Post: #226

Weather he gave them ludes, or coke, or heroin, or simple alcohol, the point is: did they know that they were being given these drugs?

If the girls were in a situation where they knew something intimate could occur, and they knowingly took drugs, it does not matter if it was ludes, weed, or alcohol. It was not rape.

If these girls did not know that they were being given drugs, then even giving them simple alcohol makes it a form of rape.

All we are being told is that Cosby used ludes with girls. We know nothing new at all. To me there is no difference between ludes, alcohol, or molly, if both parties know what is going on.

Post: #227

(07-06-2015 10:35 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  Weather he gave them ludes, or coke, or heroin, or simple alcohol, the point is: did they know that they were being given these drugs?

If the girls were in a situation where they knew something intimate could occur, and they knowingly took drugs, it does not matter if it was ludes, weed, or alcohol. It was not rape.

If these girls did not know that they were being given drugs, then even giving them simple alcohol makes it a form of rape.

All we are being told is that Cosby used ludes with girls. We know nothing new at all. To me there is no difference between ludes, alcohol, or molly, if both parties know what is going on.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/0...HY20150707

Quote:Cosby, 77, made the admission during testimony in a civil case brought by a former Temple University employee, Andrea Constand, who alleged that Cosby tricked her into taking drugs before he sexually assaulted her.

"tricked"

I can guarantee if he actually slipped something in her drink they would mention that and not that he "tricked" her. Just like how PUAs apparently have mind tricks that manipulate woman into spreading those legs, Bill Cosby can "trick" women into taking drugs.

Post: #228

The clip I heard on the news of his "admission of guilt" was not even close to him admitting to drugging and raping women.

I don't know if he is guilty or not, but all he admitted to was having ludes to give to girls he wanted to bang. At least that's all I heard on the news. No admission of tricking, drugging, or raping anybody.

Once again, the media is taking what someone has said WAY out of context and are running with it to line their pockets, even if it ruins the life of an innocent person.

Post: #229

Well, if the women took those drugs willingly there isn't anything for us to condemn.

HOWEVER, nowadays having sex with a drunk girl is an automatic rape conviction, so obviously the public is going to vilify Cosby if he was having sex with girls with any drug harder than alcohol. And yes, this standard is retarded.

Post: #230

What's come out so far makes Cosby look bad, but it's not enough to make him a rapist. There's a difference between plying girls with the drugs they seek as part of his strategy to get laid and sneaking drugs into system of some unaware girl to take advantage of her while she's in a compromised state. We'll have to wait as more material will emerge, but nothing has pushed him over into that second category yet.

None if this would have come out if the Cos didn't make himself a paragon of morals. I can't imagine many famous men in his era behaved much differently toward fame-hungry girls. The plan was simple- be famous, have drugs, and bang. That's not rape.

Obviously, Cobsy's lived a much different lifestyle than what he represented on the screen. The hypocrisy was too much to pass up, as the media gleefully tore him down.

But there are worse men in Hollywood, who are running the same play without the media scandal. Bryan Singer allegedly had the same m.o. that it seems Cosby had, having a stash of alcohol and Quaaludes. The difference is that Singer was accused of giving them to 16 or 17-year old boys. This appears to be his taste.



After surviving a lawsuit, Singer also has a few projects on the way, such as the next X-Men film. So while Cosby has a mob shaking pitchforks at his every move, Singer is allowed to work in Hollywood without mention of the accusations against him every time his name appears in an article. Singer doesn't represent anything other than gay degeneracy, and the media doesn't harass him like Cosby, who was the patriarch of his on-screen family.

Post: #231

^And in a few weeks will be forgotten about for the next SJW outrage of the week.

Post: #232

I have bought party favors to the party with the explicit intent of using them to make girls want to have sex with me and continue to do so. Try going to a club in Miami and not having alcohol,Molly,Xanax, weed or some kind of amphetamine. Go try to pull women with your intelligent conversation skills vs the guy who has her drug of choice, we will see who she goes home with (hint:it is the guy with the drugs).

Here is all Bill Cosby did for the simple minded: He had money and fame and liked to do drugs and party with slutty girls. That is all that happened. The girls he partied with and fucked wanted his fame, all they got was long dick and a good time. That is all they deserved, that is all they got. Furthermore most of those chicks came back for more long dick and party time after he supposedly "raped" them.

30 years from now woman will be accusing Leonardo DiCaprio of rape. They will claim they snorted Molly and ate out their best friends pussy while Leo fucked them from behind, and under the new "Yes Means Yes" legislation passed by President Chelsea Clinton in 2032, he will be imprisoned and all of his assets forfeited to any failed actress who steps up with a bullshit sob story.

Post: #233

OK, I've done a bit more checking. Apparently quaaludes were a popular drug of choice in 1976, when this event was supposed to have taken place, for sexual enhancement. Today we would associate it with "date rape" but it wasn't really that way in the 70's. Bill Cosby admitted to giving girls quaaludes that he wanted to bang, which in this day and age would be regarded with suspicion (since no girl would be willing to take them), but it wasn't so in 1976. That's all you can really prove.

@Bacchus: Got more info on this? Sounds typical of the media.

Post: #234

There's no difference >>AT THIS POINT<< between what Cosby did and the typical club-goer that takes weed or coke with him to a club to impress some chicks with the hopes of fucking them/getting blown.

What the REAL story is here is that a slut can "change her mind" 20-30-40+ years later. WTF?!?! So some twat you fucked in HS can wake up one morning, look at her dead end life and say "Yeah, I was raped." How about a vindictive ex-wife claiming she was "raped" for the entirety of the marriage?

Dangerous times people. Dangerous times.

Post: #235

Does getting Boones Farm to bring to our parties in high school make me a rapist? We did that shit all the time.

Post: #236

(07-07-2015 07:48 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  Does getting Boones Farm to bring to our parties in high school make me a rapist? We did that shit all the time.

Exactly! Where/what's the line?

Post: #237

You know who else used Quaaludes with sexual activity?

Roman Polanski. Except she was 13. He raped her anally despite pleas for him to stop, fled the country after pleading guilty and then received awards and positive attention from the media despite being an admitted child rapist. According to liberals in 2002, the case was too old and he shouldn't be forced to "face justice."

The moral of the story? If you are famous and want to rape somebody, rape a child in the ass. The media conglomerates will celebrate you for it.

Post: #238

Found this picture and thought it was funny:

Post: #239

In the meanwhile CNN is cashing in on the story. Roxanne jones (a black journalist) condemns Cosby's "betrayal of the black community":

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/08/opinio...index.html

It's very likely this journalist got wildly jealous because, as we know, Cosby preferred to bang white models.

Post: #240

Let's not forget that Bill Clinton had a string of sexual assault claims in his past, up to rape if we are to believe Juanita Broaderick. Now whether it happened or not I don't know, but there's about as much evidence that Clinton is guilty as there is for Bill Cosby, but Mr. Clinton will be back in the white next next year.

I'm pretty sure that whatever Cosby did in the 70s was pretty normal for many male celebrities. I doubt he violently raped anyone. And many of these women kept coming back. There's a hell of a lot of grey area in these claims. What was considered within the boundaries of acceptable behavior then may be different than what it is now with the rape culture hysteria we now live in.

What I don't understand is why doesn't Cosby just doesn't buy a lavish estate in some other country where nobody would give a damn about 40 year old allegations and live out the remainder of his life with an ocean view and a martini in hand. He's unbelievable wealthy, he could do this at the snap of a finger. Why stay in this fucked up country when you have options. I'll never understand.

Post: #241

(07-08-2015 11:09 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Let's not forget that Bill Clinton had a string of sexual assault claims in his past, up to rape if we are to believe Juanita Broaderick. Now whether it happened or not I don't know, but there's about as much evidence that Clinton is guilty as there is for Bill Cosby, but Mr. Clinton will be back in the white next next year.

I'm pretty sure that whatever Cosby did in the 70s was pretty normal for many male celebrities. I doubt he violently raped anyone. And many of these women kept coming back. There's a hell of a lot of grey area in these claims. What was considered within the boundaries of acceptable behavior then may be different than what it is now with the rape culture hysteria we now live in.

What I don't understand is why doesn't Cosby just doesn't buy a lavish estate in some other country where nobody would give a damn about 40 year old allegations and live out the remainder of his life with an ocean view and a martini in hand. He's unbelievable wealthy, he could do this at the snap of a finger. Why stay in this fucked up country when you have options. I'll never understand.

Bill Clinton was at Epstein's Orgy Island(a real private sex island, Google it, I am not lying) and wants us to believe nothing happened with the hot young teenage girls there(Yes, Epstein had an Island, Yes, it was called Orgy Island, and fuck Yes, he had hot teenage girls there for orgys- it is all in the court documents). So we are supposed to believe Bill got a blowjob from a fat jewish staffer in the Oval Office, and put a cigar in her pussy, and came all over her face, mouth and dress-But heavens no, he would never have sex with hot, young, thin, teenage ass at Orgy fucking Island!? Please...

The saddest thing is that Putin would never have to put up with this bullshit and Russia lost the cold war.

Bill Cosby did not do anything wrong in the 1970's he fucked up in 2002 when he did not toe the liberal line and said some true un PC shit and everyone turned on him. I know that there are a lot of people on this forum who do not understand how much Bill Cosby has done for black America. He has put more money into HBCUs than anyone in the last 35 years. If you got accepted into Morehouse or Spelman and you did not have the money to pay tuition the Cosby Fund paid it, not a loan, Paid that shit free and clear. Morehouse School of medicine received millions from this man, there are doctors, lawyers and educators that are not in debt because of him. He poured money into Temple University and put a positive image of black families and college life on prime time television so black people had a positive show on that promoted family values and marriage. Say what you will about his sex life but he did not get divorced, he had all of his kids by one woman within the confines of marriage and provided stability for his children.

In closing Fuck Hannibal Buress, that down syndrome looking mutherfucker ain't funny and is a crab in a barrel who ain't done shit for the black community. I hope his new SJW masters find some "problematic" shit out about him and he has to go through trial by social media and bitter bitches, it would serve his crab ass right.

Post: #242

(07-07-2015 07:56 AM)Libertas Wrote:  @Bacchus: Got more info on this? Sounds typical of the media.

The media did cover the Singer accusations, but you don't see the same persistence about bringing him down as you did with Cosby. A documentary about homosexual pedophilia has come out to crickets. Hollywood doesn't want its dark side exposed.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...ecret.html

Quote:In the new scorched earth exposé An Open Secret, Oscar-nominated documentarian Amy Berg throws the curtains wide open on the alleged pedophilic ring of convicted and accused molesters linked to lavish, drug-fueled parties at the Encino mansion headquarters of now-defunct dot com web TV company Digital Entertainment Network (DEN) almost two decades ago.

Drive over the hill into Burbank and you pass the Oakwood Apartments, a sprawling 1,100-unit haven known for housing out-of-town child actors, wannabes, and their families. I always wonder how many ghosts of dreams past must still haunt the hallways at Oakwood, where a recent Deadline Hollywood investigation discovered two registered sex offenders convicted of crimes against minors were living this year.

Berg earned an Oscar nod for exposing similar pedophilic abuses within the Catholic Church in the affecting Deliver Us From Evil. Here, she’s forced to rein in the glare of her excoriating gaze on Singer despite that Michael Egan, the man who sued Singer for abusing him during trips to Hawaii in 1999 when Egan was a minor, is one of the film’s primary subjects.

When Egan dropped his lawsuit against Singer last year—and then lost more cred when he was indicted for fraud on unrelated federal charges—his narrative was edited out of the film. Now, An Open Secret merely implicates Singer by association with DEN (in which he was an investor).

That association alone is still pretty damning according to the film, which has plenty of other big fish to fry—like Singer associates and DEN founders Marc Collins-Rector, Chad Shackman, and The Mighty Ducks child actor Brock Pierce, and Brian Peck, the Nickelodeon producer and convicted sex offender who had a cameo in Singer’s X-Men and inexplicably accompanied his buddy on the film’s commentary track. These men and others like them, the film argues, preyed on wide-eyed, ambitious youngsters and tantalized them with parties, drugs, and promises of stardom.

The personal testimonies of five former child actors/models gives An Open Secret its gut-punching impact, as many detail the terror and confusion they felt falling victim to the managers, publicists, and agents they trusted. They recall the uncertainty of not knowing how to defend themselves against the older predatory mentors who were also helping guide their careers, many of whom spent years “grooming” the youngsters and their parents to earn their trust.

All of the now-older victims report feeling distraught, intimidated, traumatized, and even suicidal. Many of them turned to drugs and alcohol to deal with the abuse, or quit the industry altogether to sever ties to their poisoned dreams.

Actor and musician Evan H., the film’s unspoken hero, tells of the first time his manager, convicted sex abuser Marty Weiss, molested him in a park after taking him and several young boys out for a game of basketball.

“He was really immature and we were all immature back then, he would crack sex jokes and I didn’t think anything was wrong with it,” Evan says of the talent manager who’d ingratiated himself into his family gatherings and helped him land early gigs. “We would play basketball and he would make weird jokes like, ‘Evan, do you know what a blowjob is?’”

Years later, Evan H. secretly recorded Weiss confessing to his park assault on tape, only to have Weiss insist that the then-11-year-old was asking for it.

More famous actors who had brushes with Hollywood pedophiles and lived to tell also pop up in the film. Corey Feldman appears in archival footage railing against the Hollywood pedophiles who molested him and the late Corey Haim, as detailed in his 2013 memoir.

Diff’rent Strokes star Todd Bridges, who went public in 2010 with his own childhood sexual abuse at the age of 11 by his own publicist, describes begging to be written out of the show’s very special pedophile episode “because I had myself gone through that, and watching it happen on the show it was like reliving that all over again.”

But Berg’s impassioned exposé is also a flawed piece of nonfiction cinema. She opens the film with the story of “Mark R.,” an enthusiastic teen from Cincinnati with boy band good looks who dreamed of making it big in California, as told by his parents. The kicker to Mark R.’s saga of abuse, alcoholism, and tragedy lands like a sucker punch, injecting an already affecting personal tale with unnecessarily distracting cinematic manipulation.

It makes you wonder about Berg including her own line of on-camera questioning with Michael Harrah, a children’s talent manager who’s introduced as just another industry-expert talking head.

“Many of the kids that I worked with couldn’t have even been able to take advantage of being in the industry had they had their families move here with them,” says the now semi-retired Harrah, who was known to have his young clients move in with him without parental supervision.

Sitting for a separate interview, former child actor Joey Colman rings Harrah as the cameras roll. They trade polite pleasantries before Colman asks after Bob Villard, the manager whose client roster included Tobey Maguire and Leonardo DiCaprio. Villard was also known to take suggestive, half-nude pictures of young boys and sell them online.

Colman asks Harrah about the stories of Villard’s documented crimes against children. “I take these things with a grain of salt,” says Harrah, credited as a founder of the Screen Actors Guild’s Young Performers Committee. “I’m not sure how horrible they really are.”

In a moment of doc magic, Harrah actually admits to molesting Colman when he was a minor. “It’s something that I shouldn’t have done,” he says calmly.

“These are not Pollyannas. These are smart guys,” says ex-NYPD cop and investigative journalist John Connolly, who details for Berg his extensive research into the seedy underbelly of DEN.

Some of them are powerful, too. Connolly should know; after writing and fact-checking his own massive expose for Details magazine, editors killed his story.

Post: #243

Whoopi's still standing up for Cosby while the other cunts act obnoxiously, especially Michelle Collins seated in the center:





Standing up to the mob's inevitable backlash:

Post: #244

(07-09-2015 01:19 AM)Bacchus Wrote:  Whoopi's still standing up for Cosby while the other cunts act obnoxiously, especially Michelle Collins seated in the center:





Standing up to the mob's inevitable backlash:

Hell Yeah Whoopi! That is what is up!

Post: #245

That's the most footage I've watched of The View in my life. Whoopie was spot on. Kudos.

Post: #246

If you weren't popping quaaludes while having sex in the 70s, it was considered unpatriotic.

Post: #247

(07-09-2015 01:19 AM)Bacchus Wrote:  Whoopi's still standing up for Cosby while the other cunts act obnoxiously, especially Michelle Collins seated in the center:

At the 3:30 minute mark Collins asks what the motivation of all these women could be to "come forward" if these accusations were false.

The far more obvious question to me is this: What could be Cosby's motivation to rape all these women in the first place?

Here we have a rich and famous man with easy access to groupies and their pussies. Why is there even a need to rape anyone? These accusations don't make any sense at all and it tells you a lot about society today why this question isn't being asked. Somehow this bitch can't wrap her head around the possibility that these women could possibly have thrown themselves voluntarily at the man with the big cash in his pockets. This can't be true. In complete denial of female nature she comes to one "plausible" conclusion: He must have raped them!

Post: #248

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/arts/b....html?_r=0

1) How to dump a chick

He spoke with casual disregard about ending a relationship with another model so he could pursue other women. “Moving on,” was his phrase.


2) Cultivating your senses.
He suggested he was skilled in picking up the nonverbal cues that signal a woman’s consent.

“I think I’m a pretty decent reader of people and their emotions in these romantic sexual things, whatever you want to call them,” he said.

3) Keeping your G intact

Through it all, his manner was largely one of casual indifference.

4) Knowing the power of the D
Expounding on his philosophy about sex, Mr. Cosby said he tended to refrain from intercourse because he did not want women to fall in love with him. To him, he said, the act of sexual intercourse “is something that I feel the woman will succumb to more of a romance and more of a feeling, not love, but it’s deeper than a playful situation.”

5) Zero Date Bang

Asked how he wooed her, Mr. Cosby, who has been married since 1964, responded: “Inviting her to my house, talking to her about personal situations dealing with her life, growth, education.”

6) Older Man's Game

He painted his relationship with Ms. Constand as one of mentor and mentee, casting himself in the role of an experienced guide and offering her the benefit of his contacts, fame and experience.

7) Leave em better than you found em

Years earlier, he offered to reward another woman, Therese Serignese, whom he had met at the Las Vegas Hilton in 1976, with money as a bonus for good grades.

8) A Gentleman doesn't kiss and tell
“I am a man, the only way you will hear about who I had sex with is from the person I had it with,” he said.

__________________________________________________

Minus the drugs, Bill had all the marks of a top old school player.

Shows a deep understanding of female psychology and behavior.

WIA

Post: #249

This article came out today in the NY Times. My bottom line reading: still zero evidence he raped anyone. Now they are making him out to be abad guy because he smashed a lot of pussy. Only in the feminist anglosphere is this a problem. Can you imagine a celebrity in Russia or Latin America being pilloried for being a playa?

This is still a witch hunt by a bunch of still grieving alpha widows pissed they were P&D'd, aided by liberals pissed off that Cos said black kids should pull up their pants and speak proper English. [My comments in bold].

Quote:Bill Cosby Deposition Reveals Calculated Pursuit of Young Women, Using Fame, Drugs and Deceit

By GRAHAM BOWLEY and SYDNEY EMBERJULY 18, 2015

He was not above seducing a young model by showing interest in her father’s cancer. He promised other women his mentorship and career advice before pushing them for sex acts. And he tried to use financial sleight of hand to keep his wife from finding out about his serial philandering.

Bill Cosby admitted to all of this and more over four days of intense questioning 10 years ago at a Philadelphia hotel, where he defended himself in a deposition for a lawsuit filed by a young woman who accused him of drugging and molesting her.

Even as Mr. Cosby denied he is a sexual predator who assaulted many women, he presented himself in the deposition as an unapologetic, cavalier playboy [so, what's the problem??], someone who used a combination of fame, apparent concern and powerful sedatives in a calculated pursuit of young women — a profile at odds with the popular image he so long enjoyed, that of father figure and public moralist.

In the last year more than two dozen women have come forward to accuse Bill Cosby of raping or groping them, beginning in the mid-1960s.
In the deposition, which Mr. Cosby has for years managed to keep private but was obtained by The New York Times, the entertainer comes across as alternately annoyed, mocking, occasionally charming and sometimes boastful, often blithely describing sexual encounters in graphic detail.[Alpha traits recognized]

He talked of the 19-year-old aspiring model who sent him her poem and ended up on his sofa, where, Mr. Cosby said, she pleasured him with lotion.

He spoke with casual disregard about ending a relationship with another model so he could pursue other women. “Moving on,” was his phrase.[Yeah, so? He's a celebrity and pulls a lot of ass.]

He suggested he was skilled in picking up the nonverbal cues that signal a woman’s consent.

“I think I’m a pretty decent reader of people and their emotions in these romantic sexual things, whatever you want to call them,” he said.

Through it all, his manner was largely one of casual indifference. [Aloof alpha recognized.]

At one point in the first day of questioning, Dolores M. Troiani, the lawyer for the plaintiff in the case, Andrea Constand, a young woman who worked at Temple University as a basketball manager, seemed struck by Mr. Cosby’s jocular manner.

“I think you’re making light of a very serious situation,” she said, to which Mr. Cosby replied: “That may very well be.” [Agree and amplify.]

Interest in Mr. Cosby’s deposition grew this month when a federal judge unsealed a 62-page memorandum of law in the case, which had been settled in 2006. The memorandum contained excerpts from the deposition, including Mr. Cosby’s acknowledgment that he had obtained quaaludes as part of his effort to have sex with women.

The parties have been prohibited from releasing the memorandum because of a confidentiality clause that was part of the settlement agreement, but the deposition itself was never sealed. This month, Ms. Constand’s lawyer asked the court to lift the confidentiality clause so her client would be free to release the nearly 1,000-page deposition transcript. The Times later learned that the transcript was already publicly available through a court reporting service.

Mr. Cosby has never been charged with a crime and has repeatedly denied the accusations of sexual assault, now leveled by dozens of women. David Brokaw, Mr. Cosby’s publicist, did not respond to requests for comment on Saturday. Ms. Troiani declined to comment. In three suits, women who accused Mr. Cosby of sexual misconduct are pursuing civil claims against him. In addition, the Los Angeles police have said they are reviewing a complaint of a sexual nature against Mr. Cosby.

While Mr. Cosby described encounters with many women through the course of his deposition, it is through his long and detailed descriptions of his relationship with Ms. Constand, who is much younger [The real crime according to feminists and manginas], that Mr. Cosby’s attitudes, proclivities and approach to women are most clearly revealed.[Let me guess, he's not a feminist] Ms. Constand was present for at least some of Mr. Cosby’s testimony in the Rittenhouse Hotel in Philadelphia.

An Interest Piqued

First spotting her at Temple University in the early 2000s, Mr. Cosby said he felt romantic interest immediately (“She’s good-looking”), and began a relationship that led, in his telling, to dinners and more.

Asked how he wooed her, Mr. Cosby, who has been married since 1964, responded: “Inviting her to my house, talking to her about personal situations dealing with her life, growth, education.”

He painted his relationship with Ms. Constand as one of mentor and mentee, casting himself in the role of an experienced guide and offering her the benefit of his contacts, fame and experience.

At times he described becoming frustrated after Ms. Constand failed to follow his advice, such as when he wanted her to pursue her interest in sports broadcasting by calling someone and she did not. “Here’s a mentor, Bill Cosby, who is in the business, Bill Cosby, who happens to know something about what to do and Andrea is not picking up on it,” he said.[Sounds like he had genuine interests in advancing her career.]

Ms. Constand ultimately went to the police to complain of Mr. Cosby’s behavior, but in his telling, his seduction was one of persistence and patience.

Early on in his courtship, he arranged an intimate meal alone with her at his Pennsylvania home, complete with Cognac, dimmed lights and a fire, he said. At one point he led her to his back porch, out of sight from his chef. “I take her hair and I pull it back and I have her face like this,” he said. “And I’m talking to her ...And I talked to her about relaxing, being strong. And I said to her, come in, meaning her body.”

But the two remained inches apart, he said, and he did not try to kiss her because he did not sense she wanted him to. [sounds like he respects consent.]Nevertheless, at the next dinner he said they had what he described as a “sexual moment,” short of intercourse. He described her afterward as having “a glow.”

Expounding on his philosophy about sex, Mr. Cosby said he tended to refrain from intercourse because he did not want women to fall in love with him. [playa] To him, he said, the act of sexual intercourse “is something that I feel the woman will succumb to more of a romance and more of a feeling, not love, but it’s deeper than a playful situation.” As far as he and Ms. Constand went, he said, they were “playing sex, we’re playing, petting, we’re playing.”

Was he in love with her? “No.”

Yet the friendship endured for a few years, until one night at his Pennsylvania home, when Ms. Constand said Mr. Cosby drugged and molested her.

Mr. Cosby said he gave her one and a half tablets of Benadryl to relieve stress, they kissed and had sexual contact. Her lawyer said she believed it was a much more powerful drug. [prove it]

Some time later, after Ms. Constand had moved home to Canada, Mr. Cosby spoke with Ms. Constand’s mother on the telephone. The mother, he said, was upset about what her daughter said Mr. Cosby had done, describing the experience as “a mother’s nightmare.”

In the deposition, he said he was worried that Ms. Constand’s mother would think of him as a “dirty old man.”

During the call, Mr. Cosby told the deposing lawyers, he wanted Ms. Constand to tell her mother “about the orgasm” so that she would realize it was consensual.

“Tell your mother about the orgasm. Tell your mother how we talked,” he said he remembered thinking.

Subsequently, concerned that Ms. Constand and her mother might seek to embarrass him, he said he offered to help pay for Ms. Constand’s further education. Years earlier, he offered to reward another woman, Therese Serignese, whom he had met at the Las Vegas Hilton in 1976, with money as a bonus for good grades.

Hiding His Behavior

It is difficult to say to what extent Mr. Cosby’s wife, Camille, was aware of her husband’s womanizing, though it was certainly clear to her by 1997, when Mr. Cosby acknowledged an affair. Mrs. Cosby suggested at the time that there had been marital problems but they had put them behind them.

Still, in the deposition, Mr. Cosby, 78, described going to some lengths to hide his behavior, blocking a magazine article to avoid publicity and funneling money to one woman through his agent so “Mrs. Cosby” wouldn’t find out.

In the case of Ms. Constand, who never sought any funds, Mr. Cosby said he imagined his wife would have known he was helping with her education. But, he said, “My wife would not know it was because Andrea and I had had sex and that Andrea was now very, very upset and that she decided that she would like to go to school.”

While Mr. Cosby insists the only drug he gave Ms. Constand was Benadryl, he is open about his access in the 1970s to quaaludes, a sedative also popular as a party drug.

He said he obtained seven prescriptions for them over two to three years from a doctor in Los Angeles, ostensibly for a sore back but in reality to give to women.

He admits to giving young women quaaludes at that time “the same as a person would say have a drink,” he said, but not without their knowledge.

Though he portrayed the drug-taking and sex as consensual, Mr. Cosby — when asked whether Ms. Serignese was in a position to consent to sexual intercourse after he gave her quaaludes in 1976 — said: “I don’t know.”

Joseph Cammarata, a lawyer for Ms. Serignese and two other women who are suing Mr. Cosby for defamation, said of the deposition: “This information is important because it sheds light on the private practices of a man who holds himself out as a public moralist.”

A Life of Wealth

During the questioning, Mr. Cosby cast himself as a sensitive and attentive supporter of Ms. Constand, though his tone changed when addressing Ms. Constand in the present tense.

Asked by Ms. Constand’s lawyer about how he felt when Ms. Constand cried during her own deposition, Mr. Cosby was unsparing: “I think Andrea is a liar and I know she’s a liar because I was there. I was there.”

And he could be dispassionate in recalling former relationships. With a woman named Beth Ferrier, a model he met in the 1980s, he recalled inquiring after her career and her father, who had died of cancer.

“Did you ask her those questions because you wanted to have sexual contact with her?” Ms. Troiani asked.

“Yes,” Mr. Cosby responded.

Still, he said he viewed himself as a good person, worthy of trust, and chivalrous in his desire to never tell others about the women with whom he had sex.

“I am a man, the only way you will hear about who I had sex with is from the person I had it with,” he said.

In some passages, Mr. Cosby offered a glimpse into a life long insulated by perks and wealth. Some idiosyncrasies are revealed, like his penchant for sweatpants (he had at least 100, he said), how he used the name Seymour Rapaport as an alias in the 1970s and 1980s when he traveled, and how many of his employees signed confidentiality agreements.

In the deposition, Mr. Cosby described sexual liaisons — he sometimes calls them rendezvous — with at least five women, and having a “romantic” interest in two more, in locations like Denver, Las Vegas and New York and Pennsylvania, in hotels or in one of his homes.

In the court case, 13 women came forward with anonymous sworn statements to support Ms. Constand, saying that they, too, had been molested in some way by Mr. Cosby. But they never had a chance to pursue their claims in court because, six months after the fourth and final day of his deposition, Mr. Cosby settled the case with Ms. Constand on undisclosed terms. His deposition was filed away, another document in a settled court case, until now.

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