Post: #76

(12-14-2014 01:49 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 04:01 AM)Deluge Wrote:  Controversial statement, but I think guitar based music in general has lost relevance. I wouldn't know about Metal (the only Metal band I listen to these days is Parkway Drive) but it's definitely the case with "alternative" rock which has been the dominant form of guitar music for the last 25 years. There's always a place for great songwriting but great songwriting is hard to come by even among very popular artists. Even the recent rock music that's actually sounded fresh has only done so by borrowing heavily from past sounds that have faded out of view and/or from "world music" *cough Arcade Fire cough*. Electronic music has taken over slowly but surely whether it be hipsters listening to Grimes or David Guetta on the Top 40.

Gene Simmons was right when he said rock was dead, at least in the mainstream.

When I was growing up, up until the last say 2-3 years, there was always some sort of rock music that was getting mainstream exposure.

Back in the late 90s to early 2000s you had nu-metal, pop punk, and alternative rock bands with their buzz ballads. There was also white boy whine rock bands like Creed and such.

After that there was the retro rock thing with bands like The Strokes and The White Stripes.

Indie rock bands like The Black Keys and Arcade Fire started getting exposure after that.

Now, I can't think of anything sort of rock music that's getting mainstream exposure except for bands that were big back in the day getting by with the nostalgia factor and also with their hardcore fan base. Kids these days aren't listening to bands or instrumental music. Now it's all about R&B, dubstep, EDM, pop, hip hop...basically pretty much any music that doesn't involve someone playing an instrument. When I was a teen other people were talking about going to Ozzfest and other big rock tours, now it's all about these electronic music festivals where girls dress like neo-hippies.

Rock was essentially dead after Guns n Roses and Metallica early 90s. After that it was grunge, britpop and finally killed off with manufactured nu-metal which is pop ballads screamed and distorted.

Rock is alive and well in Viking Metal though. Several very good scandinavian bands now.

Post: #77

(12-14-2014 01:51 PM)CRR Wrote:  Not everything has to cater to everyone (as the ROK aptly states). People should just be able to enjoy what they enjoy. Don't like it, don't watch or listen.

This argument will fail with them. You're thinking logically. SJW's don't, they think emotionally.

You're also not thinking like a Narcissist. You recognise people have different feelings, emotions and attitudes to each other. Narcissist's see everyone as an extension of themselves: if they're unhappy and offended, everyone else needs to be unhappy and offended to mirror their beliefs, because they need everyone else to reinforce their own high self-opinion of themselves.

It's worthless arguing with them. You can be the very minority they're claiming to protect, telling them they're wrong, and they still wouldn't hear you. You aren't an autonomous human being to them.

Lena Dunham is a perfect example of this:

Quote:"I consider Grace to be an extension of me, and therefore I couldn’t handle the fact that she’s a very private person with her own value system and her own aesthetic and that we do different things.”

Post: #78

I'm not really following what this is about. Some faggots writing some articles urging for political correctness in metal shouldn't have much effect on anything as far as I see. The #gamergate got so big due to the ridiculous censorship on the Zoe Quinn story, what is there to see here? Just people writing out their dumb opinions.

Metal being controversial is not anything new. Some bands are outright banned from playing in Germany, and can have trouble finding venues that'll take them elsewhere as well.

Here's some clips from a documentary about Finnish black metal, on the subject of politics, "racism" and such:

Post: #79

I don't really care about the political aspects behind this Metalgate stuff, Metal has some gems and is just as alpha as rap music.

I listen to hip-hop/rap usually but one metal band I did fuck with is Dimmu Borgir.

And then theres some other bands such as Pierce the Veil, Bring me the Horizon and more recently Insomnium.





Besht way to handle this situation is to just say fuck em and keep doing what you doing and listen to the bands that don't succumb to their bitching.

Post: #80

I'm pumped to see so many metalheads here at RVF.

Post: #81

I've decided to start listening to metal now that I know they are sworn enemies of the SJW movement. I don't know much about the genre and I'm looking for recommendations. I like Mastodon, The Sword, and Protest the Hero.

Post: #82

(12-14-2014 05:59 PM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  I've decided to start listening to metal now that I know they are sworn enemies of the SJW movement. I don't know much about the genre and I'm looking for recommendations. I like Mastodon, The Sword, and Kylesa.

I like the classic stuff. I'd go for British Steel by Judas Priest, for one.

Post: #83

(12-14-2014 05:25 PM)R Smoov Wrote:  

I watched the live performance of this song yesterday and thought to myself how apt the lyrics are for metalgate happening.

Quote:The battle raged on and on
Fuelled by the venom of hatred for man
Consistently, without the eyes to see
By those who revel in sewer equally

We, the prosperity of the future seal
Cloaked by the thunders of the north wind
Born to capture the essence of
The trails of our kind

Zero tolerance must be issued forth
Behind the enemy's line
So it shall be written
And so it shall be done

Discover and conceive the secret wealth
And pass it unto your breed
Become your own congregation
Measure the sovereignty of it's invigoration

We, who not deny the animal of our nature
We, who yearn to preserve our liberation
We, who face darkness in our hearts with a solemn fire
We, who aspire to the truth and pursue it's strength

Are we not the undisputed prodigy of warfare
Fearing all the mediocrity that they possess
Should we not hunt the bastards down with our might
Reinforce and claim the throne that is rightfully ours

Consider the god we could be without the grace
Once and for all
Diminish the sub principle and leave it's toxic trace
Once and for all

Post: #84

(12-14-2014 05:59 PM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  I've decided to start listening to metal now that I know they are sworn enemies of the SJW movement. I don't know much about the genre and I'm looking for recommendations. I like Mastodon, The Sword, and Kylesa.

I like this. I listen to Iron Maiden, Megadeath, and some others every now and then:





This shit has happened before. Frank Zappa completely owned everyone in the room when they discussed music censorship back in the day. Tipper Gore played a large role in that one. The interview is hilarious when you see how few fucks Zappa gives:

Post: #85

And, not quite metal, but Zappa and Bozzio tearing the house down:

Post: #86

Wow I have so much respect for Zappa. I would have popped that slimy toad in the eye.

I've always loved this song by him:

Post: #87

My article on #Metalgate is up. I took inspiration from some of the stuff I read here.

http://t.co/T1ygoDZfA7

Post: #88

I cannot see this having the same effect as the Gamergate issue.

For one reason alone. Like Veloce and a few others said before, Metal is tooooo diverse. Your average Satanic/Black/Death metal bands and fans probably won't pay attention enough to know someone is criticizing them on social media in the first place. If they did, they would not care at all.

That said, I can see them attacking the more generic metal bands, easy to hate bands (like Metallica), very popular bands that post alot on social media (Deftones, Disturbed, etc.), or even those skinny jeans hipster Scream core/Mathcore and Christian metal kids (The Devil Wears Prada, The Fall of Troy, Haste the Day, Protest the Hero, etc.).

One of the more interesting bands like this has a girl for lead vocals. I Wrestled a Bear Once. She is not bad looking and has cool sounding growls and vocal voice. You would think she looks like a hideous fat dude, until you see her. This band has lots of fans, including myself. If the talent is there the fans will flock. There are a few other metal bands with women in them that are popular as well.





Whoever said attacking metal is like attacking a hydra was 100% correct. Too many different scenes of metal out there. There are just as many Skinheads and demonic guys as their are skinny jeans wearing ones. Like Veloce said, if you put all the fans of the bands I even mentioned in one room, many would not share anything in common with anyone in the room.

I have met coworkers that love Children of Bodom, like I do, for example, but outside of that we have literally nothing in common past that.

Post: #89

Back in college the feminists always tried shaming the metalheads. Even the feminist beta orbiters admitted that metal was "cool" unless they were blindly militant. We didn't care about politics or their gender classes, we liked the sounds we heard - end of story.

We naturally felt a stronger pull to Norse myth, motorcycles, leather, electronics and crazy solos than veganism, bell hooks and that same fucking D major chord. No one cared about anyone's color or orientation. We were drunk kids from all walks of life brought together by our love of music, not politics.

Apparently for them metal was immature and hateful and music should be 'all about the message' (translation: feminist lyrics with stripped down, anemic music). We were actually open minded in the beginning and went to a few of their concerts. My friends and I looked at each other like we were about to fall asleep. Contrast to the SJWs-in-making who never took an honest effort to appreciate metal. At best they would stand around outside a show, feigning cool while gossiping about nonsense.

For much of metal the message is auditory, not verbal (though lyrics can be inspirational). The aesthetic, the theatrics, and attitude is all secondary to the music. It's not punk where it's a political statement, it's an inner journey. We listen to it as we want. Where's the justice in telling people they're not allowed to feel good listening to something they like? Nothing but mind control is what they want.

Funny enough the feminist punk girls liked to make the rounds with hardcore drug abusers, dealers and ex-cons. Think classic Tuth inspired tattooed, pierced, short hair, openly mocking anyone not in their personal clique or who might be "normal".

Saw one of them a few years back dressed normal and dating some banker, poor guy. Some slept with teachers for favors, others would cause drama and get exiled from their social circles for being insufferable cunts.

Also hipsters have been infesting metal music for years, stripping away the manhood and ballsy riffs for meandering garbage with pseudo-intellectual drivel. You could feel a lack of testosterone in those guys.

Case in point: hipster black metal (warning: you may be tempted to punch your screen.) Note the bandmate crossing his legs away at 3:00




Quick Detox after that trainwreck of a video:



Lyric Sheet

Metal has always been a genre for men who are not afraid to be men. Not everyone can write metal. There's no "formula", rather a surge of personality and energy. It can be simple or complex. Done right, it's a mix of logic, emotion, creativity and economics, something I doubt SJWs can bring together skillfully, hence their relegation to journalism.

I met a very attractive off-the-boat Slavic girl a few years back who loved extreme metal. She was feminine, bubbly and wore skirts and 6" heels everywhere. Last I saw she was exposed to hipsterville as she let herself go and developed a rotten attitude. Coincidence?

There are heavy metal fans from all around the world in all shapes and forms. South America has a huge scene with big festivals every year. In my travels around Europe I've seen a range from the stereotypical tatted up militant to French schoolgirls, Scandinavian businessmen and cab drivers speeding through at 3AM blasting their speakers. The minute you and an aggressive looking Slavic guy start talking about music and heavy metal comes up, call out the next day because revelry is to be had all around.

What brings all these disparate kinds of people together is their love of a music driven by a fundamental will to not be sucked into society's mediocrity. SJWs want to infiltrate metal to tame the beast from within and shackle them to mediocrity.

In a way, metal is antifragile because there is no "community". There is no "base" to strike at because metal fans come from everywhere and anywhere. You can attack the stereotypes but the cells will still exist. It's music, it doesn't need a base. It exists in your mind. They've been barring bands from entering the US or from playing in venues around the world for years but the music itself lives on.

What SJWs seek to accomplish is systemized brainwashing. They don't just want you to look, vote and talk like them, now you must feel like them. Deep down into your psyche, you must truly believe their perception of the world. All in the name of justice.

The only political agenda comes between the choice of freedom and control. The SJW's want self-censorship, and mind control. Their "anti-fa" methods are a backdoor to authoritarianism. If they were to succeed, the shape of the music would change because it will become engineered to fit an unnatural mold based on theoretical nonsense.

All this because their feelings are hurt.

Zappa said it best in 1977 to a Toronto newspaper:
“Most rock journalism is people who can’t write interviewing people who can’t talk for people who can’t read.”

My anthem pick, long though the atmosphere and lyrics hit home:



Lyric Sheet

Post: #90

(12-14-2014 06:40 PM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  Wow I have so much respect for Zappa. I would have popped that slimy toad in the eye.

I've always loved this song by him:

From that Album I love Willie the Pimp:





I saw Zappa Plays Zappa, and it was the best live show I've seen. They brought up some of the original Mothers and tore it up.

I've also been partial to Inca Roads:





And one of my favorite way to screen for bitches is to have them listen to Broken Hearts are for Assholes:





If they can listen to that and laugh I'll get along with them jeeest fine.

Post: #91

They think they know who the metal heads are. All the know is that they love to kill.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

(12-14-2014 04:13 AM)FilipSRB Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 10:12 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  i wouldn't be surprised if a couple (or all) SJW get stripped, raped, and strangled when they try to ban metal.

Post: #92

^ Metalgate will leave the hipsters face down, dead on the ground.

Post: #93

New evidence has come forth regarding the SJW focus on Metal:

Post: #94

(12-14-2014 05:59 PM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  I've decided to start listening to metal now that I know they are sworn enemies of the SJW movement. I don't know much about the genre and I'm looking for recommendations. I like Mastodon, The Sword, and Protest the Hero.

Fuck Protest The Hero. They're great musicians (seen 'em twice) but they're SJW to the core. Just read the lyrics to their latest album.

Mastodon's old shit is classic. Check out Remission and Leviathan if you haven't yet. Much better than Mastodon's new albums.

Post: #95

(12-14-2014 10:00 PM)Aziz Nuts Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 05:59 PM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  I've decided to start listening to metal now that I know they are sworn enemies of the SJW movement. I don't know much about the genre and I'm looking for recommendations. I like Mastodon, The Sword, and Protest the Hero.

Fuck Protest The Hero. They're great musicians (seen 'em twice) but they're SJW to the core. Just read the lyrics to their latest album.

Mastodon's old shit is classic. Check out Remission and Leviathan if you haven't yet. Much better than Mastodon's new albums.

Exactly why it's hard for sjw to fight all metal artists because quite a few handfuls are probably the same as them. I also refused to buy that latest protest the hero album for their stupid lyrics, but I have the first 3. They fucking sold out hardcore despite being kinda redpill like in the beginning.

They could try fighting the hardcore types with obscure followings but they will most likely ignore them. Those types truly give zero fucks about anyone that doesn't like their music. Some of them worship Satan for crying out loud. Some are skinheads like the hatebreed crowd. They were already on blast at the beginning. They cannot be a thorn in the side of people that were thorns to begin with.

Post: #96

(12-14-2014 10:00 PM)Aziz Nuts Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 05:59 PM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  I've decided to start listening to metal now that I know they are sworn enemies of the SJW movement. I don't know much about the genre and I'm looking for recommendations. I like Mastodon, The Sword, and Protest the Hero.

Fuck Protest The Hero. They're great musicians (seen 'em twice) but they're SJW to the core. Just read the lyrics to their latest album.

Mastodon's old shit is classic. Check out Remission and Leviathan if you haven't yet. Much better than Mastodon's new albums.

Oh wow, I cringed as soon as I clicked the link. Yeah I just like their music. Not as much as Mastodon and The Sword though. Jeez I spent today listening to their older stuff and it sounds incredible. I think this is a good change I've brought into my life.

Post: #97

(12-14-2014 10:19 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Exactly why it's hard for sjw to fight all metal artists because quite a few handfuls are probably the same as them. I also refused to buy that latest protest the hero album for their stupid lyrics, but I have the first 3. They fucking sold out hardcore despite being kinda redpill like in the beginning.

They could try fighting the hardcore types with obscure followings but they will most likely ignore them. Those types truly give zero fucks about anyone that doesn't like their music. Some of them worship Satan for crying out loud. Some are skinheads like the hatebreed crowd. They were already on blast at the beginning. They cannot be a thorn in the side of people that were thorns to begin with.

Dude it's so true. PTH sucks so bad now. Saw them open for Dragonforce way back in the day and they were these skinny dorks from Canada, totally grateful to play for a crowd. Saw them touring off of Scurrilous and they were making stupid leftie speeches in between songs. Everybody was yelling at them to shut the fuck up and play.

You're totally right about the different crowds. There's a lot of hipsters/leftism in newer metal, especially metalcore. Unbowed mentioned Liturgy earlier, which is a great example. I can't stand Deafheaven. Same hipster horseshit.

Hardcore and punk rock are more fertile grounds for SJW bullshit. One kid ran a spot that was a combination of art gallery/DIY music venue. He got married to some bitchy riot grrrrrrlll and started including feminist slam poetry in between bands. Needless to say I stopped going to those shows real fucking quick.

Post: #98

Looks like Danzig got caught off guard here

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Post: #99

(12-14-2014 10:34 PM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  Oh wow, I cringed as soon as I clicked the link. Yeah I just like their music. Not as much as Mastodon and The Sword though. Jeez I spent today listening to their older stuff and it sounds incredible. I think this is a good change I've brought into my life.

Sweet bro, always good whenever somebody gets into metal! Welcome aboard.

I generally don't give a shit about metal lyrics (most are actually really corny) except when they support feminism or other leftist/SJW issues. I largely quit going to punk rock shows even though I love punk because I'm sick of the leftist shit.

I don't have too many good recommendations for you since I don't like sludge, but you might want to check out Baroness, Isis, Pelican, Black Tusk, Red Fang, etc. Just fire up Spotify and check out "related artists." If you want I'll post a few blogs I read when I'm looking for new music.

Post: #100

Yes please! Pitchfork and Adult Swim had introduced me to Baroness and Isis and I like them. I'll check out the others too.

Oh and speaking of Peefuck, they're going to be one of the major sites in promoting sjw values for metal. They've talked about almost nothing but this bullshit in the indie realm in the last year while still reviewing stuff like the Shady Records album/compilation, hating it for being bigoted, and left that review up for the entirety of Thanksgiving weekend. They review a lot of metal and have a spin-off site for metal so I can promise you they're looking to cause trouble.