than say Ukraine or other EE cities.

Finally, a shout out to Unbowed, Courage Reborn, Clint Barton and Cicero. I also met a banned member, but I don't remember his handle.

If you have any specific questions feel free to Pm me.

Post: #64

(07-29-2015 07:43 AM)Dantes Wrote:  St. Pete is more affordable
Drinks and food are moderately priced
Gym membership per month: 3700
Apartment 60 dollars per night right off Nevsky. I have seen apartments for about 1,000 dollars per month off Nevsky

Once winter approaches those apartments will be half that cost. Saint Petersburg also has the same problem with locals being on vacation in August, plus there are many thirsty European and Turkish tourists

Post: #65

(08-20-2015 10:54 AM)fiveminrule Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 07:43 AM)Dantes Wrote:  St. Pete is more affordable
Drinks and food are moderately priced
Gym membership per month: 3700
Apartment 60 dollars per night right off Nevsky. I have seen apartments for about 1,000 dollars per month off Nevsky

Once winter approaches those apartments will be half that cost. Saint Petersburg also has the same problem with locals being on vacation in August, plus there are many thirsty European and Turkish tourists

I wouldn't think this would make a big difference there is so much foot traffic on Nevksy all day (I'm here at the moment) so there are plenty of girls to chase.

Post: #66

(08-20-2015 03:24 PM)EuroSlumming Wrote:  I wouldn't think this would make a big difference there is so much foot traffic on Nevksy all day (I'm here at the moment) so there are plenty of girls to chase.

I second that. Besides, the Russian Gvt. is now making a huge "anti-vacations abroad" campaign, basically they are asking for the people calm down with vacation, but if they do vacation anyway, they should stay in the country for the sake of the local economy. People who used to go to Thailand, France etc. are now going to Sochi, Moscow, Petr, Kali, Baikal etc. instead. And if you are Gossluzhashchiy, like my ex, they pay extra attention where are you flying to.

For us foreigners living in the big cities this is good and bad. It is good if you are walking down the Arbatskaya and an astonishing Tourist from the Urals crosses your way with that special innocent "Talk to me"-smile (Muscovites usually don't do that), and remember she could be in Spain (a real sausage fest infested with British and German male tourists) right now instead. So, this is actually a win.
It can be bad because it could elevate the prices of hotels and flats in such touristic spots like Moscow and Peter.

Post: #67

(07-29-2015 08:04 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 09:06 PM)theVampire Wrote:  Do you see Moscow superior to Kiev in any way as far as gaming 8+'s. Did you see 8+ more often in Moscow? How saturated was that shopping mall?

For talent I rate Kiev higher. Daygame is also more concentrated. I find 8s in Kiev a little more receptive but there are also more semi-pros at night. I am sure they exist in Moscow, but I have not come across them yet.

Man I have thought about this a lot and to me it's still a wash. Every time I'm in Kiev I think Moscow's better and a bit of vice versa. The fact that there are so many more people in Moscow + the increased diversity there tips the scales in Moscow's favor for me. Russia is a much bigger country that Ukraine and basically any young hot girl who wants to get a decent job / make it big (or at least make some ok money) or meet a guy/fall in with the right crowd needs to go to Moscow as it's the economic and political capital of the country. Kiev is similar but in a much smaller way so it's just not the same. There is a ton more $$$s in Moscow too and it's much more of an international place with generally more sophisticated people. Here in Kiev I sometimes feel like it's a glorified village.

Also, Kiev women are a bit guarded sometimes due to the whole "sex tourist" vibe on Kreshatik and Arena (Turks and Italians & other thirsty dudes have been coming to Kiev for hundreds of years).

The club scene is way better in Moscow too.

But all that said, I'd also argue that the average girl in Kiev is probably a bit higher on the scale than Moscow (and most Russians think Ukrainian women are the prettiest).

RE St. Petersburg, yeah it's a bit cheaper than Moscow, sometimes a good bit more, but the women aren't typically as pretty. Sure the top echelon are, but in general you don't get as many beauties flocking there as you do in Moscow. It's still good, but there's also more of a hipster vibe to it and it's also the most European of all Russian cities and filled with tourists in the Summer at least. So to me the locals seemed a little more guarded towards foreigner tourists and I think we on the forum know that "hipsterism" & "tourism" generally tend to make gaming a bit worse and also generally lower the quality of the women (they don't care as much, don't take care of themselves as much, are more manly, etc).

Edit: re "semi-pros" yeah Moscow is full of them too, but they are not as concentrated as in Kiev in Arena or near Kreshatik. Just go to Soho Rooms and you'll see plenty of them

Post: #68

(08-21-2015 01:24 AM)Akula Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 08:04 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 09:06 PM)theVampire Wrote:  Do you see Moscow superior to Kiev in any way as far as gaming 8+'s. Did you see 8+ more often in Moscow? How saturated was that shopping mall?

For talent I rate Kiev higher. Daygame is also more concentrated. I find 8s in Kiev a little more receptive but there are also more semi-pros at night. I am sure they exist in Moscow, but I have not come across them yet.

RE St. Petersburg, yeah it's a bit cheaper than Moscow, sometimes a good bit more, but the women aren't typically as pretty. Sure the top echelon are, but in general you don't get as many beauties flocking there as you do in Moscow. It's still good, but there's also more of a hipster vibe to it and it's also the most European of all Russian cities and filled with tourists in the Summer at least. So to me the locals seemed a little more guarded towards foreigner tourists and I think we on the forum know that "hipsterism" & "tourism" generally tend to make gaming a bit worse and also generally lower the quality of the women (they don't care as much, don't take care of themselves as much, are more manly, etc).

I haven't been to Moscow so I can't comment on that but here in St Pete the actual level on the street is not that high, but because there is such high traffic a cute girl will cross your path eventually and they're general friendly.

The only blowouts I've had are from the real hotties, one gave me an eye roll yesterday and walked off, but this has been the exception.

This morning I was eating breakfast in a cafe and a girl sitting at a nearby table kept looking at me, eventually I said hi, we chatted for a bit then I suggested going for a walk and she said sure why not, she is visiting St Pete from Moscow.
I'm not sure if this kind of forwardness is normal for Moscow girls.

Post: #69

I was in St Pete in early July this year. I thought the quality on the street was quite low and disappointing. It was one of the worst EE cities I've been to in that regard. Flying back to Prague, I noticed a huge increase in attractiveness (with the added bonus of good english ability). I have not been to Moscow, but I can imagine the quality there being much better. But if you are looking for hot girls that can speak English, I would avoid St Pete.

Post: #70

(08-21-2015 05:34 AM)EuroSlumming Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 01:24 AM)Akula Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 08:04 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 09:06 PM)theVampire Wrote:  Do you see Moscow superior to Kiev in any way as far as gaming 8+'s. Did you see 8+ more often in Moscow? How saturated was that shopping mall?

For talent I rate Kiev higher. Daygame is also more concentrated. I find 8s in Kiev a little more receptive but there are also more semi-pros at night. I am sure they exist in Moscow, but I have not come across them yet.

RE St. Petersburg, yeah it's a bit cheaper than Moscow, sometimes a good bit more, but the women aren't typically as pretty. Sure the top echelon are, but in general you don't get as many beauties flocking there as you do in Moscow. It's still good, but there's also more of a hipster vibe to it and it's also the most European of all Russian cities and filled with tourists in the Summer at least. So to me the locals seemed a little more guarded towards foreigner tourists and I think we on the forum know that "hipsterism" & "tourism" generally tend to make gaming a bit worse and also generally lower the quality of the women (they don't care as much, don't take care of themselves as much, are more manly, etc).

I haven't been to Moscow so I can't comment on that but here in St Pete the actual level on the street is not that high, but because there is such high traffic a cute girl will cross your path eventually and they're general friendly.

The only blowouts I've had are from the real hotties, one gave me an eye roll yesterday and walked off, but this has been the exception.

This morning I was eating breakfast in a cafe and a girl sitting at a nearby table kept looking at me, eventually I said hi, we chatted for a bit then I suggested going for a walk and she said sure why not, she is visiting St Pete from Moscow.
I'm not sure if this kind of forwardness is normal for Moscow girls.

This is not out of the ordinary for St. Pete. I had plenty of instant dates. Girls from Moscow who are visiting St. Pete should be your top targets if going for a quick bang.

Cafe game is good in St. Pete.

Post: #71

Many of the girls I met in Russia have poor or no relationships with their fathers whether it be a result of divorce, alcoholism or abandonment. Russia girls are touted for their beauty, intelligence and for being cultured. I am guilty of jumping on the Russian girls bandwagon, for good reason.

A few girls I met seemed to have solid and loving relationships with their fathers, but they were in the minority. I wonder the effects of these fractured relationships on their ability to commit for the long-term. Unfortunately humans tend to seek what is familiar, even the disfunction. Russia/Ukraine veterans feel free to share your experiences on this subject. I am curious if others have experienced any impact of this in relationships with Russian girls.

Post: #72

+1 good report. I'm a little older than you and I'm glad I started learning Russian a few months ago.

Ukraine planned in late spring and perhaps Russia at a later time.

Post: #73

Dantes brings up a good point. It is important to me she comes from a healthy family dynamic.

Post: #74

(01-27-2016 04:30 PM)Dantes Wrote:  Many of the girls I met in Russia have poor or no relationships with their fathers whether it be a result of divorce, alcoholism or abandonment. Russia girls are touted for their beauty, intelligence and for being cultured. I am guilty of jumping on the Russian girls bandwagon, for good reason.

A few girls I met seemed to have solid and loving relationships with their fathers, but they were in the minority. I wonder the effects of these fractured relationships on their ability to commit for the long-term. Unfortunately humans tend to seek what is familiar, even the disfunction. Russia/Ukraine veterans feel free to share your experiences on this subject. I am curious if others have experienced any impact of this in relationships with Russian girls.

I agree completely, I was in a LTR with a girl who's father had died when she was young. I was always skeptical about how she saw me as a man since she grew up with a father, and her mother before her had a husband who died early. I think this can be an advantage for me in one regard. Women tend to be more forgiving of me as a divorced man in Russia. To women, I think they view a man as being off doing his own thing, working or otherwise. They see men coming and going in an out of women's lives and this is culturally acceptable and the norm. I think it was said somewhere on this forum that children also belong to the woman. I have asked my girlfriends about this and they largely agree. Lastly, Russian women will almost put up with almost anything once you break the barrier into a relationship. I have seen some of my friends put up with the biggest losers just to avoid change or being alone.

Source: 6 months Russia, 2 weeks Ukraine.

Post: #75

(01-29-2016 03:21 PM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  I have seen some of my friends put up with the biggest losers just to avoid change or being alone.

I got a chance then!