Post: #151

(11-15-2014 03:21 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  As I said multiple times before, our capitalist system profits and gets stronger from Feminism and liberalism. That is all corporations care about. Women having the right to be independent is a godsend for them:

1. Can deflate real incomes because they don't have to pay 1 worker enough to support a family of 4 anymore.
2. more workers competing for the same job , means they can pay less and get more productivity, which in turn:
3. More consumers to purchase their goods , giving them profit which in turn:
4. increases GNP and the revenue gov'ts bring in from both corporate and individual taxation.

In other words , all the venting and manoshere blogs might be a good read and make some of you money(Roosh for example) but they aren't going to amount to much because we aren't actually countering the real culprit.

It isn't feminists or SJW's(they are stupid victims who just don't know it) , it is the corporate elites and their government cronies that are profiting off this new system.

If you don't believe me, just look globally. The countries that the gov't controls the corporations have very little feminism or/and Social justice. China and Russia comes to mind. The countries that have it the most are the countries with the biggest corporate logo's working in combination with a democratic liberal govt. In other words a gov't that can be bought , lobbied and deposed of when needed.

You want change. Start a lobby in Washington. Contact corporations threatening boycotts. Men own most assets so ultimately men actually could win the war if we actually organized.
Problem is unlike women, mn aren't going to get powerful sponsors. The opposite: the corporate giants and richest men will want a manosphere movement to fail.

The unfair irony of it all is that the rich and powerful in their private life can totally degrade women if they want. They have anti feminist mistresses , etc. And when they lose a few billion in a divorce , it is tiny price to pay for them.

I don't agree with all of this(but some of it I do.) I think there are plenty of examples of socialist European countries where feminism thrives much more than it does here in the US. Sweden for example. In many cases it's not the type of government but rather the wealth and prosperity of a country that determines how much of this PC nonsense there is. Radical feminism, pansexuality, transphobic speech police are the result of a comfortable society of people that no longer face any genuine struggles. Is there none of this in North Korea because the corporations are owned by the government? Or are people just too preoccupied with not starving to death to worry about if their favorite sitcom star uttered a transphobic slur? I suppose the case can be made that if North Korea had more free enterprise like South Korea, the people would live more comfortably and thus free up some mental energy to take on microaggressions and sexist T-Shirts.

I don't think it's so much that components of feminism directly make corporations profits and that that is what drives them to support it. I think that since a company's prime motivation is to make money, they want to avoid any kind of bad publicity that might negatively affect their brand(such as appearing misogynist, racist, etc) which then would risk reduced profits. Companies don't take political risks unless they think it could benefit their image and brand by doing so. PR is almost everything now for a company in a Western country. One offensive joke, or donation to a politically incorrect cause by a CEO and he's toast(just look at Mozilla.) Who is going to risk that?

There was a time when they cared less about being PC, mainly because society didn't care about it(they had more important things to deal with.) Part of the ironic appeal of the show "Mad Men" is that people(even liberals) fantasize about living in a time when people could work in a company without sexual harassment seminars, sensitivity training etc. and other PC bullshit, where they could crack jokes and drink at the office without being fired or sued(even though the show itself seems unaware that this is the appeal as we are constantly reminded how "unenlightened" those ignorant men were that won two world wars and built our modern civilization.)

I think what you describe actually fits more with free trade, outsourcing and immigration. These things are supported because they do directly fuel profits for the elites, and as corporations care more about profits than anything, they are willing to embrace those elements at the expense of whatever short or long term side effects they have on their country, it's culture, and the people. In nationalistic, primitive religious or homogenized countries those elements seem to take precedence over transnational corporate profits.

Give any wealthy country a REAL crisis and all this SJW crap goes out the window. It's the product of a people with too much time on their hands and no real legitimate struggle going on in their lives.

Post: #152

(11-15-2014 07:11 PM)Badamson Wrote:  

(11-15-2014 03:21 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  As I said multiple times before, our capitalist system profits and gets stronger from Feminism and liberalism. That is all corporations care about. Women having the right to be independent is a godsend for them:

1. Can deflate real incomes because they don't have to pay 1 worker enough to support a family of 4 anymore.
2. more workers competing for the same job , means they can pay less and get more productivity, which in turn:
3. More consumers to purchase their goods , giving them profit which in turn:
4. increases GNP and the revenue gov'ts bring in from both corporate and individual taxation.

In other words , all the venting and manoshere blogs might be a good read and make some of you money(Roosh for example) but they aren't going to amount to much because we aren't actually countering the real culprit.

It isn't feminists or SJW's(they are stupid victims who just don't know it) , it is the corporate elites and their government cronies that are profiting off this new system.

If you don't believe me, just look globally. The countries that the gov't controls the corporations have very little feminism or/and Social justice. China and Russia comes to mind. The countries that have it the most are the countries with the biggest corporate logo's working in combination with a democratic liberal govt. In other words a gov't that can be bought , lobbied and deposed of when needed.

You want change. Start a lobby in Washington. Contact corporations threatening boycotts. Men own most assets so ultimately men actually could win the war if we actually organized.
Problem is unlike women, mn aren't going to get powerful sponsors. The opposite: the corporate giants and richest men will want a manosphere movement to fail.

The unfair irony of it all is that the rich and powerful in their private life can totally degrade women if they want. They have anti feminist mistresses , etc. And when they lose a few billion in a divorce , it is tiny price to pay for them.

I don't agree with all of this(but some of it I do.) I think there are plenty of examples of socialist European countries where feminism thrives much more than it does here in the US. Sweden for example. In many cases it's not the type of government but rather the wealth and prosperity of a country that determines how much of this PC nonsense there is. Radical feminism, pansexuality, transphobic speech police are the result of a comfortable society of people that no longer face any genuine struggles. Is there none of this in North Korea because the corporations are owned by the government? Or are people just too preoccupied with not starving to death to worry about if their favorite sitcom star uttered a transphobic slur? I suppose the case can be made that if North Korea had more free enterprise like South Korea, the people would live more comfortably and thus free up some mental energy to take on microaggressions and sexist T-Shirts.

I don't think it's so much that components of feminism directly make corporations profits and that that is what drives them to support it. I think that since a company's prime motivation is to make money, they want to avoid any kind of bad publicity that might negatively affect their brand(such as appearing misogynist, racist, etc) which then would risk reduced profits. Companies don't take political risks unless they think it could benefit their image and brand by doing so. PR is almost everything now for a company in a Western country. One offensive joke, or donation to a politically incorrect cause by a CEO and he's toast(just look at Mozilla.) Who is going to risk that?

There was a time when they cared less about being PC, mainly because society didn't care about it(they had more important things to deal with.) Part of the ironic appeal of the show "Mad Men" is that people(even liberals) fantasize about living in a time when people could work in a company without sexual harassment seminars, sensitivity training etc. and other PC bullshit, where they could crack jokes and drink at the office without being fired or sued(even though the show itself seems unaware that this is the appeal as we are constantly reminded how "unenlightened" those ignorant men were that won two world wars and built our modern civilization.)

I think what you describe actually fits more with free trade, outsourcing and immigration. These things are supported because they do directly fuel profits for the elites, and as corporations care more about profits than anything, they are willing to embrace those elements at the expense of whatever short or long term side effects they have on their country, it's culture, and the people. It nationalistic, primitive religious or homogenized countries those elements seem to take precedence over transnational corporate profits.

Give any wealthy country a REAL crisis and all this SJW crap goes out the window. It's the product of a people with too much time on their hands and no real legitimate struggle going on in their lives.

I agree with you but it probably thrives there do to the socialist safety nets that allow it to.

Yes in a real crisis it all goes out the window. I stil remember scared women who were afraid to go out right after sept 11. Madmax and the post zombie world is certainly a cure but that isn't the type of world i want to live in lol.

Post: #153

(11-15-2014 03:21 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  I know we all like to vent and stuff but we can't loose sight that feminists(SJW'S) are being used also. Even the old hardcore feminists who started the movement are unhappy.

The 1% who runs the western world and controls our gov't support feminism and are their biggest champions for it. Like most things it comes down to MONEY.

As I said multiple times before, our capitalist system profits and gets stronger from Feminism and liberalism. That is all corporations care about. Women having the right to be independent is a godsend for them:

1. Can deflate real incomes because they don't have to pay 1 worker enough to support a family of 4 anymore.
2. more workers competing for the same job , means they can pay less and get more productivity, which in turn:
3. More consumers to purchase their goods , giving them profit which in turn:
4. increases GNP and the revenue gov'ts bring in from both corporate and individual taxation.

In other words , all the venting and manoshere blogs might be a good read and make some of you money(Roosh for example) but they aren't going to amount to much because we aren't actually countering the real culprit.

It isn't feminists or SJW's(they are stupid victims who just don't know it) , it is the corporate elites and their government cronies that are profiting off this new system.

If you don't believe me, just look globally. The countries that the gov't controls the corporations have very little feminism or/and Social justice. China and Russia comes to mind. The countries that have it the most are the countries with the biggest corporate logo's working in combination with a democratic liberal govt. In other words a gov't that can be bought , lobbied and deposed of when needed.

You want change. Start a lobby in Washington. Contact corporations threatening boycotts. Men own most assets so ultimately men actually could win the war if we actually organized.
Problem is unlike women, mn aren't going to get powerful sponsors. The opposite: the corporate giants and richest men will want a manosphere movement to fail.

The unfair irony of it all is that the rich and powerful in their private life can totally degrade women if they want. They have anti feminist mistresses , etc. And when they lose a few billion in a divorce , it is tiny price to pay for them.

We also know the lower class doesn't get hurt by feminism since ghetto thugs slap their women with impunity and the justice system can't touch them economically.

It is middle class that suffers.

He should be our hero. He only apologized because his job/legacy was threatened. In other words it was blackmail.

Russia controls it's corporations? I'm pretty sure the wealth disparity between Russia's corporations and its citizens is just as large, if not larger, than the disparity between America's corporations and its citizens.

Empowering the government to control the corporations has a nasty habit of backfiring. How can you trust those in power?

I support tariffs, but giving the government the power to manipulate corporations outside of that has not proven to be effective.

Case in point, when the American government broke up Rockerfeller's monopoly into several smaller corporations, it made him richer than he could have possibly dreamed of.

Post: #154

(11-15-2014 06:04 PM)Badamson Wrote:  Amazing Atheist had a good take on this. I don't agree with this guy on a lot of issues, but he's great on feminism and PC police related stuff.

Thunderfoot, another famous youtube atheist, has also commented on this.

Post: #155

(11-15-2014 07:18 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  [quote='Badamson' pid='880955' dateline='1416096695']
[quote='jimukr104' pid='880767' dateline='1416082868']


I agree with you but it probably thrives there do to the socialist safety nets that allow it to.

Yes in a real crisis it all goes out the window. I stil remember scared women who were afraid to go out right after sept 11. Madmax and the post zombie world is certainly a cure but that isn't the type of world i want to live in lol.

Good point about the socialist safety nets. Yeah, when I was a kid in the early 80's and we still had nuclear fallout shelter drills in school, pretty much every kid I knew took it as a given there would be a nuclear war by like, 1993. I've always thought the fantasy of living in a post apocalyptic wasteland like Dawn Of The Dead(70's version) or Fallout 3 was pretty cool, until I stopped and realize I probably wouldn't get to be one of the survivors since I live in a major city.

Post: #156

(11-15-2014 07:22 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-15-2014 03:21 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  I know we all like to vent and stuff but we can't loose sight that feminists(SJW'S) are being used also. Even the old hardcore feminists who started the movement are unhappy.

The 1% who runs the western world and controls our gov't support feminism and are their biggest champions for it. Like most things it comes down to MONEY.

As I said multiple times before, our capitalist system profits and gets stronger from Feminism and liberalism. That is all corporations care about. Women having the right to be independent is a godsend for them:

1. Can deflate real incomes because they don't have to pay 1 worker enough to support a family of 4 anymore.
2. more workers competing for the same job , means they can pay less and get more productivity, which in turn:
3. More consumers to purchase their goods , giving them profit which in turn:
4. increases GNP and the revenue gov'ts bring in from both corporate and individual taxation.

In other words , all the venting and manoshere blogs might be a good read and make some of you money(Roosh for example) but they aren't going to amount to much because we aren't actually countering the real culprit.

It isn't feminists or SJW's(they are stupid victims who just don't know it) , it is the corporate elites and their government cronies that are profiting off this new system.

If you don't believe me, just look globally. The countries that the gov't controls the corporations have very little feminism or/and Social justice. China and Russia comes to mind. The countries that have it the most are the countries with the biggest corporate logo's working in combination with a democratic liberal govt. In other words a gov't that can be bought , lobbied and deposed of when needed.

You want change. Start a lobby in Washington. Contact corporations threatening boycotts. Men own most assets so ultimately men actually could win the war if we actually organized.
Problem is unlike women, mn aren't going to get powerful sponsors. The opposite: the corporate giants and richest men will want a manosphere movement to fail.

The unfair irony of it all is that the rich and powerful in their private life can totally degrade women if they want. They have anti feminist mistresses , etc. And when they lose a few billion in a divorce , it is tiny price to pay for them.

We also know the lower class doesn't get hurt by feminism since ghetto thugs slap their women with impunity and the justice system can't touch them economically.

It is middle class that suffers.

He should be our hero. He only apologized because his job/legacy was threatened. In other words it was blackmail.

Russia controls it's corporations? I'm pretty sure the wealth disparity between Russia's corporations and its citizens is just as large, if not larger, than the disparity between America's corporations and its citizens.

Empowering the government to control the corporations has a nasty habit of backfiring. How can you trust those in power?

I support tariffs, but giving the government the power to manipulate corporations outside of that has not proven to be effective.

Case in point, when the American government broke up Rockerfeller's monopoly into several smaller corporations, it made him richer than he could have possibly dreamed of.

No one is saying Russia has a better economy, etc with less income equality.

What we are saying is that they don't allow their corporate capitalist leaders to influence politics. That was the cornerstone of Putins agreement when he came into power. Before that it was becoming more liberal, well up until Kosovo anyway. That means they can't shape culture, trends, are lobby for laws that go against the gov't that will control the population socially.

Is that better? not saying the gov't will do a better job..but without a corporate conglomerate in charge that only purpose is profit of course who wants more workers with equality and more consumers with equal purchasing power.

Not arguing that capitalism makes countries richer..obviously they do. But that means you will also have the feminist lobbying for rights and the corporations will support them thus making the laws and safety nets being set up.

ps--this isn't a continuation of the Ukraine thread. I used Russia as an example and China. I suppose in a real democracy where EVERYONE votes and there was no outside influence even America would be anti feminist culture. A popular democracy means the majority rules. Obviously since most men dislike feminism and half of women dislike it..it could never exist in a true popular democracy from the start..without the brainwashing that came later to future generations.

Lets look at other issues of corporations controlling the gov't against the will of the people.
1. copyright laws. Majority have said they don't see anything wrong with downloading but corporations are actually writing up laws and handing them in to be voted on. Could we write a law and submit it to be taken seriously demanding women wear skirts everyday? no we can't but...
2. FDA and drugs. Majority of people want freedom to buy what they want. Companies don't want that so they told the gov't that. Not sure if you realize but medicare part D (drug plan) was set up to slow the trend of seniors buying drugs outside USA. Even city gov'ts (NYC) planned on buying from Canada.

Post: #157

I think it just may be impossible to have a perfect political system. At some level, we must choose acceptable evils. Which tradeoff's are best? There's no way to know for sure. No one can predict the future.

I mean, who thought that defeating Hitler would result in cultural decline so bad many WW2 veterans have actually regretted fighting in WW2?

It's the eternal problem of humanity. Too many of us are evil and willing to betray.

Post: #158

(11-15-2014 07:29 PM)Badamson Wrote:  

(11-15-2014 07:18 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  [quote='Badamson' pid='880955' dateline='1416096695']
[quote='jimukr104' pid='880767' dateline='1416082868']


I agree with you but it probably thrives there do to the socialist safety nets that allow it to.

Yes in a real crisis it all goes out the window. I stil remember scared women who were afraid to go out right after sept 11. Madmax and the post zombie world is certainly a cure but that isn't the type of world i want to live in lol.

Good point about the socialist safety nets. Yeah, when I was a kid in the early 80's and we still had nuclear fallout shelter drills in school, pretty much every kid I knew took it as a given there would be a nuclear war by like, 1993. I've always thought the fantasy of living in a post apocalyptic wasteland like Dawn Of The Dead(70's version) or Fallout 3 was pretty cool, until I stopped and realize I probably wouldn't get to be one of the survivors since I live in a major city.

Tell me about it. They stopped the drills because it was realized it was just to feel better about things.

Here is 1 sentence proving feminism is a delusional made up thing:

If women are equal then why do they need MEN to protect/respect their rights? Answer--because they aren't equal lol.

Post: #159

(11-15-2014 07:10 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(11-15-2014 03:21 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  I know we all like to vent and stuff but we can't loose sight that feminists(SJW'S) are being used also. Even the old hardcore feminists who started the movement are unhappy.

I was a kid when the Second Wave Feminists were doing their thing, complaining about the evil patriarchy, rape culture, victim blaming, sexual double standards, the glass ceiling, the tyranny of makeup, female objectification and the wage gap. They flashed their tits and swore a lot to protest their oppression. They were going to end sexism, racism and homophobia, and destroy all societal inequality. They said feminism was the radical notion that women were human beings, and that if women ran the world, there would be no wars. They called pretty women 'shallow' and 'bitches' and were lead by uniformly-unattractive lesbians.

By the time I was 20, they were all in their 40's: never married and bitter / divorced and bitter / single parents and bitter / or had rediscovered their femininity and married dominant, successful men. Many of them were struggling with fertility problems to have their children they put off having in their physical prime.

So, there I was in my 20's, in University amongst the emerging Third Wave Feminists, all doing their thing, complaining about the evil patriarchy, rape culture, victim blaming, sexual double standards, the glass ceiling, the tyranny of makeup, female objectification and the wage gap. They flashed their tits and swore a lot to protest their oppression. They were going to end sexism, racism and homophobia, and destroy all societal inequality. They said feminism was the radical notion that women were human beings, and that if women ran the world, there would be no wars. They called pretty women 'shallow' and 'bitches' and were led by uniformly-unattractive lesbians.

Now I'm in 40's, and those third wave feminists are also in their 40's: never married and bitter / divorced and bitter / single parents and bitter / or had rediscovered their femininity and married dominant, successful men. Many of them were struggling with fertility problems to have their children they put off having in their physical prime.

Now I'm watching the fourth Wave feminists all doing their thing, complaining about the evil patriarchy, rape culture, victim blaming, sexual double standards, the glass ceiling, the tyranny of makeup, female objectification and the wage gap. They flashed their tits and swore a lot to protest their oppression. They were going to end sexism, racism and homophobia, and destroy all societal inequality. They said feminism was the radical notion that women were human beings, and that if women ran the world, there would be no wars. They called pretty women 'shallow' and 'bitches' and were lead by uniformly-unattractive lesbians.

Dear Fourth Wave Feminism: do you know what the definition of insanity is?

Would be a great RoK article. A warning of sorts.

Post: #160

Quote:There was a time when they cared less about being PC, mainly because society didn't care about it(they had more important things to deal with.) Part of the ironic appeal of the show "Mad Men" is that people(even liberals) fantasize about living in a time when people could work in a company without sexual harassment seminars, sensitivity training etc. and other PC bullshit, where they could crack jokes and drink at the office without being fired or sued(even though the show itself seems unaware that this is the appeal as we are constantly reminded how "unenlightened" those ignorant men were that won two world wars and built our modern civilization.)

Awesome analysis of the show btw.

Post: #161

(11-15-2014 08:07 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Would be a great RoK article. A warning of sorts.

Trust me, they'd never hear it because, obviously, I'm lying.

Post: #162

Fun reading here:

https://twitter.com/roseveleth/status/53...3829565440

She's overwhelmingly getting slammed by the internet. If I was on one of my Win7/8 workstations with Snipping Tool I'd post screenies, but alas...

Post: #163

(11-15-2014 09:05 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  Fun reading here:

https://twitter.com/roseveleth/status/53...3829565440

She's overwhelmingly getting slammed by the internet. If I was on one of my Win7/8 workstations with Snipping Tool I'd post screenies, but alas...

Hilarious. And she wants to "move on" now that she realizes there is a world beyond her echo chamber and a large % of people think she is a useless cunt.

Post: #164

Wait, so this guy built something that went into SPACE and LANDED on a COMET?

He could wear a birthday suit for all I care.

People should let him have his moment of glory without criticizing his shirt.

Post: #165

Quintus Curtius

Great post, I agree and certainly understand where you are coming from. Veloce's response pretty much sums up my POV.

As someone who was exposed to the red pill later in life, I can understand people like Matt Taylor. I found this place by chance last January when I came across Lindy West's article on Gawker/Jezebel about not being able to fit into an airplane seat, googled her name, and found Roosh's article. That was my red pill moment. I didn't know there was a whole community of people who fought against the tide of feminist thought. I was instinctively anti-feminist and red pill, but in our culture it had become the norm.

So to some people, it is just natural to apologize when people are offended. They don't realize they don't have to. Some people just need to have their red pill moment.

Post: #166

The shirt I wore yesterday. I was called out on it several times and didn't apologize for it and people just backed off.

Post: #167

(11-15-2014 11:05 PM)iamdegaussed Wrote:  

The shirt I wore yesterday. I was called out on it several times and didn't apologize for it and people just backed off.

Great idea. I'm gonna pick up a couple

Post: #168

We now have the official dress-code for RooshVforum members' meetings : wear a bright shirt with half-naked hot women on it, under an 8-ball jacket, and preferably with a fur-hat...

/thread-42173-...#pid880045

Post: #169

Post: #170

(11-15-2014 11:31 PM)Going strong Wrote:  We now have the official dress-code for RooshVforum members' meetings : wear a bright shirt with half-naked hot women on it, under an 8-ball jacket, and preferably with a fur-hat...

/thread-42173-...#pid880045

   

Post: #171

(11-15-2014 11:57 PM)Sombro Wrote:  

(11-15-2014 11:31 PM)Going strong Wrote:  We now have the official dress-code for RooshVforum members' meetings : wear a bright shirt with half-naked hot women on it, under an 8-ball jacket, and preferably with a fur-hat...

/thread-42173-...#pid880045

If I were the "accused" male scientist, I would have come to "apologize" in front of the media, just like that: wearing the 8-ball jacket complete with fur-hat, and mid-interview, because of the heat, I would have opened the jacket to reveal underneath another, even more "offensive", brightly-colored shirt...

Post: #172

   

Post: #173

(11-15-2014 03:19 PM)kbell Wrote:  http://www.alohaland.com/whats-new/new-gunner-girls

The shirt is sold out. I wonder how popular the shirt will get?

I haven't worn a Hawaiian shirt in about 15 years. If this is ever in stock, I may have to enter this into my casual rotation.

Post: #174

(11-15-2014 11:57 PM)Sombro Wrote:  

(11-15-2014 11:31 PM)Going strong Wrote:  We now have the official dress-code for RooshVforum members' meetings : wear a bright shirt with half-naked hot women on it, under an 8-ball jacket, and preferably with a fur-hat...

/thread-42173-...#pid880045

Now my avatar.

Post: #175

"I suggest you take a good, hard look at yourself."

"I have. Everyone has. They love it."

Dunno how many of your remember the "Australian party kid" from 2008, but this is how you handle the media pressuring you into apologizing. Matt Taylor should have taken lessons from this kid.