Post: #5626

Earlier on this thread, some of the guys here were downplaying dance game. After some experiences I've had and observations, I think Dance game is really important for Black men. Especially if you are going after non-Black women. If you are a good dancer, its so easy. Just lead her on the dance floor since it's likely her dance skills aren't good. The best part is that you can be average dancer, but being black makes her think you are above average. If she is decent looking, you can get a makeout after a few songs. If she is chubby white girl, its basically a layup where you can bang easily.

Post: #5627

^So what dance style do you recommend?

Post: #5628

Dancing coherently works stateside because the vast majority of dudes here don't dance well worth shit(including myself). So the off chance I give it a go and don't look absolutely horrible generally results in a good experience. Not to mention lots of closeness with a chick.

Dance game success is always the exception and not the rule mainly because most dudes in foreign countries will kick you to the curb if you try it on their turf(or more importantly when they're on yours looking at all those Latin dudes stateside). Unless you're one of those crazy professional dancers that would have the ability to post that shit on YouTube for $$$.

See here for the kind of competition competent dancers bring:




There's always two or three of these types(that are also attractive) at most major clubs that absolutely kill it with the chicks. The key to it is getting the girl out on the floor(you're about 50/50 on whether she's confident enough or not) and then getting her involved in it in some way. Bonus points if you teach her a few moves.

Edit: Related note I still think night clubs are underrated as hell and everyone shits on them a bit too much. The competition is actually chilling down a bit as guys these days think there's no way to get laid there period. By being the guy that does dare to approach you might get more mileage than you think. Granted these days I never go alone and am always with a mixed group. Either that or a friend has to be playing that night.

Post: #5629

Listening to Moma and Rudebwoy's May podcast since I got a bit of time tonight and have a free schedule tomorrow. Not done yet but a bit caught my ear. It was on the whole interracial dating thing though specifically related to the whole white girl dating black guy scenario.

Think interracial dating period is a carte blanche to go all out and indulge your fantasies generally. Girls walk in for the stereotype white asian latina etc. They date guys they don't normally go for because they want some kind of experience. They don't want to get the culture but want a taste of the food(both literally and metaphorically). All this being said I'm talking girls more specifically state side. The states is filled with people who buy into the stereotypes. Whether social media has made it worse is another question. Who knows maybe it'll level out 15 years from now.

On the converse side dudes dating out(think this was discussed a bit earlier in the show but again more specifically), I actually think it is much the same as the chicks. It's sampling but more on a physical scale. The white girl hanging with the Persians at the hookah lounge with her Persian boyfriend wants the full on experience. Us guys just want that accent and unique piece of arm candy if the roles were reversed.

Girls always love to ingrain themselves into your friend group or among people you know(or atleast try too) if they view themselves as a serious option at the time(and lets be real in their early fantasy phase they always do before they try gaslighting the guys that are doormats while simultaneously isolating them from people close to them that aren't her).

I'll post some more thoughts after I finish.

Post: #5630

(05-27-2017 08:31 PM)Iso Wrote:  Earlier on this thread, some of the guys here were downplaying dance game. After some experiences I've had and observations, I think Dance game is really important for Black men. Especially if you are going after non-Black women. If you are a good dancer, its so easy. Just lead her on the dance floor since it's likely her dance skills aren't good. The best part is that you can be average dancer, but being black makes her think you are above average. If she is decent looking, you can get a makeout after a few songs. If she is chubby white girl, its basically a layup where you can bang easily.

Say it with me now...NO CHUBBIES

In other news, brothers...I say beware of people who centralize whiteness, saying all else is a "niche" or "fetish," and reducing your success with white girls to fetishism.

If a white girl likes ya, it's cuz you're bomb. Just like any girl.

Post: #5631

(05-27-2017 08:31 PM)Iso Wrote:  Earlier on this thread, some of the guys here were downplaying dance game. After some experiences I've had and observations, I think Dance game is really important for Black men. Especially if you are going after non-Black women. If you are a good dancer, its so easy. Just lead her on the dance floor since it's likely her dance skills aren't good. The best part is that you can be average dancer, but being black makes her think you are above average. If she is decent looking, you can get a makeout after a few songs. If she is chubby white girl, its basically a layup where you can bang easily.

Dance floor game can only take you so far. That's the only way I'm really able to open women. Social circles are very important to being able to game girls as clubs. Maybe it's different in your city but here it's important to access the hottest girls.

I watched a club nightclub game video, one thing I added from it is when I dance with her is to face her and place my knee in between her thighs and grind it against her pussy.

Of course I try to hit spots where the emphasis on this is limited as possible. But the hotter girls generally can't be hit on here or isolated because as soon as they walk in the club they make a beeline to some guys' booth for the night.

I actually opened probably the hottest woman I've ever approached Friday night. She was with a chubby girl and not part of any circle and passed me on the floor and I purposely made it a point to brush against her and to my surprise she reacted my dancing against me. She's actually new here from a small city 2 hours away so that's probably why she was so cool. Girls as hot as her I never see dancing in the middle of the floor.

I have her # I'm on the fence on just calling her instead of texting. These broads are so lazy with responding to texts nowadays.

Post: #5632

(05-28-2017 09:33 AM)Banna Wrote:  

(05-27-2017 08:31 PM)Iso Wrote:  Earlier on this thread, some of the guys here were downplaying dance game. After some experiences I've had and observations, I think Dance game is really important for Black men. Especially if you are going after non-Black women. If you are a good dancer, its so easy. Just lead her on the dance floor since it's likely her dance skills aren't good. The best part is that you can be average dancer, but being black makes her think you are above average. If she is decent looking, you can get a makeout after a few songs. If she is chubby white girl, its basically a layup where you can bang easily.

Dance floor game can only take you so far. That's the only way I'm really able to open women. Social circles are very important to being able to game girls as clubs. Maybe it's different in your city but here it's important to access the hottest girls.

I watched a club nightclub game video, one thing I added from it is when I dance with her is to face her and place my knee in between her thighs and grind it against her pussy.

Of course I try to hit spots where the emphasis on this is limited as possible. But the hotter girls generally can't be hit on here or isolated because as soon as they walk in the club they make a beeline to some guys' booth for the night.

I actually opened probably the hottest woman I've ever approached Friday night. She was with a chubby girl and not part of any circle and passed me on the floor and I purposely made it a point to brush against her and to my surprise she reacted my dancing against me. She's actually new here from a small city 2 hours away so that's probably why she was so cool. Girls as hot as her I never see dancing in the middle of the floor.

I have her # I'm on the fence on just calling her instead of texting. These broads are so lazy with responding to texts nowadays.

Banna, why not just go for the pull? Numbers from bars/clubs seldom translate into dates these days.

Post: #5633

(05-28-2017 04:01 AM)KrisGLWorldwide Wrote:  

(05-27-2017 08:31 PM)Iso Wrote:  Earlier on this thread, some of the guys here were downplaying dance game. After some experiences I've had and observations, I think Dance game is really important for Black men. Especially if you are going after non-Black women. If you are a good dancer, its so easy. Just lead her on the dance floor since it's likely her dance skills aren't good. The best part is that you can be average dancer, but being black makes her think you are above average. If she is decent looking, you can get a makeout after a few songs. If she is chubby white girl, its basically a layup where you can bang easily.

Say it with me now...NO CHUBBIES

In other news, brothers...I say beware of people who centralize whiteness, saying all else is a "niche" or "fetish," and reducing your success with white girls to fetishism.

If a white girl likes ya, it's cuz you're bomb. Just like any girl.

Co sign with the chubby part. Leave that for some other guy that'll let these women off the hook for living such a lazy lifestyle. I'm actually in Buffalo right now about to head back home.

This city is damned woman purgatory!! Now I didn't come here with the intention of gaming women or had high expectations. I'm actually here at a hotel because my brother did security for teddy riley and Aaron Hall from 90s group Guy and i came to meet him. . But logistics are so good at this hotel that if any girl looked even half decent it'd be no problem closing.

I'd be seriously depressed if I lived here. These black women are so fat and nearly all of them have multiple tattoos and smoke like chimney stacks. I thought Toronto was bad enough for black women and then I came here.

They have a club situated downstairs and this 25 year old beluga that knows a cutie my brother was messing with was groping me hoping I'd take her upstairs. "We don't have tall fine brotha like yall 2 in Buffalo" she says. I kinda just weaseled my way out and I could see her disappointed look at the end of the night as she sat slumped on the couch in the lounge as I left.

F that!!! I'm happy I just hugged my pillows all night lol

Post: #5634

(05-28-2017 09:40 AM)GymBro Wrote:  

(05-28-2017 09:33 AM)Banna Wrote:  

(05-27-2017 08:31 PM)Iso Wrote:  Earlier on this thread, some of the guys here were downplaying dance game. After some experiences I've had and observations, I think Dance game is really important for Black men. Especially if you are going after non-Black women. If you are a good dancer, its so easy. Just lead her on the dance floor since it's likely her dance skills aren't good. The best part is that you can be average dancer, but being black makes her think you are above average. If she is decent looking, you can get a makeout after a few songs. If she is chubby white girl, its basically a layup where you can bang easily.

Dance floor game can only take you so far. That's the only way I'm really able to open women. Social circles are very important to being able to game girls as clubs. Maybe it's different in your city but here it's important to access the hottest girls.

I watched a club nightclub game video, one thing I added from it is when I dance with her is to face her and place my knee in between her thighs and grind it against her pussy.

Of course I try to hit spots where the emphasis on this is limited as possible. But the hotter girls generally can't be hit on here or isolated because as soon as they walk in the club they make a beeline to some guys' booth for the night.

I actually opened probably the hottest woman I've ever approached Friday night. She was with a chubby girl and not part of any circle and passed me on the floor and I purposely made it a point to brush against her and to my surprise she reacted my dancing against me. She's actually new here from a small city 2 hours away so that's probably why she was so cool. Girls as hot as her I never see dancing in the middle of the floor.

I have her # I'm on the fence on just calling her instead of texting. These broads are so lazy with responding to texts nowadays.

Banna, why not just go for the pull? Numbers from bars/clubs seldom translate into dates these days.

Maybe in your world.

Post: #5635

(05-27-2017 09:50 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^So what dance style do you recommend?

I don't think that matters in most non-Black clubs. It's all about getting her to grind on you and you getting her turned on by touching her in the right places. One move I love is doing the neck kiss while she is grinding on me. If you do it right, the girl will keep tilting her chin up, which is signal for you to kiss her in the neck again. I use dance game for quick makeouts and pulling her from the club after 30 minutes-1 hour.

Post: #5636

I went out with a real butter face Friday night. I mean her body was absolutely perfect but her face looked like a catchers mit. She had a great personality and was easy going so I didn't mind subsidizing her $25 drinks/appetizer to be in my company but she didn't bother to say thank you. All I had was a grean tea since I don't drink and was fasting.
I was already on the fence, but the ungratefulness pushed me over the edge.

How do y'all feel about chics who don't say thank you?

Post: #5637

(05-28-2017 10:33 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  I went out with a real butter face Friday night. I mean her body was absolutely perfect but her face looked like a catchers mit. She had a great personality and was easy going so I didn't mind subsidizing her $25 drinks/appetizer to be in my company but she didn't bother to say thank you. All I had was a grean tea since I don't drink and was fasting.
I was already on the fence, but the ungratefulness pushed me over the edge.

How do y'all feel about chics who don't say thank you?

What did you do after the date? Were you looking to bang? I would rather get the bang and no thank you than a thank you and no bang. I do agree with you that no 'thank you' shows a lack of manners though.

Post: #5638

True, true.
We started & ended back at my spot due my logistics. I sucked on that catchers mit briefly but she kept harping about an early morning appointment so we bid farewells. She was a nice gal besides the lack of appreciation. Maybe I'm just subconsciously looking for an excuse to curve that face only a mother could love lol.

Post: #5639

(05-27-2017 09:50 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^So what dance style do you recommend?

I mentioned it earlier in the thread but I would endorse kizomba or any other latin dance. Kizomba is growing in popularity and is spreading throughout Western Europe, especially the Netherlands and Germany. I know this doesn't apply to all the brothas on this thread, but it might be worth researching whether there is a local kizomba scene in your vicinity.

A majority of the Dutch girls I've dated here have been kizomba dancers, funny since I've never stepped foot in a kizomba party. However, I have noticed the trend of women in that scene preferring Black or Latin men. I've even been told by most of the girls that the scene is quite incestuous. Lots of hooking up within the community, which should come as no surprise since the atmosphere is so conducive to building sexual attraction.

There always seems to be kizomba parties and festivals. Actually, one of my FWB just texted me a photo of her before heading out to a kizomba beach party (idea for your next trip, Kirdiesel). She was wearing a tight skirt and midriff shirt, looking damn fine. I can see why the 'hooking up' is prevalent in that scene...

There is another perk beyond meeting women. The kizomba crowd likes to travel for festivals and parties. One of my boys is in Brazil, traveling and going to dance parties. The videos he has posted have been spectacular, saw some fine ass women...

With that said, I can't be bothered to take dance classes. My evenings are already booked and I don't really enjoy dancing. But it's something worth looking into for you brothas that like to cut it up on the dance floor.

Post: #5640

@DimeBait,

She was ungrateful, a butterface, and repeatedly gave excuses for not putting out? I think that' a hard next.

I know it was a first date but I believe there should be a limit on the effort put in for ugly or low quality women if you are only looking to bang. You've already made your intentions known, if she doesn't actively pursue you now or push for the bang, I think you should move on.

Post: #5641

@Dimebait,

There shouldn't have been a date in the first place. I don't care if she was built to last. If broad is ugly like a catchers mitt, she can do nothing but bring your value down. I don't know how some guys date ugly broads. I need a pretty face. I don't even know how you kissed her ugly ass. She's an ugly ingrate. NEXT!

Post: #5642

(05-28-2017 03:11 PM)Fury Wrote:  

(05-27-2017 09:50 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^So what dance style do you recommend?

I mentioned it earlier in the thread but I would endorse kizomba or any other latin dance. Kizomba is growing in popularity and is spreading throughout Western Europe, especially the Netherlands and Germany. I know this doesn't apply to all the brothas on this thread, but it might be worth researching whether there is a local kizomba scene in your vicinity.

A majority of the Dutch girls I've dated here have been kizomba dancers, funny since I've never stepped foot in a kizomba party. However, I have noticed the trend of women in that scene preferring Black or Latin men. I've even been told by most of the girls that the scene is quite incestuous. Lots of hooking up within the community, which should come as no surprise since the atmosphere is so conducive to building sexual attraction.

There always seems to be kizomba parties and festivals. Actually, one of my FWB just texted me a photo of her before heading out to a kizomba beach party (idea for your next trip, Kirdiesel). She was wearing a tight skirt and midriff shirt, looking damn fine. I can see why the 'hooking up' is prevalent in that scene...

There is another perk beyond meeting women. The kizomba crowd likes to travel for festivals and parties. One of my boys is in Brazil, traveling and going to dance parties. The videos he has posted have been spectacular, saw some fine ass women...

With that said, I can't be bothered to take dance classes. My evenings are already booked and I don't really enjoy dancing. But it's something worth looking into for you brothas that like to cut it up on the dance floor.

I just looked up kizomba on the strength of this thread. Literally looks like the laziest ass dance style ever. Samba + forward grinding - athleticism or any actual moves you'd need instruction for = kizomba. LOL This is how I'd dance with a girl just automatically.

Basically just another excuse to have sex. I'm for it!

Post: #5643

Question for black guys here on this situation. I'm black, but rarely ever hit on black women because I didn't grow around many.


I'm at a mostly white bar (90-95% white). I'm waiting in a crowded line for drinks at the bar. A black girl stands next to me. 5' 8", nice dark skin, fat ass, but not fat. She pushes the left side of my face with her hands. When I turn to her to try to talk to her, she doesn't acknowledge. I quit after 1 sentence.

My thinking was that was her way of trying to flirt with me. I didn't step her to right, so she didn't let me game.

What are your thoughts?

Post: #5644

(05-28-2017 06:17 PM)KrisGLWorldwide Wrote:  

(05-28-2017 03:11 PM)Fury Wrote:  

(05-27-2017 09:50 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^So what dance style do you recommend?

I mentioned it earlier in the thread but I would endorse kizomba or any other latin dance. Kizomba is growing in popularity and is spreading throughout Western Europe, especially the Netherlands and Germany. I know this doesn't apply to all the brothas on this thread, but it might be worth researching whether there is a local kizomba scene in your vicinity.

A majority of the Dutch girls I've dated here have been kizomba dancers, funny since I've never stepped foot in a kizomba party. However, I have noticed the trend of women in that scene preferring Black or Latin men. I've even been told by most of the girls that the scene is quite incestuous. Lots of hooking up within the community, which should come as no surprise since the atmosphere is so conducive to building sexual attraction.

There always seems to be kizomba parties and festivals. Actually, one of my FWB just texted me a photo of her before heading out to a kizomba beach party (idea for your next trip, Kirdiesel). She was wearing a tight skirt and midriff shirt, looking damn fine. I can see why the 'hooking up' is prevalent in that scene...

There is another perk beyond meeting women. The kizomba crowd likes to travel for festivals and parties. One of my boys is in Brazil, traveling and going to dance parties. The videos he has posted have been spectacular, saw some fine ass women...

With that said, I can't be bothered to take dance classes. My evenings are already booked and I don't really enjoy dancing. But it's something worth looking into for you brothas that like to cut it up on the dance floor.

Samba + forward grinding - athleticism or any actual moves you'd need instruction for = kizomba. LOL This is how I'd dance with a girl just automatically.

Haha....so you normally dance Samba?
Did you take lessons?

Post: #5645

Iso - why did she touch you?

I would assume that was her way of flirting with you, girls don't usually touch guys they find ugly.

Might not be the best answer, I would have said "there is a price to touch me".

Post: #5646

(05-29-2017 02:56 PM)Iso Wrote:  Question for black guys here on this situation. I'm black, but rarely ever hit on black women because I didn't grow around many.


I'm at a mostly white bar (90-95% white). I'm waiting in a crowded line for drinks at the bar. A black girl stands next to me. 5' 8", nice dark skin, fat ass, but not fat. She pushes the left side of my face with her hands. When I turn to her to try to talk to her, she doesn't acknowledge. I quit after 1 sentence.

My thinking was that was her way of trying to flirt with me. I didn't step her to right, so she didn't let me game.

What are your thoughts?

Short answer? Ego games. Did it because she could.

You'd be surprised how often bad bitches throw hints like cheese at a mouse just to amuse themselves.

Post: #5647

(05-29-2017 02:56 PM)Iso Wrote:  Question for black guys here on this situation. I'm black, but rarely ever hit on black women because I didn't grow around many.


I'm at a mostly white bar (90-95% white). I'm waiting in a crowded line for drinks at the bar. A black girl stands next to me. 5' 8", nice dark skin, fat ass, but not fat. She pushes the left side of my face with her hands. When I turn to her to try to talk to her, she doesn't acknowledge. I quit after 1 sentence.

My thinking was that was her way of trying to flirt with me. I didn't step her to right, so she didn't let me game.

What are your thoughts?

My response may be less popular--snap on that bitch. Its not ok for a girl to put your hands on your face. Im siding with jackflag on the fact that she did it because she could. She was interested (proximity rule) and then went full blown 3rd grade flirt move--shits just not ok that she thinks that is an acceptable form of behavior and I'm going to make sure she knows that and everyone in the immediate area knows that shit is not cool.
I may make a fool out of myself but I'm taking this rude bitch down first.

....Ironically this will probably make her apologize and turn into a little doe

I'm in the camp of if you can't decide how to act choose the display of strength/asshole option

Post: #5648

(05-27-2017 08:31 PM)Iso Wrote:  Earlier on this thread, some of the guys here were downplaying dance game. After some experiences I've had and observations, I think Dance game is really important for Black men. Especially if you are going after non-Black women. If you are a good dancer, its so easy. Just lead her on the dance floor since it's likely her dance skills aren't good. The best part is that you can be average dancer, but being black makes her think you are above average. If she is decent looking, you can get a makeout after a few songs. If she is chubby white girl, its basically a layup where you can bang easily.

(05-27-2017 09:50 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^So what dance style do you recommend?

go to 10:30. shit surprises the fuck outta the hunnie bunnies everytime. But in a "smile-omg-smile" way. Establishes dominance and confidence, also invites her into a bubble with you even though people are going to be watching. Sometimes I'll add some mr miagi ass waxing and ass biting.




@3:00-about 4:00 look at the second girl line up for her turn lol. shit he says in the beginning is what makes picking up these girls and humping them work.

Works anywhere a girl will grind on you...which is pretty much any dance floor. I love busting it out at pool parties and party barges personally

Post: #5649

(05-29-2017 04:17 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  Haha....so you normally dance Samba?
Did you take lessons?

I tried. I failed. But this kizomba looks easy as crap. Something else I noticed in the videos - all the girls in these groups were white, all the guys were melinated. Looks like a big excuse to get what you REALLY want out of life, which I'm all for.

Post: #5650

(05-29-2017 05:08 PM)jackflag Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 02:56 PM)Iso Wrote:  Question for black guys here on this situation. I'm black, but rarely ever hit on black women because I didn't grow around many.


I'm at a mostly white bar (90-95% white). I'm waiting in a crowded line for drinks at the bar. A black girl stands next to me. 5' 8", nice dark skin, fat ass, but not fat. She pushes the left side of my face with her hands. When I turn to her to try to talk to her, she doesn't acknowledge. I quit after 1 sentence.

My thinking was that was her way of trying to flirt with me. I didn't step her to right, so she didn't let me game.

What are your thoughts?

Short answer? Ego games. Did it because she could.

You'd be surprised how often bad bitches throw hints like cheese at a mouse just to amuse themselves.

Thanks. I'm starting to notice that more these days. I use to be "corny" in the eyes of Black women for 95% of my life. Its only been recently since my game has improved, my body got bigger, and my posture has caught up. The last year I've paid attention to those little hints of women hitting on me. They always stand next to me or ask an innocent question. Even Black women are doing it these days to me.