Post: #26

Yeah I'm curious about how close they keep things with the books (which were well done) or if they just disregard that completely.

It would be fun to see Mara Jade, Jacen, Jaina, etc. on the big screen.

Post: #27

(11-29-2014 07:36 AM)Aros Wrote:  I light saber could just cut right through at the base of the grib, I can't see how the guard have a practical. The vikings had it right the first time around, guards just get in the way of fighting.

. . .It's obvious that you have never learned any type of sword fighting arts - I took up fencing for 3 years in college, which included the french foil (the small malleable sword you see when everyone tries to portray it in media)the Saber, and Spanish Rapier and Dagger(dual wielding style).

The guard its Pretty damn important(not important as footwork but still), ESPECIALLY in Spanish Rapier and dagger. Also, if you're really good you can use the guard to disarm your opponents.

I wish people on this site would stop talking out of their ass so much when they have no idea wtf they're talking about, seriously.

Post: #28

(11-28-2014 11:37 PM)Soothesayer Wrote:  From the voiceover and lightsaber, it looks like Darth Maul is back.

Also... black stormtroopers? Er, what?

PASS.

Ha...Really.. You aren't gonna watch the movie cause there is a black storm trooper..and you think a lightsaber is stupid.

Bruh.

Are you kidding me

Post: #29

(11-29-2014 07:26 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:37 PM)Soothesayer Wrote:  From the voiceover and lightsaber, it looks like Darth Maul is back.

Also... black stormtroopers? Er, what?

PASS.

Ha...Really.. You aren't gonna watch the movie cause there is a black storm trooper..and you think a lightsaber is stupid.

Bruh.

Are you kidding me

Damn right, storm toopers are maori not black! Cultural Marxism I tell ya!



Hoping this movie will be good. Ideally it won't be 'soul-less' like the last few X-men flicks and Guardians of the Galaxy.

Post: #30

(11-29-2014 07:41 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  Hoping this movie will be good. Ideally it won't be 'soul-less' like the last few X-men flicks and Guardians of the Galaxy.

The last 2 X-Men movies (the rebooted ones) and GOTG have been critically acclaimed more than any of the Star Wars prequels, let alone movies in their own category like the let downs of X-Men 3, Iron Man 3, and Spider-Man 3.

I'm not sure what your basis of comparison is for "soul-less" unless you're referring to the original Star Wars that started in the 70's?

Surely you don't want more Jar Jar Binks type silliness.

Post: #31

(11-29-2014 05:50 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 07:36 AM)Aros Wrote:  I light saber could just cut right through at the base of the grib, I can't see how the guard have a practical. The vikings had it right the first time around, guards just get in the way of fighting.

. . .It's obvious that you have never learned any type of sword fighting arts - I took up fencing for 3 years in college, which included the french foil (the small malleable sword you see when everyone tries to portray it in media)the Saber, and Spanish Rapier and Dagger(dual wielding style).

I agree that guard/hilt is important, but wouldn't a lightsaber just cut through the metal part that connects everything?



That could be pretty easily explained though.

Also I get the feeling that black guy isn't a stormtrooper. I think it's a disguise. Definitely a weird way to start a trailer though.

Post: #32

I have no problem with a black stormtrooper, whether that guy is supposed to be one for real or not. The Empire is supposed to be humanocentric, but I doubt they give much thought to whether or not their humans are the correct color.

Post: #33

I am fine with a black stormtrooper.


We need more movie villains of color.

Post: #34

I'll be walking into the theater with a woody when I see this. Can't wait. Hopefully the dumb little droid thing isn't going to be the new Jar Jar.

Post: #35

(11-29-2014 05:50 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  . . .It's obvious that you have never learned any type of sword fighting arts - I took up fencing for 3 years in college, which included the french foil (the small malleable sword you see when everyone tries to portray it in media)the Saber, and Spanish Rapier and Dagger(dual wielding style).

The guard its Pretty damn important(not important as footwork but still), ESPECIALLY in Spanish Rapier and dagger. Also, if you're really good you can use the guard to disarm your opponents.

I wish people on this site would stop talking out of their ass so much when they have no idea wtf they're talking about, seriously.

It would be worth mentioning that the viking shields is a major part of the fighting style. Let's be honest here for a sec, you don't know what I know and don't know, you assume, based on a post about a light saber. Here is why viking swords don't have guards: http://youtu.be/dkhpqAGdZPc?t=20m24s

And here is the teaser remastered by George Lucas

Post: #36

(11-29-2014 07:26 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:37 PM)Soothesayer Wrote:  From the voiceover and lightsaber, it looks like Darth Maul is back.

Also... black stormtroopers? Er, what?

PASS.

Ha...Really.. You aren't gonna watch the movie cause there is a black storm trooper..and you think a lightsaber is stupid.

Bruh.

Are you kidding me

Post: #37

Here's a clip of Darth Vader running some game

Post: #38

I'm not sure if he is a storm trooper, since they would have been disbanded after Return of Jedi. They were the emperors army.

Post: #39

(11-30-2014 09:41 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  Here's a clip of Darth Vader running some game

Lmao, that was hilarious. Vader's so beta, he turned to the Dark Side for his wife. My only takeaway from the first 6 Episodes was that simping will ruin the entire galaxy.

Every Jedi's date ends in a bang thanks to the Jedi Mind Trick, that why Obi Wan never became a Sith

Post: #40

(11-29-2014 10:54 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 07:41 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  Hoping this movie will be good. Ideally it won't be 'soul-less' like the last few X-men flicks and Guardians of the Galaxy.

The last 2 X-Men movies (the rebooted ones) and GOTG have been critically acclaimed more than any of the Star Wars prequels, let alone movies in their own category like the let downs of X-Men 3, Iron Man 3, and Spider-Man 3.

I'm not sure what your basis of comparison is for "soul-less" unless you're referring to the original Star Wars that started in the 70's?

Surely you don't want more Jar Jar Binks type silliness.

The last few Xmen flicks and Gotg were good popcorn flicks, decent acting, etc. But there was no substance or plot twists, they were entertaining but predictable. A tried and tested Hollywood success formula for big budget hero flicks.

On the other hand the newest 3 Star Wars films were...well quite frankly jut not good in any way.

Post: #41

It's rather misinformed to say "omfg black stormtroopers !?"

Without knowing the history:

Jango was the OG that created the clone armies. As the years passed (remember the clone wars was a lengthy one) the troopers died, they also aged TWICE as fast as humans.

The remnants of these clones made up the 501st legion which dwindled later past Episode 6.

There was more integration with the now Stormtroopers Corps which has human females and aliens. (Think post episode 6 aka Thrawn Series)

So yes it's quite possible that there are black stormtroopers, don't forget the most famous ethnic stormtrooper of all:

Post: #42

(11-28-2014 03:58 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  I like J.J. Abrams but A) the trailer looks lame, basically doesn't show anything, and B) I'm still disappointed they didn't choose to film the series after the excellent Thrawn Trilogy by Timothy Zahn.

My thought's exactly. Those books were excellent and didn't rely simply on having the name Star Wars on the cover. They were well written books in their own right.

I imagine they decided against it due to the advanced age of the original actors.

Post: #43

(11-30-2014 12:32 PM)kbell Wrote:  

I always knew Jesus was a Jedi.

Post: #44

(11-30-2014 08:50 AM)Aros Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 05:50 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  . . .It's obvious that you have never learned any type of sword fighting arts - I took up fencing for 3 years in college, which included the french foil (the small malleable sword you see when everyone tries to portray it in media)the Saber, and Spanish Rapier and Dagger(dual wielding style).

The guard its Pretty damn important(not important as footwork but still), ESPECIALLY in Spanish Rapier and dagger. Also, if you're really good you can use the guard to disarm your opponents.

I wish people on this site would stop talking out of their ass so much when they have no idea wtf they're talking about, seriously.

It would be worth mentioning that the viking shields is a major part of the fighting style. Let's be honest here for a sec, you don't know what I know and don't know, you assume, based on a post about a light saber. Here is why viking swords don't have guards: http://youtu.be/dkhpqAGdZPc?t=20m24s

Can't access the video because at work, but I've been slowly looking through John Clements' self-published Medieval Swordsmanship - he seems reasonably credible on the subject, look him up via ARMA.

His basic take on quillons (or guards if you will) seems to be that they weren't primarily meant to protect the hand from incoming sword strikes. If you got into genuine, intent-to-kill blade combat with the longsword, your hand for the most part wasn't in any real danger of getting hit by virtue of its position throughout a swing - long swords were intended much more towards larger slicing or thrusting maneuvers, they weren't focused on trying to hit the hands as such. (This is not to say they weren't precision instruments or that Western medieval combat was not a real martial art - the historical research seems to suggest much otherwise.) In addition, sword-and-shield combinations were far more common than single-blade duels; the shield was the primary defensive device, not the sword itself.

What the long quillons did do for the most part was protect your hand from getting hit by a shield, mainly because the quillon was long enough that if someone did swing a shield at your hand or try to foul your blade against it, the shield's face would impact on the quillon's end and on the pommel of the sword, thus making a right-angle triangle with your hand safely inside it and untouched by the shield. (This is a bit hard to describe, but take a look at the picture above, draw an imaginary line between the lightsaber's hilt and the end of one of the quillons, and you get the idea...)

Guards changed, as did swords in general, as the medieval period passed on and the fashion changed to light blades, the ancient-ancient-ancient precursors to the highly stylised (and not representative of medieval sword combat) sport of fencing.

All of that, though, might well be irrelevant, because stage or screen combat bears little to no resemblance to medieval combat (or really any other form of life-or-death combat). Stage or screen is the art of illusion - the art of making it look like it's lethal combat when in fact the actors have usually been extensively drilled so it's actually pretty safe. I suspect the quillons are in there more for the "something that hasn't been seen before" value - far more than any real tactical or strategic significance.


...and I have to admit that shot of the Millennium Falcon upside down with John Williams' theme blasting away got the blood pumping again. It's not like they could get any worse than The Phantom Movie, Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes, er, Clones, and Revenge Of The Pith.

Post: #45

Is it just me or is the best bit that dark side dude.

The way he walks hunched over, uses his whole body dramatically to 'unsheathe' his light saber. Really gives an air of mystery. He really seems evil.

It would have been better without the over the top sabre. and just kept with a single rough looking 'blade'

Post: #46

As long as Lucas isnt involved a lot, it'll be good.

Post: #47

(11-29-2014 07:26 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:37 PM)Soothesayer Wrote:  From the voiceover and lightsaber, it looks like Darth Maul is back.

Also... black stormtroopers? Er, what?

PASS.

Ha...Really.. You aren't gonna watch the movie cause there is a black storm trooper..and you think a lightsaber is stupid.

Bruh.

Are you kidding me

I knew as soon as I saw the title that this would become a race thread, and I wasn't disappointed.

Post: #48

(12-01-2014 11:29 PM)DChambers Wrote:  I imagine they decided against it due to the advanced age of the original actors.

Post Wall Carrier Fisher is pretty horrific. If you inserted her in beside Jabba the Hut i'm not sure which would be which now. She's the old school lesson in what being a hollywood party girl does.

Post: #49

(11-30-2014 12:32 PM)kbell Wrote:  

I'm not sure if he is a storm trooper, since they would have been disbanded after Return of Jedi. They were the emperors army.

He might not be a real stormtroopers, however they were not disbanded. In the official cannon and in the books the Empire survives and continues to fight against the New Republic.

Post: #50

(12-02-2014 01:21 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 08:50 AM)Aros Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 05:50 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  . . .It's obvious that you have never learned any type of sword fighting arts - I took up fencing for 3 years in college, which included the french foil (the small malleable sword you see when everyone tries to portray it in media)the Saber, and Spanish Rapier and Dagger(dual wielding style).

The guard its Pretty damn important(not important as footwork but still), ESPECIALLY in Spanish Rapier and dagger. Also, if you're really good you can use the guard to disarm your opponents.

I wish people on this site would stop talking out of their ass so much when they have no idea wtf they're talking about, seriously.

It would be worth mentioning that the viking shields is a major part of the fighting style. Let's be honest here for a sec, you don't know what I know and don't know, you assume, based on a post about a light saber. Here is why viking swords don't have guards: http://youtu.be/dkhpqAGdZPc?t=20m24s

Can't access the video because at work, but I've been slowly looking through John Clements' self-published Medieval Swordsmanship - he seems reasonably credible on the subject, look him up via ARMA.

His basic take on quillons (or guards if you will) seems to be that they weren't primarily meant to protect the hand from incoming sword strikes. If you got into genuine, intent-to-kill blade combat with the longsword, your hand for the most part wasn't in any real danger of getting hit by virtue of its position throughout a swing - long swords were intended much more towards larger slicing or thrusting maneuvers, they weren't focused on trying to hit the hands as such. (This is not to say they weren't precision instruments or that Western medieval combat was not a real martial art - the historical research seems to suggest much otherwise.) In addition, sword-and-shield combinations were far more common than single-blade duels; the shield was the primary defensive device, not the sword itself.

What the long quillons did do for the most part was protect your hand from getting hit by a shield, mainly because the quillon was long enough that if someone did swing a shield at your hand or try to foul your blade against it, the shield's face would impact on the quillon's end and on the pommel of the sword, thus making a right-angle triangle with your hand safely inside it and untouched by the shield. (This is a bit hard to describe, but take a look at the picture above, draw an imaginary line between the lightsaber's hilt and the end of one of the quillons, and you get the idea...)

Guards changed, as did swords in general, as the medieval period passed on and the fashion changed to light blades, the ancient-ancient-ancient precursors to the highly stylised (and not representative of medieval sword combat) sport of fencing.

All of that, though, might well be irrelevant, because stage or screen combat bears little to no resemblance to medieval combat (or really any other form of life-or-death combat). Stage or screen is the art of illusion - the art of making it look like it's lethal combat when in fact the actors have usually been extensively drilled so it's actually pretty safe. I suspect the quillons are in there more for the "something that hasn't been seen before" value - far more than any real tactical or strategic significance.


...and I have to admit that shot of the Millennium Falcon upside down with John Williams' theme blasting away got the blood pumping again. It's not like they could get any worse than The Phantom Movie, Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes, er, Clones, and Revenge Of The Pith.

There are a lot of different fighting styles, some monks came up with holding the blade using the crossguard as a mace, or a hook.

But the vikings used mostly their swords in combination with a shield that had the radius a little longer than your forearm, while keeping your other hands behind the shield. Vikings also thought of the shield as a weapon, which confused a lot of opponents.