Post: #1

I was just recently talking with my 18 year old cousin and I was blown away when he showed me a picture of the girl he has been fucking. She's easily a 9, looks a couple of years older than him, very pretty face but INSANE body(i don't think I've actually pulled a body that good ever).
him: 7 at best, he is very tall but he is pale, has some acne. Good facial structure but he seems like he'd be overlooked by most girls. he's also skinny. his hair isnt very flattering.. basically he has done nothing to improve his looks whatsoever.

I asked him his experience with girls in the past and he told me he'd only had sex with one other girl for like 3 minutes, so I asked him how he had the confidence to approach such a babe. he told me that he didn't really approach her, never really pedastalized her like others did, but showed mild interest. And she did the rest of the work. He's kind of an asshole to her even(i saw texts) but she pretty much begs him for sex.

He said that she liked how innocent he was, actually thought he could be a virgin and that the fact that she'd finally be hooking up with a guy who hasn't had sex with someone she knows. he said she had 4 or 5 partners before him supposedly.


Which got me thinking... and of course, I'm too old to play this angle at 24(Its probably creepy past like 20), but if young guys into game(17-19) faked this angle with very hot girls, the girls might go for it seeing as it's probably one of their last chances to hook up with an innocent guy before they're too old and seen as perverted. It made me recall girls who lusted after me when I was 17 and fairly innocent. I think that the innocence + underlying knowledge of game could possibly hook one of these girls. Imagine that hot girl's hamster.. taking the alleged innocence of a guy and thinking he's going to get all these feelings for her and want her 24/7, and then seeing that he doesn't and that he's actually quite aloof.... it's going to drive her crazy.


Just curious if any of you younger guys have tried something like this or would.

Post: #2

Seems interesting. Are you sure he wasn't just running tall guy game? I sometimes joke about being a virgin, not sure if it would sound right when said seriously.

Post: #3

(12-23-2014 12:45 PM)britchard Wrote:  Seems interesting. Are you sure he wasn't just running tall guy game? I sometimes joke about being a virgin, not sure if it would sound right when said seriously.

He never actually said he was a virgin or said anything about his sexual past until she asked(at which point she was already interested) but he just acted sexually innocent, part of it was not gaming her like a dog as others around them did, or beta-ly asking her on a date which some others did as well. He seemed assured that neither of those methods would have worked on this girl because she sees both of them so much: the obvious player who uses game and the beta chump. He was neither and continues to not be beta even though he's fucking a hot girl repeatedly. He even told her he "wants to know what its like to be with other girls" and it got her hamster going full blown crazy.

Tall guy game... I suppose I'm not familiar with it! He's like 6'2 so he's definitely tall but I never saw just height alone being enough to get a quality girl like that. Tallness helps when coupled with game/good looks but neither of those are his particular strong suits.

Post: #4

Hell I have a friend who is in his mid-twenties, had girl problems early in his life, and is now dating a really cute girl a few points above him. She said "You have the kindest eyes" to him at a bar the other night and was all over him.

Some girls just dig it. I dunno.

Post: #5

The closest I had was a stripper I banged a few months ago. I mean I gamed her pretty well... but I also owned the fact that I was basically innocent compared to her. Like I would say shit like "you're bad for me", or "you're trouble". And she'd say how nice I was and such...(I probably was nice compared to the guys she typically fucks).

So I guess I could see how this works as long as you have a non-needy frame and are cool.

On the other hand, with the typical chick I don't think that works that well.

So I guess it's a niche strategy you use sometimes with certain girls... while with most other girls it's probably better to be a bit more bad-boyish and r-selected.

Post: #6

Girls who want 'innocent' men...isn't that a red flag for wanting to control the man?

Post: #7

(12-23-2014 12:34 PM)Aenema Wrote:  I was just recently talking with my 18 year old cousin and I was blown away when he showed me a picture of the girl he has been fucking. She's easily a 9, looks a couple of years older than him, very pretty face but INSANE body(i don't think I've actually pulled a body that good ever).
him: 7 at best, he is very tall but he is pale, has some acne. Good facial structure but he seems like he'd be overlooked by most girls. he's also skinny. his hair isnt very flattering.. basically he has done nothing to improve his looks whatsoever.

An 18 year old with "some acne" you say? 6 foot 2 inches tall you say? Good facial structure. Mediocre to low game? An 18 year old that tall who is skinny? He got a girl semi-ignoring her?

Not shocking at all and I doubt there's anything really to be learned here.

Post: #8

Yes I think this can work for younger guys, saying they are a virgin many girls will have their interested piqued especially if the guy is running decent game. There are bad girls that get off on corrupting a young innocent guy they think is attractive, especially as females feel more in power in Western culture.

I would still default to strong game and social status as a younger guy even. That will always win. I think you are stacking the odds against yourself by trying to shortcut like this.

Also she sounds like a beginner and most likely intermediate slut.

"She wanted to have sex with someone that hasn't already had sex with someone she knows." It sounds like the crowd she's with gets around with each other a lot including her. I am going to up her N count to the 10+ realm.

Post: #9

People go back and forth between types. Like a pendulum. She's had her fill of Alpha guys, felt unfulfilled, and thought the innocent boy next door was the answer. After a while she may feel unfulfilled again and then go back to the Alpha/Bad-boy type or whatever is opposite of the current guy, thinking that will be the answer.

Besides all that, American culture celebrates a man who is impotent in his masculinity. You'll see it in every TV show and movie. Sex and the City had a character with only one testicle! On a physical level, the most popular actors look boyish. (Leonardo DiCaprio, Colin Farrell, Mark Wahlberg, Brad Pitt, Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, etc Much different from the days of Clint Eastwood, and Charles Bronson.

Post: #10

(12-23-2014 02:22 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  Girls who want 'innocent' men...isn't that a red flag for wanting to control the man?

It is. However this "control" or better yet lets call it by its correct name mothering is a shit test. If you playfully challenge her regardless of if you are right of wrong she'll get frustrated at you. However, she'll respect your insistence to do it your way first.

You have to be careful to trust enough in your own abilities, otherwise you'll get the classic whipped male with the wife wearing the pants.

Since i'm more laid back (read passive) I tend to attract a lot more "yang" type women than I'm happy to admit to this forum. While not necessarily a bad thing, you damn well make sure that you know how you want your woman to treat you.

I don't fault a chick for having a dominant personality, but she damn well will behave in a manner I deem acceptable.

Post: #11

This is a good game to play.
I have a buddy who is in his 30s and plays a similar naïve game with girls, meaning he plays dumb.
A lot of girls get turned off or intimidated by confident guys, this is something the forum does not talk about much.
Not everyone can be a Rico Suave, your friend has picked up on that. Too many guys make the mistake of trying to impress girls with their knowledge, most of the time you are better off just keeping your mouth shut.

Post: #12

Not saying there isn't some truthful insight here, but...
   

He probably has subtle game, even if it's just some social proof.

Post: #13

(12-23-2014 05:09 PM)heavy Wrote:  Not saying there isn't some truthful insight here, but...


He probably has subtle game, even if it's just some social proof.

Exactly what I was thinking. Right place at the right time. Or this kid has more game than OP is letting on.

From experience I know that being tall in itself can be helpful. This kid should probably hit the weights and he'd have a lot of success.

Post: #14

I think guys have the wrong approach about game, trying to find quirks, cheat codes, etc.

Personally, I think the dude just lucked up on some pussy from a young slut who's going through her stage of taking a variety of dicks and seeing what she likes.

I rather just be dope.

Dope guys don't have to luck up on pussy.

Post: #15

(12-23-2014 05:00 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  A lot of girls get turned off or intimidated by confident guys, this is something the forum does not talk about much.

I see what you're getting at here, but I've gotta disagree with the way it came out. This is merely calibration. You observe her before you approach and/or learn what she's like as you interact with her. Any good charmer can play up or play down depending on the speed of the girl. It's just switching gears.

Generally women are intrigued by a confident, charming, manly man and I think it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

If you want to say that many women are turned off by the extreme confidence/loud types ala Jersey Shore-style, then sure, that's reasonable to say.

There's a shitload of non-confident guys out there and you know what the commonality amongst them all is? Most are not getting laid much and some not at all.

Post: #16

Interesting insight guys. I do agree that it probably wouldn't work on a lot of girls. The more that I think about it, it probably only applies to "bad girls", most of the other girls are still too infatuated with the alpha image at that age. this type of girl probably got tired of the alpha for awhile and decided to experiment but inevitably, she will crave it again. It is most likely a phase, but I think it's an interesting one that some guys should take advantage of. Inexperienced guys shouldn't be scared of "bad girls" because they're key to sexual experience and experience dealing with women. I guarantee that my cousin and other guys like this will have much more confidence after their fling and better game with girls their own age.
Interestingly enough, I've been told by a couple of girls that it's intimidating to find out that a guy has an older ex-girlfriend. Even if she wasn't his girlfriend, he can embellish the story in a way that highlights her sexual experience and as a result lowers the younger girls confidence, making her easy to game. Young girls will feel extra insecure that they won't measure up sexually or even in maturity, so they will be extra eager to please and likely try harder to not be annoying.

Post: #17

(12-23-2014 01:41 PM)Saladin Wrote:  The closest I had was a stripper I banged a few months ago. I mean I gamed her pretty well... but I also owned the fact that I was basically innocent compared to her. Like I would say shit like "you're bad for me", or "you're trouble". And she'd say how nice I was and such...(I probably was nice compared to the guys she typically fucks).

So I guess I could see how this works as long as you have a non-needy frame and are cool.

On the other hand, with the typical chick I don't think that works that well.

So I guess it's a niche strategy you use sometimes with certain girls... while with most other girls it's probably better to be a bit more bad-boyish and r-selected.

I would agree that this is good game for young guys looking to bang strippers or cougars...only.

Post: #18

Almost everything in this thread goes against everything I have ever read about gaming girls.

Post: #19

OP how many approaches have you done or what's your game level?

Not sure how you came up with your assumptions.

Assumptions are never good in game. For your sake, don't latch on to this story like it's something plausible for you and "use" it without also trying other techniques.

Post: #20

(12-23-2014 10:15 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  Almost everything in this thread goes against everything I have ever read about gaming girls.

Yeah, I don't see this as a "game" thread.

For most men, every once in a while, you're going to run into a girl who is just naturally attracted to who you are and you don't have to do any gaming. All you have to do is be in the right place at the right time and boom, you find a girl who is into your type.

I definitely wouldn't use this situation as a reason for trying innocence game as I bet most men wouldn't be able to walk that delicate tightrope and would inevitably fall into the friend zone.

You have to be sexual, you have to be aggressive, you have to go after it. That's where most of your successes will come from.

Post: #21

Last year (20 yo) I was a white knight and a virgin, and unconsciously running this kind of game. There was a 26 year old russian girl co-worker who invited me out on a trip, paid for the hotel, and dinner. We were on the sofa and she tried to escalate but I f'ed up due to my white-knight values at the time.

A few months after that I met another 26 year old Korean girl who I had been hanging out and drinking with several times one on one but not escalating. She finally straight up asked me that since I had never kissed any girl before, whether I wanted to practice making out with her.

It did work since they were attracted to me, but had problems with their boyfriends, but neither wanted a LTR with me.

Post: #22

Quote:She finally straight up asked me that since I had never kissed any girl before, whether I wanted to practice making out with her.

That girl had some good game going.

Post: #23

If you say the lines mentioned in this thread, but keep your gaze solid and your body in contact and wear a confident smirk, it's not innocence game. It's doublespeak game, or plausible deniability game.

Post: #24

Thinking back on early college, I was obliviously doing something like this as well. I'm 30 now. It worked pretty nicely I guess, shame I only used it for a couple LTR's though. I really was a sheltered innocent at the time. The parents pretty much kept me on lockdown all childhood, filling out all my time with sports and shit. I was socially incompetent but at least I was in good shape physically. I dont think innocence game would work if you were a fat dude.

Post: #25

I use "Innocence Game".

I am a nice person. Girls say I am "sweet".

I present myself as friendly and old fashioned.

Some girls like it and some girls don't.

Sometimes, I hook up with good girls, I bring out their wild/sexual side. (I am sweet but I am also sexual)

Sometimes, I hook up with bad girls, they see me as something different from their usual bad boys. With me, they can explore their good side. (I am sweet but I still can relate well to bad girls, I was raised bad but choose to be good, I know their psychology)

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All that said, I don't recommend guys consciously try to run "innocence game".

If you are "innocent", just be "innocent", but, try to avoid being naive or "too nice". Try not to be boring, try not to dress and speak in a boring way. Work on your sex appeal and charisma. Work on your style and body.

Being nice is a good thing.

But, by itself, it is not enough to get girls.

Nice guys must also develop some game and social skill. We must have something to offer other than just being "nice".