Post: #1

Noblest members of the Rooshv community,

I am writing to solicit your advice regarding an opportunity that I
will have this summer. Your thoughts on the matter will almost
certainly be useful visitors of this forum.

I will be living with a natural Super Alpha friend of mine for 3
months this summer. As anyone who has consciously tried to improve
their game or "level of alpha-ness" knows, a great deal can be learned
from just occasional hang-out sessions with lesser alphas or even
greater betas. I would like to know how to maximize this experience.

I'll spare you my life story, but a little about myself first: I am 20
years old, and would consider myself a garden variety or perhaps
lesser beta. The various circumstances of my upbringing (crazy
fundamentalist religious upbringing, excessive teasing,
psychologically abusive step mother, etc.) make it quite difficult to
discern whether this is my biologically determined alpha level. Either
way, I lost my virginity a few months ago and got my first ever make
out a few months before that. Conscious efforts to improve my alpha
level have indeed left me with a greater ability socialize with and
control my peers. Also...judging by my insane ability to attract gay
men and comments that people have made about me, I think that I am at
least of above average physical attractiveness.

Now, about my friend. I will elaborate separately on what you
would perhaps deem his important alpha and beta traits. Admittedly, I have
left out much of each in order to conceal his identity.

Beta: He is in his mid twenties and has been married for about 5
years, with two legitimate and one illegitimate child. He is
marginally religious (which is the cause for his marriage...outside of
that religious devotion, he may not have married).

Alpha: He has never (to my knowledge) cheated on his wife, but, before
his marriage, had something like 300 different "notches" or sexual
partners. He has an incredible ability (according to my observations
and his own admission, though not in these exact words) to control the
"frame" of social interactions. He used to be an MMA fighter, and is
in excellent physical condition (though he is not that tall...in fact
he is relatively short). He attends the most selective and difficult
college/school at our university and is very successful in all of his
classes, though he rarely reads. He has never masturbated (didn't
believe him at first...but his off the charts testosterone and
lifestyle attest to this). I could go on. And on.

Shall I be frank?

I. Want. That.

Seriously. I would be a fool to go into this situation without a
concrete plan for how to extract the greatest possible amount of
experience and knowledge. What would you, most majestic Rooshians, do in this situation?

I plan to get a job and do a bit of independent studying over the
summer, but those are my only other plans. This summer, when we hang
out, it will most likely include lots of disc golf. Also, he has
promised to take me out to a few bars once I turn twenty one. Any
advice on how to capitalize on this (or similar ones, for forum visitors) opportunity would be a godsend.

Thank you.

Post: #2

Usually the guys (I know) that claim to have 300 notches really have like 20, or the bulk of those notches are from low quality girls (IE fatties) and that's of no use to you.

So, if he's as Alpha as you believe, and if he's had those 300 notches, convince him to live the next 300 vicariously through you. I'm not sure how his family will come into play during this, but I can't imagine it will help for you bringing women back to hang out with/bang.

I hope this experience doesn't let you down! Good luck!

Post: #3

never trust a man who says he doesn't masturbate, he's already lying to you

Post: #4

(04-25-2011 05:01 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  never trust a man who says he doesn't masturbate, he's already lying to you

Hahaha


Back to OP ...

I'd get as good as you can on your own BEFORE you get to live with this guy. Get in as good of shape as you can. Read whatever it is you have to read to start getting your head in the Game and the gears turning. You dont want to hash out basics with this guy, you want to have the GenEds of game out of the way so that you can take the full force of his awesome (I realize now after writing how gay that last line kinda sounds)

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Post: #5

Thanks for the quick responses guys.

I really like the idea of asking him to "live his 300 notches vicariously through me." That is a fantastic idea. In fact, I'm definitely gonna use that line. I have a whole summer to pick his brain. And I feel like I have a good grasp of the "GenEds" of games...after reading a few books and the interwebs quite a bit over the past few years. Roosh and Roissy...are fantastic.

As for masturbation...I have no way of really knowing. But we were involved in the same church growing up...and masturbation was a huuuuuge issue there. I personally went stretches of 9 months at a time in middle and high school without doing it because of that...the psychological torture was ridiculous. I wouldn't be surprised if he made it all those years without doing it. Plus, I've been to the doctor with the guy...his testosterone is indeed off the charts.

Part of the inflated number is definitely a niche thing. Based on fragments of conversations we've had...I've pieced together that there are a few niches that he exploited to the max, so this may say something about his "alpha level." There are other things related to his alpha prowess that I also feel obligated not to share that I wish I could...but I would feel bad talking about it randomly on the interwebs.

Anyways, thanks a lot for your responses guys!

Post: #6

First of all forgot the idea of vicariously living through this guy

Do you think the dude would be interested in living vicariously through you or anybody else?

Fuck that. Plough your own path

Man up and realise that if you do not choose to live your own life then your life will live you

Post: #7

I'm highly suspicious of a guy who says he never masturbated yet is smooth and relaxed enough to pull 300 notches. That particular psychological block and the pulling of ass don't jive. But I guess there could be strange, strange exceptions to all rules everywhere.

If you want to access your core alpha, seriously, go learn to either box or wrestle. I recommend wrestling, as it causes less brain damage. Join a local club and spend four years doing it as much as you can. You also have to lift weights while you do this to get the most out of it. Allow three of those years for getting your ass kicked. After you have insanely tough grueling workouts, you have to make sure that you keep showing up, especially in a club atmosphere. And you have to compete. Getting your ass kicked, and realizing that you can take an ass beating, will make you very confident and legitimately tough. It wont make you an absolute alpha with women, but it'll help move you along that path and it'll help give you the body of an alpha.

Then, go out and start interacting with women. You have to allow three or four years of fucking up here as well. Get into as many relationships as you can. Guys here promote the opposite, but that's for men who can already pull ass. If you look to stay out of relationships, your going to be too far in-between romantic interactions to learn anything. You have to learn. And you have to fuck up to learn. Your not even close to being able to be a high volume casual fling guy. You need to get in there and fight in the trenches for a while, learning what women want and what they respond to.


As for your friend:
Ask him to train you on the mat. Ask him to include you as his wingman. Just watch him. I don't think that a beta male can become alpha just by watching other alphas, otherwise being a beta male would be short term for most men, and its not, but I do think that watching them can help a little. Primarily, you have to interact with women. Ask him to do everything that he can to help you meet women. Maybe he has enough charm to help you get those introductions.

Post: #8

(04-25-2011 05:37 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  I'd get as good as you can on your own BEFORE you get to live with this guy. Get in as good of shape as you can.

Agreed 100%, you'll optimize your results hanging out with him if you hit the ground running.

(04-26-2011 12:13 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  I'm highly suspicious of a guy who says he never masturbated yet is smooth and relaxed enough to pull 300 notches.

Heh, you never know. Perhaps his way of waxing his carrot was just putting it into the first available girl. I'd rather take care of myself than bang a monster though, but at 300 notches, you're going to get some real quality in there too.

(04-26-2011 08:21 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  First of all forgot the idea of vicariously living through this guy

Do you think the dude would be interested in living vicariously through you or anybody else?

This. I wasn't suggesting you flat-out TELL this guy that you want to do that. You convince him that it's "ok" that you're bringing women back to this place, where his family presumable is, and that he'll wing you. That way his mindset is, "Well I'm stuck married, but at least my buddy is banging girls left and right."

Post: #9

(04-26-2011 12:13 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  I recommend wrestling, as it causes less brain damage.

Fucking lol'd. Hard. I'm actually wanting to look into boxing this summer once I get my shit straight. I was approached by an Olympic coach when I was 19 but was too pussy to take his offer. He also might have been full of shit so there's that too.

I like this idea though, and I agree get to the gym. The inner game boost you get from hitting the gym is invaluable.

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Post: #10

(04-26-2011 06:14 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

(04-26-2011 12:13 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  I recommend wrestling, as it causes less brain damage.

Totally true, there's no greater tool for a man than feeling like a warrior. It's an ancient checkbox that when satisfied completes you in a very deep way.

FOr me it was Rugby, discovered it at 18 (been playing 14 years straight) and fell in love completely with it, both for the philosphy and the sport itself. I wasn't bullied a lot when I was a kid, but was brought up by my very fearful catholic Mom and I think she passed some of that shit onto me, so I found this sport where it's a constant fight with fear, constant overcoming of mental and physical challenges, and (most people don't realize this) a very strong philosophy where humble, silent persistence, teamwork, tolerance, discipline, respect for authority, are the most important things. Mental skills are very valuable too, as you learn to switch states between really cold, strategic and cerebral to very agressive and physical in milliseconds (very important for the street and life in general).

You have to know to both defend, attack, kick and do all of it, it's part of the challenge. The Celebration after every match IS sacred, whether you won or lost, you get to talk and share a beer with the people that just a while before where your contenders. You get and give respect, like true men do.

So yeah, I can tell that it changed my life for the better and any activity or sport that makes you get used to going to your limits and beyond, is great for any man.