Post: #26

(12-09-2014 07:11 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:51 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:25 AM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:24 PM)MidWest Wrote:  Great thread. It seems like you guys are having a great time. I want to go, but people tell me its very dangerous especially for us mexicanos. Mexican people are hated with a passion down there and although I'm from the U.S. my Mexican Spanish accent gives it away. Still willing to go there and game me some Salvadorenas.

Good job guys. +1 from me.

Have any of the people who tell you how dangerous it is ever been there? I have. If you do what I said earlier in the thread, you should be fine.

Yeah I should know better as a person who gets bombarded with fear mongering on Mexican cartels from friends and family every time I go to Mexico. I go anyway regardless. The people who tell me are just Mexicans who have had experiences with Salvadorians in the U.S. There's like a big gripe between both countries, similar with the whole Japan and China thing.

I should go, and I have no idea why I haven't gone yet. Its not that more expensive than Mexico in terms of flying. I should give it a try next year and squeeze it in with my schedule.

I was pretty sure I knew the answer to my question, but was just looking for confirmation. It's funny how people who never visit a particular place often act like they are the world's foremost experts on that place. I deal with Salvadorans day in and day out and I don't know if I have ever heard any of them say anything negative about Mexico or Mexicans. I don't know how easy/cheap it is to get to El Salvador from Chicago, but it is cheap and convenient to get there from the D.C. area. It's one of the most popular international destinations and Taca runs many direct flights daily from Dulles to San Salvador. Everywhere I have been in Central American has been much easier than Mexico and has had equal or better talent. There's something that puts me at a huge disadvantage in Mexico that I for some reason am unable to figure out.

Interesting. I never knew there was a big Salvadoran community in DC, that explains the cheapness and convenience of the flights. I've only met one Salvadoran in my whole life in Chicago so I don't have much experience with them or their women. But there is a big gripe between them especially in LA. The Salvadorans probably won't say anything bad in public or openly but resentment is there which mostly stems from soccer, politics and border relations. The reason for the resentment is because Mexico kind of looks down on the Central American countries, enforces its border pretty good and openly portrays them in the media as uncivilized people with no culture. Mexico is seeing kind of as a bully and a father like country who keeps them on them on a leash in a way. Every time the Mexico soccer team plays El Salvador in San Salvador, the Mexican team and Mexican sports journalists need bodyguards because it gets really ugly as lynch mobs develop yelling "kill these Mexicans," and stuff like that. This is where I'm coming from. Its mostly from word of mouth and the Mexican media. No real experience. Its part of the reason why I'm hesitant to go, because I'm not sure how a proud Salvadoran dude would react if he finds out that a Mexican dude from the U.S. is smashing his women. In reality though, I think all of that is a wash. Thanks for confirming the safety of it. I'm an adventurer myself and have been to some "dangerous" places before.

Its weird you say that about Mexico. I tend to find it for the most part easy. It could be the cities people choose to go to as guys have also said that they find Mexico somewhat hard. To me Mexico City and Guadalajara, Playa del Carmen are too mainstream. Most of the guys on the forum go to those 3 places mainly. I like going deep into Mexico like Guanajuato, Zacatecas, Sinaloa, Queretaro, Aguascalientes and places like that. The attitudes of the girls in these places tend to be very different than attitudes from the girls in GDL and Mexico City. It could be that.

I'll definitely put San Salvador on my list. Seems like a chill country, will probably hit Honduras at the same time as well while I'm at it.

Post: #27

I don't think Mexico is hard, but I would say it definitely isn't a place to hammer out a bunch of notches. That being said, the rewards can be amazing and Mexicanas are some of the sweetest and most loyal girls I have ever met in Latin America.

I agree that Mexico has so much to offer outside of the main tourist beach places and DF/Guadalajara. Places like San Luis Postosi, Michoacan, Guanajuato, Chiapas, Sonora, ect. have amazing places in them and the gringo factor is infinitely much higher than more mainstream places. Most gringos never set foot in these places, which is fine with me at the end of the day I guess because it makes it better for when I visit.

Also wanted to say that I thoroughly enjoyed this thread and thanks to the (two) OPs that produced it. The only country I have visited in Central America is Costa Rica. I definitely want to change that somewhere down the line.

Post: #28

(12-09-2014 08:21 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 07:11 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:51 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:25 AM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:24 PM)MidWest Wrote:  Great thread. It seems like you guys are having a great time. I want to go, but people tell me its very dangerous especially for us mexicanos. Mexican people are hated with a passion down there and although I'm from the U.S. my Mexican Spanish accent gives it away. Still willing to go there and game me some Salvadorenas.

Good job guys. +1 from me.

Have any of the people who tell you how dangerous it is ever been there? I have. If you do what I said earlier in the thread, you should be fine.

Yeah I should know better as a person who gets bombarded with fear mongering on Mexican cartels from friends and family every time I go to Mexico. I go anyway regardless. The people who tell me are just Mexicans who have had experiences with Salvadorians in the U.S. There's like a big gripe between both countries, similar with the whole Japan and China thing.

I should go, and I have no idea why I haven't gone yet. Its not that more expensive than Mexico in terms of flying. I should give it a try next year and squeeze it in with my schedule.

I was pretty sure I knew the answer to my question, but was just looking for confirmation. It's funny how people who never visit a particular place often act like they are the world's foremost experts on that place. I deal with Salvadorans day in and day out and I don't know if I have ever heard any of them say anything negative about Mexico or Mexicans. I don't know how easy/cheap it is to get to El Salvador from Chicago, but it is cheap and convenient to get there from the D.C. area. It's one of the most popular international destinations and Taca runs many direct flights daily from Dulles to San Salvador. Everywhere I have been in Central American has been much easier than Mexico and has had equal or better talent. There's something that puts me at a huge disadvantage in Mexico that I for some reason am unable to figure out.

Interesting. I never knew there was a big Salvadoran community in DC, that explains the cheapness and convenience of the flights. I've only met one Salvadoran in my whole life in Chicago so I don't have much experience with them or their women. But there is a big gripe between them especially in LA. The Salvadorans probably won't say anything bad in public or openly but resentment is there which mostly stems from soccer, politics and border relations. The reason for the resentment is because Mexico kind of looks down on the Central American countries, enforces its border pretty good and openly portrays them in the media as uncivilized people with no culture. Mexico is seeing kind of as a bully and a father like country who keeps them on them on a leash in a way. Every time the Mexico soccer team plays El Salvador in San Salvador, the Mexican team and Mexican sports journalists need bodyguards because it gets really ugly as lynch mobs develop yelling "kill these Mexicans," and stuff like that. This is where I'm coming from. Its mostly from word of mouth and the Mexican media. No real experience. Its part of the reason why I'm hesitant to go, because I'm not sure how a proud Salvadoran dude would react if he finds out that a Mexican dude from the U.S. is smashing his women. In reality though, I think all of that is a wash. Thanks for confirming the safety of it. I'm an adventurer myself and have been to some "dangerous" places before.

Its weird you say that about Mexico. I tend to find it for the most part easy. It could be the cities people choose to go to as guys have also said that they find Mexico somewhat hard. To me Mexico City and Guadalajara, Playa del Carmen are too mainstream. Most of the guys on the forum go to those 3 places mainly. I like going deep into Mexico like Guanajuato, Zacatecas, Sinaloa, Queretaro, Aguascalientes and places like that. The attitudes of the girls in these places tend to be very different than attitudes from the girls in GDL and Mexico City. It could be that.

I'll definitely put San Salvador on my list. Seems like a chill country, will probably hit Honduras at the same time as well while I'm at it.

The D.C. area is full of Salvadorans. There is actually some debate as to whether the Salvadoran community is stronger in Los Angeles or in the D.C. area. In the D.C. area, most of them live in places outside D.C. like Langley Park, Wheaton, and Alexandria.

My last two notches were from Sinaloa and Aguascalientes, so that is pretty consistent with what you said. In Mexico, I have only been to Playa del Carmen, Guadalajara, and Acapulco, so that may be the reason for a lot of my struggles. I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I'll explain why I have trouble with people saying that Mexico is so easy and I realize that different people have different experiences. My rejection rate generally ranges from non-existent to low, even in places like Los Angeles, Miami, D.C., and Buenos Aires. Even when girls reject me, they are generally polite. I'm not a big approacher and that is probably my biggest flaw. That being said, I have done things like gone to a new city completely cold, talked to only two girls in a week, and had sex with both of them. That may very well be unique to me. The first time I went to Playa del Carmen, I spent nine days there, I approached constantly the whole time I was there, which was very uncharacteristic of me. I got rejected constantly, which is even more uncharacteristic. During the nine days, I had sex three times (all with the same girl) and had three other makeouts that did not lead to bangs. This is after over thirty years of speaking Spanish and visiting Latin America and constantly working on self improvement. That's not at all what I would call an easy place. In all fairness, because I approached so much early in that trip, I did have girls calling me to meet up and I had to turn them away to be with another girl.

Post: #29

(12-09-2014 09:44 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 08:21 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 07:11 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:51 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 03:25 AM)Merenguero Wrote:  Have any of the people who tell you how dangerous it is ever been there? I have. If you do what I said earlier in the thread, you should be fine.

Yeah I should know better as a person who gets bombarded with fear mongering on Mexican cartels from friends and family every time I go to Mexico. I go anyway regardless. The people who tell me are just Mexicans who have had experiences with Salvadorians in the U.S. There's like a big gripe between both countries, similar with the whole Japan and China thing.

I should go, and I have no idea why I haven't gone yet. Its not that more expensive than Mexico in terms of flying. I should give it a try next year and squeeze it in with my schedule.

I was pretty sure I knew the answer to my question, but was just looking for confirmation. It's funny how people who never visit a particular place often act like they are the world's foremost experts on that place. I deal with Salvadorans day in and day out and I don't know if I have ever heard any of them say anything negative about Mexico or Mexicans. I don't know how easy/cheap it is to get to El Salvador from Chicago, but it is cheap and convenient to get there from the D.C. area. It's one of the most popular international destinations and Taca runs many direct flights daily from Dulles to San Salvador. Everywhere I have been in Central American has been much easier than Mexico and has had equal or better talent. There's something that puts me at a huge disadvantage in Mexico that I for some reason am unable to figure out.

Interesting. I never knew there was a big Salvadoran community in DC, that explains the cheapness and convenience of the flights. I've only met one Salvadoran in my whole life in Chicago so I don't have much experience with them or their women. But there is a big gripe between them especially in LA. The Salvadorans probably won't say anything bad in public or openly but resentment is there which mostly stems from soccer, politics and border relations. The reason for the resentment is because Mexico kind of looks down on the Central American countries, enforces its border pretty good and openly portrays them in the media as uncivilized people with no culture. Mexico is seeing kind of as a bully and a father like country who keeps them on them on a leash in a way. Every time the Mexico soccer team plays El Salvador in San Salvador, the Mexican team and Mexican sports journalists need bodyguards because it gets really ugly as lynch mobs develop yelling "kill these Mexicans," and stuff like that. This is where I'm coming from. Its mostly from word of mouth and the Mexican media. No real experience. Its part of the reason why I'm hesitant to go, because I'm not sure how a proud Salvadoran dude would react if he finds out that a Mexican dude from the U.S. is smashing his women. In reality though, I think all of that is a wash. Thanks for confirming the safety of it. I'm an adventurer myself and have been to some "dangerous" places before.

Its weird you say that about Mexico. I tend to find it for the most part easy. It could be the cities people choose to go to as guys have also said that they find Mexico somewhat hard. To me Mexico City and Guadalajara, Playa del Carmen are too mainstream. Most of the guys on the forum go to those 3 places mainly. I like going deep into Mexico like Guanajuato, Zacatecas, Sinaloa, Queretaro, Aguascalientes and places like that. The attitudes of the girls in these places tend to be very different than attitudes from the girls in GDL and Mexico City. It could be that.

I'll definitely put San Salvador on my list. Seems like a chill country, will probably hit Honduras at the same time as well while I'm at it.

The D.C. area is full of Salvadorans. There is actually some debate as to whether the Salvadoran community is stronger in Los Angeles or in the D.C. area. In the D.C. area, most of them live in places outside D.C. like Langley Park, Wheaton, and Alexandria.

My last two notches were from Sinaloa and Aguascalientes, so that is pretty consistent with what you said. In Mexico, I have only been to Playa del Carmen, Guadalajara, and Acapulco, so that may be the reason for a lot of my struggles. I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I'll explain why I have trouble with people saying that Mexico is so easy and I realize that different people have different experiences. My rejection rate generally ranges from non-existent to low, even in places like Los Angeles, Miami, D.C., and Buenos Aires. Even when girls reject me, they are generally polite. I'm not a big approacher and that is probably my biggest flaw. That being said, I have done things like gone to a new city completely cold, talked to only two girls in a week, and had sex with both of them. That may very well be unique to me. The first time I went to Playa del Carmen, I spent nine days there, I approached constantly the whole time I was there, which was very uncharacteristic of me. I got rejected constantly, which is even more uncharacteristic. During the nine days, I had sex three times (all with the same girl) and had three other makeouts that did not lead to bangs. This is after over thirty years of speaking Spanish and visiting Latin America and constantly working on self improvement. That's not at all what I would call an easy place. In all fairness, because I approached so much early in that trip, I did have girls calling me to meet up and I had to turn them away to be with another girl.

Yeah, I remember you telling me something similar about this in another thread. Do you get these same results with Mexican or Mexican American girls in say Vegas or LA? Its funny because my main problem is indirect game, I suck at it. I'm not very good at rambling. So to make up for it I approach like a mad man going direct on these conservative Mexican girls outside those 3 cities. I get rejected like crazy but I also get lots of cooperation with a lot of giggling and blushing. My indirect game needs working. You've made me feel better though about going to other countries and trying this out since you said that you have better cooperation in Central America and Colombia. I guess when I say that Mexico is "easy" it means that yes I get laid but at the cost of many approaches and rejections. I guess we have a different perspective on what "easy" is. It sucks that Mexico was like that for you. If you ever go back there again in the future try some of the cities outside the mainstream and see how it goes.

Post: #30

This is a great thread. Sorry to hear about getting jumped. That's terrible. That's probably my greatest fear with traveling to the third world(heck, even developing countries).

Post: #31

Final Trip Recap

Fellas, as you may have already gathered, our Siege of San Salvador was largely a success. MP and I were very impressed by the overall quality of women here; they may very well be the hottest of Central America.

My 7-day scorecard is as follows:

Style of game: Initially passive with heavy reliance on the foreigner card (intentionally emphasized my foreign accent at night); lightning-quick escalation upon IOIs.
Notches: 4 (2 Tinder dates, 2 Night game). 5-7's , very curvy, and insatiable.
Expenses: 660 USD (260 - hotel; 140 - food/coffee; 90 - clubbing; 65 - Airport transfers and taxis; 55 - dates; 50 - misc)
Best spot for day game: House of Coffee (Plaza Futura) - outdoor seating by the public restrooms
Best spot to pre-game: Zanzibar (Zona Rosa) - great place to chat up locals, 750ml bottles from 30 USD (with mixers)
Best spot for night game: Los Alambiques (Multiplaza) - lock down a spot at the indoor bar, 750ml bottles from 40 USD (with mixers)
Best spot to meet elite girls: Circo, optimal with an established social circle/local rep, 8's-9's are plentiful, 750ml bottles from 55 USD

Top 5 Tips for your San Salvador visit:

1) Just in case you missed it: do not walk around after nightfall. Never go into any "public" park or basketball court. PM me for a reliable, 24hr taxi service.
2) Make friends as soon as you get on the ground. Not only will you save money on taxis, but more crucially, you will have the makings of a social circle.
3) Dress sharp: fitted and ironed (credit, Merenguero) dress shirt + well-fitting jeans and leather shoes are recommended at all times (dates, day game, night game).
4) Have a photo ID at all times: absolutely required when paying with a credit card, helpful when entering the club.
5) Capitalize on business opportunities: I identified some severely underserved local markets, particularly in the tourism and tech sectors. Salvadorians, in my experience, are reliable, no BS workers whom are always eager to help implement projects. Connect the dots.

And don't forget: when things go awry, charge it to the game!

Post: #32

(12-10-2014 04:54 AM)Papi Rico Wrote:  Final Trip Recap

Fellas, as you may have already gathered, our Siege of San Salvador was largely a success. MP and I were very impressed by the overall quality of women here; they may very well be the hottest of Central America.

My 7-day scorecard is as follows:

Style of game: Initially passive with heavy reliance on the foreigner card (intentionally emphasized my foreign accent at night); lightning-quick escalation upon IOIs.
Notches: 4 (2 Tinder dates, 2 Night game). 5-7's , very curvy, and insatiable.
Expenses: 660 USD (260 - hotel; 140 - food/coffee; 90 - clubbing; 65 - Airport transfers and taxis; 55 - dates; 50 - misc)
Best spot for day game: House of Coffee (Plaza Futura) - outdoor seating by the public restrooms
Best spot to pre-game: Zanzibar (Zona Rosa) - great place to chat up locals, 750ml bottles from 30 USD (with mixers)
Best spot for night game: Los Alambiques (Multiplaza) - lock down a spot at the indoor bar, 750ml bottles from 40 USD (with mixers)
Best spot to meet elite girls: Circo, optimal with an established social circle/local rep, 8's-9's are plentiful, 750ml bottles from 55 USD

Top 5 Tips for your San Salvador visit:

1) Just in case you missed it: do not walk around after nightfall. Never go into any "public" park or basketball court. PM me for a reliable, 24hr taxi service.
2) Make friends as soon as you get on the ground. Not only will you save money on taxis, but more crucially, you will have the makings of a social circle.
3) Dress sharp: fitted and ironed (credit, Merenguero) dress shirt + well-fitting jeans and leather shoes are recommended at all times (dates, day game, night game).
4) Have a photo ID at all times: absolutely required when paying with a credit card, helpful when entering the club.
5) Capitalize on business opportunities: I identified some severely underserved local markets, particularly in the tourism and tech sectors. Salvadorians, in my experience, are reliable, no BS workers whom are always eager to help implement projects. Connect the dots.

And don't forget: when things go awry, charge it to the game!

I co-sign everything Papi Rico has said here. The talent in Circo was stunning, but it was not a pick up spot per se. Large groups with bottle, no dancing, etc. The staple of your nightgame diet in San Salvador should revolve around Los Almabiques. It's set up perfectly to dance, drink, and swoop.

And after traveling around Central America for the past 4 months or so, I do believe San Salvador may have the hottest women in the region. While Ticas typically get the consensus vote as hottest women in Central America, I may be of the opinion that Salvadorian women are hotter. If you stick to the upper class areas you will see a number of stunners. This combined with the fact the El Salvador does not get a ton of tourists and Ticas have developed an Americanized diet nods things in El Salvador's favor. Due to the low number of tourists, I see no way you don't touch high quality women if you invested a month stay in San Salvador.

I spent a little less than 72 hour in San Salvador. I grabbed two notches (five /six) and made out with 5 total chicks. One chick I made out with was an elite "8" type girl and I think I would have closed her given another week in town (she sent nudes on the ride home ha).

Overall, it was a great time and good to meet Papi Rico. Dude has his shit together and definitely spits some game.

El Tunco...

A number of locals head to this surf town on the weekend to party. If I come back to Salvador, I plan to invest some time there as well. The party is supposed to be great on the weekend combining upper class Salvadorians and the backpacking surfer crowd.

Post: #33

This is a highly excellent series of posts. Thanks for your innovative contributions, gentlemen. However, I will contribute my $0.02. I feel that the food in San Salvador is quite blah, and there isn't a lot of variety. Chain restaurants are fucking everywhere. One Thursday evening I was told I had to wait for 25 minutes to get into a DENNY'S restaurant for dinner in Zona Rosa! WTF. I ended up getting a meal at McDonald's which isn't something I'm proud to admit. Additionally, eating pupusas every day gets old pretty quickly, even if they are goddamned delicious at first. In all, it gets a big miss on the food front from me, and this is after exploring the entire city: centro, metrocentro, multiplaza, plaza futura, and surrounds.

I would say that on a whole - in my opinion - San Salvador is a pretty ugly city with not a lot to offer to a typical tourist. It seemed to me that most "tourists" here are only on a one day stopover. Most people are just passing through from what I can tell to go to other places (countries) or to El Tunco or El Cuco. The ladies do seem to be more varied in looks in comparison with other cities I've been to in Central America, however there are still a TON of fatties during the day. There are definitely some sexy, thin, and cute ladies at night, but overall I wasn't impressed that much (limited sample size), even when compared with Guatemala, which doesn't really shine with it's women.

I visited Los Alambiques on a Friday and a Saturday (once during Saturday of Semana Santa which was a massive bust) in the Multiplaza complex, and the english proficiency is not great at all from my limited sample size. I had to speak spanish to nearly everyone I met here, with a few exceptions. There are a lot of people I originally thought were gringos that were actually locals, strangely enough, who spoke no english whatsoever. Example: red or blonde-haired people who I would approach in english looked at me with complete confusion. Then I had to re-engage in spanish. Definitely a lot of spanish/european blood mixes here. Take note I was here for around 9 days, 4 days of which was during the tail end of Semana Santa, meaning the city is basically dead. So, my timing was definitely poor.

That being said, this is not a place or country I would return to. Even if there are a few hot women about in the evenings. I strongly applaud your evident successes here, but I feel that so far, Guatemala and Nicaragua have a lot more to offer in terms of my travel values, which include good value for your money (lodging specifically), tasty food (although it can be cheap if you skip the chains), great sightseeing, and fun cute women with good personalities.

Post: #34

Thread bump: I came across this excellent article about a recent crime wave hitting San Salvador, apparently the gangs' truce was broken and they've all gone nuts over turf and offing each other like crazy, very interesting read. This isn't intended to fear monger but like any of you who travel to hot spots know, things can change quickly: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/worl...e26054872/

Post: #35

I'm brand new to the Forum and I'm Salvadorean so this Topic is very interesting to me. The Article scotian posted is very true and at the same time very sad for us Salvadoreans. Personally I havent been back to El Salvador in 15 Years and I really have absolutely no interest either. Its very dangerous and right now they have some really Stupid stuff going on that my family and friends have told me. One thing is any Woman with Blonde Hair the Mareros will kill, this same shit is happening in Honduras as well. Also in El Salvador there is a "Ley Anti-Mara" that forbids anyone showing Tatoos even if they arent Gang Related it doesnt matter. The Media really makes it alot worse then it is but still with so many other better options out there I would say why even bother? My point is be extremely careful when traveling to El Salvador and Honduras, these are extreme gang countries and La Mara Salvatrucha is the most violent and dangerous in the world. So much so that they have made it to where my family and I would just prefer to stay away. Stay Safe Guys

Post: #36

I am in San Salvador. Didn’t get a chance to go out at night yet. Walking around the historic center and the Multiplaza mall, the honey has been lacking. Maybe the night options will be better.

For the gringos out there: a decent bit of English is spoken here. The US dollar is even the currency here.

Post: #37

Y'all guys be careful out there, it ain't the safest place and I personally know people whose relatives have been shot down there.

Nevertheless, it's an awesome place to be - just don't pull too many stupid gringo moves.

Check out "El Tunco" while you are there, the place has got some pretty relaxed vibes to it, is pretty safe in general and lots of girls (even richer ones) go down there to have a party, especially on weekends. The parties themselves are actually pretty much worth the trip.

Best rent a car and then drive to El Tunco, public transport isn't a safe option in El Salvador.

Best of luck!

Post: #38

The city certainly looks like some of the lower level strata in Medellin. Still, I think common sendsense goes a long way here.

I’ll check El Tunco.

Post: #39

Here's a quick update from the 3 night I went out in San Salvador:

Los Alambiques

Los Alambiques is now under a different name but occupies the same location on the second floor of Multiplaza. I went there and it seemed like it would be a solid option on a different night but there were not so many available girls when I was there. It was a Friday night though and pretty packed. No cover charge. A beer was $3.50.

Chafa Gastrobar

Holy shit. This place was fucking LOADED with hotties. I went on the same night after deciding to leave Multiplaza. I mean, this place blew me away. The only problem was very little English. It's dead on week nights but definitely check it out on a Friday night.

Club La Playa

This is a small place but has a good vibe. I went on a weeknight twice. Once it was kind of empty but the second time it was a great ratio and good balance of people. The music is insanely loud here which is annoying but it's a good spot, and right around the corner from Chafa.