Post: #151

(12-15-2014 04:09 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 02:45 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 02:33 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  The problem is not just Islam, even though it is the worst and most backward, the problem is all religions.
When people drink the kool aid, and start believing in a sky wizard or cave monster or whatever, and think their imaginary friend is in charge, they become disconnected from reality.
They look for answers from someone or something else, instead of focusing on their own lives and self improvement.
They are also subject to manipulation by corrupt forces, and more likely to be docile sheep for the SJWs.

Funny, the conservative religious crowd and countries are the ones who have been fighting them for decades. Meanwhile, Atheists are now Atheist+.

Go take a look at godless Sweden and get back to me, bub. Faggotry and SJW dominated with a new "feminist" foreign policy.

So, is your theory that increased atheism leads to SJW, "faggotry," and a "feminist" foreign policy?
Interesting, to say the least. Two thirds of Sweden is a member of the Church of Sweden. Their problem is feminism and immigrants, not a lack of medieval superstition.
Get rid of feminism and religion, and then maybe humanity can evolve.
I don't even like the word atheist (against theism), it seems ridiculous, sort of like saying I am anti tooth fairy or anti santa claus.
There is no God, no supreme magical sky wizard. Believing in such nonsense, and living in the religious fantasy world, is just as big a cop out as being a heroin addict.
I mean, if your life is truly awful, and you are imprisoned for life or dying of cancer or being tortured in an ISIS dungeon and literally can't change anything, I can see why a man might do heroin or pray to Jeebus or Mohammed or L Ron Hubbard to make it all better in the next world.

Typical sneering atheist proselytizer snark and mockery, the same kind we see from SJW know-it-alls. You're convinced there is no god? Good for you.

Religion, in the West, is not replaced by a Thomas Paine-style personal atheism. It's replaced by a convenient atheistic suicidal doctrine known as Cultural Marxism.

Enjoy the company of legions of hard left-wing psychopaths who believe that since there is no God or Heaven, they should strive to make one here on Earth by any means necessary with them as your leaders. Enjoy your fellow Atheist+ activists who've effectively run the old liberal speakers out of the community or cowed them into submission.

Atheism provides nothing to society. It is a tool used to undermine the immune system (conservative religion) societies have against Cultural Marxism and has been astonishingly effective in the West. It leads to moral relativism and societal decay. It was a weapon of the communists for decades and other radical bloodthirsty "reformers" before them in Revolutionary France.

And that's all I'll say on this. I don't want to derail the thread.

Post: #152

(12-15-2014 04:28 PM)mikado Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 04:13 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 02:31 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Idk man I'm coming from a muslim background (I never practiced and I don't consider myself Muslim at all), generally speaking my family majority is muslim.....

The US will never ever be like the UK or those European countries which are suffering from Sharia Law, Sharia Patrols, and "Multi-Culturalism" as the OP put it.

Source: Me - A 1st Gen AR-15 Toting, Drinking Fucking Machine 'Merican with Pakistani/Islamic heritage.

Interesting viewpoint from one of the few people qualified to comment-- can I ask-- why do you think it's different here? It's true we've had very few incidents of religious violence here.

What're the requirements to be qualified to comment ?

The poster described himself as coming from inside the American Muslim immigrant population, although I think he was born here.

In my opinion, that gives him a unique viewpoint as to whether American Muslims are at risk of being radicalized. He thinks not, and I'm wondering why.

I have not seen statistically significant religious violence within America yet while I hear about toxic crap in European countries, so I am very curious about why it's different.

I think he knows more about it than I do.

As an aside, I dislike the idea that killing based on religion is ever justifiable. If someone has a bomb vest on threatening innocents, blow them away whoever they are. It is interesting in the Salem witch trials I read 23 people were killed. And a dog. They hung a dog for being possessed by Satan. That's how smart religious fanatics of all kinds are.

Post: #153

(12-15-2014 04:32 PM)Soberane Wrote:  There are people inside being hostage, two or more bombs around the city and the first thing those retard do is tweet to show how they do not hate Muslim, celebrities do not ride public transportation, what do they need?

All that matters is social media likes.

There was little to no violence in my hometown when I was young, and the culture was homogenous. A murder in the 80's scandalised the entire town - how could such a thing happen here?

30 years later, we have gang beatings; main street violence; no go zones; and they're talking about putting in CCTV cameras in the streets. Guess what changed?

Post: #154

(12-15-2014 04:13 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 02:31 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Idk man I'm coming from a muslim background (I never practiced and I don't consider myself Muslim at all), generally speaking my family majority is muslim.....

The US will never ever be like the UK or those European countries which are suffering from Sharia Law, Sharia Patrols, and "Multi-Culturalism" as the OP put it.

Source: Me - A 1st Gen AR-15 Toting, Drinking Fucking Machine 'Merican with Pakistani/Islamic heritage.

Interesting viewpoint from one of the few people qualified to comment-- can I ask-- why do you think it's different here? It's true we've had very few incidents of religious violence here.

Yes I was born and raised here.

Like I said 9/11 had a huge impact and the way we view muslims, how muslims view themselves, I think they're more self aware of their beliefs and how some can clash with American values.

Also, we have a Mexican illegal immigration problem, NOT an islamic/Middle East/African immigration problem.

Take into consideration America is an immigrant country, most of the Muslims I see come here for a better life, are pretty educated, and work middle to high end corporate jobs or start their own businesses.

Most of my family is liberal as well as many other muslim families are (we have like 2 cousins who are "born again" hijab wearing muslims) I can't stand them.

I don't see many of these immigrant muslims at risk of being radicalized here in the US, also some of these terrorists attacks are the results of psychotic/mentally ill converts.

This is my own personal take from my interactions and experience within the culture here SoCal and NYC, albeit I don't interact much but I do take note.

Post: #155

(12-15-2014 01:23 PM)Grange Wrote:  Do the right wing parties ever change tack on immigration policies when they get in power?

Yeah they did close the borders last time they were in power the more right wing party here. But then a social democratic government was elected by the people and the first they did in power was to open the borders..

But the hate is really stirring underneath the surface.. You can sense that there is a great deal of anger among the population, but very few dare to speak.. Every body seems to be extremely tired of Muslims who refuse to speak the language, who have no respect for the host culture. The furthest out right party here is gaining massive popularity. It is the danish social/nationalistic peoples party.

People are angry, because these non western immigrants, mainly Palestinians, Lebanese, Bosnian, Turkish and Somalians they are generally not in the work force, and they account for the greatest expenses in social welfare / social assistance.. The welfare check here is 2000 $ and the more children you have the larger the welfare check.. If you don't work, having children is the easiest income.
A thing that really anger people right now is that we have something called "christmas support" - (non governmental, it is a charity by the danish church) If you are poor, you can apply for a basket with food and gift cards and so on, so that no children should be able to not have a christmas meal and a present. Well that sounds really good and altruistic.. Problem is: 90 % of the recipients of this christmas gift have names that are middle eastern. so the get 200 $ for shopping and they are muslims. It angers people...
But people are afraid to speak out in public. People are afraid that if you say something negative abut islam, there will come a somalian with an axe to your door to try and kill you. (That was what happened to that mohammed cartoon artist, Kurt Westergaard)..
And also, there is still the public mask of political correctness that people wear, but trust me, the hate towards islam is really growing over here.. wonder when enough is enough and the danish people will grab the forks and the flames and fight back.

There is just one problem.. birth rates are so low that some foreigners are probably needed to have some people in the work force..

(12-15-2014 04:09 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  I don't even like the word atheist (against theism), it seems ridiculous, sort of like saying I am anti tooth fairy or anti santa claus.
There is no God, no supreme magical sky wizard. Believing in such nonsense, and living in the religious fantasy world, is just as big a cop out as being a heroin addict.
I mean, if your life is truly awful, and you are imprisoned for life or dying of cancer or being tortured in an ISIS dungeon and literally can't change anything, I can see why a man might do heroin or pray to Jeebus or Mohammed or L Ron Hubbard to make it all better in the next world.

Never liked that word either.. It is like by calling myself an atheist I am defending myself - So I never describe myself as an atheist. And you are absolutely right, there is no god. Lately I've been thinking if there are any "red pillers" who also believe in religions and gods.. In my world, those two things cannot coexist. if you take the red pill, you see that there is no santa, no tooth fairy and no god - Impossible to be religious and red pill. The red pill is seeing the world as it is. It's either or as I see it.

But most people are stupid and they have to have religions even facing all evidence against such nonsense.

Post: #156

(12-15-2014 04:45 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 04:32 PM)Soberane Wrote:  There are people inside being hostage, two or more bombs around the city and the first thing those retard do is tweet to show how they do not hate Muslim, celebrities do not ride public transportation, what do they need?

All that matters is social media likes.

There was little to no violence in my hometown when I was young, and the culture was homogenous. A murder in the 80's scandalised the entire town - how could such a thing happen here?

30 years later, we have gang beatings; main street violence; no go zones; and they're talking about putting in CCTV cameras in the streets. Guess what changed?

The phrase, "the body are still warm" fit perfect here, nothing matters more than show how tolerant they are, fuck the victim, hashtag the shit out of that shit

Post: #157

@Kaotic

Most of the illegal immigrants who come in to the U.S. now are primarily Central Americans, not Mexicans. If they are Mexicans, they tend to be the ones from Southern Mexico who don't like your typical Mexican that most people in California know (Southern Mexicans tend to be of Amerindian stock and they tend to be very short). The "golden" age of Mexican illegal immigration during the 1980s and 1990s where Mexicans were coming primarily from Northern and Central Mexico are over. Most of the Mexicans from those regions came from villages and those villages for wiped clean of working age men who either went Norte or moved to the major cities of Mexico.

Most of the illegal Mexicans are ones who came after the immigration reform of 1986 but before the Mid 2000s. Most are too established here to go back to Mexico and they are hardly getting replenshed by new illegal Mexicans. Mexicans in Mexico don't see much benefit coming to live in USA anymore because of the economic situation in USA, the improved situation in Mexico thanks to right-wing economic reforms, and men in Mexico hearing about the stuff we talk about here on the forum (I have had Mexican taxi drivers legitimately ask me if it's true of men getting raped in divorces here in USA).

And to what I wanted to write, honestly, most Muslims who I have met here in the US tend to be very loyal to the values of USA believe it or not. Muslims here in the US tend to be very educated who work in good jobs or are ambitious entrepreneurs. The vast majority aren't the type who would pull off crap that happened in Boston. In fact, I would even argue that they would gladly fight against the radicals if they given the option of joining the U.S. military. Idk what the situation is in Europe but here in USA, I would say that the Muslims here are a great contribution to American society as they come from societies that are more traditional and give us anti-liberals allies against the liberal zeitgeist that runs the U.S. currently. That's just my 2 cents and this comes from a Roman Catholic.

Post: #158

Liberals SJW,hippies from California and NY hard at work with the hashtag.

Post: #159

I think biggest problem lies in a failed integration policy rather than too much immigration even though its a factor. Here's the thing in Stockholm. The majority of somalies and Arabs live in one or two places in Stockholm. They are basically creating a little Somalia and Arabia . And with those countries the majority is predominantly muslim countrys. With that comes mosques. Alot of mosques. A few sponsored by some random Saudi Arabian prince in fact. Its not even Sweden anymore when you go there. i talked to some friends that lives in these areas Christians, Muslims, Sikhs . The difference is they integrated and saw there is more to the world than obeying the Koran or whatever. They are decent folks but a lot of them are scared. Why? Because in the mosques there are a lot al-shabab recruiters and they have recruited alot of people which in turn have flown to Somalia to fight in the name of the glorious god and 70 virgins. The best part is that the swedish goverment don't want to se what's happening in front their eyes.

If you put a sick pig in a pig farm don't surprised when a few other pigs gets sick. Probably a bad analogy but you get the point. I am not trying to bash here i am just saying what I hear and see.

Post: #160

(12-15-2014 05:22 PM)Soberane Wrote:  The phrase, "the body are still warm" fit perfect here, nothing matters more than show how tolerant they are, fuck the victim, hashtag the shit out of that shit

Abso fucking lutely, this is bullshit, jump the gun (no put intended) to fight against the stereotypes against muslims before the bodies have even been buried.

I understand what they're trying to do but FFS can't they not respect the dead and honor them ?

(12-15-2014 05:29 PM)Bones707 Wrote:  @Kaotic

Most of the illegal immigrants who come in to the U.S. now are primarily Central Americans, not Mexicans. If they are Mexicans, they tend to be the ones from Southern Mexico who don't like your typical Mexican that most people in California know (Southern Mexicans tend to be of Amerindian stock and they tend to be very short). The "golden" age of Mexican illegal immigration during the 1980s and 1990s where Mexicans were coming primarily from Northern and Central Mexico are over. Most of the Mexicans from those regions came from villages and those villages for wiped clean of working age men who either went Norte or moved to the major cities of Mexico.

Most of the illegal Mexicans are ones who came after the immigration reform of 1986 but before the Mid 2000s. Most are too established here to go back to Mexico and they are hardly getting replenshed by new illegal Mexicans. Mexicans in Mexico don't see much benefit coming to live in USA anymore because of the economic situation in USA, the improved situation in Mexico thanks to right-wing economic reforms, and men in Mexico hearing about the stuff we talk about here on the forum (I have had Mexican taxi drivers legitimately ask me if it's true of men getting raped in divorces here in USA).

Thanks for the clarification, when I state Mexican I was being willfully ignorant because it's more in depth to explain whose coming here and who isn't so I generalized for the example.

And I agree with you the latter muslim comments.

Post: #161

There are Muslims who deny their ethnic roots and try to define themselves by their religion...

Try and get a Pakistani to admit that he had Indian ancestors - he usually won't. I’ve had this conversation with Pakistanis in the past:

Me: What’s your background? What part of Pakistan are they from? Are they Punjabi? Pathan? Kashmiri?
Him: I’m a Muslim.
Me: Yeah, but what about your roots?
Him: I’m a Muslim
Me: How can you only be a Muslim? You have to be something else too, you could be British, American, Indian etc.
Him: I’m just Muslim, that’s all I am.
Me: But what if you converted to another religion? Then what race are you?
Him: Not gonna happen,
Me: But what if it did?
Him: It will never happen

Regarding Kaotic (please correct me if this is wrong)

From my understanding, because of the H1-B Visa, the Pakistanis in the US are from the more educated liberal families of Pakistan. The Pakistanis (and most of the other Muslims) in Europe are usually from the most uneducated, backwards parts of their countries.

I used to work in a mostly Muslim area and I have Muslim friends. This post I made from another thread is pertinent regarding European Muslims.

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Quote:I think that there’s a rise in polygamy because of the Arabisation of British Islamic culture. Most of the British Muslim community who arrived back in the 1960s and 1970s were South Asian (mostly from Pakistan and Bangladesh, a very small percentage are Indian). Most of them follow Sufi Islam, which is pretty liberal. In fact it's so liberal that many Hindus and Sikhs pray at Sufi shrines.

In theory polygamy is allowed, but a lot of the immigrants didn’t practice it because it’s very expense to keep more than one wife, and a lot of the immigrants were from poor background so they could only afford one!

I went to school with lots of Pakistani and Bangladeshi kids (in UK 1980s-1990s), and they were all from a Muslim background. Not a single Muslim girl wore a headscarf, not a single Muslim guy tried to grow an Islamic beard. They were all pretty liberal in their religion and they never even mentioned the need to eat halal food. They never ate pork, but they acted no differently to the British Indian kids. None of their mothers wore hijab, niqab or any other headscarves. The UK born kids mostly ignored the older generations of South Asians Muslims at the mosques, because the older generation couldn’t speak English and the younger generation couldn’t relate to them.

In those days college was free, so many of these liberal Muslim kids went to college and came into contact with international students from the Arab world. The South Asian Muslims cannot speak Arabic – when they recite the Qu’ran they have no idea what it means. The Arabs obviously know the language from the Qu’ran, and they’re fluent in English and they’re of a similar age to the college kids. The South Asian kids assumed the Arabs knew more about Islam and listened to them.

The Arabs transmitted their fundamentalist ideas on to the kids of the South Asian immigrants and the South Asians became more fanatic in their beliefs. They then went home and told their parents that they weren’t Islamic enough and their mothers started wearing headscarves.

Another major factor was 9/11 – many British Muslims suddenly saw themselves as a target and retreating away from western culture and into their faith. Many British Muslim girls also started wearing headscarves. A lot of them were hypocrites and only did it to make statements. Many Muslim girls wore headscarves during the day, then they’d go out clubbing later that night wearing a miniskirt.

You now have another generation of kids who as well as being influenced by their parents, get information from the internet as well. When I go back to UK and visit my old school, there’s 8 years old girls wearing headscarves. When I was 8 I didn’t even know what a Muslim was and I realize now that I went to school with some – their religion was never an issue. There's also been immigration from the Arab world in the last 20 years due to liberal border policies and confilct in the Middle East and North Africa.

A similar process is happening in Pakistan itself, where the government has allowed in fundamentalist preachers from Saudi Arabia for years. The Islamic as practiced in South Asia was pretty liberal and was respectful on the whole to other faiths, but over the last 30 years the extreme version has come in and given rise to organisations such as the Pakistani Taliban. The Sufi shrines are now getting bombed and have to be placed under police guard. The fundamentalists are attempting to take over the country. Many are trying to wipe out anything they see as "unislamic" and they have vandalised Hindu and Buddhist statues which are older than Islam. The fundamentalists (who are Sunni) also regularly kill Shia Muslims.

Because the Arabs (well, Saudis mostly) do practice polygamy, some South Asians look upon them as something to emulate and a few are trying to go down the same path.

Post: #162

Post: #163

(12-15-2014 05:41 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  Try and get a Pakistani to admit that he had Indian ancestors - he usually won't. I’ve had this conversation with Pakistanis in the past:

Me: What’s your background? What part of Pakistan are they from? Are they Punjabi? Pathan? Kashmiri?
Him: I’m a Muslim.
Me: Yeah, but what about your roots?
Him: I’m a Muslim
Me: How can you only be a Muslim? You have to be something else too, you could be British, American, Indian etc.
Him: I’m just Muslim, that’s all I am.
Me: But what if you converted to another religion? Then what race are you?
Him: Not gonna happen,
Me: But what if it did?
Him: It will never happen

Hilarious conversation, absolutely my family is/was Indian, now Pakistani, both grandparents were Indian, my grandpa helped found/create the government infrastructure for Pakistan.

Quote:Regarding Kaotic (please correct me if this is wrong)

From my understanding, because of the H1-B Visa, the Pakistanis in the US are from the more educated liberal families of Pakistan. The Pakistanis (and most of the other Muslims) in Europe are usually from the most uneducated, backwards parts of their countries.

Well as I said I was born here but yes most who come are from education liberal families of Pakistan/India or the ME.

You don't meet many uneducated backwards types.

Post: #164

(12-15-2014 05:29 PM)Bones707 Wrote:  I would say that the Muslims here are a great contribution to American society as they come from societies that are more traditional and give us anti-liberals allies against the liberal zeitgeist that runs the U.S. currently. That's just my 2 cents and this comes from a Roman Catholic.

Your acceptance of these people based on who they really are and not on preconceived notions is very liberal. i don't know what you should do!?

Liberal to me means allowing others to do what they want unless their doings intrude on my right to do what I want. The US Constitution seems very liberal to me, everyone has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They have the RIGHT? WHO SAYS SO?

Many use it as a dirty word, seems strange to me.

Post: #165

(12-15-2014 05:42 PM)Soberane Wrote:  

Countering propaganda with other propaganda.

Post: #166

Vol wrote:
"The problem is not just Islam,........ the problem is all religions."

Amen to that!
But seriously, talking to something you can't see, touch or feel smacks of mental health issues to me.

The thing that shits me more than anything however is:

1- The response from our own local Muslim population after the radicalised nutters try to kill a policeman with a knife (for instance), it’s small and token.

2- Our local media spin saying that everything’s OK, the guy had mental health issues, he’s not really a Muslim, he’s a madman. (see earlier comment)

If I was religious and my faith was being dragged through the dirt I would be out on the streets protesting, outing the radicalisers, separating myself from the radical end yet they are deafly silent and the ones that do speak out are tiny compared to the massive iceberg like majority.

Perhaps our legislators should think more carefully about matching similar cultures in the first place as far as assimilation goes as it seems that these acts raise the "us and them" debate in response

Post: #167

You can shout about immigration all you want, just because he is a non-native in a particular country doesn't necessarily mean it has anything to do with integration.

You cannot integrate psychos. For the most part saying all immigrants from Muslim-dominant countries are prone to becoming Jihad warriors is laughable. If that were the case a wave of violence would sweep the country and the backlash would be the same.

Normal people are not like that.

These Jihad campaigns attract the mentally ill, mentally unstable and society's dropouts, losers and wannabe gangster/killers.

It figures with these people because they have fuck all else to do and see it as a banner to flock too. There are books on this subject for your reading pleasure I am sure.

Whilst integration has failed in many countries, the majority of immigrants are not going to indulge in mass murder.

Post: #168

I won't be surprised if Australia tries to cut back any future Muslim immigration while attempting to integrate the current 2%

Post: #169

Muslims in Australia seem to have a worse rep among general population than Muslims in UK. Yet when growing up in Oz I never heard of mass female genital mutilation, grooming of teenage girls (Rotherham), fully covered women with hidden faces etc that I see here. Brits seem to have a much higher threshold for rampant sexual abuse, hate preaching and not checking criminal records thoroughly prior to granting citizenship. Doesn't help that they are partly tied down by European Charter of Human Rights which prevents govt deportation of radicals.

Despite this guy being a loonie, Australia's Muslim population seems relatively moderate by world standards. A Cronulla style pogrom might serve to alienate and radicalise. Showing restraint as it seems will be the case with the popularity of pro-Muslim hashtags might be the best way forward in conjunction with hitting radicals hard and cutting immigration from Muslim countries.

I don't think Australia does support multiculturalism so much as aggressive integration. Each incoming generation has been racially abused and discriminated against : the Irish, Germans, Italians, Greeks, Jewish, Yugoslavs, Lebanese, Vietnamese, even the immigrant Brits in the 1950-60s. At the moment the Indians and Somalians are copping it but they too may become the next generation of true blue Australians with the same accents as everyone else.

Time will tell. However, most countries look upon Australia's immigration record with envy notwithstanding our reputation as intolerant / racist, perhaps undeserved - 50% of Melburnians were either born overseas or have at least one parent who was born overseas.

Post: #170

On a side note on Pakistanis. I know a few who despise what the whole culture and people became, while you have those backwards thinking ones who are brainwashed.... Yes, brainwashed. They want to rid their culture for muslim arab culture. The problem is Arabs don't accept them as a brother. Yes they are good enough to go blow themselves up but not good enough to marry their daughters or become a citizen.

You have thousands of Pakistanis living in the Middle East (the Umma) yet they don't get the same rights that they do in the west. The same countries that they are first to criticize. You have Pakistanis living in Qatar Dubai Saudi Arabia for years. I knew of one guy who was living in Qatar since the early 80s late 70s. Guess what, he will never be eligible for citizenship nor is he allowed to marry one of their women. At the whim of his sponsor, he can be on the next plane out if he sneezes the wrong way.

Now you have many Pakistanis in the west who obtain citizenship, open up their own businesses and marry local women. Where is the shame from those who dare criticize the west and western values and not criticize their umma. That is, their fellow Muslim brothers. Brothers they are not. But to blow yourself up and be a second class citizen you are more than acceptable. Brainwashed people.

As for the post, I was surprised he supported isis as he is considered dirty or fit for murder by isis. The world needs to read more and educate themselves. Too many idiots and brainwashed people with crazy intentions to harm innocent people are walking amongst us.

Post: #171

As usual, the inimitable Juan Cole has a solid take on the Sydney hostage situation. Some of the key points:

Quote:IC doesn’t usually cover hostage-taking, since it is an artificial and manipulative criminal act. Any two-bit thug can grab someone off the street and push them into a car, and subsequently kill them. It doesn’t take intelligence or any other admirable quality, just brutishness.

One’s heart goes out to the Sydney hostages. But it is distressing to see the hostage-taker made 10 feet tall by the media and to have Daesh (which is what most Arabs derisively call ISIL or ISIS) invoked. He is likely not mentally well, and he is not evidence of Daesh’s reach. Just that sadists are willing to franchise just like purveyors of hamburgers.

[Update: The hostage taker was Iranian, and clearly just a wack job and career criminal; this guy said he converted to Salafism but that kind of switch is very rare & itself indicative of lone wolfism- would have been ostracized by family.]

Quote:It is really unfortunate that the magnificent city of Sydney had its peace disturbed by this maniac. But he isn’t important, least of all geopolitically, and shouldn’t be built up otherwise.

Post: #172

Why is condemning Islam just fine "while the bodies are still warm" but showing support for non-radical Muslims is not? Both parties are using a terrible situation to push an agenda, are they not?

I can think of another group who hypes up their fake outrage anytime someone dares to express an opinion contrary to their own.

Post: #173

(12-15-2014 06:23 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  You can shout about immigration all you want, just because he is a non-native in a particular country doesn't necessarily mean it has anything to do with integration.

You cannot integrate psychos. For the most part saying all immigrants from Muslim-dominant countries are prone to becoming Jihad warriors is laughable. If that were the case a wave of violence would sweep the country and the backlash would be the same.

Normal people are not like that.

These Jihad campaigns attract the mentally ill, mentally unstable and society's dropouts, losers and wannabe gangster/killers.

It figures with these people because they have fuck all else to do and see it as a banner to flock too. There are books on this subject for your reading pleasure I am sure.

Whilst integration has failed in many countries, the majority of immigrants are not going to indulge in mass murder.

(12-15-2014 06:24 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  I won't be surprised if Australia tries to cut back any future Muslim immigration while attempting to integrate the current 2%

(12-15-2014 06:42 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  Muslims in Australia seem to have a worse rep among general population than Muslims in UK. Yet when growing up in Oz I never heard of mass female genital mutilation, grooming of teenage girls (Rotherham), fully covered women with hidden faces etc that I see here. Brits seem to have a much higher threshold for rampant sexual abuse, hate preaching and not checking criminal records thoroughly prior to granting citizenship. Doesn't help that they are partly tied down by European Charter of Human Rights which prevents govt deportation of radicals.

Despite this guy being a loonie, Australia's Muslim population seems relatively moderate by world standards. A Cronulla style pogrom might serve to alienate and radicalise. Showing restraint as it seems will be the case with the popularity of pro-Muslim hashtags might be the best way forward in conjunction with hitting radicals hard and cutting immigration from Muslim countries.

I don't think Australia does support multiculturalism so much as aggressive integration. Each incoming generation has been racially abused and discriminated against : the Irish, Germans, Italians, Greeks, Jewish, Yugoslavs, Lebanese, Vietnamese, even the immigrant Brits in the 1950-60s. At the moment the Indians and Somalians are copping it but they too may become the next generation of true blue Australians with the same accents as everyone else.

Time will tell. However, most countries look upon Australia's immigration record with envy notwithstanding our reputation as intolerant / racist, perhaps undeserved - 50% of Melburnians were either born overseas or have at least one parent who was born overseas.

Who are you addressing your posts to?

Post: #174

(12-15-2014 06:23 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  You can shout about immigration all you want, just because he is a non-native in a particular country doesn't necessarily mean it has anything to do with integration.

You cannot integrate psychos. For the most part saying all immigrants from Muslim-dominant countries are prone to becoming Jihad warriors is laughable. If that were the case a wave of violence would sweep the country and the backlash would be the same.

Normal people are not like that.

These Jihad campaigns attract the mentally ill, mentally unstable and society's dropouts, losers and wannabe gangster/killers.

It figures with these people because they have fuck all else to do and see it as a banner to flock too. There are books on this subject for your reading pleasure I am sure.

Whilst integration has failed in many countries, the majority of immigrants are not going to indulge in mass murder.

You become mentally unstable when you fail to integrate and assimilate to your new home country and the best way to for society to integrate immigrants is to give them work. The 1940-1970's Greek-Americans and Italian-Americans are great examples. They came here with nothing, found jobs, learned the language, moved their way up and now they're respected members of their community.

Recent grads can't even find jobs right now so I don't even want to imagine what's it is like for a recent immigrant. Muslim immigrants (first or second generations) find themselves in precarious situations, they don't have jobs nor go to school so they turn into jihadism to fill that void.

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