Post: #251

(12-10-2017 02:11 PM)questor70 Wrote:  I've had to adopt a mentality of not treating a woman is a viable prospect until I've gotten to the 2nd or third date. It's amazing how personal some of these initial discussions can get and then they never pick up the conversation again, at least not without prompting. Women use dating sites like an anonymous chat-room in this respect in which case the decision to "match" should in no way be interpreted as serious intent.

I'll give them my time at first just so they can sample what it's like to communicate with me, after which I expect them to prove they're interested in meeting otherwise I treat their silence as disinterest. I know in some of these cases I probably could have forced something to happen but I just think if her interest is weak and she needs that much poking and prodding it won't turn out well.

I think this is my way of dealing with YES/NO/MAYBE girls. The ones who are passive are maybe girls.

Pull or NEXT SET! Wash/rinse/Repeat!

You are not pulling an actual trad thot off tinder/bumble. If she shows up, likely a fatty or single mother seeing a atm and cuck to raise her bastard children. The most ironic factor of the fad is that, while a woman seeks the dopamine spike of matches or social media likes, the clock is ticking. She is pissing away her fertility and SMV.

Zero fucks will be given when she hits the fucking wall. New girls are turning 18 everyday!

Post: #252

I have had a strange situation on Bumble and I am wondering if anyone else has experienced it, as far as women giving out mixed signals.

I think it's fair to share this level of info without risking anonymity, but I live in the metro boston area and there is a woman who is an art teacher in cape cod, so the distance is a negative. Nevertheless, I matched her once and we exchanged a very short number of back and forths before she just went silent. I did not push the conversation and unmatched. But I have the subscription on Bumble where I can see their matches before I swipe. This has been the most fruitful method of matching for me as I rarely swipe right into a match. Of course, 9 out of 10 of the women who have swiped right don't pass the boner test, but she sneaks over the line otherwise I wouldn't waste my time.

So you can see where I'm going with this. She REMATCHED me. So I thought, OK, maybe she chose some other guy, got pumped and dumped and my ticket is finally up. So I match, and I get nothing but a single hi out of her before the conversation again grinds to a halt.

It feels...botlike, but she doesn't have a botlike profile or photo. She's just not that hot.

I'm left thinking that she's deranged in some way. I mean, how can she assume she can just match, flake, match, flake, each time seeming to have forgotten the conversation we once had? Does she expect me not to remember as well? This behavior strikes me as rude.

I know this is just an unusual anecodote but the larger issue is that out of all the profiles you see, there's a ton of "noise" in there where they look like real profiles but for whatever reason they're either bots, attention-whore time-wasters, flakes, or outright nutcases.

Post: #253

That's not really that strange. It's happened to me multiple times. Women have intense fear of online fucking apps, but can't restrain their horniness. She gets horny, sends you a message, then freaks out and stops responding.

(12-10-2017 11:25 PM)meetjoeblack Wrote:  I have 100x better success irl cold approach pickup then this nonsense of boosting women and their egos. A woman cannot photoshop or catfish you irl. I am not saying, don't swipe right. I am saying, the same way you would NEXT SET a woman for being a attention whore irl, you should on those apps online IMMEDIATELY. Like, if the girl does not give her # and hangout that week, she is lost in the abyss of soon to be cratered SMV and single mother victimhood.

#GOODRIDDANCE!

These online haters are hilarious. 100x better success? Really? You think you can save a hundred times as much time cold approaching women as the time it takes to swipe on 100 women?

Post: #254

(12-11-2017 02:11 AM)corsega Wrote:  That's not really that strange. It's happened to me multiple times. Women have intense fear of online fucking apps, but can't restrain their horniness. She gets horny, sends you a message, then freaks out and stops responding.

(12-10-2017 11:25 PM)meetjoeblack Wrote:  I have 100x better success irl cold approach pickup then this nonsense of boosting women and their egos. A woman cannot photoshop or catfish you irl. I am not saying, don't swipe right. I am saying, the same way you would NEXT SET a woman for being a attention whore irl, you should on those apps online IMMEDIATELY. Like, if the girl does not give her # and hangout that week, she is lost in the abyss of soon to be cratered SMV and single mother victimhood.

#GOODRIDDANCE!

These online haters are hilarious. 100x better success? Really? You think you can save a hundred times as much time cold approaching women as the time it takes to swipe on 100 women?

In the imaginary world in their head, yes.
That is the problem with this forum lately. We have posters speaking not from experience, but from some warped form of idealism made up in their own heads.

"Lets just ignore these dumb bitches! NEXT! I can cold approach on the street and win them with my in-person charm! Forget this online bullshit!"
And my favourite:
"Women don't even use these apps to meet guys! They only use these apps for validation and to get money e-transferred to their accounts!"

I'm going to give you guys a dose of reality: women are using these apps and they are talking to guys and they are meeting them and fucking them. It's just those guys don't happen to be you. Yes online dating and these apps can be tough if you are not the top X% of looks in your locale. It's a well-known fact at this point. But please, don't try and perform mental gymnastics to justify why online dating is so horrid and why all these dumb girls don't know what they are doing. This is the male hamster in full spin.

Post: #255

...While we are disposing myths, there seems to be a heavy bias against banging single moms and how they are out to empty your pockets or force you to raise their kids. True - single moms don't get a lot of rope especially seeing that this is her "opportunity" for a brief escape but once you get them out they are as freak as any other girl.

ATM for her offspring? That's NEVER been my experience, if nothing else after being responsible for a 5 year old day in and day out with 0 help, all she wants to do is get some fresh air. have a drink/smoke something & get poked.

Ask me to watch her kids? hell nah...call her ex/mom/sister/bf to come get the kids and slide to my crib? Yes

*By the way, I just deleted Bumble for the moment

Post: #256

It's not about whether single moms want to bang or not. They do, and of course they're sexually frustrated almost like a beta-male, and hence easy pickings. The problem is that if they have young kids they are going to be holding out hope of remarriage and providing a stepdad as a positive role-model for the kids. That ship has pretty much sailed by the time the kids are teenagers but I would still be hesitant about sticking it out too long with a single mom because I would not want to get roped into helping pay their way through college.

I've got one Bumble lead currently with a woman who has two young kids, 2.5 and 5, and I'm pretty much letting that lead wither on the vine because of the above concerns. Even if she didn't lay those expectations on me, single moms just have very limited free-time and no private spaces.

It's kind of like, if a tree falls in the forest and nobody's there, does it make a sound? In other words, if you go out with a single mom and there's no place to bang in private or she can never leave the kids, are you really dating? Hanging out at her place watching TV with the kids walking in and out of the living-room is not my idea of quality-time.

A lot of single women are wannabe daters who are incapable of follow-through. They just wind up wasting your time putting dates off and putting dates off or you wind up doing nothing but going out to dinner or a movie and have no place to bang besides the car in a dark alleyway. It gets old after a while.

Unfortunately a lot of single moms do not list their kid situation on Bumble and therefore it becomes this bombshell that goes off after the chat begins, which was the case with the above.

Post: #257

(12-11-2017 02:11 AM)corsega Wrote:  These online haters are hilarious. 100x better success? Really? You think you can save a hundred times as much time cold approaching women as the time it takes to swipe on 100 women?

This is a classy example of cowardice. Pickup forum but, needs a dating app. Do you even cold approach?

I repeat, I have a 100x better success rate cold approaching over swiping on a cuck app. Pickup in a bar, club, gym, coffee shop, IRL cold approach rather then getting cat fished and settling for low hanging fruit. Single moms or fatties and 6s. I pull better women IRL over this sort of fuckery yet, I am not suggesting guys shouldn't swipe. I am saying, guys should do both, and see which yields the better results. Cold approach I have better success with and spam cold approach as in, swipe right IRL versus passive dating like tinder/bumble.

Post: #258

(12-11-2017 02:43 AM)The_e_man Wrote:  I'm going to give you guys a dose of reality: women are using these apps and they are talking to guys and they are meeting them and fucking them.

cool story bro.

You mean to say, women when thin, young, and attractive have sex? Interesting.

Most of these girls are running through dudes yet, cucks are marrying them, are raising their babies, footing their bills, and boosting their egos despite getting ghosted.

If a woman is ghosting, not coming out, and its like pulling teeth OBV NEXT SET!

Then again, I shouldn't say NEXT SET because most guys are not past Approach anxiety. Beers on chest in bars and wall flower!

Post: #259

(12-11-2017 09:57 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  ...While we are disposing myths, there seems to be a heavy bias against banging single moms and how they are out to empty your pockets or force you to raise their kids. True - single moms don't get a lot of rope especially seeing that this is her "opportunity" for a brief escape but once you get them out they are as freak as any other girl.

ATM for her offspring? That's NEVER been my experience, if nothing else after being responsible for a 5 year old day in and day out with 0 help, all she wants to do is get some fresh air. have a drink/smoke something & get poked.

Ask me to watch her kids? hell nah...call her ex/mom/sister/bf to come get the kids and slide to my crib? Yes

*By the way, I just deleted Bumble for the moment

single moms and top form SMV do not exist.

Same woman when on top form wouldn't return your call. Same goes for women hitting the wall. You want top form SMV.

IMHO, I have never met that from these apps.

Planning my schedule around a woman with kids is not something I will do. Its also been socially conditioned and normalized that, men shouldn't judge 'sloot gonna sloot,' date single moms, and follow the beaten cuck fest of society.

You can do better then this. I am not saying don't pull. The same with tinder/bumble. Bumble IMHO is better given, if a woman is seeking ego boost with match, it fades after 24hrs. If she doesn't give number three days in, I unmatch. NEXT SET!

I've pulled girls early twenties. Several are college girls. I've seen their tinder. Many have hundreds of matches. Betas boost their ego and they squander their SMV running through the alphas. Betas then date single moms and squandered SMV.

Post: #260

(12-11-2017 02:05 PM)questor70 Wrote:  Unfortunately a lot of single moms do not list their kid situation on Bumble and therefore it becomes this bombshell that goes off after the chat begins, which was the case with the above.

Nice post.

The thing is that, the women when on top form are not giving betas the time a day. Then, a man reads about pickup thinks he has game pulling low hanging fruit and single moms. I am not interested in sex with any of the above. I rather go do cold approach.

I agree that, a lot of women wont list kids but, there are a series of bios that read, "Proud single mom," and cucks be out in full force looking to raise the alpha male's babies. Its pathetic and absolute cowardice.

The same for swiping and ebragging when not past approach anxiety. Who gives a fuck how a man pulls. I've never found quality on these apps. A lot of cat fish, a lot of single moms, cratered SMV, low hanging fruit, and crazy women.


The best part is hearing stories about cucks marrying 'sloot gonna sloot' when playboy stops calling. Woman who hit the wall. Woman who has been a cum dumpster and taking loads. Captain Save a hoe is going to marry her. No spine. Absolute pathetic but, he has an opinion on game.

Post: #261

There is a serious misunderstanding going.

Top form SMV is not a single mom PERIOD! it just isn't. Top form SMV is not nearly hitting the wall.

While I am not adverse to tinder or bumble, I would say 80% of my effort is cold approach, spamming it nonstop everywhere. Swipe right OBV but, it shouldn't be an excuse for approach anxiety and not approaching which seemingly is the case for most guys. Most so called puas and players. I've seen this shit at free tour. bragging about pickup, obsess, talk pickup yet, no application. No results. Of course, no pics either.

If you were to sift through Tinder/bumble, you typically find feminists, SJWs, single moms, bastard children from different men, fatties, 6s, pics from women back in their high school or freshman years of college. Lots of makeup. Lots of photoshop. 100pics taken. One good one posted to tinder. Liberal arts and women studies major. Prone to victimhood. 'NO FUCK BOYS' in bio yet, is skiing down cawk mountain, and trashing her SMV. Baby rabies thereafter.

Cucks be lining up to play homemaker. Its pathetic at best. Then again, if you want an omelet, you got to crack a few eggs.

Post: #262

You fellas are missing the point when with all this SMV talk, baby rabies or whatever the fuck...my comment was strictly referring to banging not dating

The fact remains when the club lets out at 3am and everyone is scurrying around to secure their bed mate for the night when/if you roll up on a "8" (by your standards) and she is piping hot & ready to leave to go to yours, raise your hand if you are interrogating her on if she has a kid at home or not?

Done

Post: #263

If we are just talking apps/online then there is a point to be made about super attractive women and which apps have them in abundance

IMHO Bumble (in my area) has more than it's fair share, but that didn't prevent me from deleting the app

No need to be calling folks cowards either, make your point and keep it moving

Sounds like this is turning into a crusade on online vs cold approach. I'm not here for that. Besides, nothing we haven't discussed ad naseum

As a matter of fact, nothing I haven't been doing since I was knee high to a butterfly circa 1984

Post: #264

(12-11-2017 03:49 PM)meetjoeblack Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 02:43 AM)The_e_man Wrote:  I'm going to give you guys a dose of reality: women are using these apps and they are talking to guys and they are meeting them and fucking them.

cool story bro.

You mean to say, women when thin, young, and attractive have sex? Interesting.

Most of these girls are running through dudes yet, cucks are marrying them, are raising their babies, footing their bills, and boosting their egos despite getting ghosted.

If a woman is ghosting, not coming out, and its like pulling teeth OBV NEXT SET!

Then again, I shouldn't say NEXT SET because most guys are not past Approach anxiety. Beers on chest in bars and wall flower!

We are talking about two different things here.
100% cold approaching takes much more balls and is something maybe only 0.1% of the male population is capable of doing without the help of alcohol. And any chump can swipe right on an app on their phone. Two different worlds.
This is a PUA form, we all agree with you that cold approaching is the gold standard when it comes to the level of skill, courage, intelligence, etc. required to pull.

What I'm trying to say is that women are not only using dating apps for validation and a free meal / instagram followers / e-transfer to their bank accounts. Yes, that is certainly an aspect of it. But we cannot be quick to forget that women are still swiping in search of their prince charming / chad thundercock (aka high SMV man) and they are fucking these guys with reckless abandon.
And to further address this point, my "chad thundercock" friends couldn't cold approach to save their own life, with the only exception being if they have had A LOT to drink. But that doesn't really matter to them, they have the girls doing all the work for them. Messaging them first on tinder / bumble, asking them when they are free and when they can hang out, etc. All these things that some members speak as gospel saying it's something women are incapable of doing.

They are passive entities that can be "vulnerable" to your game if you are low SMV. If you are high SMV (and it seems these day, at least, this means "good looking" or "cool / popular"), then these girls are not passive entities. They will actively seek you out and make initiative and effort to see you.

People need to realize this last point. Girls are nonchalant, dismissive, short, uninterested with low SMV men, not with everybody.

Post: #265

(12-11-2017 03:45 PM)meetjoeblack Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 02:11 AM)corsega Wrote:  These online haters are hilarious. 100x better success? Really? You think you can save a hundred times as much time cold approaching women as the time it takes to swipe on 100 women?

This is a classy example of cowardice. Pickup forum but, needs a dating app. Do you even cold approach?

I repeat, I have a 100x better success rate cold approaching over swiping on a cuck app. Pickup in a bar, club, gym, coffee shop, IRL cold approach rather then getting cat fished and settling for low hanging fruit. Single moms or fatties and 6s. I pull better women IRL over this sort of fuckery yet, I am not suggesting guys shouldn't swipe. I am saying, guys should do both, and see which yields the better results. Cold approach I have better success with and spam cold approach as in, swipe right IRL versus passive dating like tinder/bumble.

Dude. Fuck off with your rambling red pill rants. You're the personification of a guy who hasn't put in the work to be successful with online game, isn't getting laid from it, and is insecure about it.

Yes, I cold approach. 114 girls opened over the last year and a half. I track every single one. I've gotten four on a date, fucked one of them. I've gotten 30 numbers, most of the numbers have flaked. Walk down the street in San Francisco and tell me how many hot girls even go outside. I could walk downtown for HOURS (and I have) without seeing a single girl worth approaching.

Meanwhile, I've fucked 46 girls from online. Including a couple 7s and a 7.5 (which for me is an accomplishment, because I'm a 5). These girls don't leave their apartments. It's bed -> Uber -> class -> Uber -> order takeout -> bed. And they're on their phones constantly.

So no thanks, I'll stick to online.

Post: #266

Corsega, I read the first part of your response and thought: "144 approaches and only 1 bang in a year and a half? Oh boy, he's got some work to do"
Over a 2-3 year period I've slept with close to as many women as your approached.

But then I read the second part, 46 bangs from online in that time period is impressive. Clearly you are doing something right.
Time for me to check out your blog.

Post: #267

Yea I disagree with the single mom thing. You guys are leaving p00sy on the table, unless you're looking for a potential LTR then, of course, why in the hell would you be looking online for one anyway.
I will tutor little Johnnie in algebra long enough to get that ass from mom, then I'm ghost, lol. (I'm joking, well, sorta)

Post: #268

(12-11-2017 06:47 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  Corsega, I read the first part of your response and thought: "144 approaches and only 1 bang in a year and a half? Oh boy, he's got some work to do"
Over a 2-3 year period I've slept with close to as many women as your approached.

But then I read the second part, 46 bangs from online in that time period is impressive. Clearly you are doing something right.
Time for me to check out your blog.

I hate to say stuff like this because it sounds pompous, but: I have never met someone who is as knowledgeable about online game as me. That's why I get so frustrated when guys come in here talking about something they know next to nothing about.

Bumble, Tinder, Instagram, etc. every single app I have stretched to its limits, profiles completely optimized with data collected over months and months. Openers, swipe rates, algorithms tracked and analyzed. Some of the stuff I have done online to get laid is out of the box and unimaginable to a normal guy.

And I've had to resort to it because I'm an ugly guy living in San Francisco, the worst city in the world for women. Living in a hellhole like this molds you, eventually makes you a stronger person for when you ever leave.

Thanks for reading the blog. I have a bunch of unwritten drafts, and when I start to gain more of an audience I have a bunch of knowledge drops on different ways to optimize apps that I need to release, including a strategy for Bumble that I've never seen people talk about that is a huge timesaver.

Post: #269

TL;DR, but is there a link to said blog, I'm interested in reading more.

Post: #270

(12-12-2017 03:50 AM)corsega Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 06:47 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  Corsega, I read the first part of your response and thought: "144 approaches and only 1 bang in a year and a half? Oh boy, he's got some work to do"
Over a 2-3 year period I've slept with close to as many women as your approached.

But then I read the second part, 46 bangs from online in that time period is impressive. Clearly you are doing something right.
Time for me to check out your blog.

I hate to say stuff like this because it sounds pompous, but: I have never met someone who is as knowledgeable about online game as me. That's why I get so frustrated when guys come in here talking about something they know next to nothing about.

Bumble, Tinder, Instagram, etc. every single app I have stretched to its limits, profiles completely optimized with data collected over months and months. Openers, swipe rates, algorithms tracked and analyzed. Some of the stuff I have done online to get laid is out of the box and unimaginable to a normal guy.

And I've had to resort to it because I'm an ugly guy living in San Francisco, the worst city in the world for women. Living in a hellhole like this molds you, eventually makes you a stronger person for when you ever leave.

Thanks for reading the blog. I have a bunch of unwritten drafts, and when I start to gain more of an audience I have a bunch of knowledge drops on different ways to optimize apps that I need to release, including a strategy for Bumble that I've never seen people talk about that is a huge timesaver.

I think I've got you beat brotha but rather than a pissing contest, would love to learn your strategies and show you some of mine. Im sure it'll be time saved on both ends. Ill PM you

Post: #271

Bumble has been hoppin' the last couple weeks. Tons of matches and seemingly eager targets. Same thing happened a couple months ago when I got my first pro photo.
Enjoy cuffing season while it lasts.

Post: #272

(12-12-2017 11:34 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  TL;DR, but is there a link to said blog, I'm interested in reading more.

http://pancakemouse.wordpress.com/

I haven't updated as much as I've wanted to because this is just an idle pastime for me, but I have a bunch of unpublished drafts.

Post: #273

(12-11-2017 06:43 PM)corsega Wrote:  I've gotten 30 numbers, most of the numbers have flaked. .

No offense bud but, that is indicative of your game. Not shocked.

Post: #274

(12-11-2017 05:40 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  We are talking about two different things here.
100% cold approaching takes much more balls and is something maybe only 0.1% of the male population is capable of doing without the help of alcohol. And any chump can swipe right on an app on their phone. Two different worlds.
This is a PUA form, we all agree with you that cold approaching is the gold standard when it comes to the level of skill, courage, intelligence, etc. required to pull.

I don't dispute that fact. It still should not stop a man from approaching. I watched a man on GEAR/ROIDs run out of the bar most recently throwing a hissy fit. I've never seen such cowardice in my life. I've course, online, he would e brag about pulling on tinder. IRL - cannot approach. Quick to give his opinion or talk theory.

(12-11-2017 05:40 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  What I'm trying to say is that women are not only using dating apps for validation and a free meal / instagram followers / e-transfer to their bank accounts. Yes, that is certainly an aspect of it. But we cannot be quick to forget that women are still swiping in search of their prince charming / chad thundercock (aka high SMV man) and they are fucking these guys with reckless abandon.
And to further address this point, my "chad thundercock" friends couldn't cold approach to save their own life, with the only exception being if they have had A LOT to drink. But that doesn't really matter to them, they have the girls doing all the work for them. Messaging them first on tinder / bumble, asking them when they are free and when they can hang out, etc. All these things that some members speak as gospel saying it's something women are incapable of doing.

I am well aware. Women be skiing down cawk mountain. Be running through the bad boys from 16-30+ but, once playboy/alphas/bad boys stop blowing up their phone, its baby rabies +++ white picket fence +++ marriage time. Cucks be lining up. If this was fb or something more mainstream, white knights and betas be freaking out. Feminists be screaming misogyny and "i'm not like that." Meanwhile, she is cratered SMV. I am aware.

Again, not saying, don't swipe. I am saying hit both.

(12-11-2017 05:40 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  They are passive entities that can be "vulnerable" to your game if you are low SMV. If you are high SMV (and it seems these day, at least, this means "good looking" or "cool / popular"), then these girls are not passive entities. They will actively seek you out and make initiative and effort to see you.

People need to realize this last point. Girls are nonchalant, dismissive, short, uninterested with low SMV men, not with everybody.

One of my best friends is a model. He fucks everything. Many of the women are married, in LTRs, have a fiancé. The same girl who tells you, she is not like that is out having a gang bang with him +++ whoever he invites. He pulled a model. Started dating her. The sec she put on the minimalist amount of weight, playboy was in the club swinging his hammer again, pulling skanks. Dude is savage. He has never had a dry spell. He uses both online and IRL game. Knows nothing of cold approach or pickup.

Post: #275

(12-12-2017 02:17 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  Bumble has been hoppin' the last couple weeks. Tons of matches and seemingly eager targets. Same thing happened a couple months ago when I got my first pro photo.
Enjoy cuffing season while it lasts.

Bumble has been the best thing that has ever happened to me. Tons of matches daily, and they message first.

Moved to a major east coast metro and in the past year and a half I've probably been with 50+ girls I would say 75% off of bumble a, 3 - 5 off tinder, 3 - 5 off POF, 3 - 5 off CMB, 1 off of OKC, and 2 real life work bangs.

I did pay for bumble coins to try to pick up the hotter ones but it was 25 dollars that did not work and would not recommend it. With that said, with the amount of pussy I've been able to get off of bumble it was my way of saying thank you.