Post: #1

After a series of successful or unsuccessful approaches/dates/ getting girls to respond, it's natural to reflect on what you did during the successful interactions that worked. Things like pushing interactions despite a girl's initial apprehensive body language or stronger eye contact or slowing your voice down, etc.

It's also natural when you are done with an approach you felt was unsuccessful or a girl later does not respond to your initial texts as to what your gut tells you that you probably did "wrong". Things like using apologetic/weak body language, bad eye contact, etc.

One thing, which is quite simple, I did to improve my "ask for number/get the number" ratio was simply dropping more bait and having her ask me about myself. In particular, I will often ask a girl's name and say 'nice to meet you' without offering my name. If she asks my name, I usually can get the number. If she seems uninterested in my name....I usually don't ask and her loss.

I think to have a number turn into a date requires the woman to have these three attributes: availability ( she's single or willing to see a new man) +attraction + some semblance of comfort.

Many members here have likely had either an 'ah ha' moment or upon reflection and implementing some behavior in their approaches....noticed a rather rapid increase in their success with women.

What are the adjustments or certain behaviors that you made when initially interacting with women when, once you started using them, improved your results/took you game to a new level? (ie...numbers converting to responses on texts and more dates from numbers?)

Post: #2

To be blunt: Stopping being such a dick and putting more effort into openers. I had this warped game due to being popular in a limited circle, and using it as a crutch. I got away with some really lame behavior because I was popular before. I expected girls to come to me. Inevitably, the girls that came to me were absolutely bonkers. I intimidate a lot of cute and sweet girls, and I did not even notice, I just thought they were disinterested. When I did talk to them, I ended up oversharing my accomplishments or some aspect and it was a turn off.

A lot of this has to do with having a really oppresive social environment when I was younger and undiagnosed allergies that kept me from putting on a lot of weight, with the self image that developed from that. I was carrying around a huge chip on my shoulder and didn't recognize the value in myself that I have fought tooth and nail over for the past decade. I can take my looks and popularity and leverage it for easy openers without being a dick. I can keep my sea of accomplishments hidden in the background to drop little hints of greatness if I want to hook a girl for a relationship (which I am ultimately about, but I can't make my goal because I simply haven't accomplished my mission, which I am trying to firm up into a solid statement of being).

Realizing this has also helped out my workplace game, or keeping myself from pissing everyone off around me. I argued way too much in the past, tried to get my point across even though I tried to convince myself that I wasn't doing it. I've been able to let a lot of shit slide, especially when the person who is after me frankly can't keep up with me and wants to take me down because of it. I'm trying to bring them into my fold more, even though they may outrank me strictly in the organizational sense.

Post: #3

It started from simple, common sense things, such as not doing what doesn't work. For example, it took me some time to understand that there is no correlation between how much I spend on a first date and how likely the girl is to sleep with me. Also, I took the famous Tuth's first date bang recipe and a bit of trial and error on my part to realize that the best venue for a date is the nearest bar to your place, doesnt even matter if the bar is pretty shitty.

Post: #4

There are so many it's hard to pick just one. But my biggest weakness is approach and I am working through that. My first take at it was to rush in and do a kamikaze approach or psych myself out and not approach at all. Now I am starting to realize there is a very small adjustment I can do that helps. And it is eye contact.

Not in the traditional sense because once I am in conversation with a chick I consider my eye contact to be very good. Even been complemented about it. But when I first spot a woman there is this tendency to avert my eyes right when she sees me. Even looking down. And I realize that it is a sign of weakness and is basically pushing them away. Just very recently I am working on not even approaching but just getting in the habit of spotting a chick and maintaining eye contact with her when she notices me looking at her and giving her a slight smile. Just need to get used to this because my old way is such a locked in habit. Got to build a new habit. Working so far.

Post: #5

As I develop more confidence in game, I give less and less a shit about how a girl might react to me when I approach, be it a good or bad reaction, I always try to find the interaction amusing. Through RVF i've learned she doesn't deserve any extra special treatment (aside from game) or pedestalization just because she has a pussy. They eat, shit, and sleep like the rest of us.

Still have a lot to learn.

Post: #6

I've learned to improve my body language, posture, and my tone of voice to have a more seductive tone to it. I used to sound a bit like Justin Wayne with that cackling, nerdy, type of voice. And now that my voice is smoother. Women have been more open to talk to me compared to before.

Post: #7

The game changers for me were as follows:
- Pushing hard (moving it towards sex as fast as possible). No.1
- The screening mentality
- Not being so picky ('don't have to stay with them' mentality). Ends up getting you hotter girls as well as more variety.
- Not being in Australia (although the above 3 apply there equally)

Currently working on next game changer:
- Not being skinny

Post: #8

(11-15-2014 11:40 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  And it is eye contact.

Not in the traditional sense because once I am in conversation with a chick I consider my eye contact to be very good. Even been complemented about it. But when I first spot a woman there is this tendency to avert my eyes right when she sees me. Even looking down. And I realize that it is a sign of weakness and is basically pushing them away. Just very recently I am working on not even approaching but just getting in the habit of spotting a chick and maintaining eye contact with her when she notices me looking at her and giving her a slight smile. Just need to get used to this because my old way is such a locked in habit. Got to build a new habit. Working so far.

This is what I've been working on since most of my life I've been a big pussy about confidently locking onto a women's gaze, smiling, going up to her and maybe putting my hand on her waist. In one long drawn motion. I've done it a few times and it worked beautifully, bangs away. But a lot of the time I simply pussy out long before and avert my gaze at 8's 9's 10's. Sadly.

Post: #9

Working out, proper nutrition, meditating, reading, and actually talking to people helped improve my game tenfold. I feel like a completely different man compared to last year when I've first stumbled upon the manosphere.

Eye contact and vocal tonality has also been a plus for me. I feel the amount of respect from people when I look directly into their eyes when I talk instead of averting my gaze down, while also being in control of my voice.

Post: #10

Ramping up my IDAF vibe

Makes chick wonder what they're missing out on

Post: #11

Not answering questions directly.

Taking them to cheap but interesting dates.

Keeping texts as short and cryptic as possible.

Constant steady eye contact, 80/20

These 4 have made a huge difference.

Post: #12

Being aware of posture and body language; eye contact (looking into a female's eyes can sometimes tell you almost everything about her via your instinct); understanding what attractiveness is both in relation to men and women; get used to talking to people you've just met; dress well; build muscle.

Post: #13

1) Go after multiple girls, and keep a rotation, even if my primary target is the most attractive of the group, I've found having a couple 6's and 7's around greatly increases by success with the more attractive girls. Something about a intuitive sense of abundence mentality helps me greatly.

2) Escalate quickly, don't be affraid. I missed out on some quality girls in the past because I thought I needed to validate my self way more than I did, and it always failed. Break the physical bearier early, even if it doesn't lead to sex, you need to get the vag moist early if you want to stay on a girls mind.

3) Massage close. When I get a girl back to my place, I get her comfy with tour and banter, and then turn the conversation to yoga, health, stress reduction. Ask if she would like a massage, give her one then make out. This helps ease into the physical side, gets her sex juices starting to flow, and it seems harmless enough to the girl. This probably helped me more than anything else, as I used to struggle with the idea of ramping up physical contact with virtual strangers.

Post: #14

Even though asshole game is a lot of fun, I've learned that it's not the best way (for my personality) to get laid.

Post: #15

My biggest turning point thus far has been a better usage of target selection (which I just submitted an article about to ROK). Smart target selection really works wonders for you. It just makes more sense to target girls more likely to be interested in you from the get go.

(11-15-2014 02:15 PM)robreke Wrote:  I think to have a number turn into a date requires the woman to have these three attributes: availability ( she's single or willing to see a new man) +attraction + some semblance of comfort.

This is far and away my biggest sticking point right now. I am getting numbers quite easily (my approaches usually end in a number close now) but a lot of flakes. My body language is very good and dominant, eye contact is good, and I steer conversation and dominate my interactions. This comes naturally and probably stems in some ways from my ENTJ personality (we're called field marshals for a reason).

But I think I'm not getting girls to invest enough. I need to build up some more comfort. Roosh mentioned this a bit in one of his latest posts.

So that's what I think I need to work on next, along with maybe being a bit more subtle in my accomplishments.

Post: #16

This is more pertinent to nightgame scenarios but not getting angry / bitter towards girls that are rude or snootily reject me.
I used to tear these girls down before moving on but now I politely just say "yeah, I can tell you're not really feeling it - it was nice meeting you though, have a good night."

This has done well for my inner-peace and it helps me maintain my alpha frame while not getting too deep into hating every woman at the bar.

Post: #17

1) Not being such an asshole... I have a chip on my shoulder so that's something I had to get rid of. It's easy for me not to pedestalize, harder to be nice when it can get me further in most scenarios (I'm a good looking guy).

2) Toning down the interview questions. I'm good at keeping conversations going, but sometimes I ask too many questions... I think it comes off as canned. So shifting to more observations and less questions.

3) Eliminating/reducing text message convo... Text messages are just for setting up/confirming dates.

4) Nofap. If you're rolling solo, in particular - you gotta have a loaded gun to keep out of the dark zone.

5) Venue selection: A lot of my game has been in dive bars, but actually I do better in higher end venues... so knowing where you'll pull, that's important.

Post: #18

When I adopted a statistical mindset concerning getting laid.

The more quality approaches I make, the more I will get laid.

I know both failure and success is inevitable, yet Persistence is key.

Eventually this realization will help you in other areas of your life.

After a while, you will see the pattern develop and you will eventually become numb to such effects.

As a byproduct, you will 'not give a fuck' when you know success is a few steps away.

Post: #19

Nofap is giving me direct results. I get a lot more satisfaction out of interacting with the second sex and I seem to be flirting on autopilot, while approaching used to be more of a chore.

Post: #20

eye contact
talking less

Post: #21

My biggest adjustment was to enjoy the chase and once you catch prey you have to push...push hard.

Post: #22

-Smirking when saying something sarcastic with strong eye contact.
-Giving her bedroom eyes when talking.
-Escalating as fast as possible (Team Blitzkrieg)
-I talk slower and deeper, I take my time. (I use to speak super fast and very enthusiastically)
-I can't emphasize this enough: Having a venue you have locked down. LOGISTICS.
-Timing: When to message a girl, when to reply, when to text, when to call.
-I drop red pill ideas within jokes.
-Disarming girls with laughter, funny/asshole game.

To be quite honest A LOT has changed since last December. I'll be doing a 1 year write up and a Tinder write up before years end.

Post: #23

(11-19-2014 09:36 AM)dtpilgrim Wrote:  Nofap is giving me direct results. I get a lot more satisfaction out of interacting with the second sex and I seem to be flirting on autopilot, while approaching used to be more of a chore.

Tried it, 40 days.
I was flirting with almost everything "female" ..

Stopped because it gave me too much creepiness and "hunger look".

Post: #24

I want to try "quitting computers". Basically, to resign from my job where I stare at a computer screen all day long barely talking to people and get some "real" job.

Post: #25

I used to dress like shit and women treated me as such.

Improved my wardrobe by buying clothes on a regular basis.
Wearing what most people are wearing, to fit in.

Leaving the basement. Going out where the women are is half the battle. Like Mystery said first step is to leave the house.