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(01-28-2015 03:01 PM)Ronald Reagan Wrote:  Green lantern was made black in the 2000 justice league and justice league unlimited animation despite being a historically white comic book character. The character was one of the coolest on the show and the show was great.

Green Latern's different, as that's more of a job title than a particular character. Several characters have held the position of GL, including John Stewart (a black character from the get-go).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Lante...iographies

So if a GL flick were to star Stewart instead of a Hal Jordan turned black, that would be okay in my book.
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(01-28-2015 04:01 PM)berserk Wrote:  
Quote:In 2013, Nature announced the publication of the first genetic study utilizing next-generation sequencing to ascertain the ancestral lineage of an Ancient Egyptian individual. The research was led by Carsten Pusch of the University of Tübingen in Germany and Rabab Khairat, who released their findings in the Journal of Applied Genetics. DNA was extracted from the heads of five Egyptian mummies that were housed at the institution. All the specimens were dated between 806 BC and 124 AD, a timeframe corresponding with the late Dynastic period. The researchers observed that one of the mummified individuals likely belonged to the mtDNA haplogroup I2, a maternal clade that is believed to have originated in Western Asia.[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_history...ncient_DNA

Huh There's 500 to 1,000+ years between this and the time of Moses and Ramses II, the pharaoh in reference (claimed to have fair skin and red hair). During which time Egypt was conquered by several different groups.

Not to mention those mummies were not pharaohs, or they would have been described as such. It's like using my ancestry to prove Obama's.

Right above what you just quoted:

Quote:A DNA study Hawass at al. (2012) of two male mummies from the Ramesses III 20th dynasty of the New Kingdom found that they carried the haplogroup E1b1a.

This DNA was pulled directly from Ramses III, not "five Egyptian mummies". The pharaoh in question in the posts you quoted was Ramses II.

This is a link to the actual study: http://www.bmj.com/content/345/bmj.e8268

They've also found that the other pharaohs they tested from that time period, including Tutankhamun, had similar DNA. Not to mention severe sickle cell disease being found in many of these pharoahs' mummies. Tut is now believed to have died from this, which originates and is vastly more prevalent in Africans.

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Quote:(Reuters) -Up to 70 percent of British men and half of all Western European men are related to the Egyptian Pharaoh Tutankhamun, geneticists in Switzerland said.

Scientists at Zurich-based DNA genealogy centre, iGENEA, reconstructed the DNA profile of the boy Pharaoh, who ascended the throne at the age of nine, his father Akhenaten and grandfather Amenhotep III, based on a film that was made for the Discovery Channel.

The results showed that King Tut belonged to a genetic profile group, known as haplogroup R1b1a2, to which more than 50 percent of all men in Western Europe belong, indicating that they share a common ancestor.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/08/01...OR20110801

Egypt was multicultural and a melting pot and particularly later dynasties had Nubian and Sub-Sahara influence, maybe even pure Nubian rulers. The earlier dynasties however, were almost certainly not, they might - as King Tuts DNA suggests, even have been of Indo-European admixture at least.

Did you even read this? That Swedish study does not refer to actual DNA testing, but them making assumptions based on images of him.

EDIT: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/...10531.html

"King Tutankhamun died from sickle-cell disease, not malaria, say experts. A team from Hamburg's Bernhard Noct Institute for Tropical Medicine (BNI) claim the disease is a far likelier cause of death than the combination of bone disorders and malaria put forward by Egyptian experts earlier this year.

“The disease can only manifest itself when a sickle cell trait is inherited from both parents: it is a so-called 'recessive inheritance'.”
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Quote:Three quarters of sickle-cell cases occur in Africa. A recent WHO report estimated that around 2% of newborns in Nigeria were affected by sickle cell anaemia, giving a total of 150,000 affected children born every year in Nigeria alone. The carrier frequency ranges between 10% and 40% across equatorial Africa, decreasing to 1–2% on the north African coast and <1% in South Africa.

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The prevalence of the disease in the United States is approximately 1 in 5,000, mostly affecting Americans of Sub-Saharan African descent, according to the National Institutes of Health.[57] In the United States, about 1 out of 500 African-American children and 1 in every 36,000 Hispanic-American children born will have sickle-cell anaemia.

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As a result of population growth in African-Caribbean regions of overseas France and immigration from North and sub-Saharan Africa to mainland France, sickle-cell disease has become a major health problem in France

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In the United Kingdom (UK) it is thought that between 12,000 to 15,000 people have sickle cell disease [67] with an estimate of 250,000 carriers of the condition in England alone.
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There is a French movie called "The Intouchables" about a quadriplegic man and his caregiver. In real life the man was a white Frenchman, and the caregiver was Arabic. In the movie the caregiver is black.

I had a point to make but I forgot what is was after I googled how to spell "Intouchables" Laugh so interpret what I said above however you want haha.

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(01-28-2015 04:49 PM)Switch Wrote:  There is a French movie called "The Intouchables" about a quadriplegic man and his caregiver. In real life the man was a white Frenchman, and the caregiver was Arabic. In the movie the caregiver is black.

I had a point to make but I forgot what is was after I googled how to spell "Intouchables" Laugh so interpret what I said above however you want haha.


I confirm this.

They had to cast a minority for this because it's the whole point of the history: minority, problems with the police, improves himself and befriends another guy who is alone. It just happens that Omar Sy, the black guy, was the raising cinema star at the time, and comes from a similar background (minus the prison and police).
However this is not shocking because the race is totally irrelevant. The main point ( minority guy vs rich but tetraplegic guy is there).

So you can't totally compare Intouchables with this particular case.

Personally I think being offended by this is not really the best thing to do, at least until you've seen the film.

Same for that ghostbuster movie. Who knows, maybe these women will end up making you fall from your seat out of laughter (slim chances, but who knows).
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Uh, to me the biggest problem is suspension of disbelief.

There's no way I can suspend disbelief enough to pretend that the black guy and white girl are biological siblings from the same two parents. It's blatant PC pandering. Forget about race... at least try to make the damn brother and sister look alike. Sheesh.

Also, I'll be looking forward to a new movie with Chris Hemsworth as Shaka Zulu.
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In the movie Black Knight staring Martin Lawrence, the chamber maid played by Marsha Thomason is black (the only other black person in the movie), cause god forbid Martin fall in love with a white women.

Also in the movie How High, Method Man (or Redman, I forget), falls for the Presidents daughter who is black and played by Essence Atkins tard Which is cool except that the President is white. Cause god forbid theres a black president or a black guy fucking the white presidents daughter.....oh the horrors.
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(01-28-2015 06:48 PM)Krusyos Wrote:  Also, I'll be looking forward to a new movie with Chris Hemsworth as Shaka Zulu.

I know right, that'd be about as stupid as having Ben Kingsley play Gandhi.
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Is that Nick Cannon?

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(01-28-2015 07:32 PM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  Is that Nick Cannon?

That's the kid who played Wallace on Season 1 of the Wire.
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I don't care about Wallace being cast in a kid's movie. I just want to express how much strongly I find the "beautiful" Kate Mara to be painfully trying to look at.
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It would have been a better idea just to make Mr.Fantastic Black for the token minority character as it's just wierd to me to have a Black Johnny Storm with a White sister.

And it would be a better race troll by Fox to have a Black lead with a White wife which would really cause a large amount of controversy and buzz for the film.

But looking at the trailer. It just looks like an Interstellar wannabe and won't get the sales of Marvel Studio films as it lacks that pizzazz factor.
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I see nothing to object to. Johnny Storm being black (hopefully) won't matter to the story.
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So is Johnny adopted now? Doesn't that support negative stereotypes about black families? This is awfully problematic...
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It's an action film, they could make her not his sister at all for all I care.
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(01-28-2015 09:32 AM)JustlookingForAGoodTime Wrote:  
(01-28-2015 05:48 AM)Suits Wrote:  Is this really going to ruin the movie for you?
Yes, it will ruin the movie for me. Why don't we just cast a re-make of "Uncle Tom's Cabin" and make the slaves all Asian and the owner and slave drivers Black?

You sound ignorant.
Uncle Toms Cabin is more of a historical movie.

Superheros...don't exist.. period.
There is no conspiracy behind changing the race or a superhero..

On another note... this isnt the first time turkish candy has made race baiting most like this before

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I'm patiently waiting for the third Spider-Man reboot where Peter Parker is black.
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(01-28-2015 09:44 PM)Redwood Wrote:  I'm patiently waiting for the third Spider-Man reboot where Peter Parker is black.

Personally I would not care. Does not change the character. Hell make Superman black, it's irrelevant. These are comic book movies.
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It is amusing that whites have dominated the movies in America since theaters were built and guys here are getting mad over a damn comic book character being switched to black. I would love to see the responses if a minority made a thread on whites playing minority roles in based on true story movies
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(01-28-2015 09:46 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  
(01-28-2015 09:44 PM)Redwood Wrote:  I'm patiently waiting for the third Spider-Man reboot where Peter Parker is black.

Personally I would not care. Does not change the character. Hell make Superman black, it's irrelevant. These are comic book movies.

I'm concerned that this is done more out of white guilt, but I could be wrong.
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People are salty..Because after a couple decades they want to make a fictional character with super human and magical powers a different race.

I wonder how they would feel is, after hundreds of years or white presidents... the government put a black guy in the officer...

oh...wait..

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(01-28-2015 09:44 PM)Redwood Wrote:  I'm patiently waiting for the third Spider-Man reboot where Peter Parker is black.

You mean black and Puerto Rican or straight Dominican
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(01-28-2015 09:55 PM)Redwood Wrote:  
(01-28-2015 09:46 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  
(01-28-2015 09:44 PM)Redwood Wrote:  I'm patiently waiting for the third Spider-Man reboot where Peter Parker is black.

Personally I would not care. Does not change the character. Hell make Superman black, it's irrelevant. These are comic book movies.

I'm concerned that this is done more out of white guilt, but I could be wrong.

I'll wait and see if there are SJW sub-plots.
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(01-28-2015 07:36 PM)OBERYN_ Wrote:  I don't care about Wallace being cast in a kid's movie. I just want to express how much strongly I find the "beautiful" Kate Mara to be painfully trying to look at.

Well, given she's the Invisible Woman, we can only hope our eyes stop bleeding through substantial portions of the film.
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(01-28-2015 09:57 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  People are salty..Because after a couple decades they want to make a fictional character with super human and magical powers a different race.

I wonder how they would feel is, after hundreds of years or white presidents... the government put a black guy in the officer...

oh...wait..

What, you mean the part where they put a black guy who was a fictional character endowed by 50% of the voting population with the super human, magical power of Hope? Banana
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Some guys want to point to SJW for every issue that has to do with change. It's a nice excuse to have I guess.

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