Post: #26

(11-19-2014 04:03 PM)Pride male Wrote:  I was reading Roosh's post My Biggest Game Fuckup and it got me thinking about the times that I screwed up a sure thing.

A girl invited me to her place to watch a movie on her laptop. The lights were off and we sat on her bed watching American X. Instead on physically escalating I chickened out and blurted, 'Can I stay over for the night?' She immediately kicked me out.

That's just my biggest flop, but I have a two volumes of stories where I did a Fernando Torres and missed an open goal. Sometimes, you are your own cockblocker and game is also about what not to do. How have you guys missed clear opportunities that make you cringe?

Saying "can I stay over" actually worked for me 3 times and ironically I didn't actually want to have sex, I actually wanted to sleep and was too drunk to drive home. All 3 times they said yes and I just crawled into their bed, ended up having sex, then went to sleep. In hindsight I believe it worked because my mind was on sleep and needing to work the next day and so there was not a hint of desperation, I probably came across like I was asking where the toilet was.

I've had a lot of failures but the more I live the more I'm of the belief that with a strong inner frame you can almost be successful with the most "lame" lines/questions/statements. The frame is what conveys ultimately though.

I've followed the "rules" before, said the "right" things and still had failures and conversely I've broken the "rules" said what people say I shouldn't say and had successes (and vice versa of course).

The stronger my frame gets the less important my outer game needs to be it seems and the less the "outer rules" seem to matter.

Post: #27

Fucking hot Norwegian I met in Zermatt in 2012, she had a tight dress and nice boobs...she paid me a shot and after that I went peeing and didn't see her again. Then I saw her again she came close to dance with me and my swiss buddies called me for more drinking ...this could have been the hottest girl i'd have in my life.

Post: #28

(11-19-2014 11:42 PM)Catch 22 Wrote:  #1...moving to DC

Haha, just about everyone who has gone to DC says they regret it.

Post: #29

I made a joke about clingy mothers and she cried. Her mom died like a month prior.

Not sure if that is a fuck up or salvation from a basketcase.
Easily the prettiest girl (it always is). Blonde, blue eyed, fairly petite.

Lots of these are blondes I notice

Post: #30

Forgetting to check my condom supply 1 month ago when bringing a Thai chick home. We escalated, took panties off, licked her, and she whispers the thing we all like to hear: "You have condoms?". I reach in my drawer: EMPTY.

I tell her to hang on and I'll go right at the 7-11 across the street to get some. She says I should have thought about it before and she left. I ended up blueballed.

I tried to see her 2 days after, and she was "busy with work, I'll let you know when I have time".

Next.

Post: #31

Met this chick and everything was going good, strong kino etc. but she had to meet with her friend (chick) for dinner but talked about meeting up after. So later that night I end up texting her and she's talking like "come meet at this club" etc.

It's too far out of the way for me (like 30min) and I figure she's coming back here anyway and we're kind of flirting through text, radio silence for a bit and then finally about 2 hours later she's like meet me at McDonalds, which is like a 2 minute walk from where we were both staying (hostel) The text you can barely understand so I'm excited and thinking she is drunk and ready to fuck.

I pretty much jog to the place and run in there, and this guy from the hostel is like "HEY! what's going on?", I'm like hey, but kind of avoid him cause I'm there to meet this chick. Look for her inside and don't see her and then I finally just decide to phone her, This fucking guy that barely speaks English picks up..... it's the GUY from the hostel I've been texting all this time. I put a few numbers in my phone that day and got them mixed up.

So I fucked up cause the chick seemed ready to bang earlier but I hadn't messaged her all night, I run back to the street the hostel is on and there's a bunch of people hanging outside so I figure I'll kill time and talk to these chicks for a bit, I finally notice her from a distance (but she didn't see me) and she went inside. So I think perfect I'll hit on her back in the room and bang her out, I get there before her cause I guess she went to the bathroom or something and I'm just sitting against my bed (pretty drunk) and her bed is above mine. We talk and she changes out of her dress and I watch her even though she pretends like I'm not allowed to. She finishes up and I'm about to make a move on her when a bunch of heads pop up from the beds around, It freaked me out cause I thought the room was empty. I jumped so much that I almost banged my head off the bed frame.

cock block initiated

It kind of freaked her out and then she just wanted to go to sleep. She left the next morning

Bothers me to this day cause her body was a 10, perfect legs, nice tits, tight chest with a good face.

Post: #32

Buddy and I were dancing with 2 Koreans I opened outside the club. The girls in the club were mostly accounted for and the ones that weren't were not very attractive. It was only 1230, I told myself that I would see them again later and went to the dance floor. My buddy tells me he sees them leave and I tell him that they'll be back. They never came back. I got some action that night with an Italian girl but in hindsight I should have stayed with the Koreans. Ah well

Post: #33

I met two international student girls last week.
One polish from a town near krakow and one from Sicily. Both were sexy as fuck, the Polish girl was into me.
Then two more friends came.
All the guys I thought were with me went off to the bathroom..............

I let this girl and get friends go.. Without getting her number

Post: #34

Well, the level of fuckups I think are congruent with game proficiency. So tough to assess what the "biggest" fuckup is.

What I mean is the biggest fuckup as a beginner can be less of a big deal when you're experienced. In the same vein, some of the fuckups you commit as a beginner can cost you huge as an experienced player.

I'll provide some basic examples. As a newbie, you want to approach more and not worry about signals/observations. Even if a girl isn't open (for example walking a bit fast), a newbie should still open as much as possible because it breaks the anxiety levels faster given her bitch shield or higher blowout expectations. Same with 2 sets. Just talk to them. Experienced players, however may avoid these situations altogether since the return on their investment may be lower with these scenarios.

On the other hand, a newbie may not open a girl in a crowded place even though he may if she was alone. It costs them a bit less because they're doing the approaches to get the practice. However, an experienced player not opening in this situation given any other buying signals he can obviously read can cost him a high quality bang.

By this token, although not my biggest fuckup, one that possibly cost me a bang is below.

Had my phone on silent because I was technically challenged. Girl opened me. I was dressed to the nines of course, pocket square included. We exchanged numbers. She called me for a date right after her shift and I didn't pick up.

When i called back an hour later she was already on a bus to go home much further away.

Post: #35

My biggest fuck up has its own thread, nearly missed a model who IOI'd me. I've moved on but would kick me in the face if I missed such an opportunity again.
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Post: #36

My biggest game fuck ups have all come from being too cautious and too concerned about potential negatives instead of just being willing to take the risk of rejection.

This is true both for the very beginning, but also even later on in relationships. Some really sexy girls who wanted me to call them ended up blowing me off because they waited for me to make a move and I was too slow (like I'd wait two weeks to see if she'd contact me first).

Post: #37

Daygamed a chick in a city about 30 minutes away from me, got her number, and met her out a few days later for drinks.

During the date it turned out that she also lived in a different city, about 30 minutes from the current city we were in (met her in the city we originally met in). So I was thinking how to get her back to my place or go back to hers when we both lived far away, and was concerned that if I tried to invite her back she would have second thoughts.

We started making out at the second venue and she looked like she had a super tight body and I rubbed repeatedly to confirm.

So we start walking to our cars and it turned out we had both parked in the same parking complex.

We went into the complex and started making out again and in my mind I was thinking that this was a sure thing; I was certain the next time we went out I'd meet her at her place or she could meet at mine and it would be smooth sailing. So we left and I texted her the next day. A bullshit two word response and then radio silence.

In retrospect I should have gone for the bang that same night, told her to get in my car and driven to my place or even tried to fuck her in my car. Or asked her for a ride because my car was out of gas, or literally anything else than what I did.

I still regret it, two years later. The rabid wolf mentality seals the deal, not hesitation.

Post: #38

^ Always Go For The Bang.

Post: #39

Was one specific case 2 years ago. This girl I thought was super hot at the time.

- We meet up on beach and end up back at her place

- Start making out when I stop the escalation because I wanted to leave as a "gentleman". Fuck what an idiot.

- That in itself didnt fuck me over. She texted me days later asking to hang out.

- Long story short, I went completely out of my way in order to meet with her

- She sensed the needy beta behavior and I got nothing out of the second meet other than an awkward hang out in the day time.

The experience really confused me as I thought she was into me. I realized my game needed serious work. It was this that led me to reading Bang and eventually leading me to this forum.

Everything happens for a reason.

Post: #40

one that stands out:

7.5/10 approaches me at a bar.

Beautiful thick dark brown hair with hints of red.

Talking about all sorts - she drag races/mods cars, into guns, culturally aware, very intelligent.

Sees life than more than a career, feels she has a mission/purpose.

I'm thinking this is my female counterpart. She's asking me the questions I usually ask girls when I'm teasing them.

Definitely DTF. My pride got in the way, concluded to myself that she's annoying me, and brushed her off.

Changed my mind later that night, but was too late - nowhere to be found.

Typing this I thought might search for her on fb (remember her name). Found her. Will message and see where it goes.

Post: #41

To many fuck ups to even begin naming. Even when girls approached or did all the work, I failed at escalating most of the time due to a conservative approach towards sex (blame my bringing up). So many missed opportunities in my teens and early 20's.

As recently as last month I had a girl 100% into me, constantly complimenting me, telling me "I'm too good to be true" and I still never got the bang, probably due to laziness than anything else. She has stopped texting me since.

The only place I truly feel comfortable escalating with a girl is in a bar/club setting where it comes natural.

Post: #42

Had a Tinder girl drive a half hour to meet me at my hotel... I fell asleep drunk as shit with her lost looking for my room

My dick has failed me a million times

Played the nice card with one girl and bought her gifts. She says Im very nice. No bang.

My biggest fuck up has been not keeping my shit on the dl and having new girls not want to bang

Post: #43

(11-21-2014 12:28 AM)iamdegaussed Wrote:  hottest girl I would've ever pulled, tall blonde with massive rack. After a night out drinking we're in my friends' bed and I just missed so many signals like earlier she goes "Not having sex with you tonight" and she gets changed out of her bra with me watching. I was too petrified, didn't push for the bang and just slept next to her. I beat myself up over that for like three weeks, but you move on.

Most of these stories made me laugh, but this one hit me like a sack of bricks. That's really rough.

Post: #44

Funny, Im doing a qualitative research project for my firm and just ran the content of this thread through our analysis app.

Turns out, roughly 76% of all these stories had to do with not pushing enough/not escalating enough/not approaching. Basically we all fuck up by NOT doing something rather than doing something and have it turned out wrong.

Just goes to prove the basic principle of game: its always better to do something and fuck up (which actually is quite rare that you fuck up) rather than NOT doing something and later biting off your own dick in regret. Audentes Fortuna Iuvat.

Post: #45

I probably missed a threesome.

In Moscow, I am bringing two girls back probably both 18, my target and her friend. The friend is pretty ugly but sits on the end of the bed when we get to th room. Drunk as I am I go up to the ugly girl, pick her up and tuck her into one of the spare beds in the room.

The hottie seems to find this funny. I jump back into bed with her and begin fingering. The ugly girl comes again and sits on the end of the bed.
My senses did not tingle, I assume that she is trying to cock block, I continued to joke to the girls trying to get ugly to go to bed.
I guess I probably could have fucked ugly.

After about 15 minutes, the door knocks and my friend comes in post-bang from another hotel. Ignores the girls and jumps into bed, mood is killed.
Laughing, the hottie even says to me "Where will we have sex?"
I think for about 10 seconds, forget all of the options that were available (shower, top bunk even) due to drink, and then say "We won't, it's time to sleep!"

My target who could speak far better English seemed to forget it in the morning. That was an awkward walk to the metro.

Post: #46

Reading IOIs is one of the most important game skills. You need a sixth sense to read a girl's mind. Once the escalation window passes, it's Game over.

Life would be much easier and game wouldnt exist if women were direct about what they want.

Post: #47

(05-06-2015 11:11 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Funny, Im doing a qualitative research project for my firm and just ran the content of this thread through our analysis app.

Turns out, roughly 76% of all these stories had to do with not pushing enough/not escalating enough/not approaching. Basically we all fuck up by NOT doing something rather than doing something and have it turned out wrong.

Just goes to prove the basic principle of game: its always better to do something and fuck up (which actually is quite rare that you fuck up) rather than NOT doing something and later biting off your own dick in regret. Audentes Fortuna Iuvat.

This is totally true but:
- if you would like to do something (touching, kissing, banging ecc.) but don't do it because dont' have the balls, delay thinking that it's a sure thing, assume she is not into that ecc. ecc., in this case yes, you fucked-up: she senses your hesitation, you come out as weak, you'll never see her again.
- other scenario: you don't wanna do something because in that moment you simply, and genuinely, don't feel like doing it, because of.. (I could list tens of reasons). In that case her attraction for you doesn't diminish: you are still the same attractive and interesting man for her. She'll also start seriously wonder if she is good enough for you. So as long as you play smooth and behave naturally, she will be more than eager to meet you again, and her legs will spread super-fast if you make it happen.

Here's two examples from my experiences:

- Germany 2010: I meet a 22yo blonde big-tits girl, a 7 with lot of suitors. We get along well and one evening she invites me to her house to watch a movie. We settle in her bed, under the same blanket, watching the film on the laptop. Only problem: she had a cat and I'm allergic. I started to be paranoic to have an allergic attack and, even though I was totally fine, I just looked forward to be out of that house as the movie finished. I didn't even try to kiss her. She understood that I didn't make a move not because I didn't have the balls, but because in that moment I just didn't give a shit about the whole thing. Next time she invited me to *sleep over*.

- Netherlands 2011: a stunning 23yo dutch girl let me surf her couch (ah good old cs times!). In the middle of the night she enters my room visibly drunk, wearing just her pants. When I stand up she, basically, rubs her pussy on my leg. I was asleep (I had smoked hashish all night) and couldn't care less about having sex in that moment (although during the next hours of sleep i had an erotic dream about her and ejaculated in my pajamas). Some days after she threw a party in her flat, I was invited, went, had fun, kissed and fingered another girl, then at 5am stumbled on her in the corridor, and kissed her: 5 minutes later I was banging her in her bed.

Post: #48

(01-31-2015 03:28 AM)Rawmeo Wrote:  Forgetting to check my condom supply 1 month ago when bringing a Thai chick home. We escalated, took panties off, licked her, and she whispers the thing we all like to hear: "You have condoms?". I reach in my drawer: EMPTY.

I tell her to hang on and I'll go right at the 7-11 across the street to get some. She says I should have thought about it before and she left. I ended up blueballed.

I tried to see her 2 days after, and she was "busy with work, I'll let you know when I have time".

Next.

This reminds me of when I once literally had to run to 7-11 to buy condoms when was with a Thai girl in a hotel room. She told me she won't let me back in, half jokingly. I ended up barebacking her after realising the condoms were way too tight.

Post: #49

Do you guys think a 'What's the easiest lay you ever had?' would be a good thread?

Post: #50

(05-06-2015 04:27 PM)Pride male Wrote:  Do you guys think a 'What's the easiest lay you ever had?' would be a good thread?

Only if it were specifically cases where a guy's hard earned physique, social proof, , text game, etc... were the reason it was the easiest lay you ever had.

Otherwise, a situation where a girl being drunk and just coming on to a guy because she wants to get back at her boyfriend doesn't provide any value to the forum.