Post: #1

Matt Taylor, a scientist with a Ph.D in physics that has actually contributed to humanity might become the latest victim of the cultural witch hunt:

http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/13/72138...k-progress

Quote:Yesterday the European Space Agency landed the Philae spacecraft on a comet, a powerful step forward for humanity and science alike. However, slightly before the big moment, coverage of the event reminded us how much progress remains to be accomplished back on Earth.

A number of the scientists involved on this incredible project were interviewed in the hours leading to contact by Nature Newsteam. One of those Rosetta scientists was Matt Taylor, who chose to dress, for this special occasion, in a bowling shirt covered in scantly clad caricatures of sexy women in provocative poses.

"This is going to be a very long day but a very exciting day," said Taylor. "I think everyone should enjoy it because we're making history."

No one knows why Taylor chose to wear that shirt on television during a massive scientific mission. From what we can tell, a woman who goes by the name of Elly Prizeman on Twitter made the shirt for him, and is just as bewildered as he must be that anyone might be upset about her creation. But none of that actually matters. What matters is the fact that no one at ESA saw fit to stop him from representing the Space community with clothing that demeans 50 percent of the world's population. No one asked him to take it off, because presumably they didn't think about it. It wasn't worth worrying about.

This is the sort of casual misogyny that stops women from entering certain scientific fields. They see a guy like that on TV and they don't feel welcome. They see a poster of greased up women in a colleague's office and they know they aren't respected. They hear comments about "bitches" while out at a bar with fellow science students, and they decide to change majors. And those are the women who actually make it that far.

Those are the few who persevered even when they were discouraged from pursuing degrees in physics, chemistry, and math throughout high school. These are the women who forged on despite the fact that they were told by elementary school classmates and the media at large that girls who like science are nerdy and unattractive.

This is the climate women who dream of working at NASA or the ESA come up against, every single day. This shirt is representative of all of that, whether Taylor meant it to be or not.

Scientist in question:



Do you think we have reached a point where even if you contribute to humanity in big ways like this guy, a twitter mob of poetry majors with available wifi can actually destroy your legacy? I truly hope this man does not lose his job but even if he is forced to do some phony apology, I will be very disappointed.

Post: #2

this cant go in the thread already made about the comet landing?

Post: #3

(11-14-2014 02:04 AM)spokepoker Wrote:  this cant go in the thread already made about the comet landing?

I haven't seen any threads on this topic. Care to link?

Post: #4

Even astrophysicists are getting full sleeve tattoos now.

Post: #5

(11-14-2014 02:07 AM)Mr West Wrote:  I haven't seen any threads on this topic. Care to link?

/thread-42298.html
it was lower on the front page.

Post: #6

(11-14-2014 02:20 AM)spokepoker Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 02:07 AM)Mr West Wrote:  I haven't seen any threads on this topic. Care to link?

/thread-42298.html
it was lower on the front page.

I checked the thread and is actually about the mission and not this tantrum by the feminist. No idea what the mods might want to do but I feel this deserves a separate thread.

Post: #7

Interesting series of comments in the comment section:

Quote:I totally agree that this shirt is everything but beautiful.

I do understand the viewpoint the authors come from. However, ‘misogyny’ is being used without having any idea whether this man actually has a prejudice, or dislike towards women.
Apparently the shirt was created by a woman, and for all we know, this man’s girlfriend or wife said he should wear it on that day. What I’m trying to say is that there are a whole lot of assumptions being made based on this person’s choice of a shirt without knowing any context whatsoever. Another assumption could be, I do not know as I’m not a woman, that not all women will find such a shirt demeaning or offensive.

Maddox makes an argument about the Milo Manara Spiderwoman variant cover that was apparently controversial. It could be that some of these arguments apply to the person in the controversial shirt too, we do not know, since we are lacking context.
The video is nevertheless fairly awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB6TiRJNI-Q

Okay.

Response:

Quote:Maddox shouldn’t be your benchmark of good arguments, especially when he’s defending sexist mass market cover art penned by an artist best known for porn. Doubly so when the argument he presents is that awful. Maddox should keep to making fun of children and the elderly.

This comment assumes the conclusion they want to reach.

Quote:It’s like GG telling people to read up on facts over at KnowYourMeme.

Where did you get your opinion on #GamerGate? MSNBC? PuffHo? Slate? Look in the fucking mirror.

Commentary takes a turn for the interesting, with the OP rebutting the last post:

Quote:No, not going to fall for this one… ‘it could be that’ is not equal to ‘this is the authority…’
Thank you for talking my comment out of context and replying to a select part for ‘bashing’.
I was sincerely trying to present a balanced different viewpoint, without the intention to disregard other viewpoints.

On a side note, which I will not be surprised to see being taken out of context, I’ve seen at least a few comments, supposedly from women, who state that they are not offended by this shirt.
VSorcesseres said: ‘I am not offended by the shirt. In fact, when I saw the article I looked at the shirt and said "interesting shirt. ".’ (down in the comments)

Also in a different life because I don’t have that much time to waste, I would love to see you point out where this video of Maddox is an "awful" argument. I wonder whether you can find holes in his arguments, or fallacies. Yes, he does not paint the whole picture, on both sides of the story, much the same as this The Verge article, because then it would be called ‘informative’, rather than ‘persuasive’ or an opinion article such as this one. So it makes perfect sense based on his specific purpose that he may have taken a standpoint you do not agree with, which is fine. It makes for a diverse world.

and perhaps, rather than continue to argue in the comments, perhaps do a few grad-level courses in Gender-studies such as me.

This leads a future Nobel Prize winner to comment:

Quote:…you know, using a couple of women as a shield doesn’t suddenly make something not sexist…yes, there will be women who don’t think it’s sexist. And there are black people who don’t find many racist things racist.

So what?

Then somebody with the handle of "turbofrog" makes a number of good points that refute the idiocy surrounding the "sexism," "misogyny" and blah, blah blab about the shirt:

Quote:So I guess the question is, what proportion of people need to be offended by it to make it a legitimate issue?

Is it just 1 person? If one person finds something sexist, or racist, or ageist, or ableist, or classist, or homophobic, or gendernormative, or anything else, does that mean that it is a universal issue?

Because in principle I truly agree that at a certain point it doesn’t matter whether someone is "right" or "wrong" to be offended by something, and that wilfully perpetuating the behaviour that offends them makes you a bit of a bully…but there has to be something more to it than that, isn’t there?

Can and should the whole subjective experience of humanity be reduced to whoever shouts the loudest?

I’m not defending the shirt (man, in how many internet arguments can you unironically say that?) but I’m trying to broaden the scope of this discussion a little bit, because I’m genuinely curious.

If the woman who made the shirt doesn’t think it’s objectifying, and the man who wears it doesn’t think it’s objectifying, and the team of his male and female peers don’t think it’s objectifying (to be determined)…does one outside opinion invalidate all of that?

And let’s be clear, the content of the shirt is not unambiguously evil. It’s not steeped in the same kind of deeply hurtful lore that’s associated with blackface, or other horrific stereotyping that has been brought up elsewhere on this page. There are many women who enjoy sexual depictions of female bodies, and from what little can be seen from the women on his shirt, they seem to be in positions of power. Yes, they are sexualized – but is it wrong for a woman to be sexualized? Is all sexualization inherently objectifying?

I’m really, really not trying to be obtuse here, and I don’t think that you should just handwave them away. We’re all just complex people here, trying to co-exist. I don’t like being a bully as much as I don’t like being bullied.

As a side note, check out MisquitoControl in the comments. Here is a gem:

Quote:Yup, "isms" are about power. You can’t truly be racist against white people, especially since nothing is institutionalized against them.

And you can’t really be sexist against men. One incident has nothing compared to the way society is set up in favor of us.

If you think everything in life revolves around power, I have a Wiki entry you should read up on: you know, to educate yourself.

Post: #8

(11-14-2014 02:02 AM)Mr West Wrote:  Do you think we have reached a point where even if you contribute to humanity in big ways like this guy, a twitter mob of poetry majors with available wifi can actually destroy your legacy? I truly hope this man does not lose his job but even if he is forced to do some phony apology, I will be very disappointed.

I explained this about mid way through this post from a while back:

/thread-35041-...#pid701748

Post: #9

It basically illustrates the point of feminism and liberalism in general - artificial empowerment of the inferior. "This person is smarter than me but I can tell him what to wear and make him squirm!"

Post: #10

Just caught this article on the Yahoo! news page before reading this thread.
All i'm reading here is some feminist Victim Card carrier (what else is new?) hijacking a momentous achievement to blow the same tired bullhorn about misogyny & being offended.
What an insult to the actual women of science who've made concrete contributions.
Someone go cry her a fucking river while i celebrate this milestone with the other rational ones.

Post: #11

Two thoughts.

Firstly, in the immortal words of "Chopper": "Beethoven had his critics too, Keithy, see if you can name three of them. That's right, you can't." These guys put a giant piece of complex machinery on a flying space rock. Their critics write about the shirt one of them was wearing. Forest...trees... LOL

Secondly, let's say they manage to make the field of astrophysics suitably diverse, welcoming and all the rest of it. Then, when American astrophysics consequently can't launch a paper aeroplane across the office, and the Chinese, Indians or someone else are colonising Mars, write to them about how un-PC they are and see whether they give three fifths of five eighths of sod all or only two fifths of four eighths of sod all about the opinion of some silly mole with a wimminz studies major.

Post: #12

(11-14-2014 02:08 AM)Vroom Wrote:  Even astrophysicists are getting full sleeve tattoos now.

The tattoos are of whacked out science fiction and horror movies type things, dude even got a tattoo of the comet probe...while wearing a cannibal corpse T-shirt.

he's my kind of people.

Post: #13

(11-14-2014 05:19 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 02:08 AM)Vroom Wrote:  Even astrophysicists are getting full sleeve tattoos now.

...while wearing a cannibal corpse T-shirt.

he's my kind of people.

Me too. I'd buy him a beer!

Post: #14

It's amazing how eloquently these 'journalists' compose the most idiotic, mindless articles.

Quote:One of those Rosetta scientists was Matt Taylor, who chose to dress, for this special occasion, in a bowling shirt covered in scantly clad caricatures of sexy women in provocative poses.

Because, you little brat, this is a free country thanks to the hordes of MEN that died defending your right to insolently regurgitate a $150k worth of liberal arts word salad. You don't like my shirt? I should slap the piss out of you and make you wear this shirt and call me daddy for the rest of the week. Hmm...not a bad idea.

Quote:No one knows why Taylor chose to wear that shirt on television during a massive scientific mission.

Because he wanted to, stupid.

Quote:What matters is the fact that no one at ESA saw fit to stop him from representing the Space community with clothing that demeans 50 percent of the world's population. No one asked him to take it off, because presumably they didn't think about it. It wasn't worth worrying about.

Oh, that's what matters, eh? That's the real burning issue, is it?

Clothing that demeans 50 percent of the world's population? What could be more demeaning to women than to suggest they're so fragile and in need of protection as to have to demand that men take off their shirts because a girl doesn't like it.

You know what else demeans 50 percent of the world's population? Sending our boys to war in Crapistan, and for what? To defend this cunt's ability to push a man-destroying agenda? So they can come back with a leg missing and have to hear from some shrill, overweight 'reporter' that the shirt he's wearing insults somebody because it has some tits on it?

Quote:This is the sort of casual misogyny that stops women from entering certain scientific fields. They see a guy like that on TV and they don't feel welcome. They see a poster of greased up women in a colleague's office and they know they aren't respected. They hear comments about "bitches" while out at a bar with fellow science students, and they decide to change majors. And those are the women who actually make it that far.

Awww...dey don't feeuh wehw-cum. They aren't respected. Awww. That's because they AREN'T welcome and they AREN'T respected unless they earn it, just like every man has to earn it. But they don't want to have to earn it. They want to be given it for free. And they want men to take it from other men and give it to them with force. That's what these bitches want.

Quote:These are the women who forged on despite the fact that they were told by elementary school classmates and the media at large that girls who like science are nerdy and unattractive.

True story: I banged a HOT research scientist chick in Bangkok. She was very feminine and didn't have any chip on her shoulder. Why? Because nobody gives a rat's ass about "women's rights" in Thailand. You want a job? Go fucking work for it. You want respect? Go fucking earn it. You want to feel welcome in a field ruled by men? Too bad, life doesn't work that way. Grow up and deal with it.

What this 'reporter' is saying underneath the cliche femi-garbage is "I waaaant it! Get it for meeeee. Pweeeease!" What's scary is just how successful women have been in getting the government (you know, that big scary monster who has a monopoly on force and incarceration?) to institute and enforce laws that punish men for any kind of vague 'trigger' behavior.

Post: #15

We are now approaching the time where everyone will be wearing velour tracksuits so not offended everyone or to distinguish differences in the sexes. (A la gender neutral clothing).

Articles like this delve deep into the psyche of the authoritarian lefts mentality. This is unregulated/unauthorized clothing etc. parroting

"you cant"

"Sexist"

"Misogynist"

Yet I'll guarantee the same "journalist" would talk about how empowering an obese woman wearing fishnets and clown make up is brave and "smashing the patriarchy tm" when she goes for a job interview/on the bus/marching for the rights of otherkins/sandwiches.

These "radicals" are mentally ill and dangerous on so many levels and are churned out by Academia in their thousands every year.

Post: #16

That shirt is awesome. And there are some solid rebuttals in the comments on the article.

You will never convince the SJW gender ideologues, but by exposing their idiocy and ridiculous ideas you can reach the marginal and undecided people out there.

It should always be pointed out that if one shirt can make a woman avoid a science field, she obviously didn't want to be part of it enough.

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold

Post: #17

A woman made that shirt for him.

She's been defending him on twitter.

If a shirt stops people from entering STEM, they never had the aptitude, intelligence nor fortitude to enter STEM.

I'm glad the OP made a separate topic for this.

Post: #18

Feminism has now devolved to the point where these women are like the old "Saturday Night Live" skit, "The Church Lady."

For those of you too young to know about this, "The Church Lady" was a routine comedian Dana Carvey did in the '80s about a fictional religious woman who judged everyone for anything that appeared overly sexual. In this clip, she's shaming the guy in The Cars for his pants.

This is feminism now!!

Post: #19

Fucking cunt has the nerve to criticize him. She is worth less to society than his middle finger.

Post: #20

I want to interview a bunch of female STEM dropouts and ask them if Matt Taylor's shirt was the straw that broke the camel's back and made them take up English majors.

Post: #21

The only thing that matters now is how this guy handles it.

I assume a man who's caked up in tattoos and dresses in ridiculous shirts like that knows that he is valuable to Nasa. Chances are Nasa will politely tell him to tone it down, and he'll continue on doing as he pleases.

If he apologizes though, it will make his legacy seem lame. If he troops on through, by ignoring these SJW's, I'm sure people will grow to respect him and fuck off - feminists included.

Post: #22

SJW's are increasingly showing themselves to be religious fanatics.

"Men must not speak to women on the street"
"Our feelings about a subject are more important than groundbreaking science"

I believe this is not the first time these kind of statements have been made.

Post: #23

I'll never be that smart to work for NASA in some important function. Some people are just flat out geniuses without ever once telling anyone that they are smart. You just let them be so they can create. It isn't the masses that bring advances to the world. It is the capable few.

The author is just upset that she isn't smart. That she is the product of a one night stand when her not so bright mother wanted some clock as she went to the bar alone. Banged a hot guy who could barely spell his name.

Post: #24

(11-14-2014 09:10 AM)RouteBackwards Wrote:  The only thing that matters now is how this guy handles it.

I assume a man who's caked up in tattoos and dresses in ridiculous shirts like that knows that he is valuable to Nasa. Chances are Nasa will politely tell him to tone it down, and he'll continue on doing as he pleases.

If he apologizes though, it will make his legacy seem lame. If he troops on through, by ignoring these SJW's, I'm sure people will grow to respect him and fuck off - feminists included.

Yes, this is the simple truth if you want highly intelligent, highly independent, highly capable people.

You don't treat these people like office drones, because they WILL say fuck you and go work for someone else or do some other stuff. Some people really do have a strong sense of personal integrity and won't be bullied, they'd rather quit. This is of course very uncomfortable for small minded power people and HR middle managers.

This kind of person is called a 'primadonna' in derogatory HR newspeak. Go Google it, there's been countless articles written on the subject on how to deal with the (male) who just doesn't give a fuck about corporate HR culture. It is incredibly difficult apparently for the HR types to understand that some people will not sell out for a bit of job 'security'.

Post: #25

^^^
Unfortunately, he has apologized... he actually broke down in tears while apologizing... fracking unbelievable!

"Rosetta mission scientist Dr Matt Taylor cries during apology over 'offensive' shirt"

Here is a man that has generated over +70 published scientific works in space plasma and their behaviour in magnetopheric boundaries, ... now made to grovel because of a stupid t-shirt...

Like i wrote in this post, some of these feminist even think science is a rape of the feminine nature... given that nature is attributed female characteristics; and science is an invasive, vivisection of nature and her secrets... science "intrudes" into nature without apology.... science "violates" nature without permission... akin to rape. Since science is mostly conducted by men(specifically, white men in the past...) hence, science suffers from male privilege and characteristics akin to rape... the rape of nature... and since nature is the feminine... hence, science is a [white]male rape of the feminine... To get a full dose of such concentrated stupidity, just read up on the work of sandra harding.... I touched on the subject here with regards to ESA mission.

Read some of the other comments... and it is depressing, really. The bitch that started this campaign doesn't even look like a woman... understandably the reasons for her jealousy. Uglier and dumb, she is. Yes, this particularly bothered me given my science background.... i have experienced female cuntiness in research settings before...

From a previous post, here is one of my experience dealing some of these shiteheads.

(08-13-2014 12:55 PM)Nemencine Wrote:  ..... I used to do research on the 3rd floor of a building at the university; i would come in, work and leave, minding my own bloody business. Guess what? some white cunt decided to file sexual harassment claim against me. Here is the bizarre thing: I never saw this cunt before, let alone spoke to her, i dont even fucking know her name. I work on the bloody 3rd floor, i later learned that this cunt work in the fucking basement. You can imagine my confusion when my Principal Investigator told me about the harassment claim. I didnt even know who filed it, let alone what wing or section of the research building the person was working at. It is one thing entirely if i had talked to her or looked at her in anyways; this is completely different and surreal: i dont even know she existed until my P.I. called me to talk to me.

When the issue was investigated, she finally admitted to not knowing me, not speaking to me before, not even running into me before, but somehow, my presence in that building working late at night make her "uneasy". Weirdly, her way of handling that "unease" is to file harassment suits. She has apparently seen and noticed me, even though i did not even know she existed. It was during the investigation that i learned her name is Kelly, that she does her research in the basement section, and finally put a face to the name. When i asked around about my accuser, some of the lads in the building later told me directly how many times they've took turn fucking her. She get passed around a lot. She is the slut of that research wing. ....