Post: #1

I think demonstrating high value DHVs, is one of the core tenets of game. Revealing that you have been around the world or you have a Bugatti in the driveway can turn a NO girl into a HELL YEAH girl. Personally I don't have that much tangible value (yet) so I have to bullshit my way into a girl's pants.

From what I have noticed in the clubs the main ways guys demonstrate value is through

Preselection, rolling in with a couple of 9s on your arms is the best way to let bitches know you are the man.

Social proof, rolling in with your crew, fresh to death and all eyes on you. You know the bouncer and the bouncer knows you. So does the DJ, the manager and the bartender. People call out your name as soon as you appear.

Resource display, making it rain in the club and buying expensive champagne at the bar.

Story telling, not bragging but through tales of jet setting and meeting celebrities.

Lowering the value of people around you. Teasing and making fun of people within your crew or people around you.

Kicking people's asses. Starting a fight and wiping the floor with the biggest guy in the club.

Positioning. Perching your ass in the VIP where everyone can see you or on a
high chair.

Being tall, ripped and good looking.

Being a good dancer.

Not sure how this relates to day game, but curious to find out how you guys demonstrate high value to a girl? Like I said, I bullshit.

Post: #2

I think majority of it, is inner game I mean how many people do you know that get VIP and girls go to them only to use them, I think if by trying to lower the value of people around you, you come off as insecure. I believe most of them time when you come off as an interesting secure man you create more tingles than peacocking with the intention to get female attention, dont get me wrong if you self improve many of those things you list will come as an extra to make things way easier but inner strength is first then the good things come that make slaying even easier.

Post: #3

"Lowering the value of people around you. Teasing and making fun of people within your crew or people around you."

This one is not demonstrating high value. This is called being a cunt.

Post: #4

Being comfortable in your own skin. Period

Post: #5

Mastering inner game, as MDP stated.

Post: #6

Post: #7

Inner game dudes...nothing against it (since it's vitally important), but the question was:

How do you demonstrate high value?

Post: #8

I wear a suit and Rolex most of the time.

Post: #9

If you are confident and have good body-language then you don't need to display high value, as she will sense that you are a high value man. Deliberate displays of higher value make you appear like you're trying to impress her. Personally, I will deliberately hold back things that are impressive about me at first, or downplay them (or even make fun of them) if they get brought up in group conversation, because I don't want to look like I need her validation (which I don't).

Post: #10

The biggest demonstration of high value is the willingness to walk away. I think in order to get it right you actually have to walk away a few times. If girls are always the ones ending interactions then you're doing something wrong.

Post: #11

This thread probably belongs in the newbie section.

But demonstrating higher value is more of being than doing. As such you can't really explain it, you just feel when people are high value or not by their disposition, confidence & experience.

The easiest& best way to demonstrate higher value is your social group. Are your friends wealthy, successful & goodlooking and are you chill with them in social settings? You're judged by the company you keep. If those are you're friends, that's you too. But this comes back to being rather than doing, because you wouldn't have those types of successful friends unless you are successful too.

Post: #12

Just look confident; it doesn't matter how rich you are. However there is a principle that if you have a high-value car and expensive shit, you will "feel" better, therefore look more confident, so in a certain way, yes it is true. But girls will see YOU, a confident man, rather than the expensive toys you have.

Being in the VIP section of the club means mothing.

Lowering value of people around you is called being a dick (no pun intended).

Post: #13

Two words, wit and intellect. Doesn't hurt that I'm bigger than the average guy either.

Post: #14

(12-09-2014 06:54 PM)Ensam Wrote:  The biggest demonstration of high value is the willingness to walk away. I think in order to get it right you actually have to walk away a few times. If girls are always the ones ending interactions then you're doing something wrong.

Well said. At some point early on I realized that I was never rejecting anyone else. I would approach and engage any girl higher than say a 5. If she showed interest for a while, we would date or bang until she decided it wasn't working out. I let a lot of these girls got away with way too much shit and should have cut them off but I kept them around for a few extra lays.

Demonstrating high value is looking at yourself and realizing that you don't need the girls that don't fuck you unless they're bored and don't want to talk unless they are bitching about something. It's about making every interaction on your terms, or they can GTFO. Don't chase around and shower girls with affection that aren't even meeting you half way.

Post: #15

As more kids swallow the "red pill" its going to be up to us older cats to lay down some laws. I am seeing more and more every day, some kid gets dumped, finds some websites and picks himself up by trying to bring other people down. Men just being straight up assholes thinking this is how an alpha should be. Loud, aggressive, all talk.

This is not how its done. You start down this path, you will end up alone and broke because people do not want to be associated for too long with a man like this. Once the coke and champagne are gone, so are your friends.

As others have said, high value is built. If you are not old enough to have built it, its done by learning and doing and working hard. I know kids in high school that I consider high value, they are leading their peers by being a good example. Not stealing rims to throw money around for a night.

Go ahead, fake it til you make it, but you better be working hard and learning as much as you can in the meantime. You have until about 25 before smarter men then you start to call you on your bullshit (if they care about you) or just disregard you entirely.

Post: #16

Being non-needy, being knowledgeable.

Post: #17

I have seen a number of Mystery's videos. Seems he was forever talking about DHV spikes and telling stories that show value.

The whole idea of neg hits I thought was about lowering a girl's value and increasing yours.

Post: #18

Confidence is key, if you love, value, and believe in yourself, then the rest ultimately will take care of itself. It took me losing almost everything during the recession to find myself (as I thought material possessions and wealth attracted females), and lo and behold I had to gain an inner strength I'd never thought possible.

Once I began understanding that, I had great success even without a job or car at that time and the ladies didn't care, they saw my true value and not a facade.

Post: #19

Show her your high end zebra

Just to keep perspective, I think in most cases you only need to show that you have higher value than her. It doesn't have to be much, though the higher, the easier. That being said,

What a willingness to walk away does is flip the script so that she is the one chasing you. It's about controlling your neediness, because neediness is threatening. A good way to do this is to have her qualifying herself to you, or otherwise have her on the defensive (in a playful manner). Avoid needy body language or becoming invested too much too soon. She can't chase what she has already caught (which is why supplicating betas are so repulsive).

When wishing to DHV via accomplishments, "Show, don't tell," is your best route (exception for gold diggers. Tell, tell, tell). Going out of your way to point out your high points looks needy, which, again, is threatening. I'm guessing the reason for this is that if someone is drawing attention to their high points in a very obvious fashion, it seems incongruent with the high value they are trying to portray, as if they are not accustomed to it. E.g. Leo Dicaprio doesn't have to point out he's Leo Dicaprio. That's his identity and he owns it. Likewise, if you're wearing a Rolex, don't draw obvious attention to your Rolex. It should just be part of who you are, to be noticed on her terms.

Edit: Just a thought. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if a guy is always talking about his fancy car, it looks like he has lower value than his fancy car. That's why he's always drawing attention to it. On the other hand, if he doesn't make a big deal about it, then this suggests that he is better than his fancy car. It's just one small part of who he is.

Post: #20

I don't actively anymore. Develop your inner game to be tight that every woman will pedestalize you.

After that, just blow shit tests out of the water and it demonstrates high value automatically.

Post: #21

(12-09-2014 04:02 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Being comfortable in your own skin. Period

This for me is spot on.

Especially for younger guys out there like my self (24), I currently dont have the tangible shit that a guy at age 30 can possess like the cars, house, VIP table at the club dropping $400 on bottle service or what have you, so our only real option is self improvement along the way.

Post: #22

(12-09-2014 02:39 PM)Pride male Wrote:  I think demonstrating high value DHVs, is one of the core tenets of game. Revealing that you have been around the world or you have a Bugatti in the driveway can turn a NO girl into a HELL YEAH girl. Personally I don't have that much tangible value (yet) so I have to bullshit my way into a girl's pants.

From what I have noticed in the clubs the main ways guys demonstrate value is through

Preselection, rolling in with a couple of 9s on your arms is the best way to let bitches know you are the man.

Social proof, rolling in with your crew, fresh to death and all eyes on you. You know the bouncer and the bouncer knows you. So does the DJ, the manager and the bartender. People call out your name as soon as you appear.

Resource display, making it rain in the club and buying expensive champagne at the bar.
Story telling, not bragging but through tales of jet setting and meeting celebrities.

Lowering the value of people around you. Teasing and making fun of people within your crew or people around you.

Kicking people's asses. Starting a fight and wiping the floor with the biggest guy in the club.

Positioning. Perching your ass in the VIP where everyone can see you or on a
high chair.

Being tall, ripped and good looking.

Being a good dancer.

Not sure how this relates to day game, but curious to find out how you guys demonstrate high value to a girl? Like I said, I bullshit.

Depends on the culture... Being tall and ripped is a must have in the US or Australia but Its not important in Eastern europe where women see men more as a "provider".

Your value definition is pretty much an all-american one which fits the US and most of the Anglosphere, but has little to no value outside of it...

Making fun of others is perceived as low class and retarded outside the brat societies like US or Australia, so be prepared to get looked down by doing this....


The concept of teasing.."game" ,etc is much more of an american thing than you actually think...

Thats why tv shows such as sex and the city were so toxic for non-anglo women mental sanity... American women are so damn complicated because american men are the same way... to much expectations and shit you have to deal with which isnt the norm anywhere else.

Post: #23

(12-09-2014 10:01 PM)Laner Wrote:  As more kids swallow the "red pill" its going to be up to us older cats to lay down some laws. I am seeing more and more every day, some kid gets dumped, finds some websites and picks himself up by trying to bring other people down. Men just being straight up assholes thinking this is how an alpha should be. Loud, aggressive, all talk.

This is not how its done. You start down this path, you will end up alone and broke because people do not want to be associated for too long with a man like this. Once the coke and champagne are gone, so are your friends.

As others have said, high value is built. If you are not old enough to have built it, its done by learning and doing and working hard. I know kids in high school that I consider high value, they are leading their peers by being a good example. Not stealing rims to throw money around for a night.

Go ahead, fake it til you make it, but you better be working hard and learning as much as you can in the meantime. You have until about 25 before smarter men then you start to call you on your bullshit (if they care about you) or just disregard you entirely.

This is gold. I see way too many people thinking that being an asshole=being an alpha and they end up being an asshole not only to girls but also to their friends and then a year later they are wondering why they are all alone.

Post: #24

Demonstrating attractive traits is done subtly and in an unfakeable manner.

E.g. intelligence is an attractive trait (outside Australia), but saying 'I am smart" is both fakeable (anyone can say it) and not subtle (it's 'try-hard'). To demonstrate it, you can have good in-context humor (unfakeable, is a fast concept-linking exercise which requires good mental ability), or show it by playing an instrument/singing/dancing (evidencing neuromuscular ability and mental creativity), or be able to talk about complicated topics with good vocabulary whilst in-context (dropping out of context would make it sound 'try-hard'), or be able to defeat someone eloquently in an argument, or to incidentally reveal something you do or have done that could only be done with high intelligence.

E.g. fame/status/reputation is an attractive trait (actually an embodiment of other traits previously shown to others over time), but saying 'everyone thinks highly of me' will make you sound like a douche. Why? It's fakeable (anyone can say it) and try-hard. To demonstrate it, she has to see 'eyes on you', she has to hear people saying good things about you and showing respect, she has to see people trying to spend time with you.

E.g. wealth is an attractive trait, but buying gifts is try-hard, and showing pictures of things you supposedly own is fakeable. The primary proof is 'conspicuous consumption', i.e. 'I have so much wealth I can afford to burn through it'. To demonstrate it, you'd be throwing money around just because it was incidental to you enjoying yourself ("I love cognac" whilst downing Courvoisier XO, versus "Oh look girls we're drinking XO!"), or you'd reveal sports or activities you engage in which could only be done with a big bankroll, or you'd reveal aspects of your lifestyle (in context) which imply wealth (e.g. you have a driver, you have a second home etc).

This is one of the reasons, I think, why looks get a lot of focus. Looks are automatically subtle (e.g. unless you are actually flexing your muscles like a bodybuilder, it's not try hard), and unfakeable. They are 'always on', and don't need active demonstration.
That said, its funny sometimes to see jacked guys in a club, who feel they aren't getting enough attention, start trying to get it by exaggerating chest and arm movements, and look like douches instead as a result. The moment you appear to be trying, you've lost.