Post: #26

Here is the thing I don't understand about Janka (and a ton of of other commercial pick up artists):

He says he goes on ten to 15 dates per week?

And he has slept with 130 women?

So lets do the math, the cat is at least 30 years old. Probably 33-35. But lets play it conservative.

10 years (age 20 to 30) x 52 weeks x 10 dates (conservative) = 5200 dates

And the guy has only slept with 130 women in his life?

That's a .025 close ratio.

Or if we use less conservative numbers, thats 11700 dates or a .011 close ratio.

Most guys that have real Game (and when I say Game, I mean the old-school usage, not the corrupted pick up artist usage), can do better than that with a paper bag over their head.

And that is assuming he did nothing until age 20!

Why would anyone listen to any of these commercial pick up artists?

Their numbers never add up.

Out here in the real world, cats swoop 100 girls per year ( http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2010/01/how...-year.html ), close girls at like a 75% ratio, and have jobs/own businesses and make money.

It amazes me sometimes that this "industry" even exists.

Post: #27

I just read his .pdf. He lives in NY since 3-4 years ago and probably he fucked those 130 women in this time.
I like his ideology about women, about not giving shit and move on.

I'm not agreeing with his text game, he tells "don't call the girl because she will feel the nervousness in your voice". Then wtf are you going to do when you meet her face to face?

Post: #28

Jack_007 -

"He lives in NY since 3-4 years ago and probably he fucked those 130 women in this time."

Ok, so let's assume your right.

4 x 15 x 52 = 3120 dates

.04 close ratio.

The guy isn't exactly setting the world on fire is he?

And 4 years as a player is a beginner.

There are 18 year olds out there with that much time in the Game.

Post: #29

"4 x 15 x 52 = 3120 dates"

I doubt he went on that many dates. In fact, there is no way he could have gone on that many dates since the dude was shit broke.

His # of dates per week he sites was probably a bad estimate.

Anyways, I like that Janka was pretty much broke the entire time he was in NYC.

He lived in a very tiny apartment & had very little money, and he was still able to get pussy...yeah, his looks helped a lot, but still.

I like his approach.

Post: #30

"100 girls per year"

that's a lot of girls.

Post: #31

When a guy is selling a book on how to get laid, it's safe to assume the numbers he gives it are exaggerations or rounded up estimates. Janka generally has good game tips but the responses you'll get to his game will be different than he gets. Honestly I rather learn from a guy who is at least within 1 or 2 points of my looks level. If I'm a 6, Janka is a 9.

I hate to be mum on my day game model, but I'm waiting for my book to come out. Then here and on the blog i'll go into theories/tips/etc. It should be ready in 2 or 3 months.

Post: #32

Ok, but here is the thing with his numbers, they don't add up even if he is exaggerating.

130 girls in his career.

How old is he? Let's say 34.

First swoop? Let's say conservatively at age 18.

16 years swooping.

130 swoops / 16 years = 8 girls per year.

Not exactly jaw dropping. If you go out to nightclubs 3 nights a week for a year and just stand there holding a goose and soda, smoking a grit you will get 8 fly girls during the course of the year to take you home.

Hell, you can swoop 8 girls in a week during spring break Cancun. And that is if you are passed out half the trip and you spend 5 hours a day learning how to cook up authentic taquitos.

Post: #33

The Myth-Busted

Post: #34

"Ok, but here is the thing with his numbers, they don't add up even if he is exaggerating.

130 girls in his career.

How old is he? Let's say 34.

First swoop? Let's say conservatively at age 18.

16 years swooping.

130 swoops / 16 years = 8 girls per year.

Not the kind of guy I would be listening to.

Hell, you can swoop 8 girls in a week during spring break Cancun."

His number is probably higher now. The 130 number was what he said back on Dr. Phil (which was what, like 2008?).

Also, g-man, you forget that he had serious girlfriends for several years, off and on, since he was 18.

I know guys here don't like to talk about girlfriends, but serious girlfriends always take you out of the running (at least if you are faithful to her).

Post: #35

"When a guy is selling a book on how to get laid, it's safe to assume the numbers he gives it are exaggerations or rounded up estimates. Janka generally has good game tips but the responses you'll get to his game will be different than he gets. Honestly I rather learn from a guy who is at least within 1 or 2 points of my looks level. If I'm a 6, Janka is a 9.

I hate to be mum on my day game model, but I'm waiting for my book to come out. Then here and on the blog i'll go into theories/tips/etc. It should be ready in 2 or 3 months. "

Good point, Roosh.

I would like to see what you have to say about daygame since I haven't ever really done it and have my own questions about it.

Post: #36

Let's say he fucked 130 women in 4 years, in NYC. That means one woman every 12 days. He's not so good like he braggs.

Post: #37

I like G's breakdown.

8 girls per year for a tall white guy with male model looks, no real job running around NYC chasing bishes 24/7?

Post: #38

(04-23-2011 04:07 PM)Jack_007 Wrote:  Let's say he fucked 130 women in 4 years, in NYC. That means one woman every 12 days. He's not so good like he braggs.

That's still a lot better than most guys.

Post: #39

(04-23-2011 04:33 PM)Easy E Wrote:  

(04-23-2011 04:07 PM)Jack_007 Wrote:  Let's say he fucked 130 women in 4 years, in NYC. That means one woman every 12 days. He's not so good like he braggs.

That's still a lot better than most guys.

Yeah, right now I can just dream of that, but at least I'm not going to TV shows to bragg and teach others. I bet that are guys who look like him and sleep with more girls and they have no ideea about this "game industry".

Post: #40

(04-23-2011 04:33 PM)Easy E Wrote:  

(04-23-2011 04:07 PM)Jack_007 Wrote:  Let's say he fucked 130 women in 4 years, in NYC. That means one woman every 12 days. He's not so good like he braggs.

That's still a lot better than most guys.

I was gonna say the same thing. He does come across as a bit of a braggart but whatever, he's banging a lot of chicks. He writes books and does all of the media stuff to make money, duh. It works.

Post: #41

(04-21-2011 03:18 PM)KickBomber Wrote:  Hey all,

I posted about streetgame in another thread a while ago asking about a specific sticking point, but really, there's a bigger problem. Please help.

I've done over 200 street approaches in the Union Square area (NYC), with 2 dates with one girl to show for it. And about 20 numbers that went nowhere. I've been going direct with 95% of these.

I'm really starting to get frustrated, because I don't know why my results are so horrible. When I say those numbers don't go anywhere, I mean that at least 13 or 14 of them never even responded to texts/calls. And except for one girl, I never saw any of those again. And that one girl gave me an approach invitation by smiling, so as far as cold approaches go, I have an absolute 0% success rate.

I had a long back and forth with Mark Manson (Entropy) starting here about it.

If you didn't go there to read the conversation, one thing he asked is if I'm physically unattractive. I won't go into it, but I'm definitely not.

He says it must be body language, and I've been paying more attention to it, but I'm still getting blown out almost immediately after the opener all the time. I just don't know what else to do to try and increase my results. It would be nice to start getting dates, or at least some responses on the phone.

The more I read on forums about people who do daygame, they make it sound so easy, like the girls are more receptive, and numbers flake less, and that has DEFINITELY not been my experience. I'm better at conversations now for sure, but the rate I get numbers at (1 out of every 10 approaches), hasn't changed at all, and the girl I got a date with was 100 approaches ago.

I'd REALLY appreciate some help or guidance, because I'm getting pretty down on going out right now. I feel like I'm banging my head against the wall, and I'm not even making a dent.

Thanks to anyone who actually read all this.

I don't think your doing terrible, contrary to what others here might think.

It took me about 200 daygame approaches to get my first couple of dates in daygame.

During that time, I was only getting about 1 number every 10 sets.

After about the 200 approach mark, I started to just get much better and wasn't doing too much different. I began to get about 1 number every 5 sets and dates like every other week.

Also, try to insta-date and if you get the insta-date, lead the girl as far as you can that day. Don't just get the number and go or stop w/ having a coffee/drink. Push it to your place and if she refuses, then get that number.

Just keep working at it. See how it goes during the summer as well, when NYC daygame should be at its best.

Check out some of the podcasts/info at daygame.com if you haven't already.

Keep going man. Daygame isn't for everybody. I did night game for over a year and got poor results before I realized it just wasn't going to work for me. But you'll need to stick w/ daygame thru the summer before you draw a conclusion.

And also, try to hit on many types of girls. See what styles/ethnicities react to you best.

Post: #42

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Post: #43

"Unrelated, I got a makeout with an Argentinean girl last night at the bar using the questions game, so that was cool."

nice job. what did she look like. some argentine girls are just flat out gorgeous.

Post: #44

"I'm making them stop to listen to the opener. "

good. my theory -- that i got from lovedrop or krauser or somebody -- is that if your alpha masculine energy is strong enough, the girl WILL stop. that is the first and really the biggest test. if she doesn't want to stop, you are not projecting male sexuality enough.

"I've been having a hard time getting them to stay stopped after the opener, so I usually ask them 'what're you up to' or their name."

that is all wrong.

it was wrong before, too, when you said this:

"Then I would qualify them, 'what's the most interesting thing about you' or 'what do you do for fun'."

that's not qualifying them, that's interviewing them. big difference.

if you haven't fully impressed her yet --- hooked her yet -- then she will not be invested enough to try and wing you over, or validate herself for you.

this is where push pull comes in -- and false disqualifiers. you gotta neg her. you need to pay closer attention to what krauser does.

for example, you stop her and say, "hey, i just noticed you from across the street. i wasn't sure why. and then i realized. i love your dress. so colorful --- but it is sort of a hippie style, right? are you a hippie?"

see how you push pulled her? and by semi insulting her withing the first 10 seconds of knowing her -- a mild false disqualifier -- you have impressed her, you have shocked her out of her system, you are no longer just some regular joe trying to get in her pants, you are a strong alpha male saying whatever he feels like saying.

HUGE DIFFERENCE

Post: #45

if you do parts 1 and 2 correctly --- stopped her in her tracks with strong masculine vibe and push pulled her correctly -- then she will start smiling and giggling and feel self conscious and start to qualify herself to you immediately.

what does this mean?

this means that she has accepted your frame that you are the socially dominant one, and that she is the socially submissive one.

THIS IS HUGE

do that enough with her until she has fully accepted this frame, and then you can start opening up to her and vibing with her, still teasing her of course.

one great insight from willy wonka was to try this krauser day game approach at night, outside of the bars and clubs, where girls are more open to sexual banter.

not INSIDE the clubs, where there is too much noise, but outside on the street.

Post: #46

(04-21-2011 03:18 PM)KickBomber Wrote:  I've done over 200 street approaches in the Union Square area (NYC), with 2 dates with one girl to show for it. And about 20 numbers that went nowhere. I've been going direct with 95% of these.

I'm really starting to get frustrated, because I don't know why my results are so horrible. When I say those numbers don't go anywhere, I mean that at least 13 or 14 of them never even responded to texts/calls. And except for one girl, I never saw any of those again. And that one girl gave me an approach invitation by smiling, so as far as cold approaches go, I have an absolute 0% success rate.

Quote:The more I read on forums about people who do daygame, they make it sound so easy, like the girls are more receptive, and numbers flake less, and that has DEFINITELY not been my experience. I'm better at conversations now for sure, but the rate I get numbers at (1 out of every 10 approaches), hasn't changed at all, and the girl I got a date with was 100 approaches ago.

Are any of these people who claim day game is easy, are they doing this NYC? Anybody who claims getting laid in NYC by high quality women using day game is easy and they aren't posting specific venue/techniques/niche is full of shit. Getting consistent high quality bangs out of cold approaching in Manhattan is something that very few guys can actually pull off. Shit, even Justyn Wayne whose stomping grounds is Union Square admitted in his blog that doing what he does is not something that everybody can do. Also, if you look at most of his Lay Reports, most of the chicks there are either tourist or new immigrants so you might try targeting that niche of girls.

Don't get me wrong, you should still campaign like Obama in Union Square but just don't put so much emotional stake in it. In a place like as large as NYC, venue and niches trumps body language/routines/ etc any time. There are guys with zero game(default macking) who still get laid like a champs just because they are at the right place at the right time. Don't just go randomly to any public space to waste your time. I don't know how long you have been living in city so I am going to give you 4 specific tips for day gaming. You can thank me later.

1. Its getting warm out, go to NYC parks and recreation dept website(http://www.nycgovparks.org/) and look for the event calendars to find out where different events are being held. Every weekend something or somebody is going to have an event. Anything "ethic" is good to go, Just make sure you read up on the country the event is about. Opener:
"Hey, Are you from (specific city/region) by any chance? its been a while since I have been there ...."

2. Personally I find Subways and train stations tough spots to game, girls are always on guard for unsavory characters like purse snatchers, homeless, guetto slashers and booty grabbers. Also the subway attracts a lot of perverts who like to rub on girls and like to jerk off in front of them. Plus trains are too damn noisy and come in too frequently to get any kind of rapport going. Instead hit up the Staten Island ferry. It looks less menacing, chicks dig water and boats so they already in a good mood and you know you have 30 minutes to spit your best game before the next boat arrives. Opener: "excuse, do you know where do I pay for the ferry?" *(the ferry is free, this quick test to find out if shes a tourist.)

3. Hit up double decker tour buses and cruises. Tourist chicks are seldom alone so make sure your isolation Game is tight. Hang out(instant date) with group after the tour and work on your target. Your whole goal should be to make her and her friends feel like you are not going to take the pussy so she would trust you enough to hang out without her friends. Stay away from Time Square if you are a minority. TS is filled with touts who are mostly Black\Latino, it doesn't take long before a tourist chick thinks that every Brotha who is approaching her there is trying to sell her something or a shitty comedy show. Opener: "Hi, What did he said about(whatever building the tour guide spoke about)?"

4. This is not really Day Game tip per se but will help you stop wasting your hard earned money on cock infested clubs. On the back of the free weekly paper Village Voice there are literally dozens of concert/shows featuring some obscure or has been shitty indie/jazz/metal/Rap artist or band. Those shows attract a lot of ALT chicks who tend to put out on the first date. The shows tend to be in the middle of the week and early in the evening so you don't have to waste a weekend with the fellas to try something new. Opener: "hey, What's your favorite Special Ed(or name of the artist) album?"

Post: #47

"On the back of the free weekly paper Village Voice there are literally dozens of concert/shows featuring some obscure or has been shitty indie/jazz/metal/Rap artist or band. Those shows attract a lot of ALT chicks who tend to put out on the first date."

i like this idea.

a lot.

Post: #48

hey, I'm in NYC here and here are some of my day tips specifically for the city:

1. Don't just go "day gaming", go out and do fun shit and if you see females in the middle of that fun shit - your approach will be way more successful. for example - just move one block from union square to the big Barnes and noble bookstore. Looks for books or magazines you like and approach girls. The fact that you go out "day gaming" will make your mood completely determined by the girls you approach

2. Use my subway opener - make eye contact, then say "you know what, this is funny, this is usually how Craigslist Missed Connections start, except I'm not a gigantic pussy and you're not way too full of yourself" (which is how most craigslist missed connections come off)

Post: #49

(04-25-2011 01:32 PM)Kid Strangelove Wrote:  hey, I'm in NYC here and here are some of my day tips specifically for the city:

1. Don't just go "day gaming", go out and do fun shit and if you see females in the middle of that fun shit - your approach will be way more successful. for example - just move one block from union square to the big Barnes and noble bookstore. Looks for books or magazines you like and approach girls. The fact that you go out "day gaming" will make your mood completely determined by the girls you approach

Great point, don't make them dictate what you do. I like going to museums and art exhibitions anyway. Helps that there are usually lots of fly arty girls at these venues.

Going to gallery openings is a great way to meet girls; usually there are free drinks too. I walked around Chelsea signing my email address up to all the gallery lists a couple of weeks ago, but I'm not getting many invitations. There has to be a more efficient way. Anyone know a good resource for NYC gallery and exhibition openings?

Quote:2. Use my subway opener - make eye contact, then say "you know what, this is funny, this is usually how Craigslist Missed Connections start, except I'm not a gigantic pussy and you're not way too full of yourself" (which is how most craigslist missed connections come off)

This one is fucking great.

Post: #50

(04-24-2011 05:51 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  [. Also, if you look at most of his Lay Reports, most of the chicks there are either tourist or new immigrants so you might try targeting that niche of girls.

Great Insight PWP , Help me if you can ......... Where are some of the Tourist Specific spots/Niches in NYC and What specific Angles to play with Tourists ?

I have had success with Tourists in NYC in Central Park but are there any specific areas that you would recommend ?

Might even consider a separate thread for Tourist Chicks in different cities NYC, CHICAGO, MIAMI ?