Post: #51

(04-21-2011 12:30 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Ok. Im going to try and explain again...I try to avoid these situations at all costs and never have i lied about it. But,It has happend. My friends flirt etc with my dates all the time and I dont give a shit.Most women do what THEY want to do regardless. We talk about this openly and honestly and it has never ruined any frienships.

I get you. You think that I don't but I do.

Understand that flirting and fucking are two completely, completely different things. They are worlds apart. Saying that your friends are cool with you flirting with their wives, or vice versa, is completely different than what you were saying before.

I flirt with my friends gfs and wives too. The difference is that they know that they can trust me to never, ever take it beyond that. That's why its okay for me to flirt.

Hell, I've taken a friends wife out before, at the request of my friend when he was out of town. Its not because there was never any sexual tension between me and his wife, because in truth there has been, and its not because he wanted me to fuck her, its because he knows that he can trust me implicitly. Which is true.

If you didn't give a shit about the flirting / fucking then you could control yourself to the end of not fucking over your friend, which is a strong motivator to not follow through with that . Or maybe what you mean is that you don't 'give a shit' about whether or not your friends SO's are unfaithful with you, which is what is sounds like.

As I before stated, I agree with you that women will do what they want. That's why its up to the men to be principled, at least when it comes to getting the back of other male friends.

If your friends don't care about you fucking their wives or gfs, then you have some unique friends and you should thank god that they keep you as a friend, because it certainly isn't regular accepted behavior or in the bounds of anything approaching normal even for men that are or were players.

I don't believe you when you say that you avoid these situations. Dude, Ive known a hundred people like you. You'll say that you avoid it, to maybe appease your conscience a bit and throw people off for a minute, but I guarantee that your actions don't back that up. Take that bullshit down the road.

For my general opinion about your perspective, see my previous post.

Post: #52

(04-21-2011 12:43 PM)Gringo Wrote:  They probably still give you the benefit of the doubt that you ARE a good friend and wouldn't fuck their girlfriend / wife. You'll prove them wrong eventually I'm sure.

How so?

Post: #53

(04-21-2011 12:55 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(04-21-2011 12:30 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Ok. Im going to try and explain again...I try to avoid these situations at all costs and never have i lied about it. But,It has happend. My friends flirt etc with my dates all the time and I dont give a shit.Most women do what THEY want to do regardless. We talk about this openly and honestly and it has never ruined any frienships.

I get you. You think that I don't but I do.

Understand that flirting and fucking are two completely, completely different things. They are worlds apart. Saying that your friends are cool with you flirting with their wives, or vice versa, is completely different than what you were saying before.

I flirt with my friends gfs and wives too. The difference is that they know that they can trust me to never, ever take it beyond that. That's why its okay for me to flirt.

Hell, I've taken a friends wife out before, at the request of my friend when he was out of town. Its not because there was never any sexual tension between me and his wife, because in truth there has been, and its not because he wanted me to fuck her, its because he knows that he can trust me implicitly. Which is true.

If you didn't give a shit about the flirting / fucking then you could control yourself to the end of not fucking over your friend, which is a strong motivator to not follow through with that . Or maybe what you mean is that you don't 'give a shit' about anyone other than yourself, which is what is sounds like.

As I before stated, I agree with you that women will do what they want. That's why its up to the men to be principled, at least when it comes to getting the back of other male friends.

If your friends don't care about you fucking their wives or gfs, then you have some unique friends and you should thank god that they keep you as a friend, because it certainly isn't regular accepted behavior or in the bounds of anything approaching normal even for men that are or were players.

I don't believe you when you say that you avoid these situations. Dude, Ive known a hundred people like you. You'll say that you avoid it, to maybe appease your conscience a bit and throw people off for a minute, but I guarantee that your actions don't back that up. Take that bullshit down the road.

For my general opinion about your perspective, see my previous post.

Everybody knows my position on this. my friends and their girls its no secret. you are making me out to be a predator..cmon

Post: #54

(04-21-2011 12:56 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(04-21-2011 12:43 PM)Gringo Wrote:  They probably still give you the benefit of the doubt that you ARE a good friend and wouldn't fuck their girlfriend / wife. You'll prove them wrong eventually I'm sure.

How so?

Well, because you stated that you would fuck them.

That's the premise of this entire conversation.

Post: #55

Quote:Everybody knows my position on this. my friends and their girls its no secret. you are making me out to be a predator..cmon

This is a perfect example of how sociopaths are psychologically unable to see the fault in their logic and the fucked up reality of their behavior.

Everyone reading this should take careful note. These people exist, and they aren't like you or me.

They see the world differently, and no amount of reality check will benefit or change them.

If you can't control your selfish impulses, then you are a predator. That's the exact definition of a sociopath / predator.

Post: #56

(04-21-2011 01:08 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(04-21-2011 12:56 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(04-21-2011 12:43 PM)Gringo Wrote:  They probably still give you the benefit of the doubt that you ARE a good friend and wouldn't fuck their girlfriend / wife. You'll prove them wrong eventually I'm sure.

How so?

Well, because you stated that you would fuck them.

That's the premise of this entire conversation.

So you think that I try to do this? I think that I may have struck a chord here that I didnt intend to.Im not insecure or nieve.If my girlfriend wants to cheat she going to so why worry about something you have no control over.If she does bye,bye and next..And if she screws my buddy so what.This has been going on for years. you may have to understand the kind of clowns I hang with too..

Post: #57

If that's the situation then in my world those girls are fuck buddies / hoes, and not girlfriends, if I don't care about my buddies fucking her.

Maybe I don't casually refer to a woman that I'm fucking as my gf as easily as you and your friends do. I'm usually fucking a girl for 3 or more months maybe exclusively, including dates, before she would come close to getting girlfriend status. And even then its not common. Most women aren't worthy of that status.

I understand that girls will cheat if they want to, but good male friends don't fuck the gf's of their friends. Unless they aren't really your friend.

Also, as I before stated, there might be a cultural difference in play here. Where I grew up, men / boys are very loyal to their friends. However, I have since noticed that that culture tends to be particular, in the strictest execution of loyalty, to a very specific socio-economic background (lower-middle class). I've noticed that that culture of loyalty doesn't exist in the same way in the lower class (actually it does sometimes - but the poverty tends to make some people very mercenary), the middle class or the upper middle class. Sure, some individuals are different. But I'm talking about a strong class culture of loyalty between male friends. I'm not sure about race differences in this culture.

Post: #58

I'd hate to pile on mechanico here--since I don't know how much of what he initially said was just poorly phrased or whatever--but I've definitely known sausages that you couldn't turn your back on. I got pretty good at sussing those characters out and cutting them out of my social circle. I have plenty of dudes to worry about on the outside, I don't need them in my own house. Usually, it was beta dudes that rarely get laid, but are competent enough about picking up chicks to be irritants. It makes the chick uncomfortable too. Weird mixed signals and awkward situations.

I agree that it's ultimately the chick's responsibility, but the "I had a couple of vodkas and fucked your chick" is not a legit excuse. There has to be some honor among thieves.

(04-20-2011 09:50 AM)Gringo Wrote:  Why do so many homophobic insults get thrown around this board? It's childish.

@gringo: dude, where's all this hall-monitor on gay stuff coming from? You're on top of every remark that can be remotely interpreted as maybe anti-gay (on other threads too), even though it's just slangy dude-talk, but you insult guys that show even the slightest sign of being attracted to a girl one day under the "legal age." I even politely PM'd you about the latter thing and you never replied. What gives?

Post: #59

This is comical more than anything else. For instance my best friend Brian started dating this girl and we were hanging out at a riverfront dive bar.I was sitting on my boat and his girl asked me to take her for a fast ride..he went to get a couple beers and another buddy said hey Brian you girlfriends going for a boat ride. He turned around and said Nooo! we were all laughing.Its all reciprocated.That guy would f**k my girl in one second.We all know whos who in our group.Maybe we are more calles because we are getting older (early 40s)..And why jump on my shit anyway the guy in the beginning of this thread went on a date with his best friends girl and fingered her in the pool..I was trying to say Sex happens and you never know when its going to.There is no sneaking around here we all know what time it is..

Post: #60

To Hydrogonian:

If your wife or girlfriend is going to fcuk someone, your friend's abstinence will not change that.

Your woman cannot be trusted.

I repeat that my friend sent his future fiancee to stay with me to test her fidelity out because if the woman wants to fcuk, she will no matter how much principles you have in place.
At least if she did offer up some sex to me, he could trust me to give him the details.

Women test their men out in EXACTLY the same way. I dated a woman who used to give her number out to her friends who would call me randomly and say "Hi, we met at the mall, what's up?"

Or have her friends bend down right in my face so I could see the outline of their ass through the tights and my actions would determine how far ahead they wished to go with that relationship.

At least if your friend fcuks her, you know she is in the hands of someone you know and can trust that can alert you to her wicked behaviour.

Someone who can say, hey dude, watch out for Suzette, she is sexually unfaithful, she let me fcuk etc etc.

Your beef should be PRIMARILY with the woman and not the guy. The fact that you are tying in this my friend shouldn't fcuk my wife suggests a lot of emotional ties into the situation.

A lot of guys have elevated to the level of understanding where the test lies on the woman.

A friend that has a tendency to fcuk your friend is a lot more easier to manage than a woman that will fcuk your friend.

That man will be motivated by sexual gratification (so as long as you monitor the pussy around him) you generally have him in hand whereas women will tie all sorts of behaviour into sex.

They can double cross you, expose your financial secrets, your weaknesses because they usually tie in emotional infidelity with the whole act.

With that in mention, I tend not to trust women who even flirt because flirting is the premise of fcuking. Flirtation is the beginning of emotional infidelity.

A lot of guys don't pay attention to emotional infidelity but that is HUGE to women. That's why women often ask when you fcuk another woman whether you loved her or not.

Women cannot conceive fcuking a guy they genuinely dislike. Men on the other hand..shytt..I was fcuking a lizard for almost two years who had some principles that I totally did not like.
As soon as I would hit that, I would be gone because her vibes were horrible.

To be honest, human beings were built to fcuk around. If you base trust in a friend on whether he can keep his hands of your cheating wife, it's based on unrealistic terms.

That's like having a friend over who has the munchies and then you fault him because he was munching on cookies from the bag that you left half open on the kitchen counter...

However, I do not fcuk my friends girls but the way I am trying to see things for what count as opposed to the bullshyt.

Post: #61

@moma,

I didn't understand everything that you wrote, but a lot of what I understood is incomplete /wrong / naive in my opinion. Some of it I agree with but you pose as a contradiction to my perspective, but it is not.

Second, your a douche if you think that there aren't "emotional ties" for guys that are married or even in LTRs. Trying to shame me by suggesting "emotional ties" to women / wives / LTR's will never work. This whole pompous stance of a player never has any emotion for women, even a wife, is complete newbie dogma that only holds true when your pumping and dumping women. When you have a wife or a LTR your a liar or a chump if you don't get involved a little, and can't imagine a man who does.

If you aren't real than your posts hold little value. I don't want to read about bullshit teenage fantasy land perspectives on "no emotion" in any situation with a woman, and trying to shame me with them will only cause me to think of you as a tool. Grow up.

If you wouldn't be mad at a 'friend' for fucking your wife then you live in fantasy land. Your right, women can't be trusted. That's why your male friends have to be trusted.

If you never have any emotion for a woman, can't trust her, and can't trust your friends, then why would you have any relationships with women or men?

(04-21-2011 02:24 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  This is comical more than anything else. For instance my best friend Brian started dating this girl and we were hanging out at a riverfront dive bar.I was sitting on my boat and his girl asked me to take her for a fast ride..he went to get a couple beers and another buddy said hey Brian you girlfriends going for a boat ride. He turned around and said Nooo! we were all laughing.Its all reciprocated.That guy would f**k my girl in one second.We all know whos who in our group.Maybe we are more calles because we are getting older (early 40s)..And why jump on my shit anyway the guy in the beginning of this thread went on a date with his best friends girl and fingered her in the pool..I was trying to say Sex happens and you never know when its going to.There is no sneaking around here we all know what time it is..

I agree that this is comical, but probably not for the same reasons.

You keep posing situations that are different from your original premise.

A girl that your best friend just started dating is not equivalent to a wife or even a girlfriend in my book. He's probably taken her out for drinks a couple of times. Tell me a story about you fingering a friends wife on the same boat ride and then you'll be consistent.

You have some type of polyamorous subculture going on with you friends. I get that. Thats fine. If it extends to wives, then that is certainly unusual. But posing this type of behavior for some three date hoe vs a wife or a ltr is different.

Post: #62

(04-21-2011 03:15 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  @moma,

I didn't understand everything that you wrote, but a lot of what I understood is incomplete /wrong / naive in my opinion. Some of it I agree with but you pose as a contradiction to my perspective, but it is not.

Second, your a douche if you think that there aren't "emotional ties" for guys that are married or even in LTRs. Trying to shame me by suggesting "emotional ties" to women / wives / LTR's will never work. This whole pompous stance of a player never has any emotion for women, even a wife, is complete newbie dogma that only holds true when your pumping and dumping women. When you have a wife or a LTR your a liar or a chump if you don't get involved a little, and can't imagine a man who does.

If you aren't real than your posts hold little value. I don't want to read about bullshit teenage fantasy land perspectives on "no emotion" in any situation with a woman, and trying to shame me with them will only cause me to think of you as a tool. Grow up.

If you wouldn't be mad at a 'friend' for fucking your wife then you live in fantasy land. Your right, women can't be trusted. That's why your male friends have to be trusted.

If you never have any emotion for a woman, can't trust her, and can't trust your friends, then why would you have any relationships with women or men?

(04-21-2011 02:24 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  This is comical more than anything else. For instance my best friend Brian started dating this girl and we were hanging out at a riverfront dive bar.I was sitting on my boat and his girl asked me to take her for a fast ride..he went to get a couple beers and another buddy said hey Brian you girlfriends going for a boat ride. He turned around and said Nooo! we were all laughing.Its all reciprocated.That guy would f**k my girl in one second.We all know whos who in our group.Maybe we are more calles because we are getting older (early 40s)..And why jump on my shit anyway the guy in the beginning of this thread went on a date with his best friends girl and fingered her in the pool..I was trying to say Sex happens and you never know when its going to.There is no sneaking around here we all know what time it is..

I agree that this is comical, but probably not for the same reasons.

You keep posing situations that are different from your original premise.

A girl that your best friend just started dating is not equivalent to a wife or even a girlfriend in my book. He's probably taken her out for drinks a couple of times. Tell me a story about you fingering a friends wife on the same boat ride and then you'll be consistent.

You have some type of polyamorous subculture going on with you friends. I get that. Thats fine. If it extends to wives, then that is certainly unusual. But posing this type of behavior for some three date hoe vs a wife or a ltr is different.

Are you from the US? You dont get it do you?

Post: #63

Its ironic when a guy with the name el mechanico asks me if I'm from the USA. I've been suspicious of your origin since the beginning, starting with your chosen user name as well as your syntax. My family has been here for 200 years, how about yours?

My loyalty ethics, to my male friends, partly stems from traditional protestant ethics of this country. How about your lack of loyalty? What culture does that come from?

Moving on.

What you don't get is that I get it, as I before mentioned. I get it 100%. You don't get why I disagree with you.

Let me put it to you this way:

You think that its good / useful to test women by having your guy friends test them to see if they will fuck them. This extends to wives.

Another, separate but equally useful to your point, rationalization is that this doesn't matter if there is no emotion given toward these women, ever, at any time. At least that's Moma's premise. I'll put Moma's point to rest by saying that such a stance is a juvenile fallacy unless you never plan on having a real relationship with a woman. Some men don't. Maybe that's Moma, and that's fine. Play till you die. No big deal. But that generally will never extend to a wife. Otherwise, the marriage would not exist. At least not a normal healthy one. I may never get married because frankly I don't know if I have any love left for a woman. But that means that I won't get married. I'll just play. That doesn't mean that I don't think that a certain amount of love is what it takes to make a healthy marriage partnership.

Back to your logic, el mechanico:

Where your logic is faulty is that you think that some women will pass this test all of the time. You feel that a woman will be worthwhile if she passes this test with you and your friends, or that her coming onto you serves some type of purpose for your friend, and therefore you cheating with her is justified.

That's low class delusion, and a sociopathic justification.

First, ALL women, thats right, ALL women will fail this test if given the right opportunity at some point. Even your mother. I don't care if you are Brad Pitt. Your woman will fuck someone else if given both the ethical justification / permission to do so (you not caring about her cheating, a bad argument, a bad 3 months, you haven't fucked her well in 3 weeks, etc...) as well as the opportunity to do so with a male of high enough value. Most of my close friends are high value men. If you surround yourself with men of lower value than yourself, then that's a different story, as she won't find them as attractive as you. However, just like a man's attraction to even a high value woman diminishes with time, so does her attraction to a high value man. Value diminishes with time, and new men look better. Even, if when starting from scratch, you and the other man would be of equal value.

You think that I'm not distrustful enough of women to test them. What you don't realize is that I'm more distrustful of them than you are.

So much so that I believe that testing them is a road to failure every single time. Especially when the test will come continuously form the continuous presence of your high value friends, over the long term of a relationship. When she means nothing to you, its never a big deal. But as soon as she does, then it is.

That's why you have to trust your friends not to fuck your lady. At least if you have high enough value friends. Loyalty is not a natural female trait, for any and all females except those who have been socially conditioned through religion.

You guys discuss. I'm not gonna go back and forth on this anymore.

Post: #64

I tried to insert this in my previous reply, but the forum timed out:

There isn't a Don Juan on this board that can keep his wife's mind from wandering over the course of a marriage. Its about her justifications for action and her opportunity when it does wander.

I have friends who offer their wives much more social value than I ever could / would. They are great husbands and attractive men. But if she had permission, I had permission (and magically wouldn't feel guilty), and one-on-one opportunity? It would definitely happen in that hypothetical scenario. Unless your a beta man and hanging around with beta men, your wife and the wives of your friends are going to develop small attractions to the other males that they and you hang around with. And they can't be given permission and opportunity to act on that.

Most men would act on it, if the same dynamic and ethics existed with his wives friends. Women are no different.

Luckily, I don't have to deal with that twisted social situation and my friends don't have to worry about me.

Post: #65

Hydro,

I just went through the thread. The times I've been in a situation where a gf of a friend has made it known that she would like to fuck, I have always made it clear, on no uncertain terms where my loyalties lie. I shut that shit down right away. Back in the Army, you always locked your stuff up. Not because you didn't trust your fellow soldiers, but because you didn't want an opportunity for them to be weak to arise. It's the same thing, as you said, under certain circumstances, any woman will fuck another guy. Being a good friend is important to me, to fuck his girl is a betrayal because he values her commitment to him. Yeah, she may eventually fuck some other guy but not THIS GUY.

Some other guy's girl is fair game, but for the friends I value, it isn't even a choice.

Post: #66

Honestly if I knew my woman (and she knew that I knew) would sleep with any of my friends at any given time given the opportunity, that would be one of the biggest beta DLVs of all time -- unless an explicit understanding has been formed (i.e. swingers). What you are saying is "it's cool to not respect me as a man, go fuck around with other dudes".

Fuck that, I'd throw her under the bus.

Post: #67

(04-21-2011 11:30 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Hydro,

I just went through the thread. The times I've been in a situation where a gf of a friend has made it known that she would like to fuck, I have always made it clear, on no uncertain terms where my loyalties lie. I shut that shit down right away. Back in the Army, you always locked your stuff up. Not because you didn't trust your fellow soldiers, but because you didn't want an opportunity for them to be weak to arise. It's the same thing, as you said, under certain circumstances, any woman will fuck another guy. Being a good friend is important to me, to fuck his girl is a betrayal because he values her commitment to him. Yeah, she may eventually fuck some other guy but not THIS GUY.

Some other guy's girl is fair game, but for the friends I value, it isn't even a choice.

exactly my perspective.

(04-22-2011 07:50 AM)Gmac Wrote:  Honestly if I knew my woman (and she knew that I knew) would sleep with any of my friends at any given time given the opportunity, that would be one of the biggest beta DLVs of all time -- unless an explicit understanding has been formed (i.e. swingers). What you are saying is "it's cool to not respect me as a man, go fuck around with other dudes".

Fuck that, I'd throw her under the bus.

I basically agree with you. If it was an out and out admission that she would cheat if given the opportunity, I'd throw her under the bus too. The only difference is maybe not recognizing that her attraction to other men will always exist, most likely including to your friends if they are attractive men.

Whether or not she would ever act on the is the question. I believe that given the right circumstance, all humans would act on it. Just hopefully not with your friends.

So the variables that decide whether or not she will act on it:
1. Her social conditioning (most important - that's why a lot of me, including myself, become fans of LTR women with religious upbringings, even though I'm not religious)
2. Permission from you (you won't react / don't care / treat her in a way that causes her to devalue you)
3. Your value in relation to the man she is attracted to
4. The other man offering the opportunity (this is where loyal / disloyal friends come in to the picture)

A marriage and even an LTR is a marathon, not a sprint. You have to be able to trust the men who will be around your woman regularly not to offer #4 when things might be weak between you and your significant other. If they hang around long enough, they will be around during weak moments. When its taken into account that women are naturally less loyal and more emotional and impulsive than (most) men, and more likely to justify cheating in a LTR / marriage, this becomes especially relevant when high value friends are allowed social access to your wife.

Post: #68

Quote:@gringo: dude, where's all this hall-monitor on gay stuff coming from? You're on top of every remark that can be remotely interpreted as maybe anti-gay (on other threads too), even though it's just slangy dude-talk, but you insult guys that show even the slightest sign of being attracted to a girl one day under the "legal age." I even politely PM'd you about the latter thing and you never replied. What gives?

There's quite a lot of stupid homophobic comments on here and I just don't see the point in it, just like if it were racist comments I would say something too. No need for prejudice.

Your PM didn't warrant a reply. If you're OK with fucking children (which is what I see girls at the age of 14/15 as) then fine but I think it's very strange. Let's not derail the thread though and leave it at that.

Post: #69

@Hydrogonian- First I wanted to thank you for all the insults yesterday. Id like to address a few of them for you. Lets start with the "lower socio-economic backround (lower middle class)" thats in play here as you said.I was born and raised in Fairfield Connecticut. Im sure you are from alot better socio-economic climate. You asked me "how long has your family been here?"Well,Only about 300 years in New England but before that Quebec.Pre 1610 (Acaidian).Also Im not spanish. I was chatting online with girls in SA the day I found Roosh and was learning spanish that day. Thats how el mechanico came about.
Lets talk about friendship.I felt bad for one of my friends a few weeks back because his boat motor had low compression. Hes struggling with a new buisness.I had my guys pull it out and I rebuilt it for him,free.Do you do that kinda shit for your friends?The same guy would f**k my girlfriend in one second if she showed up at his place buzzed and horny.We are all in agreement on this issue.
Bottom line: KEEP YOUR BITCH IN CHECK! After reading your posts here it is very obvious to me that you have had alot of problems doing that!

Post: #70

(04-22-2011 10:29 AM)Gringo Wrote:  

Quote:@gringo: dude, where's all this hall-monitor on gay stuff coming from? You're on top of every remark that can be remotely interpreted as maybe anti-gay (on other threads too), even though it's just slangy dude-talk, but you insult guys that show even the slightest sign of being attracted to a girl one day under the "legal age." I even politely PM'd you about the latter thing and you never replied. What gives?

There's quite a lot of stupid homophobic comments on here and I just don't see the point in it, just like if it were racist comments I would say something too. No need for prejudice.

Your PM didn't warrant a reply. If you're OK with fucking children (which is what I see girls at the age of 14/15 as) then fine but I think it's very strange. Let's not derail the thread though and leave it at that.

Gringo,

I think you're being a little too sensitive. Guys use the term"gay" to describe an action by another man that is douchey or less than standup. They call a guy who habitually acts in that manner a "fag" or "homo". This is just reality. I'm sure most of us have gay acquaintances or even friends that we're totally civil around and they aren't on our minds when we say those terms. I've noticed that you interject your opinion on how people should live their lives, and it's really none of your business. If someone says something like "gay" or "homo" and you're offended, just block them on your PC and carry on.

Cheers

ps I think the term "homophobic" is ridiculous. Do you happen to know a gay man or woman that you're afraid of? I sure don't.

Post: #71

(04-22-2011 10:29 AM)Gringo Wrote:  There's quite a lot of stupid homophobic comments on here and I just don't see the point in it, just like if it were racist comments I would say something too. No need for prejudice.

Your PM didn't warrant a reply. If you're OK with fucking children (which is what I see girls at the age of 14/15 as) then fine but I think it's very strange. Let's not derail the thread though and leave it at that.

@gringo:
You have a bad case of preaching the wrong sermon. You're in the wrong place to be policing pretty vanilla-ass statements. Fisto nailed it. Even gay dudes throw around the word "gay." It's all about context. Nobody is spitting actual hate toward any group. You should be smart enough to know the difference.

As for the silly "fucking children" comment: plenty of dudes addressed this in the other thread. First of all, nobody was talking about fucking 14-year-olds. We were talking about lowering the age of consent to a more reasonable number; 15 or 16 was thrown around. It was a matter of physical, sexual maturity.

What I'm saying is that in that case, it was okay for you to throw around insults. But you're quick to demand guys not insult groups you're sympathetic toward. It's just hypocritical, selective, moral grand-standing that's all.

I don't have anything against you--since I don't really know you--but I'm just saying to stop popping up like Microsoft Word Paperclip every few posts to remind people not to use the word "gay," or to tell them they're "sick in the head" because they're following hundreds-of-thousands of years of instinct and finding a fully mature girl attractive. First of all, it's annoying. And, this is game forum, not a parenting forum or a mommy blog.

That's my peace. Sorry, guys, for the off-topic post. I would have kept this over PM, but gringo doesn't deign to respond to those.

Post: #72

(04-22-2011 10:56 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  @Hydrogonian- First I wanted to thank you for all the insults yesterday. Id like to address a few of them for you. Lets start with the "lower socio-economic backround (lower middle class)" thats in play here as you said.I was born and raised in Fairfield Connecticut. Im sure you are from alot better socio-economic climate. You asked me "how long has your family been here?"Well,Only about 300 years in New England but before that Quebec.Pre 1610 (Acaidian).Also Im not spanish. I was chatting online with girls in SA the day I found Roosh and was learning spanish that day. Thats how el mechanico came about.
Lets talk about friendship.I felt bad for one of my friends a few weeks back because his boat motor had low compression. Hes struggling with a new buisness.I had my guys pull it out and I rebuilt it for him,free.Do you do that kinda shit for your friends?The same guy would f**k my girlfriend in one second if she showed up at his place buzzed and horny.We are all in agreement on this issue.
Bottom line: KEEP YOUR BITCH IN CHECK! After reading your posts here it is very obvious to me that you have had alot of problems doing that!

I agree with el mechanico. I disagree with the hydrogonian.. You seem to be very emotional about this issue, Hydro.

Also, Hydro, I am not sure why you listed that talk about how deep your U.S roots go. You seem very touchy. Are you a former U.S marine or perhaps a retired UFC/MMA fighter?
Let me know so I know how to tread.

Hydro, if your wife/girlfriend showed up at my doorstep horny, I wouldn't fcuk her.
Why? Because it's not worth the drama, simple.
If you read my original posts, I have had women who are dating friends of mine start to take their clothes off in front of me, have showers with the bathroom door open while I am the only male in the house.

I didn't make a move because I generally operate from a standpoint of honour.
As I go through life however, I am realising that this honour standpoint that I abide by is not always necessarily the best thing. I am learning as I move along to be smart and to watch how people behave.

So as much as I see why you passionately disprove of friends fcuking each other's wives, one must sit back and observe what drives a man and a woman.

There are women out there that are capable of fidelity and with proper moral values. Leveraging your friends sexual capacity as a litmus test is used widely by both men and women.



Hydro:
You said you flirt with your friend's wives? Flirting is the premise of cheating, it is the act of piquing the target's sexual interest. So how much does your friend's wife's sexual interest have to be escalated before he says "Hey Hydro, back off dude?"

In some cultures, a woman will grind on another guy's groin area in an act of flirting. The drive behind it is piquing sexual interest.
Smart women know exactly what it is and won't even go there.

Other women who are in denial or who like to constantly see what the 'market' is like, will flirt and will play down these actions by saying
"Oh baby, relax, I'm just playing"


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Post: #73

Quote:Even gay dudes throw around the word "gay.

Yeah and black people call each other nigger but it doesn't mean they'd be happy if a white guy called them it or was using the word. Context is right. A gay guy calling another gay friend a 'fag' or a 'homo' isn't neccessarily offensive, when a straight person uses the term it usually is. Doesn't matter that there's no gay people round here to see it, it can still be an offensive term.

Post: #74

Moma,

You are doing what I despise the most when it comes to corresponding with people. You are adding some things and taking away others, from Hydro's statements. Work on your reading comprehension. He's not being "emotional" and he brought up the history of his family simply because El Mechanico was inferring that he was a foreigner who wouldn't understand the subtle nuiancces of American lifestyle choices. This litmus test you're speaking about is nothing more than someone rationalizing why they did something they shouldn't have. Unless the guy says "fuck my gf" you're just being a scumbag. When Hydro says "flirt" with, he's using a word that is synonymous with "charming". He just made it clear he would not fuck his friends's gfs so "piquing her sexual interest" would not be the motive. In fact, it's you who is coming off as emotional because it seems to me you're upset that Hydro put you in your place when you gave that smartass comment.

Post: #75

(04-22-2011 10:29 AM)Gringo Wrote:  Your PM didn't warrant a reply. If you're OK with fucking children (which is what I see girls at the age of 14/15 as) then fine but I think it's very strange. Let's not derail the thread though and leave it at that.

Way over the line. Making such accusations on the board should be a bannable offence.