Post: #51

I'm sure the term second pass has a PUA slang term, but I will break it down just in case there is not one.


The Second Pass is basically a technique you use to throw off the hungry or thirsty look in your eyes when you see a hot chick, in a place you know you can catch her again. You basically walk up or pass by and say "Good Morning", "Hey Hi ya doing!?" My name is xxxx," (wait for her salutation) "Alright, well I gotta run but, I will see you around." My roomate would borrow my bicycle to make it even more convincing that he was just merely friendly with a great smile that seemed to illicit interest. He would toss in an eye wink as he took off as well. Anyway, he would basically just keep it moving and since he had excellent memory, he memorized all these girls names.

Then he would on purpose the next day ride a different direction to the same buildings and repeat with the same thing. On a 3rd or later day, he would make sure to follow a similar path where those same prospects would be around at. He would take the bike sometimes or not. What he would do is when he saw them again, he would say, "Hey Ashley (made up name), what's going on? Headed to class?" Then Ashley would be more warm and receptive with no guard up. She would also remember him because he was riding a bike and not many dudes (at this campus at least) ride bikes. Then he would come direct and then walk in her direction and talk to her and build more conversation. Then he would make an offer. Want to get something to eat, want to kick it sometime, etc. or just keep walking and talking with her until he gets to her destination. Then he would either number close, make out, cop a feel, or dorm room close right there, if that was the destination.

Smooth as glass right?

I taught this to my brother who is a natural and he taught it to all his friends. We named the technique after my roomate "<his first name> Pass", but we all beasted and feasted off that strategy throughout college and beyond. Mind you these were all black women and we all know how game resistant they are. That's why it worked so well on them. The smarter and hotter they were the better it worked. It kept them in confusion because they almost always assumed you were trying to come hollah at them, like 99% of the guys they blow off, but instead you voluntarily excused your own damn self. As if you did not need their phone number or their company.

You can even make your second pass in the same exact day. The point was to not break your stride the second you saw a hot piece of ass and directly open her. The only downside to that was that it looked indecisive, so you need to have a strong confident frame to pull it off. Appearing to be busy that first time can help. My roomate always cautioned that the longer the lapse in time, the stronger it was. Even if they forgot your name, if you remembered theirs, they won't have any guard up whatsoever.

High quality black women's main weapon is that they can smell your thirst. Disarming that weapon is always key for a smooth transition. African women know you are thirsty, but it does not matter as much. They understand how the world works and allow you to spit game casually because they still understand they can say no at anytime. Black women want to break you down before they even decide on you.

I primarily used this on either African women or non-black women and got great results. I got a number from a black 10 once but got nothing past that. Sometimes for whatever weird reason on white girls, they bring that shit up later. Like they say, hey why you leave me like that yesterday, I thought we were gonna talk or something, but you just left. (A shit test right?) Easy to pass that one, but for whatever reason, they would sometimes bring that up...

Other advanced methods you can blend in include the use of props, like the bicycle mentioned above. You can also use humor. On the second pass, you can use negs or whatever and it won't feel like they are being hit on because you walked off before so easily.

One thing to note if you are no longer in college, it is still very useful if you can find a consistent daygame area that makes sense. For example if you work in a big city and there is a lunch area everyone is at, be suited up and make dry run approaches to gauge receptiveness, introduce yourself, and look for marriage rings. You will see them over there again, then go in for the close. You can mix indirect game in there with those to make them look less suspicious because college atmosphere is more meet friendly than adult world can be. Churches, nightclubs, special interests groups, car shows, theme parks, malls, bars, weddings, restaurants, basketball/football games at your alma mater, are just a sample of places I and others I know have been known to use this strategy at.

It has a hard downside, but when it is good it can be great. Over time I feel like it is not as effective as it used to be, like in the late 90s and early 2000, but you could probably say that for alot of game techniques.

NOTE: This is only for daygame mostly. Mixing this with social circle introductions and things of that nature, does not work that well. You have been warned.

Post: #52

(03-18-2015 11:48 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Is it possible to become a Natural? As in, you study the Game consciously whether by reading or by observing human interactions and attempting pickup, with initial failures to the point where you begin to succed with women naturally without thinking about it.

Like learning to drive a car. One day you can drive without thinking about it.

I think Roosh alluded to this in his post, the Myth of the Natural.

No. Once you are technically "game aware" (meaning you understand it from a technique level or perspective), you are no longer a natural. Naturals pick up on social ques and exploit on their own cognizance or trial and error methods. You know this is true based upon the constant reports of people reporting that the naturals they personally knew all had really bad fits or episodes of oneitis.

Even my college roomate had terrible oneitis with his hometown girlfriend he left behind. Dude would be on the phone for HOURS, singing RnB songs to her to cheer her up, begging, and even crying, when she though he was cheating or something. At that same time, girls would come by to visit him and I would have to cover for him and tell them he busy right now. His main gal was a 5 still in highschool. The gals he could pull were nothing less than 7. If I aksed him why he won't just let her go and move on, he would get retarded angry.

High yella 9s were typical for him. He pulled a smoking hot half white one for me to have at one time, but I ended up transferring out and that broke apart. Sad tragic story for another day, but the point remains.

Their "game" is often incomplete. It's like they know an incomplete martial art that excels at one aspect of fighting, however they would fail at sport fighting or self defense and vis versa. They almost never know game full circle.

Just appreciate them for what they can teach you. My roomate could literally clear a dancefloor and could mimic Usher's dance moves. He once got 9 phone numbers at a party doing that. I stopped going to parties with him because my dancing sucked too bad to wing pop locking sessions with him on the floor. So I just borrowed what I could use instead and let the rest go. He taught me not to be so serious all the time as well. I was a bit meatheaded back then. Fighting and playing basketball and getting into very physical streetball games with big dudes like I had a Napoleon complex. He told me I scared away the hoes once after some of them told him on the sidelines, I was cute, because I got into it with some guys. Like you said a few weeks ago about being young, dumb, and full of cum.

Post: #53

Growing up I used to think James Bond was a natural...until I grew up and learned game on my own.
While it's a completely scripted fantasy, the actors have to have some charm to pull it off.

Naturals have talent...just like kids who have natural basketball skills...however the kids who work hard
can often surpass naturals later in life.

Post: #54

(03-17-2015 03:17 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 02:43 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  ^ I have a natural buddy. He relies solely on heavy IOI's. I think I have learned all I can from him by now as I pick things up quickly. At first I started giving into to his philosophy because yes your success rate after the approach is higher after fishing for IOI's.

I have approached way too many women from behind or the side though during day or night game that have been successful where they never saw me coming.

It is an ego protection that I have noticed many naturals have.

I think part of the reason they became naturals is they found a path that worked with little rejection and built on that... to a point, then slow down and stay boxed in to their comfortable game. They don't seek out mentors to push them further because they haven't had to.

That's the experience I had with many so called Naturals. My best friend is an 8-9 in looks with 6'3 - before learning Game most considered him the shit as he approached girls only after massive IOIs and had some natural solid Game he spit that led to many notches.

However after having learned Game consciously it's x times superior with him approaching higher quality lays, not only those that give him strong IOIs. Also he sealed the deal on many girls that previously would have eluded them.

Another point I noticed about one Natural I know is that him being a 7-8 on the looks scale is that he banged mostly 4-5s with the occasional 6. Very rarely did he reach a 7 or 8 due to some of his "natural" limitations of Game.

I don't discount many guys, but I frankly cannot even imagine any natural guy out there who can match a master of conscious Game - someone who has imbued LTR Game as well incl. the Red Pill with total perception of the female psyche. There are plenty of guys who get laid a lot and Krauser often mentioned that:

- the super-wealthy ones
- the celebs
- the guys with "cool" jobs - musician, actor, artist, diving instructors, skiing instructors etc.
- the guy who looks like a celebrity - I personally met guys who looked like James Dean or Ryan Gosling
- situational Alphas with status - pilots, professors, CEOs, corporate "superstars", teachers etc.
- the high energy extrovert who drew people in with Charisma
- some guys I met who used certain lines and approaches literally hundreds of times and it worked for them


There are plenty of other types who needed little added Game to get laid. However that does not isolate them from the sexual market and it certainly gives them shit whenever they are in a LTR with a woman.

Even here on the forum we have some men who would classify as Naturals like Vinman or Giovonny, but even they needed some Red Pill and conscious Game later on to improve their results not wanting to settle for some low-level chicks.

A lot of the naturals I know make it a point of pride to talk to women who should be "out of their league."

One my friend even told me, "you're an idiot if you let a woman put you in a box like that. Approach!"

Post: #55

Aren't most men Naturals at 5-7 years before puberty, rejections, conscience and self consciousness kicks in? I know when I was a kid I was kissing girls, approaching and teasing them. Then the rejections started piling up and I retreated into my shell of video games and porn. Oh yeah, I also went to an all boys' school.

Post: #56

My roommate.
Handsome, tall (especially for a Korean), incredibly alpha. Women are attracted to him like a magnet.
He can walk into a room and half the guys will know him and go up to him to say hi / shake his hand/ show him respect.
He's very "nice" and "friendly" with women yet they incredibly obviously want to get with him.
He has one girl come over to do his laundry, one for doing his dishes, one for walking his dog, and one main girl in his harem he actually takes out for dinner and whatnot.

I try and absorb everything he does like a sponge but whenever I ask him how he does it, he can never really articulate it properly. It all just comes so natural and easily for him. I showed him some really good posts on here and Good Looking Loser that I liked, and he responded with "yeah, no shit. Guys don't already understand this?"

Post: #57

(03-19-2015 12:10 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Aren't most men Naturals at 5-7 years before puberty, rejections, conscience and self consciousness kicks in? I know when I was a kid I was kissing girls, approaching and teasing them. Then the rejections started piling up and I retreated into my shell of video games and porn. Oh yeah, I also went to an all boys' school.

I would like to read more about this. Not the porn and video games, but being a natural at young ages like 5 to 7.

I can't really remember what happened, it just seemed like the closer I got to age 10 or 12 the worse I got with girls and people.

Maybe it has to do with being extremely selfish at those young ages and only caring about what you want. As you age you realize the world is much bigger than YOU. So you take steps to start caring about what other people think and start trying act "socially acceptable."

Then it's a silly game of who your role models are and accepting advice/social ques from them. After all, you don't know any better. Unfortunately, not all role models are worthy of the position. Meaning, they can make or break you.

Honestly, should I have known better than to listen to my parents, youth leaders, and/or teachers? It sounds like I'm trying to blame someone. The fact is, children are very impressionable.

The only thing to do is pick up the pieces and start trying to live by a "red pill" code - to become the natural you always wanted to be.

Post: #58

You've got it right.

Society spends a lot of time and money to socialize little boys.

Stand in line
Raise your hand when you want to speak
Be mindful of others
Share
Team work

But that's not how everyone in the world raises children.
Hell, it's not always how the top members of this society raises their children.
Rich Dad, Poor Dad actually didn't address those things head on - but most of us plebians intrinsically know that Bill Gates and Warren Buffet's kids didn't get the same type of education that we got.

One of the effects of forced socialization is to make the average boy less daring, less adventurous.

However, in terms of game, one has to be careful to describe what pathway is being used.

There are good boys, golden boys, and bad boys.

The good boys is what the system wants to create.
The golden boys become the managers, but not necessarily the people in charge.
The bad boys end up in prison, or marginalized.

If you want to go really deep on the subject, look up Prussian Schools.

And another good thing to do when you start researching how Western societies turn little animals into citizens is to "check your privilege".

You'll notice that most of the discussion is about BOYS.
Even if it's not explicitly stated, you'll think that.

It's never about girls.

When the state socialization arm does touch on girls, it was to keep their sexual impulses in check - but it was always in the frame that those evil boys are trying to get into your pants. Never mind the fact that girls going through puberty also get the urge to merge, the need to breed.

For whatever reason, the anti-social impulses of girls are given less attention, and as a result...well, I'll let you think about the girls throughout your life that learned to bend the system to get their own advantage. How tattling became their chief weapon, using adults to do their own dirty work.

There's a lot of levels to this game shit. Goes way beyond pocket squares, Starting Strength, and optimizing your OkCupid pics.

In a sense, the Red Pill is basically realizing that the socialization skills hammered into you in school, the "hidden curriculum" have way more impact on your life than whether you can do fractions or diagram a sentence.

To bring it back to game, often times there's something with these naturals that allow them to reject the "Feminine Imperative".

When you read pimp lit, a lot of the greatest pimps have horrible mothers. If you don't put your mother on a pedestal, the most important woman in your life, you won't do that with teachers, and you certainly won't do that with little Caitlin, Thuy, or Keisha.

I won't derail this convo any longer.

It's not about personal issues, just how non-community guys rack up bitches, and what lessons they can teach us.

WIA

(03-20-2015 09:49 PM)Moreless Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 12:10 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Aren't most men Naturals at 5-7 years before puberty, rejections, conscience and self consciousness kicks in? I know when I was a kid I was kissing girls, approaching and teasing them. Then the rejections started piling up and I retreated into my shell of video games and porn. Oh yeah, I also went to an all boys' school.

I would like to read more about this. Not the porn and video games, but being a natural at young ages like 5 to 7.

I can't really remember what happened, it just seemed like the closer I got to age 10 or 12 the worse I got with girls and people.

Maybe it has to do with being extremely selfish at those young ages and only caring about what you want. As you age you realize the world is much bigger than YOU. So you take steps to start caring about what other people think and start trying act "socially acceptable."

Then it's a silly game of who your role models are and accepting advice/social ques from them. After all, you don't know any better. Unfortunately, not all role models are worthy of the position. Meaning, they can make or break you.

Honestly, should I have known better than to listen to my parents, youth leaders, and/or teachers? It sounds like I'm trying to blame someone. The fact is, children are very impressionable.

The only thing to do is pick up the pieces and start trying to live by a "red pill" code - to become the natural you always wanted to be.

Post: #59

Resurrecting this thread to contribute to it.

I know two "naturals." Both do fine with women - far better than I did when I was blue-pill - but ...

One of them was in a relationship with a BPD chick for a year or two. She cheated on her then-fiance to be with him, and lo and behold, about a year or so down the line in their relationship, she cheats on him. Up until that point, trying to get him to dump her crazy ass was hopeless. Game not recognized.

Another one was pining for years for this chick who has a boyfriend. Catch is, she sometimes makes overtures - but nothing definitive - to my friend, when he goes home to where they both grew up, and where she still lives. Oh, and home is hundreds of miles away, in another major metro area. Game also not recognized.

Thus, my stance on naturals, like many above, is that unless they happen to stumble by themselves on ALL the proper Game lessons, they can still get played.

Post: #60

Weird that this was bumped now. WIA just deleted his OP 3 days ago.

Post: #61

I know two, one is the stereotypical bad boy. Tall, athletic, doesn't give a f, in and out of prison, drug dealer, throws money around. He's reformed now, married to a good girl hottie about 15 years younger than him.

The other is not any of those things, but naturally witty and the most strategic thinker I know. Stereotypical "asshole". Also reformed now, recently married to a girl he met when he served in Iraq.

Post: #62

Yeah, I know one. Tall, good looking Polish dude. Pretty good with ballbusting and comebacks. He could slay, but...

Pretty beta otherwise. Dumped his LTR of 2 years, but has been pining (and she went on dates with other guys soon after it was over, surprise surprise).
He's identified as bisexual, and currently is "exploring his other side..."
Used to lift a lot, but he's gotten love handles now...
He's taller than me by a lot, but certainly not tougher...
He's one of the Bernie people...

...coincidence?

Post: #63

As mentioned on our podcast (featuring myself and the honourable RudeBwoy), I grew up around a lot of Jamaicans. My area of London was very similar to Brooklyn so it was teeming with West Indians. The Jamaicans would literally fall off the plane and start spitting from the airport and their looks made no difference. Lizards would be blown away, how could a man so hogly have such confidence?? But that's the life in Jah as Advent Persona put, it seems as a man, you are rated on your ability to 'link gyal'.

I didn't have much experience with other West Indians until I moved to the dot. I bundled them all under one umbrella, the Jamaican one. I think they all spit a high octane game with strong inner game. In the dot, I had a chance to roll with other groups such as Trini, Grenadian, Guyanese, Bajan and Vincy (St Vincent and the Grenadines) in particular. Vincy game seemed quite impressive to me and a Vincy guy told me that Vincy guys excel over Jamaicans cos they are about game whereas a Jamaican 'wan shot ya boi' hahahahaha. Again, technically, it was nothing amazing, it was just the smooth execution and ability as earlier posters said, to recognise cues that may seem invisible to others.

I had a good Jamaican guy that I used to go out clubbing with in the dot. This guy did NO approaches the whole night but just chilled, watching, projecting that Jamaican chill mode energy. I saw him just standing, watching and some Trini lizard start frothing and frittering. At some point that night, she moved in to talk to him, he had never moved from his position except to top up his drink. He fcuked her a few days later. When I spoke with him in general about game, he had a lot of the principles down and didn't understand why us as guys, rank lizards so high on the list. I learned a valuable West Indian lesson from that.

Trinis had a different move to them. Trinis seemed to have a slightly more cunning energy, the type of cats that would 'tek way a next man gyal' (steal your girl). The Trini lizards I dealt with (a scant few) were quite scandalous, scheming on the dick.

Bajans supposed to have strong game too but I've not rolled with a bonafide Bajan deep enough to give a thorough analysis of how they get it in.

What I will say is that I have to give a newer shoutout to the African boys. I've been rolling with some Naija guys here..young chaps but I've been impressed with their game. The ability to flirt not thirst and close has been impressive. That being said, I don't exactly live in a difficult market for vag. You can follow over backwards into punani just by showing up.

The dot was more difficult and another Naija friend of mine, younger guy, did very well. He fcuked a pretty white lizard from a bachelorette party the same night in one of our cars. His ability to pick out the target, isolate and close the deals were as good as it was going to get for that city. Speaking to him, I found out that his awareness of game was strong. He was a Lagosian.

To conclude, I saw so many guys spitting that it's hard for me to say do I know any naturals? That's like asking a guy who lived in Atlanta if he knew any guys who could dunk, I once stayed in Georgia and played some ball (all black guys on the court) and EVERY single guy, even some middle aged guy, was a menace in the air.

Post: #64

(02-11-2016 12:46 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Weird that this was bumped now. WIA just deleted his OP 3 days ago.

Yeah I saw that. Not sure why. I came to this thread by coincidence after doing a search.