Post: #26

(02-22-2015 10:07 AM)Kieran Wrote:  I tried eating brown rice for a short time, and felt tired all the time. I also feel slightly better on white rather than brown bread. I always presumed it was because brown is harder to digest.

Even with brown, Asian rice cookers will reduce the preparation time.

I have a harder time digesting brown rice though others might experience a different process. Brown rice while healthier also feels heavier too. Heavy..though it takes the same portions of brown rice as white to fill up my stomach. I therefore tend to gain the bad kind of weight more easily if I do not watch my intake of brown rice.

Post: #27

I stayed away from this thread for a while, because I read the title and assumed that it was a race thread.

Post: #28

White rice for sure. Thai jasmine rice for ladeling soup or curry dishes over or a stickier white rice for everything else.

The thing about rice is you don't have to eat a lot of it with your food. Just a small bowl of rice is good enough. Buy a rice bowl put rice in it and flip it over on your plate. That little mound is all you need for the meal. The main course are the separate dishes of food in front of you.

The rice is just there to pair with those dishes. If you notice most asians don't suck down bowl after bowl of rice unless they don't have anything else to eat.

Post: #29

I'm off rice completely.

It's all about potatoes and sweet potatoes.

From AnabolicMen.com:

Quote:I’ve seen many lists around the internet about increasing testosterone levels, and quite many of them cite rice as a beneficial carbohydrate source…

…However I’d like to disagree with that.

Rice bran won’t directly lower your testosterone levels, and it’s not estrogenic, but the researchers in this study found out that it is an extremely potent 5-a reductase enzyme blocker. Meaning that it blocks the conversion from testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT).

Rice was actually more effective at blocking DHT than most drugs for such purposes on the market are.

DHT beign the king of androgens, and having roughly 10 times the potency of testosterone, is one of the reasons why high testosterone levels are so beneficial for men, as your body naturally converts some of that testosterone to DHT.

Blocking this conversion by eating rice, you’d also block testosterone from excerting its full effects in the body.

So the bottom line is that rice won’t directly decrease testosterone, but it blocks it from converting into a more potent derivate.

Post: #30

(02-22-2015 11:30 AM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  Does "red rice" (nasi merah in Malay/Indonesian) ring a bell with anyone? I'd never heard of it until a year or two ago when a girl told me it was a substitute for white rice for weight loss.

I don't share the cultural maxim that "without rice, you won't feel full" so it doesn't figure in my diet, but it seems a lot harder to cook properly.
(I am aware that merah Malay/Indonesian used to cover the colors red and brown, but this stuff is actually red. Brown rice seems to be largely unknown.)

I bought red rice back home in the UK, but I could only get it from Asian supermarkets. It's from Thailand or Bhutan or somewhere if I remember right? I had heard that it was healthier than brown or white rice, and on a par with black rice, however I found black rice didn't taste great and apparently it's more used for dessert dishes than just as part of a main meal.

It takes about 20 minutes to prepare, and it had a slightly nutty taste for me. I usually cooked it in chicken stock or I added in freshly squeezed lime, spices etc to give the flavour a kick. It's definitely worth trying if you're looking to get as much nutrition out of your rice as possible, but since it's a low-yield crop it's more expensive.

Post: #31

(02-24-2015 04:01 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  I'm off rice completely.

It's all about potatoes and sweet potatoes.

From AnabolicMen.com:

Quote:I’ve seen many lists around the internet about increasing testosterone levels, and quite many of them cite rice as a beneficial carbohydrate source…

…However I’d like to disagree with that.

Rice bran won’t directly lower your testosterone levels, and it’s not estrogenic, but the researchers in this study found out that it is an extremely potent 5-a reductase enzyme blocker. Meaning that it blocks the conversion from testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT).

Rice was actually more effective at blocking DHT than most drugs for such purposes on the market are.

DHT beign the king of androgens, and having roughly 10 times the potency of testosterone, is one of the reasons why high testosterone levels are so beneficial for men, as your body naturally converts some of that testosterone to DHT.

Blocking this conversion by eating rice, you’d also block testosterone from excerting its full effects in the body.

So the bottom line is that rice won’t directly decrease testosterone, but it blocks it from converting into a more potent derivate.

Suddenly, I understand Asian cultures.

Post: #32

(02-22-2015 06:50 AM)kosko Wrote:  There is a reason millions chose to polish it and eat. If brown was superior the rice consuming nations would favor it. Why for close to 10,000+ years would Asian go through the extra effort of milling rice, some times via grueling hand methods if the brown rice was really that more healthy? Wouldn't they just save the effort and just eat the brown rice as it is?

No group of people are going to put forward that much more effort if it wasn't worth it. Brown Rice is modern hippe food. It tastes like shit and it is marginally healthier then white rice. Plus most brown rice you buy in the store is bunk and near rancid. Brown rice has a lot more fat content and it oxidizes on the shelf.

Rice is a staple and like all staples is simply a form of dense easy absorbed energy to help power you through the day.

You just answered your own question. White rice stores better. That has been a huge aspect of preparing food until very recently in human history. And, as mentioned throughout the thread, it cooks faster too.

The bran and chaff removed from the rice during processing is also used for other things, particularly by Asian cultures.

Hey, maybe white rice is equal -- or even better. But I need to see an argument a lot more complete than, "hey, they did it 10,000 years ago, guys" to convince me. Especially when the group of people doing it are the smallest of the human race.

Personally, I think brown rice tastes great. It's the same thing as eating wheat bread.

Post: #33

(02-24-2015 04:46 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 04:01 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  ...

Suddenly, I understand Asian cultures.

Well, as pointed out in the comment section for that article, the study references rice bran, which is removed when processing down to white rice.

So maybe this is the argument for white over brown (rice, not race )? Hard to say, since the full study isn't accessible and the article writer didn't respond to the comments. But they do clearly say rice bran, not rice in general.

Post: #34

I cannot fuck with brown rice anymore. It makes the acid reflux 100 times worse.

Post: #35

Have you tried taking Betain HCL before eating it? It might help break down the extra protein in the brown rice. Just make sure you eating at least 15 grams of protein when you take it.

Post: #36

Neither I hate brown and white rice.

Basmati Rice FTW!

Post: #37

Beast, you can buy brown basmati rice . I prefer brown rice. It has higher fibre content and leaves me feeling full longer. Low glycemic index. White rice just gives me a big belly.

Post: #38

Reason to favor Brown:

Basmati rice, particularly wholegrain Basmati rice can and should be a regular addition to the diets of people who suffer from diabetes. Basmati rice is a naturally low energy food but as with all carbohydrate foods, it’s the portion size that is important: an average serving of boiled rice is 150-180g providing 207-248 calories; a small serving (100g) provides approximately 138 calories. By contrast a typical takeaway portion of fried rice is 300g providing 558 calories, so it’s important not to assume all rice types are the same.

Wholegrain Basmati rice has the lowest GI (glycaemic index) of all rice types, which means once digested it releases its energy slowly keeping blood sugar levels more stable, which is a crucial part of diabetes management. On the other hand, sticky and risotto type rices have much higher GIs, so less suitable in a diabetic diet. The varying GIs of rice depends on the type of carbohydrate present in the grains. Basmati rice has the greatest amount of a type known as amylose which does not gelatinize during cooking and results in fluffy, separate grains. Whereas grains with more amylopectin burst on cooking resulting in sticky rice that can be eaten with chopsticks. The more intact the structure of a grain of rice the lower the GI because once consumed the particle size maintains intact for longer, slowing the digestive process. The higher quality brands of rice like Tilda have the technology to reject broken grains from their products, further guaranteeing the low GI of the rice. Steaming rice helps to better maintain the structure of the grain compared with boiled rice so generally steamed rice has a lower GI than boiled.

Wholegrain Basmati rice is also a good source of fibre which is important for gut health and improves bowel function. High fibre intakes have also been associated with a lower risk of bowel cancer, reduced risk of type 2 diabetes complications, increased satiety and weight management. A high intake of wholegrain foods has been associated with lower risk of heart disease and stroke.

Both wholegrain and white Basmati rice contains a type of fibre known as resistant starch. This has a prebiotic effect in the bowel, which means it can help to increase the number of ‘friendly’ bacteria. This in turn, protects the bowel and keeps it healthy and boosts the body’s immunity. Resistant starch also increases satiety, helping to keep you feeling fuller for longer, so including Basmati rice in a meal can help regulate appetite and prevent cravings for sugary drinks and snacks between meals.

Finally, both wholegrain and white Basmati rice has a superior nutrient content compared with other rice types. They contain higher amounts of B vitamins and minerals such as copper and magnesium. The higher magnesium content found in Basmati can help with blood sugar control. These properties combined together with the antioxidant and anti-carcinogenic properties of numerous compounds found in rice, especially those found in the bran and germ (minerals, trace elements, vitamins, polyphenols), means rice can make a valuable contribution to the diets of people with diabetes.

Post: #39

Reason to minimize white:

Eating white rice on a regular basis may increase the risk for type 2 diabetes, according to new Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) research.

HSPH researchers from the Department of Nutrition—led by Emily Hu, research assistant, and Qi Sun, research associate—reviewed four earlier studies involving more than 352,000 people from China, Japan, the United States, and Australia who were tracked between four and 22 years. The researchers found that people who ate the most rice—three to four servings a day—were 1.5 times more likely to have diabetes than people who ate the least amount of rice. In addition, for every additional large bowl of white rice a person ate each day, the risk rose 10 percent. The link was stronger for people in Asian countries, who eat an average of three to four servings of white rice per day. People in Western countries eat, on average, one to two servings a week.

The study was published in the British Medical Journal March 15, 2012.

White rice has a high glycemic index, meaning that it can cause spikes in blood sugar. Previous research has linked high glycemic index foods with increased type 2 diabetes risk.

Post: #40

(02-22-2015 04:21 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  I stopped eating rice probably over 5 years ago.

Buy quiona in bulk, boil it in chicken or beef broth.

It wins on every level imaginable.

Conclusion: Forget rice.

where do you get quiona in bulk? its good stuff, i get it as a treat at trader joes sometimes. i dont think i have seen it in bulk?

i get brown rice in bulk and sometimes sticky rice for a treat.

Post: #41

Lol attacking a food based on its glycemic index alone is garbage. Pairing fat and protein with "high glycemic" foods significantly reduces their effect glycemic index. Unless you're extremely poor, you are not eating rice alone.

And unless you are a competitive bodybuilder, calorie density is irrelevant. Much of modern nutrition is based on the idiotic idea that calorie density is bad - when less calorie dense foods like breads can actually satisfy you less, leaving you eating more calories. Fat is more satisfying per calorie than white carbohydrates, but "fat is bad because it has twice as many calories per gram."

Can't paste for some reason, but google 'fat protein glycemic index.'

White is right. With

Post: #42

Basil Ransom - Your first statement is somewhat incorrect. Because obviously the study which was posted by Harvard didn't have people just eating a shit load of White rice with no meat or fat sources. It is a complete meal. So the results stand regardless of whatever accompanied the White Rice. The Whole point is the White Rice was the isolated determining factor in Diabetes risk increase.

The fact of the matter is any carb period will cause glycemic spike which in today's sedentary human causes problems. We needed to have quick energy when running away from tigers. Now when you combine the higher average cortisol level coupled with glycemic imbalances due to lack of calorie burn it is a recipe for metabolic disaster. Humans also evolved to have higher blood sugar levels in the Winter to avoid frostbite. With central heating and cooling this is no longer necessary.

For humans today protein and fat should be a larger percentage of the diet than carbs. So I agree with you we should be consuming more fats but more monounsaturated fats from plant sources such as oils and avocado and not too many fatty parts of animals.

Post: #43

What I have learned from this thread is this..

I like a variety of rices!

White:

Coconut rice with my Burmese food.

Garlic rice with my Filipino food.

Sticky rice with my pork BBQ

Good sushi rice with my Japanese.

Brown:

With vegetables

With eggs

Black:

For fun, sometimes.

Just to try something new.

Red:

For fun

To try something different

Wild Rice:

Interesting mix of brown, black, and a little white.

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For me, they all have their place and time.

I am healthy and fit enough to eat ALL varieties of rice. My health and my body will not be effected by a little rice.

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I like to make my rice with homemade chicken or beef broth.

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I sometimes add lentils for extra protein.

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I should use quinoa more often.

Post: #44

How do people feel about couscous? I've recently starting eating them instead of brown rice, I like the taste alot better and they mix much better with stews and such.

Post: #45

(02-27-2015 12:09 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Neither I hate brown and white rice.

Basmati Rice FTW!

That's the rice I eat as well, it's delicious, but I thought Basmati was a variety type of rice and that it could come as white or brown. I only eat white by the way, the nutritional diffrences between white and brown are so minute that it doesn't make a difference to us, and white is much tastier and faster to prepare, and doesn't have phytates, if you're worried about that.

(03-01-2015 10:26 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  Lol attacking a food based on its glycemic index alone is garbage. Pairing fat and protein with "high glycemic" foods significantly reduces their effect glycemic index. Unless you're extremely poor, you are not eating rice alone.

And unless you are a competitive bodybuilder, calorie density is irrelevant. Much of modern nutrition is based on the idiotic idea that calorie density is bad - when less calorie dense foods like breads can actually satisfy you less, leaving you eating more calories. Fat is more satisfying per calorie than white carbohydrates, but "fat is bad because it has twice as many calories per gram."

Can't paste for some reason, but google 'fat protein glycemic index.'

White is right. With

Indeed, the whole glycemic index thing is a bit silly, just add basically anything (meat, fish, olive oil, eggs, peanut butter, whatever really) to whatever high index glycemic food you're eating and the whole thing becomes meaningless.

Post: #46

tl;dr there isn't even any reason for any debate, really. Rice is a bland carbohydrate staples, just right there with potatoes, lentils and beans. One would hope that you don't just eat 1 certain type of rice every single day of your life, so why the debate? They're just easy carb and calorie source, so pick your staple of choice for that day, cook it and be done with it. In the grand scheme of things, natural unprocessed carbs are just unprocessed carbs. You should be nitpicking more which fat and protein sources you're ingesting

Post: #47

(03-09-2015 04:30 AM)HughMyron Wrote:  tl;dr there isn't even any reason for any debate, really. Rice is a bland carbohydrate staples, just right there with potatoes, lentils and beans. One would hope that you don't just eat 1 certain type of rice every single day of your life, so why the debate? They're just easy carb and calorie source, so pick your staple of choice for that day, cook it and be done with it. In the grand scheme of things, natural unprocessed carbs are just unprocessed carbs. You should be nitpicking more which fat and protein sources you're ingesting

Except 6 of the guys posting in this thread live in Asia, where rice is an integral part of the local cuisine. That's not even including TravelerKai, who has a Chinese wife.

But sure, I'll just tell all the restaurants in town to start serving potatoes and beans instead.

Post: #48

(03-09-2015 07:01 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

(03-09-2015 04:30 AM)HughMyron Wrote:  tl;dr there isn't even any reason for any debate, really. Rice is a bland carbohydrate staples, just right there with potatoes, lentils and beans. One would hope that you don't just eat 1 certain type of rice every single day of your life, so why the debate? They're just easy carb and calorie source, so pick your staple of choice for that day, cook it and be done with it. In the grand scheme of things, natural unprocessed carbs are just unprocessed carbs. You should be nitpicking more which fat and protein sources you're ingesting

Except 6 of the guys posting in this thread live in Asia, where rice is an integral part of the local cuisine. That's not even including TravelerKai, who has a Chinese wife.

But sure, I'll just tell all the restaurants in town to start serving potatoes and beans instead.

You also won't be asking restaurants to serve you brown rice instead of white one if they only have white rice so that was a pretty pointless and irrelevant comment. The point being that there are some small differences in nutrition and taste, but all in all it's just a carb source. No one is gonna get healthy if he eats the same damn thing every day, so vary it up for a balanced diet and all is well

Post: #49

(03-09-2015 10:07 AM)HughMyron Wrote:  You also won't be asking restaurants to serve you brown rice instead of white one if they only have white rice so that was a pretty pointless and irrelevant comment. The point being that there are some small differences in nutrition and taste, but all in all it's just a carb source. No one is gonna get healthy if he eats the same damn thing every day, so vary it up for a balanced diet and all is well

Dude, what are you even talking about? You can get brown rice in restaurants. And even where you can't, you can choose to eat less white rice if you feel it's not beneficial to your health.

The only thing pointless and irrelevant is you trying to stop guys from having a healthy discussion with your dismissive and ignorant comments.

If you don't want to talk about rice, then don't come in a thread about rice. No one asked for your opinion.

Post: #50

I always wonder about the carb + carb thing. Its ussually frowned upon here in the west but in different cultures having a potato stew with rice isn't out of the norm. Also beans and rice is a complete food and many cultures have that as a staple dish.

(6) Eggs + Rice + Black beans/Lentils is probably the most economic way to get well rounded nutrition into you. I can't think many other ways these days to get a rounded meal for under $1.50 other than that combo.