Post: #1

This is something I think about a lot, as someone who basically grew up clueless, and has had to spend the last several years 'learning what I need to learn'.

I'd say by and large, "school", is a disgrace. It should either occupy much less of the day, leaving room for extra-curricular academies or other learning/activities, or should be made much broader and thorough in scope.

Obviously, it would be a little crass to teach young boys a "how to pick up chicks class" in a co-ed school, but there are a great number of failings I think should be addressed. I list them as follows:

Should be added
- Practical philosophy. Namely, learning the mentality that is proper to a man. I.e. the mentality which leads to success.
- Finance & Business generally.
- Tactics & strategy.
- Career training. How to research and determine good careers, how to enter those careers and be successful in them. Would include teaching about networking etc.
- Fitness. A few 'PE' classes in primary school is BS. The importance of a good healthy body should be stressed, and the 'best practice' of achieving that should be taught (both sexes).
- Social education. Probably extracurricular. Awkward or timid dudes should be taught that which they have been unable to pick up through trial and error.
- Ability to fast track education into a specific career. If a 14yo really wants to be a heart surgeon, there is no reason he should dawdle learning about unrelated bullshit. He should be able to drop everything else and be operating by the time he is 25yo.

Should be removed
- Propaganda of any nature. Anything politically charged should be optional or broadly inclusive.

Should be optional
- Religion of any nature.
- Bullshit subjects like 'English'. (In Australia 'English' is basically jibberish, a lot of leftist political nonsense, nothing to do with the teaching of actual English unless you are a foreign student, and is not optional until final years).

What things would you add, remove, or change?

Post: #2

Never fear solitude. Learn to be at peace with silence and your own thoughts.
Don't be a afraid to fail. Michael Jordan missed 9,000 shots in his pro career.
Try to be as self sufficient as possible.
Surround yourself with people that enhance your life.
Put yourself in a position early to be your own boss/ man. This way you can't be held hostage by circumstance or others. There are a lot of guys in this world trapped in jobs, cities, and relationships that they can't walk away from.

Post: #3

No, I mean general subjects . Like was described above.

Post: #4

This is something that I find is rarely discussed by people until after having left the education system.
For the purposes of labeling, there's 2 different schools - the School of Academics and the School of Life.

The School of Academics focuses mostly on pure subject material. For example mathematics, foreign languages, the sciences, English literature, art/D&T, geography etc.
Now these are extremely useful, but only for specific fields of which a student would need to be consciously pursuing in the hopes of a career to be of any merit.

The School of Life focuses on the things that, ironically, aren't taught in school. They're the things that you pick up as long go along or learn as when it becomes necessary in your adult years but are never disseminated as useful information to prepare for said eventualities.
For example, learning the difference between a P45 and a P60, how to apply for a mortgage, how to fill in a tax return, how to change a flat tyre, how to vote and the ramifications thereof.
I doubt very much that there's classroom full of pupils right now being taught about the significance of APR rates on loans.

Needless to say, I think it would arm the young much better if they had that kind of knowledge as they prepared to enter the working world.

That being said, however, I don't think that it's particularly fair to ask young teenagers what subjects they want to specialize in for future jobs. These are kids with little understanding of the wider world and have no idea what they'd like to be doing to ten or twenty years to contribute to themselves and to society.
Hell, they have to raise their hands and ask permission to use to toilet until they're 18 and at the same time are being told to make decisions that could affect their prospects for decades to come.

Post: #5

A solid understanding of economics. It doesn't have to be complicated; the focus should be cause and effect (which is really what economics is about), with a ton of case studies.

Understanding cause and effect is not only fundamental to making good decisions, but would almost directly show, through logic, the consequences of toxic ideologies like feminism and communism.

E.g., off the top of my head, holding demand for pussy constant, if more women become sluts, then the price of sex is devalued, resulting in less marriages being formed ("why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free."

Learning about the cause and effect of incentives allows people to see why divorce rape leads to less marriages, or why smart people will leave socialist places for less socialist ones, just as much as it will help them make basic decisions in everyday life.

This doesn't have to be hard, but having a basic understanding of why an entitlement mentality / wanting something for nothing is anti to reality, and thus, cannot stand, would go a long way to help put and keep sensible laws and practices in place.

Remember, the average feminist is a moronic parrot; apply any logic and their argument falls apart (which is why they usually don't engage in debate, preferring instead to hurl insults).

Most people don't care to examine cause and effect in detail, nor should they, as they have their own lives to live and goals to pursue. However, if people are going to parrot a bunch of talking points, it would be great if at least they parrot the correct ones ("correct," as in grounded in reality).

Further, if some politician tries to promise something too good to be true, more people will be able to point it out.

Post: #6

I'm not sure how economics could be included. It is highly political. At best you could give a 'these are the competing economic theories' course.

Post: #7

I mentor some young men (uni to just after they get a bachelor degree). These are the things I reckon they should all learn:

- Personal finance: budgeting, expense management, savings, living within their means
- Efficient ways to do household chores
- Basic cooking skill
- Basic survival skill
- Lifting weights and basic athletic / bodyweight skill
- A team sport
- Dancing - solo and partner
- A second language

Post: #8

@OP You're missing the sciences. The greatest scientific discoveries were made by men who made analysis of a specific scientific field a personal interest and hobby. Tactics, great call on that one.

Add in
- Introductory Mathematics, Logic and Programming
- Philosophical ideas
- An overview of world religions from an anthropological standpoint
- English
It's the business language of the world. Learn to express your ideas properly and effectively speak your language. (In fairness, the five paragraph essay religion should be disbanded)

Post: #9

(11-14-2014 07:38 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  I mentor some young men (uni to just after they get a bachelor degree). These are the things I reckon they should all learn:

- Personal finance: budgeting, expense management, savings, living within their means
- Efficient ways to do household chores
- Basic cooking skill
- Basic survival skill
- Lifting weights and basic athletic / bodyweight skill
- A team sport
- Dancing - solo and partner
- A second language

How did you get into mentoring young men?

Dancing is a good idea.

(11-14-2014 08:16 PM)h3ltrsk3ltr Wrote:  @OP You're missing the sciences. The greatest scientific discoveries were made by men who made analysis of a specific scientific field a personal interest and hobby. Tactics, great call on that one.

Add in
- Introductory Mathematics, Logic and Programming
- Philosophical ideas
- An overview of world religions from an anthropological standpoint
- English
It's the business language of the world. Learn to express your ideas properly and effectively speak your language. (In fairness, the five paragraph essay religion should be disbanded)

Well sciences and maths are already part of most school curricula.

Post: #10

Trivium (grammar, logic, rhetoric)
Quadrivium (arithmetic, geometry, music, astronomy)
Foreign languages
Manual skills (wood / metal work, vehicle mechanics)
Sciences and engineering
Philosophy
Classic literature
Driving (should be an extended course to try to remove some of the idiots off the roads)
Fitness
Managing personal finances
Outdoor skills and an appreciation of nature

Post: #11

Economics, having an understanding of cause and effect and the law of compensation, appreciating/depreciating assets will improve different aspects of your livelihood as it can be used in most areas of life.

Game, it can sometimes be a big distraction and lead to a never-ending chase of women. But having an understanding of how the opposite sex works, would save potential years of stress. Not taking rejections personally etc again it can improve other areas of your life.

Martial arts, some form of fighting, although I can see the problems of having is taught to everyone on mass. It will help focus, concentration and fitness.

Philosophy, Nietzsche, Aristotle, self improvement advice.

Post: #12

Chess / strategy

Post: #13

How to speak in public and contribute to proceedings.
How to understand and live according to ethical principles, even if separate from religion.
Entrepreneurship (maybe outside of formal schooling, since it's not really an academic subject.

(11-14-2014 07:38 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  I mentor some young men (uni to just after they get a bachelor degree).

StrikeBack, can you tell us some more about this? Sounds interesting.

Post: #14

I'm working on a compilation of topics and study materials that promote manly and red pill ideologies in the form of a curriculum. I've been doing it for my own edification but if anyone wants to collaborate on a website and eventually a book I'm 100% in.

PM me if you're interested. Maybe we can use the 5 man fire team model.

Post: #15

Off the top of my head, I would set up four pillars or foundation points for personal development.
These four pillars are
1)Craftsmanship
2) Self Reliance
3) Physical Fitness
4) Compassion /Metaphysics

Example content for each pillar could be as follows:
1) Craftsmanship (skill)
-mastery in anyone of tool & dye making or electronics, computers, farming or plumbing or woodworking, engines & motors etc..
- outdoor survival skills (making fire, bushcraft, knotting, finding water,navigation, first aid etc)
-attention to detail & general care of skill & tool maintenance & mastery.

2)Self Reliance (attitude)
-logging of experiences which provide opportunities for self discovery & reflection.
-positive mentorship (pick the appropriate masters to learn & model from)
-learning 'game' (general definition here. Figuring out how seemingly complex situations can be broken down into simpler bite-size steps & feedback looping to attain intended result)

3)Physical Fitness
-bodyweight mastery
-free weights, cardio
-understanding of nutrition & meal planning
-how to incorporate recovery periods
-martial arts or sport specific fitness
-swimming

4) Compassion/Metaphysics
-understanding of positive social & human interaction mechanics.
-intellectual toolbox building & philosophy
-numeracy. logical thinking
-foreign languages & cultural exposure
-generally learning to not be an asshole (or be one & take the consequences anyway)
-Red Pill Truth & the Evils of Modern Feminism (but question things where you see fit)

Post: #16

My high school got rid of the carpentry and welding shop. It got rid of the automotive shop. In it's place they put in a motherfucking electronic music studio and a drama/dance studio.

Still pisses me off that I lost such a golden opportunity to pick up on practical skills like that at a younger age.

That should be taught to young men over some of the other suggestions here like philosophy and economics. Who wants to learn about crap like that before college? Fuck, you pick up on that stuff naturally as you go along in life. Give a young man a pile of wood and tell him to make a bookshelf or something- the feeling of accomplishment after doing that is worth way more than scoring a good grade in a philosophy exam at age 16 IMO.

Post: #17

^ I was thinking more along the lines of post-highschool knowledge. Economics is important and it doesn't just "come to you" as you go along. Philosophy is wasted on young kids anyway though.

Sorry to hear about the dance studio replacing the welding shop, that's bullshit.

Post: #18

Classical languages.

Post: #19

(11-15-2014 04:57 PM)komatiite Wrote:  That should be taught to young men over some of the other suggestions here like philosophy and economics. Who wants to learn about crap like that before college? Fuck, you pick up on that stuff naturally as you go along in life.

I disagree, you have no guarantee a young man will 'pick up' good philosophy from friends and relatives. Their philosophy might be 'everything bad happening to me is someone else's fault', for instance. I'd argue philosophy (at least the more practical side, not the esoteric side) is the most important thing for a man to have right.

(11-15-2014 08:09 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  Classical languages.

To what end?

Post: #20

(11-16-2014 02:51 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(11-15-2014 08:09 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  Classical languages.

To what end?

The only purpose I could think of for learning classical languages is to be able to read classic literature in its native text. It may form a useful foundation for learning more modern languages though!?

Post: #21

(11-16-2014 03:01 AM)Marmite Wrote:  

(11-16-2014 02:51 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(11-15-2014 08:09 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  Classical languages.

To what end?

The only purpose I could think of for learning classical languages is to be able to read classic literature in its native text. It may form a useful foundation for learning more modern languages though!?

There is something magical and intellectually stimulating about the study of Latin and Greek. Reading Homer et al in the language it was written is not the same as the translations.

Despite being tough, I look back more fondly on my 7 years of latin and greek at school than any of the other subjects I studied.

Perhaps this is romanticism on my part but inspiring young men to take an interest in classical history and its tales of supreme Alpha Male behaviour and the founding of Western civilisation can only be a good thing.

(Studying the Classics also quashes any notions of the widespread belief that the Abrahamic religions were somehow the cornerstone and origin of morality and civilised behaviour).

Post: #22

Developing of social intelligence to mastery.

Post: #23

^^ this

I was looking for something like this in the other posts. I would say to teach the ability to read people, recognize how their motivations affect their choices and behavior in conflict situations, meetings, group projects, etc. Teach them how develop a vision, then draw others into following that vision. Teach them how to handle power politics and negotiation. Teach them how to wheel and deal, and how to hustle.

There are plenty of ways to teach these skills in the form of games, model towns, Junior Achievement, community service, and of course, sports.

(11-16-2014 09:17 AM)boinerd Wrote:  Developing of social intelligence to mastery.

Post: #24

I'm kind of on the fence with this, but I think they should have boys only gym classes in school should be boys only. Once in a while there's some decent girls to flirt in class but so many times these girls drags the quality and competitiveness of the game down.

It's probably different around the world but at least in Canada most gym classes seem to be co-ed.