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4 Reasons Why You Should Go to College (In the US)
 
The information in this post is mostly for those in the United States, but should translate to the systems of other countries. A lot of the manosphere is largely dismissive towards college, but this is based in part on truth, and in part on some misconceptions. I was going to do a full article to submit, but figured I’d rather post this initially and see feedback. I know there’s a ton more to add/clean up, but I’d love to hear what other people’s experiences have been.
 
1.    College doesn’t take that much time
 
I know a lot of men point to the trades or working overseas as being more rewarding than college, but they overlook that neither is mutually exclusive to higher education in the United States. Most colleges, even state schools, permit online courses which would allow you to be wherever you’d like while you study (note: most state schools don’t offer fully online Bachelor’s, however, you can be guaranteed an AA through online public education).
Even should you be taking full-time, on-campus courses, you’re looking at 12 units, or 12 hours a week in class. With proper planning, you can most likely land at least one or two classes a semester that don’t require daily attendance. If you think that you don’t have 12 hours for school in a week, you should reassess your time management.
 
2.    College is cheap, free, or even profitable
 
Another huge misconception about college is the price. Yes, private universities charge up to 40,000 a year, but that doesn’t matter if you don’t go there. Community college generally runs under 2,000 a year, and state schools around 5,000 a year (some are more- 15,000). Assuming you’re intelligent, you’ll spend 5,000 tops at the community college before transferring to do two years at a state school, where you’ll spend another 10,000 or so.
 
Isn’t that a  lot of money? Yes, and no. In the United States the federal government offers up to 5,500 a year in grants, and states generally offer around the same (in California, the state’s grants match their tuition, effectively making college free if you or your family is low-income). In my experience, I was paid 5,000 a year to go to junior college, my tuition was waved, and I transferred to a state university where the state took care of my tuition, and the federal government paid me an additional 5,000 for me to spend as I pleased annually.
 
My highschool grades (poor) and ethnicity (white) didn’t offer many scholarships, but most should be able to supplement money for school with scholarships. Even without, I still did well financially, and was able to graduate while working full time and incurring minimal debt.
 
3.     College is a social playground
 
College offers the opportunity to try new things socially, and at a location where you’ll be surrounded by new peers to interact with. If you attend a junior college beforehand as well, you’ve just doubled your college social networks. Most schools will be large enough that you can make friends in different social groups, allowing you more experiences, as well as more defenses should you decide that a certain group isn’t a good fit for you.
 
Colleges offer team sports (including lesser celebrated ones, such as speech and debate), school/student organizations (clubs and government) and Greek life, which is something every male should consider while in college. I participated in all of the above, and have significantly boosted my resume and my connections for jobs. I’ve also had the opportunity to meet a ton of people I don’t like, and am now able to avoid those types of people in the future.
 
4.    College is full of women
 
There’s no denying that college is full of the most opportunity for young men. Most schools offer a very generous 2:1 ratio (so even if half are fat, it still leaves a 1:1 ratio for you). Also, at least half of the men you’ll meet in college are absolute losers, whether they’re inept socially, or professionally have zero goals. This can be a detriment at times when looking to make strong friendships, but also severely limits the competition you’ll face. At most schools, having a job, being in shape, actually studying and dressing well will put you in the top 10% of your school, and women will notice.
 
Some might point out that colleges are a hotbed for false rape accusations and feminism, which while true, doesn’t mean you should give up completely. Careful college selection can dramatically decrease your chance of dealing with unpleasant women, and having a strong social presence can deter the success of false rape accusations (where I want to school, a couple males were accused of rape, and possibly truthfully- the outcome? Nothing, because other girls simply didn’t care, and a fair number almost seemed to like the appeal of playing with fire by being alone with the individuals drinking after the allegations came to light- despite not knowing the men at all, having only heard the warnings from their friends).
 
Many of my friends started college with weak game and ended with 20+ notches and a greatly increased confidence with women. It’s nearly unavoidable to gain some experience with the opposite sex, and with minimal effort, it’s easy to pull at least one new girl a montg

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Sounds like it was written by a kid with no job.

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Isn't the most important thing to come out with a new, marketable skill?

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(02-25-2015 01:08 PM)Sonoma Wrote:  4 Reasons Why You Should Go to College (In the US)

 
Many of my friends started college with weak game and ended with 20+ notches and a greatly increased confidence with women. It’s nearly unavoidable to gain some experience with the opposite sex, and with minimal effort, it’s easy to pull at least one new girl a montg

Those who do this can apply their game outside the college field, too.
IN fact, most of guys struggle with women in college.

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There's people who would argue that college is needed for the job they want, so I'm listing out reasons besides the obvious employment benefits

First jobs after my diploma was a relatively high benefits 50k a year office job in Santa Monica and a 30 an hour behavioural specialist position in SF prior to that.

Obviously you can learn game outside of college as well, but you're not going to have such a ripe environment for success

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What he forgets is the brutal interest charges the govt and private lenders tack on to your student loans, with Sallie Mae being the biggest loan shark of them all.

Never mind that college is largely a waste of time and energy to begin with. Going to college was the biggest mistake of my life. I should have taken the advice of Stephen King and Ray Bradbury and simply "read a lot of books and wrote a lot of books". Knowing what I know now about marketing novels, I'd be filthy rich!

But that's not what the government wants.

They WANT you to be dependent on them for college. It isn't about education these days. It is about control. Overseeing what you study. Dictating who you can flirt with. Sleep with. Speak with. Track you for life, making sure you never have the ability to travel internationally or earn enough to live like a king without slicing half your income to give to the gays and other leftists.

One day they will revoke passports for defaulted student loans. It's coming.

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Did you read it? Unless your family has money, you'll probably qualify for grants, so college would be free

and subsidised loans were 3% when I went a few years ago, was hardly crushing

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Sonoma, a few years ago the govt defaulted and my interest rates (and the interest rates of others with govt loans) doubled. I'm not sure if interest rates will be as high for new college students but I would be very wary of borrowing from the government. My interest rates are somewhere to the tune of 6-7%. Not something to play with.

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6-7% sounds like an unsubsidized direct loan. Some private loans can be even higher.

However, for a lot of state schools running at 5,000 a year tuition, loans are either avoidable, or not as detrimental. (Even assuming you had to take out loans for tuition at community college and state school, for a total amount of 15,000- 7% annually would be less than a 100 dollars a month interest. Almost any degree would add a few hundred minimum to your monthly income)

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^ Fair enough assessment. I certainly couldn't have my current job if it wasn't for my degree.

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(02-25-2015 01:19 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Sounds like it was written by a kid with no job.

This.


I went to collage and didn't get laid that much even though I tried. I got laid WAY more when I travelled to Asia by myself.

I'd advise guys to avoid college unless you have a very specific reason to do it, like if you want to be a doctor or lawyer. Things you actually need a degree for.

It's a better use of time to learn skills that will actually help you make money in the future. Don't listen to rubbish articles like what OP wrote.

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I'm sorry you couldn't get laid when surrounded by college girls, and seemingly couldn't learn marketable skills when provided the information by professors

You also seemingly might want to learn the difference between college and collage.

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Agree whole-heartedly with your post, Sonoma. Very sensible advice. I went to a very inexpensive state school and got my education paid for. The key is looking for ways to avoid piling on debt. There are ways, and you outline them well. Also agree there will never be an easier way to get laid with 18-22 year olds. Outside of fame game of course.

Don't be a fool and pay $40k/year for a mediocre private school. State school all the way, unless you get to the caliber of an Ivy. Pay for that shit, it'll be worth it in resources and connections. If you live in California, great, you get the option of the world-class UC system in any subject you want for very reasonable prices.

I respect the opinions of dudes who recommend foregoing college. But this was sounding like a bit of an echo chamber crossed with a pile on. College is still one of the best ways to move upward socioeconomically, if you do it right.

Not everyone is a Zuckerberg or Branson... it's ok to be practical and realistic.

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(02-25-2015 02:59 PM)Sonoma Wrote:  I'm sorry you couldn't get laid when surrounded by college girls, and seemingly couldn't learn marketable skills when provided the information by professors

You also seemingly might want to learn the difference between college and collage.

you asked for feedback about your article. Don't get butt hurt about negative feedback and try to call out spelling mistakes to make yourself feel better. Quoting spelling mistakes doesn't make you cool.

College is a waste of time for most people, especially if you plan on being rich afterwards. This forum is about self-improvement, and going to college is not the best way for most guys to become the best versions of themselves. It's generally a waste of time for most people.

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(02-25-2015 01:42 PM)Soothesayer Wrote:  Never mind that college is largely a waste of time and energy to begin with. Going to college was the biggest mistake of my life.

It depends what you studied. Since it was a waste of time and you know what you should have done instead, are you doing what you should have done instead at this present point in time?

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@Travolta, his post lamented not learning at an institution for learning and not getting laid at the most prime location in America. That's not the location's fault.

In regards to money, it depends on want you want to do in life. My job requires my degree and is what I want to do. My pay will max out at 100,000, but it's worth it to me

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A nurse starts at over 100k in the US while working 3 days a week? Im skeptical.

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With the exception of a small amount of nerds, the only reason most dudes want to go away college, live in a dorm first year, and possibly join a fraternity is for the "college experience". It's always been this way.

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http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Empl...Nurse-(RN)

Nurse pay is stupid high

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Quote:You also seemingly might want to learn the difference between college and collage.

In a thread about education, that reply was hilarious.




But I disagree partially: The girls and social stuff should come second. Due to lack of discipline, I saw some guys flunk out, I almost did myself. A degree isn't necessary for all careers. If you live near in or by a collegetown you have access to the lizard without paying tuition.

FYI: In some states, grant funds have been reduced increasing the dependence on loans.

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@Goldin, it's definitely important to have that, I would've been fucked if I had tried to deal with the party allure of a 4 year school at 17

All schools and towns are different but I know the access to our schools girls was severely limited to locals, as being local was generally an insult

and that's definitely true, by my last semester (I took 4.5 years), grants had decreased (and my income had increased a ton as well), ruining my financial aid and making continued schooling less enticing, especially since I didn't need it

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Disagree.

Go to a top 20 school, the top school in your region, for a good technical/science degree( to include for jobs which require a degree like accounting, teaching, military officer, etc) or don't go at all.

You can get a lot of the same social benefits just by living in an area where a lot of young people do and you can get the same financial benefits from technical training programs.

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I also disagree with this article.

College doesn't take that much time? Four years is a huge commitment, and most students don't even graduate in four years.

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College is over-hyped on two fronts:

1.) Career opportunities: The majority of students spend four years and go into debt to get a degree that will start at low 40s if theyre lucky and top out at probably mid 60s or 70s. STEM STEM STEM. If you go to college, you better pick a STEM field or be a damn good hustler. If you don't study in a technical degree that is challenges you and requires to put some actual study work in outside of class, you're better off working your way up the retail chain from cashier to shift manager. Lesson in life: If you don't have to work very hard for something, it's not going to be worth it.

Don't want a STEM field but want a decent paying job? Learn a trade. Plumbers, electricians, etc are always in high demand. As these blue collar jobs are becoming less popular and the population continues to increase, you will see higher demand with lower supply. That equates to higher pay. Trade schools take less time than college and cost less, although certifications can be expensive one-off or continuing costs. The cons are having to actually work as opposed to sitting behind a desk while getting paid. Your trading labor for leisure.

2.)Girls. The most over-hyped aspect of college. I wont write much about this, because it's practically an entire game guide. But the 90/10 rule still applies. Betas will still struggle. But game-wise guys and natural-alphas will clean up. Hell college is probably worse for most guys, the 90/10 rules may shift to more of a 95/10.

Regardless, college is worth it if you pick a high-work high-reward degree and focus the majority of time and effort on studying your degree. Otherwise, pick up a trade.

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Quote:I'm sorry you couldn't get laid when surrounded by college girls, and seemingly couldn't learn marketable skills when provided the information by professors

Going to college for girls is a terrible idea. Most can do as well or better elsewhere. Yes, some guys on campus will be swimming in it but what many won't tell you is that success in college depends on a narrow form of game. Personally, I found the college social scene extraordinarily unpleasant and repulsive, and I doubt I'm the only one.

As for marketable skills from professors...that's a borderline oxymoron. In the humanities, no professor can or will teach you anything you can't learn from a book. In language, there are far cheaper and far more effective avenues to achieve fluency. For science or something technical like Easy_C said, it can be worth it if you maximize your school's name recognition (more important than quality, ultimately) and minimize costs.

If you meet those conditions, it's possible to make it work if you plan and think it through, but most people who go to college are making a massive and expensive mistake. Tread carefully.