Post: #51

(12-22-2014 01:26 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

Quote:To Nungesser, the fact that campus hearings have a lower burden of proof than criminal trials and that he was not allowed to bring up communications between himself and Sulkowicz after the night in question, were proof that the process was biased against him. If despite those odds, the hearings resolved in his favor, how could anyone doubt that justice was served?

I would love to see those texts. My guess is they clear a lot of this nonsense up. In any case glad the dude came forward. Hopefully he can put this behind him.

He should publish the texts after graduation.

For clarification - this is a German high-potential student who got a full scholarship at Columbia from Germany. If you knew anything about the system there and the efforts needed to attain that then you would know that he is a total book-worm who sacrificed a lot to be there. Besides - rape on German universities is a total rarity - more akin to winning the lottery. Especially since students don't live on campus - besides - he had sex with 2 of the girls repeatedly anyway. Why should he rape them?

Also Columbia did not expel him, because likely the texts proved that there was no rape. The evidence must be overpowering for him, but the university cannot rock the boat against the comrades of the thought police.

After graduation he should come forward and get the full story including all texts published on a site like ROK - that will clear his name. His employers in Germany won't care shit about a rape allegation in the US. Rape hysteria has not reached most countries in the world.

They would actually have to physically attack him in his last months at school to really hurt him. And who knows if Mattress girl kills him, she will be put at house-arrest, because she suffered enough already. So far the mob rule has not cost him more than some bullying.


   

   

Post: #52

(12-22-2014 04:46 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Seamus is misstating things intentionally now on his last post in the thread.

No one here is arguing from a place of emotion except perhaps you.

Lizard is driving home these points because it's necessary not because he's emotional. That's ridiculous.

Thank you Fisto. Yes, it is necessary to drive home these points again and again.

But also: it is right and appropriate to show some emotion in the face of these dreadful lies. It is too easy to become numbed to them, because we are inundated with these lies all the time, day in day out. It is easy to assume that they're just par for the course.

If you do not, at least occasionally, allow yourself to truly feel to the bottom of your heart just how evil and outrageous -- yes, I'll use these words again -- these witch hunts are, then you do not really understand their nature.

One reason Emily Yoffe's Slate piece, for example, as valuable as it is, did not have the huge impact that it should have had is because it was written in an excessively reasonable and dispassionate tone. It did not truly open people's eyes. To do that, it is not enough to have facts and truth. You need to have them, but you also have to speak from the heart, and you have to call things what they are. You have to say: this is a witch hunt, it is wrong, it is an outrage. It must end immediately.

Nothing less is really understood by people, and they are right: if it is as terrible as you say, why aren't you speaking as if it matters? If you are just droning on, on the one hand, on the other hand, people will assume that it's just another "discussion" and they will stop listening.

If you feel the righteous emotion that you should feel in the face of these wicked lies, do not be afraid to express it. That does not mean that there is any need to be hysterical and out of control; but don't stifle the feeling. Let it be seen and heard through and behind your words.

Post: #53

(12-22-2014 05:26 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  He should publish the texts after graduation.

Why wait? If her texts reveal her insanity, it seems he could have defused this by distributing them across campus in some way. The university allows his accuser to carry around a mattress and publicize her allegations so I don't see that they'd have grounds to prevent him from making his story public.

Post: #54

(12-22-2014 05:29 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 05:26 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  He should publish the texts after graduation.

Why wait?

The university might suspend him, since they obviously saw the texts and forbid him to use it in the proceedings. First of all he is a docile obedient feminist student, so if they tell him to stay put, then he is going to. Besides - if he publishes the texts, then they know that it was him and they can still make his life miserable there - simply by not letting him graduate. Do you think that someone would speak out for him? He is a full scholarship student without any substantial funds to sue Columbia.

And WTF do I have to read here from those Seamus and Monster? This is Jezebel or puahate territory.

1. girl was a fuckbuddy - mattress girl
2. girl was nothing - he was supposed to have grabbed her buttocks (maybe since he never went upstairs)
3. girl was in a LTR with him and she claimed that he raped her repeatedly while being in a LTR (!) Even in the article it states that crap like that cannot fly, since such allegations only work in marriages, couples who have a mortgage, kids and obligations where a wife cannot up and leave. Why would she fucking return to him?

Now the manginas spread to RVForum. What's fucking next? Are the SJWs taking over here and we are being called rape-apologists?

You should spend a semester at a German university - a girl could be going around naked and drunk for 4 years and no one would rape her.

As far as 3 girls accusing him - that means jack shit - girls have a me-too mob mentality. And he likely broke up with 2 of them or did not want to commit to them. Also an important point - they rather forgive an arrogant Alpha with Game than a good-looking Beta, who only seemed to be Alpha. They rather pounce on the latter.

Post: #55

(12-22-2014 05:29 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 05:26 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  He should publish the texts after graduation.

Why wait? If her texts reveal her insanity, it seems he could have defused this by distributing them across campus in some way. The university allows his accuser to carry around a mattress and publicize her allegations so I don't see that they'd have grounds to prevent him from making his story public.

Print them on a flyer with a photo of her and her mattress standing there so solemnly then post the texts messages after the alleged rape under it and mass distribute it.

It may even get her bs thesis rejected.

Post: #56

(12-22-2014 05:44 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 05:29 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 05:26 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  He should publish the texts after graduation.

Why wait? If her texts reveal her insanity, it seems he could have defused this by distributing them across campus in some way. The university allows his accuser to carry around a mattress and publicize her allegations so I don't see that they'd have grounds to prevent him from making his story public.

Print them on a flyer with a photo of her and her mattress standing there so solemnly then post the texts messages after the alleged rape under it and mass distribute it.

It may even get her bs thesis rejected.

I'd suggest he make his thesis on "false rape allegations: a case study" but he is actually getting a real degree (architecture).

Post: #57

(12-22-2014 05:23 PM)Ensam Wrote:  There is some value in questioning if the guy could have done anything differently and possibly avoided the charges.

Yes -- there is certainly value in talking about what guys can do to reduce the likelihood of being hit with false rape accusations (reduce, not eliminate it; nothing eliminates it, I don't care how great your game is). And there are many threads where this is discussed; as well there should be. And there will be more.

But that has nothing to do with writing things like these:

(12-22-2014 12:31 PM)Seamus Wrote:  This case is a tough one.

(12-22-2014 12:31 PM)Seamus Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised at all if this guy were guilty of something.

(12-22-2014 01:26 PM)Seamus Wrote:  But pretending like three sexual assault accusations from three different women isn't a bad sign is delusional at best.

(12-22-2014 02:02 PM)Seamus Wrote:  But that's not the same as saying this guy is unequivocally guiltless either, and I don't think we should go that far. The waters are muddy like they are in all of these cases, since there's rarely any physical proof one way or the other.

I restate my considered judgment:

Post: #58

Seamus has been given a 3 day ban. He will be monitored closely for pushing SJW propaganda on the forum.

Post: #59

feminist and their rape hysteria have only causes me to do two things.

1. http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/produc...s&from=fn. record everything. if I ever have a rape claim i have solid evidence. I could care less if its not admissible in court. I'm assuming the bitch will drop the charges when she realizes what I have in my possession. If she doesnt, and I still can't use it in a court...well I just may have a "whoops" and leave it on a USB in a random cafe where some scrupulous stranger may upload it to every single porn site imaginable.

2. I never delete phone numbers or conversations. I also back my phone up every so often to avoid losing pictures/texts that could be lost by a stolen phone or an accidental drop.

Post: #60

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That's actually consistent with my experiences and observations. Actual masculine males rarely are accused of "rape" resulting from petty hookup drama. Instead women tend to latch on to them as a source of narcisstic supply, and they will let those men fuck em in the ass in order to feed that ego. They wouldn't ever accuse them of "rape", because they know that doing so would cut them off from their narcissistic supply.


For the OP, I'm just wondering why the hell he hasn't sued Emma for defamation. Lord knows he's been damaged enough to justify it.

And yeah, they gay may very well be a creep. That's not the same thing as a rapist.

Post: #61

"False reports of rape are rare, many experts say" haha more like 50% of them are fake and motivated by revenge

Post: #62

Once I saw the guy was German I started to think: 1) some, if not all these girls are vegan and 2) could this have anything to do with them realizing they had been enjoying some Bratwurst?

Post: #63

(12-22-2014 12:34 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Well...I'd say it's over him once he graduates, but it's not, it never will be.

One quick Google search and he's fucked.

Why he isn't suing the fuck out this attention whoring bitter pumped and dumped bitch is beyond me.

I also don't understand that. Surely there are MRA attorneys who'd like to make an example of this, and shut down this "false rape" industry once and for all.

Unless, of course, none of them would take the case because the dude is guilty :/ But my gut tells me no. Too many of these stories sound the same. And here, exactly, is what they sound like:

"I NEED ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU'RE NOT GIVING IT TO MEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WILL CRY WOLF 1,000X A DAY UNTIL I GET SOME DAMN ATTENTIONNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Post: #64

(12-22-2014 08:23 PM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  "False reports of rape are rare, many experts say" haha more like 50% of them are fake and motivated by revenge

Here's how that SJW math works:
Study shows that 3/1000 men are accused of rape falsely. Then they take the 20% of women in college are raped figure and say, see, only 3/1000 false rape accusations and 200/1000 real rapes, thus only ~1.5% of rape claims are false.

I blame new math:



So simple only a child can do it.

Post: #65

(12-22-2014 03:30 PM)Dusty Wrote:  In Salem in the 1690s, there were people burned at the stake because multiple accusers came forward and said they were witches.

We learned later the multiple accusers were wrong.

No, no, Dusty - they weren't "wrong". They were LYING.

Same as today...

Post: #66

^The "New Math" he makes fun of is actually the correct way to do the math, because you DO need to learn what you are doing. Real math and Physics are more about the process.

I skipped over the base 8 stuff or w/e. But the first new technique he talks about in the first half is correct. The early stuff is BS only taught in America...which is not so good at math.

Post: #67

(12-22-2014 01:30 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  I did not know that the "Party Mattress" was an art piece and her "Thesis" as well. The fact that her degree is tied to this is total garbage.

I wish my thesis could have been like that....holding up a mattress I found in residence hall. PS no way that thing is 50lbs.

Yeah a college "matress" is like fifteen pounds of kleenex and splooge.

(12-22-2014 09:48 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  ^The "New Math" he makes fun of is actually the correct way to do the math, because you DO need to learn what you are doing. Real math and Physics are more about the process.

I skipped over the base 8 stuff or w/e. But the first new technique he talks about in the first half is correct. The early stuff is BS only taught in America...which is not so good at math.

I'm not so sure about that.
I can imagine that they came up with the 'new math' method of carrying ten ones back from the next power of ten because the original method is pretty confusing.

Post: #68

(12-22-2014 05:26 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  But also: it is right and appropriate to show some emotion in the face of these dreadful lies.

I didn't mind seamus' argument, but I'm glad he got 3 day banned for making it. I can also clarify why we need to feel rage at these witch hunts, but let me clarify that I'm not a lawyer nor have I deeply studied law. I merely respect the professionalism and devotion that being a good lawyer requires. So if any lawyers, particular Sp5, disagree with my assessment, please let me know where I'm wrong.

FACT #1 - Legal disputes center around both semantics, (the specific definitions of laws), and feelings-of-being-wronged.

FACT #2 - The most heinous crimes, (in this case, rape), require extremely precise definitions AND extremely well-conducted trials in order to ensure that the rule-of-law prevails.

OPINION #1 and #2 - The rule-of-law exists to preserve two crucial ideas: (a) That it's better for ten guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be wrongfully punished. (b) Proportionality, defined as "the appropriate level of punishment in response to all wrong-doings", is required for all civilized societies.

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Seamus' argument centered around the idea that "Nussburger must've done something wrong, because three women accused him of crimes." But the phrase "has done something wrong" is extremely imprecise.

"Having bad game", (even if that's what Nussberger did), is non a criminal offense. So when women accuse such men of rape, they are undermining the rule-of-law by rejecting BOTH: (1) the importance of precise definitions for heinous crimes like rape AND (2) the importance of proportionality.

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Ultimately, and this is NOT hyperbole, these women and their SJW supporters are literally threatening two extremely important pillars of civilization. So in any discussion of "rape culture", the threat to civilization is the most important thing we should focus on.

Post: #69

(12-22-2014 11:14 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 05:26 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  But also: it is right and appropriate to show some emotion in the face of these dreadful lies.

Ultimately, and this is NOT hyperbole, these women and their SJW supporters are literally threatening two extremely important pillars of civilization. So in any discussion of "rape culture", the threat to civilization is the most important thing we should focus on.

My guess is that he slighted three women, maybe he didn't compliment and cuddle them enough. Mattress girl got really pissed off about it so she met up with two of his other slam pieces because she knew that one lone accusation is much less damning that three.

She convinced the other two whores that this man is a rapist, and they went along with it for a few weeks or months until they believed keeping up with the charade was no longer worth it.

What Nussberger has to do to clear his name is collude with the other two whores and get them to denounce Mattress Girl and recant their statements. Very unlikely since these women have to admit they were lying, but that's how I see it.

TL: DR, it might not have been bad game at the crux, just one lone crazy bitch capitalizing on an easily manipulated situation.

Post: #70

(12-22-2014 03:30 PM)Dusty Wrote:  In Salem in the 1690s, there were people burned at the stake because multiple accusers came forward and said they were witches.

We learned later the multiple accusers were wrong.

Those "multiple accusers" were usually "multiple women."

Post: #71

(12-22-2014 11:29 PM)Hades Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:14 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 05:26 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  But also: it is right and appropriate to show some emotion in the face of these dreadful lies.

Ultimately, and this is NOT hyperbole, these women and their SJW supporters are literally threatening two extremely important pillars of civilization. So in any discussion of "rape culture", the threat to civilization is the most important thing we should focus on.

My guess is that he slighted three women, maybe he didn't compliment and cuddle them enough. Mattress girl got really pissed off about it so she met up with two of his other slam pieces because she knew that one lone accusation is much less damning that three.

She convinced the other two whores that this man is a rapist, and they went along with it for a few weeks or months until they believed keeping up with the charade was no longer worth it.

What Nussberger has to do to clear his name is collude with the other two whores and get them to denounce Mattress Girl and recant their statements. Very unlikely since these women have to admit they were lying, but that's how I see it.

TL: DR, it might not have been bad game at the crux, just one lone crazy bitch.

Agree with you. The ultimate solution is to disallow any campus authorities to investigate any rape claims. (Basically, Police or She Didn't Get Raped.)

But we all need to perform important political work to get this solution implemented. It won't just magically happen.

Post: #72

(12-22-2014 11:35 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:29 PM)Hades Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:14 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 05:26 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  But also: it is right and appropriate to show some emotion in the face of these dreadful lies.

Ultimately, and this is NOT hyperbole, these women and their SJW supporters are literally threatening two extremely important pillars of civilization. So in any discussion of "rape culture", the threat to civilization is the most important thing we should focus on.

My guess is that he slighted three women, maybe he didn't compliment and cuddle them enough. Mattress girl got really pissed off about it so she met up with two of his other slam pieces because she knew that one lone accusation is much less damning that three.

She convinced the other two whores that this man is a rapist, and they went along with it for a few weeks or months until they believed keeping up with the charade was no longer worth it.

What Nussberger has to do to clear his name is collude with the other two whores and get them to denounce Mattress Girl and recant their statements. Very unlikely since these women have to admit they were lying, but that's how I see it.

TL: DR, it might not have been bad game at the crux, just one lone crazy bitch.

Agree with you. The ultimate solution is to disallow any campus authorities to investigate any rape claims. (Basically, Police or She Didn't Get Raped.)

But we all need to perform important political work to get this solution implemented. It won't just magically happen.

I'm not a fan of cops but that is a great solution. Campuses should have no authority whatsoever on criminal cases, potential or otherwise.

I was privy to a few "sexual assault incidents" in college where a woman claimed to have been raped.

One instance in particular we spent like three hours convincing some dumb drunk girl to go to the cops and press charges and she refused. She ended up going to campus authorities and it raised hell with our entire social circle, a bunch of us dudes got campus MIPs and probation for "procuring alcohol to minors" because one of the girls who walked in and out of the party happened to be underage. One of the guys got banned for life from the campus but nobody was sure he actually did anything, lease of all the 'victim', who was passed out.

None of us believed that the rape happened, partly because the time frame makes no sense. If just cops got involved it would probably have been dismissed for lack of evidence.

I know that our campus did not want cops anywhere because it would make the place look more dangerous on paper.

Post: #73

^^^I don't even understand how it isn't obligatory for campus authorities to make a report to the police whenever a student claims rape.

I worked as a member of a university safety mechanism and it wasn't even a question. If a rape accusation was made, the cops would be called (this barely ever happened). If an under-aged student was drunk, the school would handle it, but if they got behind the wheel of a car while under the influence and became a danger to the general public, the police would be called.

If the school was the primary victim (bookstore shoplifting) of a crime by a student, they would deal with it internally. However, if in the course of the investigation, they discovered that they student was hocking merchandise on Ebay from retail stores around town, the police would be called.

Even if a student was abusing the public good by using a doctored handicapped permit to give themselves advantageous parking, the police would be called in to write the $500 ticket, because the campus process of $50 handicapped parking tickets wasn't sufficient to punish them for this behaviour.

I don't understand how schools think that their kangaroo courts sufficient to deal with serious crimes like rape. They only reason that it even flies at all, is because they aren't dealing with serious crimes like rape. They are dealing with cases of alleged sexual discretion, where someone's feelings were hurt and not much more.

Post: #74

We need some "mandatory minimum" sentences for false rape allegations. Prove someone lied about getting raped? Boom at least five years in jail, no exceptions.

Post: #75

(12-23-2014 12:05 AM)Deluge Wrote:  We need some "mandatory minimum" sentences for false rape allegations. Prove someone lied about getting raped? Boom at least five years in jail, no exceptions.

This 100 times, if your reputation as man can get sullied so horribly from one of these harpies, their needs to be a balance