Post: #1

Everyone has played Scottie to MJ. I find myself in this role frequently as my goal at this point isn't really getting notches, but (inadvertently) I know a lot about girls being a part of this forum, and the 'sphere. Tonight, I came upon a girl who I had previously met through a volunteering event, and she let me know she was interested in my friend. Here was my conversation, with my intentions to hook these two up.

Her: what's up with your friend
Me: well, he's pretty busy
Her: what do you mean?
Me: you know what I mean...
Her: like he's with a lot of girls?
Me: I meant mostly he's into his work and he's a musician so he's pretty busy with that stuff

When I made my Irish exit, they were heavy flirting with each other, and while I was happy I got them together, I felt like I could be better as a wing, especially with as much game knowledge as I have. What do you guys usually do and/or say?

Post: #2

Good wings talk each other up.

Many naturals I hang out with can be oblivious to proper etiquette in their pursuit of the pussy. That drive also made them good naturals in he first place and it's generally not meant as disrespect. They focus on the girl and establish dominance by being the funnest and coolest guy in the room. In addition, they're used to hanging with other super confident players that can handle the disses and dish out the verbal jabs just as well. While learning game this can feel like AMOGing but when you've internalized everything it becomes good fun. Probably right around the time that new, outside guys start assuming you're a natural yourself.

Another beast are pussy beta friends that try to win over girls by talking themselves up at the cost of you. Finally a girl talks to them and they want to have it so desperately they will diss their own friends to look better in comparison. This typical beta behavior obviously doesn't work because hanging out with losers makes you a loser, and a disloyal loser.

Partying with guys that know what's up is the best. You're a team and talk to girls with a mutual goal in mind. They introduce you as the coolest guy in the bar, when they ask how you guys met you tell them some story that glamorizes your friend. You bullshit together about this one time that this and that happened and how awesome it was.

To the girls it seems like you are good, loyal friends and a lot of fun. Part of the magic is them knowing you're doing it and that you're having fun bullshitting with random girls in the bar. That the conversation is mostly about you and your friend bonding and enjoying the night and that the girls are just an entertaining after thought. Pussy right off the pedestal and your status as cool, fun-loving guys set in stone.

That's when having a wing is better than going solo, but you have to find the right guy.

Post: #3

When a girl takes the initiative to ask about one of my friends, in the back of my mind I already know half the battle is won

She's obviously been doing her homework (to a degree) and in some cases has made up her mind to the point where my brag job is minimal

A lot of times, I know I'm going to sell him better than he probably could himself and make it so he can be himself while playing in 'don't F it up' game mode

I'm trying accentuate his strengths & sometimes validate her preconceived notions of how she see's him. Sometimes - I get more out of assists, than scoring buckets myself

Post: #4

Your wing man is your brother in arms.

The dynamic between the two is a team effort. Obviously the ultimate goal is for both of you to get laid, but even if just one of you get laid, you have come out with a victory.

Many times when I head out, if I don't get laid but my boy does, I'm equally as happy.

Post: #5

I don't think it's that hard to talk someone up, but it definitely helps if that person is actually interesting.

One of my good friends plays guitar professionally, so it's not hard for me to be like, "yo dude, how's the new song coming along" within ear shot of some girls while we're shooting the shit. What helps is that I'm actually interested in the new music, so it's completely authentic.

It's hard to talk up a guy who has nothing going for himself.

Post: #6

Absolutely dude, ALWAYS rep your boys.

If I don't see anything I like where I'm at, but my boy is running game on a girl and I'm winging absolutely I'll rep him, drop some great stories, I'll NEVER neg him or make myself look better.

I notice some guys who knock each other in front of girls, you aren't trying to AMOG your boys, nor hurt their confidence.

When you go out, bringing nothing but positive vibes and energy, if your friends don't do that for you, then they aren't good friends.

This is the problem with men who aren't self aware of game and also a problem findings friends who are aware and on your level.

Post: #7

(02-20-2015 10:40 AM)sixsix Wrote:  Partying with guys that know what's up is the best. You're a team and talk to girls with a mutual goal in mind. They introduce you as the coolest guy in the bar, when they ask how you guys met you tell them some story that glamorizes your friend. You bullshit together about this one time that this and that happened and how awesome it was.

To the girls it seems like you are good, loyal friends and a lot of fun. Part of the magic is them knowing you're doing it and that you're having fun bullshitting with random girls in the bar. That the conversation is mostly about you and your friend bonding and enjoying the night and that the girls are just an entertaining after thought. Pussy right off the pedestal and your status as cool, fun-loving guys set in stone.

That's when having a wing is better than going solo, but you have to find the right guy.

I think this is spot-on. I've had more fun and success in nights when I had the right friend with me who knew what the deal was. When you have a wing that knows how to have fun and more importantly that having fun is the ultimate way to attract female attention in bars, etc., your night is going to be a success no matter what.

My buddy who was my best wing (and I his) just moved away from the area so I'm frantically searching for a possible replacement. We balanced each other out where he was the extroverted funny guy and I was the introverted aloof guy. Either one of use could open a group and we would build into each other's frame without much forethought. So while I do think talking up your wing is essential, its not so much what you say but how you feed into his dynamic and vice versa that really makes wingmen vital.

Post: #8

I wanted to comment on something I find to be fucking annoying "AFC Wing Game". This is where you'll say "Yeah that girl is pretty hot" and they go up to said girl and say "Hey my boy thinks you're really hot, you should get with him" then they report back and say "dude, I totally hooked you up, you're so in". This shit is the most annoying thing in the universe.

Post: #9

Not to derail this thread, but how does your wings personality differ from yours? Do you go out with a wing who is completely like you or the complete opposite.

My wing and I complement each other. I play the role of the "dangerous" guy while he plays the role of the "safe" guy.

Post: #10

Not a derail, a good point. I think if you are game aware, you have to put it on yourself to make sure you're adjusting your personality to whoever your wing is. Two wild boys is too much and a pair of boring gentlemen isn't interesting. How does that dangerous/safe dynamic work? My mind visualizes it as you wearing a biker outfit and your bud wearing a turtleneck...

Post: #11

Whenever we go clubbing I stay at his place (because I stay with my parents and we live in a small apartment, there's no way I can bring someone back without waking my family up)

We do the usual clubbing routine; open girls outside the club, dance with them inside if we bump into them, or just dance with random girls on the dance floor.

I open 90% of the time and we take it from there.

I'll give specific examples on how our safe guy dangerous guy dynamic works:-

1. Spoke Russian to this western girl and she wasn't Russian so I asked what her ethnicity was. Her friend who was Asian smiled and said "you know what she is? Not interested"

I went all alpha on her and said "why are you being so rude blablabla" we ended up verbally dueling for awhile and my wing stepped in and said "wow you are the nicest hostile person we've met all night"

She smiled and said thank you. We talk abit more and I call her a tranny because she has a deep voice and I go"dude I think she likes you, look at her bulge" she then starts biting his ear shit like that....

2. I suggest to the girls we want to fuck that we go back to his place (the safe guys house) for drinks food whatever.. And he backs it up by talking about his musical broadway shit. Chick crack basically Audrey Hepburn etc etc

Due to the dichotomy between our personalities, our safe guy dangerous guy dynamic works. I have a harsh look for an Asian and I have the muscles to back up my dangerous look, and I have a mean looking haircut. Im impulsive, had ADHD since I was young. When I go clubbing I dance with whoever I want, regardless of whether they're with anyone. I thrash talk bitchy girls, you get the picture.

My wing doesn't workout, and he has a softer look than I. He's well read; poetry, literature. He's into musical theatre, and the words he used tend to be more innocuous and less curt. People feel at ease around him.

Post: #12

Yup, co-sign to this thread. I think this is a key ingredient to good wingmanship:

1) It builds good karma, and a fun, positive vibe where ever you go.
2) Your wing will appreciate it and repay in kind.
3) It builds value for BOTH of you.
4) It allows value to be built without overt bragging. Basically, a 3rd party drops the bait for you.
5) It's a nice confidence boost. And you can act all humble in response, which is a nice quality to display.
6) And as @sixsix mentioned, it displays loyalty, an admired quality in all human beings.

Teamwork, people!

Post: #13

(02-20-2015 05:43 PM)Fortis Wrote:  I don't think it's that hard to talk someone up, but it definitely helps if that person is actually interesting.

One of my good friends plays guitar professionally, so it's not hard for me to be like, "yo dude, how's the new song coming along" within ear shot of some girls while we're shooting the shit. What helps is that I'm actually interested in the new music, so it's completely authentic.

It's hard to talk up a guy who has nothing going for himself.

Part of talking your wingman up is having good game yourself. Value by assocation. I'd rather take a good greeting when being introduced by a wingman with swag than a clumsy attempt to talk me up by someone awkward. Of course, bragging should always be done by your wingman on your behalf imo.

My friend and wingman is an investment banker. If he were to mention it himself, it would be seen as tryhard banker-wanker. He is living abroad, so when we go out, girls usually ask me what I'm doing and I just mention I'm visiting my friend who works in acme bank as an investment banker. Instant value for us both.

If I'm winging someone with decent game, but dull lifestyle or a job which is average or even slightly negative, I'll just focus on personal qualities or make up some backstory about joint sports/music/whatever achievements in the past. Doesn't even matter if it comes across as true as long as you create that 'rat pack' vibe which girls can't resist and always try to be part off.

I'd rather go out alone than with a wing who doesn't understand basic talk you up game, which isn't even game but common sense.

Post: #14

In my experience, I actually disagree with talking up any of my wings. It's never yielded the desired result.

Talking up a wing, at least with American girls, is like a guy bragging about himself. The typical response is "I'm so not impressed." And I know some high level guys, including guys on this forum.

On the other hand, going with dark sarcasm can backfire too, which I've tried. "Oh him? He just got out of San Quentin for extortion and inciting a riot." This is way over most girl's heads.

The best line in my experience is to put her in a place of qualifying herself, classic game. "I don't know if you're really his type, but who knows. Why don't you go over and talk to him yourself."

Post: #15

(02-26-2015 12:38 PM)Veloce Wrote:  In my experience, I actually disagree with talking up any of my wings. It's never yielded the desired result.

Talking up a wing, at least with American girls, is like a guy bragging about himself. The typical response is "I'm so not impressed." And I know some high level guys, including guys on this forum.

On the other hand, going with dark sarcasm can backfire too, which I've tried. "Oh him? He just got out of San Quentin for extortion and inciting a riot." This is way over most girl's heads.

The best line in my experience is to put her in a place of qualifying herself, classic game. "I don't know if you're really his type, but who knows. Why don't you go over and talk to him yourself."

Ah, but that is the response of hardened American girls used to guys bragging relentlessly.

Post: #16

Good thread, relevant to a situation that went down on the weekend I'd like to get some opinions on.
It concerns the reverse of this: Wings cutting each others lunch.

I have a mate who lives outta town and by accounts does well for himself notch wise. We have no established code or order of operations. I have found sarging with him messy before and could recount stories where shit just hasn't come off. Mainly due to him not staying on his target when we are gaming a pair, or more, of girls, and that's got nothing to do with the attractiveness of the girls. He's real scattered and it's like he wants options on everyone. His chick starts to drift due to lack of attention, and when you loose one, you loose em all.
We just haven't been in situations often enough for us to flesh out a procedure. Though some of those prior engagements should have prompted it.

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This mate and I are hitting up a tapas bar in the city on the weekend, before we roll to a gig at another venue round the corner. It's a lively place with a Dj playing and stools and tables set up on what would be a dance floor later on.

We grab drinks and food and start shooting it. One of the waitresses, a cute, short, brunette in tight red jeans starts floating around our table.
Our food comes, we express our mutual appreciation of her while eating and talking. He floats a potential opener to her, which is quite frankly rubbish. She was over his side of the table a lot and he's doing nothing. On her next flyby by me I grab her elbow and have her take us through the beers on the specials list.

We order a couple, she brings em over and I say "are you joining us?". She says she is at work but the three of us get into a convo, she names one of the Dj's we are going to see and is quite receptive to engaging us. My mate goes for names and we all introduce ourselves to each other. No real signals yet beyond that.

We are at the table getting ready to roll, my mate lays a line down to get her number and hookup a meeting later on, to which I replied - I'll get her digits, leave it to me. I'm thinking I've opened, I have first step to the plate. At this point the bill comes down and he steam rolls the entire play, gets up to do the transaction and hits her up for her number on the pretense of post gig drinks at another bar. I'm fuming. We go to leave and I walk over to her, come in close, grab her elbow and say "it was nice to meet you x, maybe we'll see you later on" She kisses me on the cheek, thinking that's what I was going in for (I wasn't, Dj 20 feet away, I got close to her ear). She immediately gets embarrassed, I smile, she says ok. We bounce.

I dress my mate the fuck down later on about snaking the number without at least consulting what the play is. I go at him hard enough where he offers me the number (I refuse). Later on she flakes via text (he shows me, I'm not interested).

Poor communication? Did my mate AMOG me? Am I bitching out?

Thoughts and opinions appreciated.