Post: #3526

(06-11-2017 07:12 AM)Malo Wrote:  

(06-11-2017 06:46 AM)Gopnik Wrote:  In Giacomo's defense, I do agree that there's a lot of flaking in Poland.

In the West it's usually harder to get "leads" but when a girl shows interest it's more or less a matter of not fucking up.

There's so much flaking because it's so easy to get "leads". It all balances out. The game in Poland has always been to filter out the friendly girls, if you understand what I'm getting at.

The west is definitely easier for the serial ONS-er. To come to central/eastern Europe looking for a string of ONS's is like coming to Norway for sunshine, instead of going to Spain. It's just the wrong choice.

There's a ton of thin, hot, drunk hotties in UK cities like Newcastle or what have you. Anyone who thinks otherwise can spoof his location on Tinder and see for himself.

Catch them at the right hour in the pub, have some game and shag them. End of story. In these settings, they're also much more fun to interact with than Polish girls, believe it or not.

This is something that I agree, polish girls are very friendly and like to flirt with multiple guys and to have options.
It's not like in some country in the West where girls are very selective and reject multiple guys just to date 1-2 of the highest value guys they can get
Polish girls like to flirt with multiple guys, maybe because they want to feel desired or because they want a "safety net" in case the guy they like the most get tired of her
In this frame, flaky behaviour is automatic because she's dealing with multiple guys

Post: #3527

I am sorry for your experience in Scandinavia, honestly in the last years I was there only to visit girls met in Poland who invited me, and didn't do much game to judge. But I was recently in the smallest Scandinavian country and I had a blast, great nightlife, much fun and it made me instantly thinking how Krakow sucks in comparison. Anyway I suppose that Sweden might be hard nowadays due to the refugees invasion, I will check out next month for a weekend of pure game to evaluate the situation.
You indirectly are talking about the main issue of Poland: too many cheap sex tourists with their low cost flights have destroyed everything. These people cannot afford going to Moscow, Scandinavia, Paris, Zurich.
Places like Spain and France are not difficult for me. In these countries I pulled girls home the same night, made out with multiple girls in the same time, having a daily schedule of dates with no flakes. Here I have a series of something like 10/15 flakes in a row, many of them deleting the meeting few hours in advance after accepting. Fortunately soon I will cross the border and forget about Poland for a while.
So generally they are a lot easier than Poland, no doubt about that. And if you do your homework Western girls can recognize the difference between a cheap tourist and a well established man. In Poland many girls talk and show interest to anyone and select guys randomly. I prefer someone who is talking with me because she is really interested, otherwise I prefer a crush & burn.
In Poland only in 3/4 tier towns things are good and you can enjoy good time with girls. But you should be a little bit crazy and brave to go in these towns.

Post: #3528

talking to a local girl she told me that girls and overall society is "rigid".also that "girls pretend to be princesses waiting for their prince " (for the ones who speak polish she told they are "sztywne").
The overall value for this countey by the aspect of girls doesnt lay neither on stunning looks 8s 9s 10s nor to the easiness of ONSs. But rather on the sympathetic sweet smiley and some how naive village girls 6s n 7s that are somehow impressed by the western or the exotic latino.and should go for the "mini" love-romance story may nbe get laid a couple of girls and/or keep some contact to have this sense of "romance".
IF this "package" is no more available (and actually IS NOT) then there is no value to come in PL.If you seek for impressive looks go to ukraine or russia. If for instand ONS then at some popular touristic place or in the west. In any case if you cannot get the factor of "easy pseudo-romance" but its demanded to spend energy time and resources in PL then the value dissapears.if its to spend energy and resapurces better keep them and divert them towards your native 8s + .You get better returns with less efforts.

Post: #3529

StepUp, you picked the worst country in Scandinavia by far. There are significant cultural nuances between Scandinavian countries. And as for Spain, needless to say, why the hell did you even go there.

It's true these places (Scandinavia, UK etc) are expensive. And that's a huge factor if you stay long term. But if you're on a non-p4p sex holiday, a week in the right places in western europe/US/downunder (aka "The West") will likely give you a few times more returns than a whole month in Poland. Plus will be ten times the fun, notch count aside. So there's your money and time saved right there.

Post: #3530

(06-11-2017 01:04 PM)Malo Wrote:  StepUp, you picked the worst country in Scandinavia by far. There are significant cultural nuances between Scandinavian countries. And as for Spain, needless to say, why the hell did you even go there.

It's true these places (Scandinavia, UK etc) are expensive.

A friend just returned from Helsinki. He was there with 2 more guys for the weekend and they all pulled in a bar. Scandinavia seems not to be applicable to solo travelers.
UK, especially London, has ups and downs, but is a guaranteed place for easy pulling. London is applicable only to very experienced and attractive players. Newbies in game or not very good looking guys struggle.

Is Spain that bad? So many horny tourists in Barcelona...

Post: #3531

I never developed any kind of special fondness for Poland despite having a general fondness for most countries that have been behind the Iron Courtain until 1989. The girls, city centres, landscapes, the language (except Hungary), the food and the transportation options are for me simply better in Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Ukraine. And as long as there is new stuff to explore in these four countries, I honestly wouldn't know why to ever set foot into Poland again.

Krakow was a ridiculously overcrowded (even in April) and overrated tourist trap, with the same-sized and nearby Ukrainian Lviv being much more beautiful, cheap and "feeling real" instead of the Krakow tourist-disneyland feel.

Warsaw is simply the ugliest and blandest of any capital city that I ever visited, worldwide. I can't remember being as bored as here in any place that I ever visited.

Post: #3532

^ Agree completely about Krakow and Warsaw.

apolis, regarding Spain I was referring to Spanish girls rather than the tourists.

In England, I would avoid London and go inland. Just near London, try Essex for a start (Southend on Sea, Chelmsford).. it's quite the anthropological experience, Essex is infamous for its girls. Stick to the clubs (no daygame). Brighton is also cool (there's a big gay scene but easily avoidable). If you're willing to go further inland the list of cities is endless, and nightlife options expand dramatically.

Again, this is for wild and crazy nights and quick ONS's with drunk 7's. In other words a sex trip. If you want anything more than that then you'll likely encounter the illnesses of the west that we all constantly talk about.

Post: #3533

I heard that Finland, Iceland and maybe even Norway are better, but I only went to Sweden and as I said I wasn't impressed, it's incredibly overrated...the general feeling I got is that pulling anything of quality requires a social circle there (and good looks).

As far as Ukraine, it's definitely good and I liked it a lot but, at least in Kiev, it's not a good night game spot. I've never seen a city with so many pro and semi pro around during the night like in Kiev (maybe Monaco/Montecarlo?). The layout of the clubs give it away as soon as you enter. 80% of the "coolest" clubs are occupied by tables and the girls waiting at the bar all wait to be invited at some table. Honestly I didn't like it
Other "less cool" clubs have normal clubs but quality is lacking

But for sure there are lots of hot, sweet girls around...it's just that it's way easier to meet them through some friends or through daygame
I'll actually be back because I liked it in Ukraine (and also in Poland tbh)

Lastly, Spain/Italy are the worst places in Europe to pull unless you go to a big city and approach some tourists

Post: #3534

It's hard for me to take seriously people who recommend countries like UK or Scandinavia for having fun. Quick ONS with drunk 7s in UK ? On what planet ? If the UK is swarming with 7s, then Poland is swimming in 9s and 10s. England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland have some of the most unattractive women in Europe. The attractive women in those countries are almost exclusively from Eastern Europe. Scandinavia is a bit better in that regard but the attitudes are just as worse. Last year my company sent me to Bristol for 2 weeks. I haven't seen one single girl worth approaching. The night life was a depressing cock fest during the week. Also visited my friend in Dublin. He actually left Poland to work there and now is considering coming back. His ex was a gorgeous blonde back home, he was joking that in Ireland he'd have to start a modelling agency to find that kind of girl. London two times was exactly what I was expecting: overpriced and overrated. Not sure where you pull those 7s but for me in Europe there are very few places where there is an abundance of 7s and they are almost exclusively concentrated in Eastern Europe. But hey, in the end everything is cool, if more guys go to Stockholm or Helsinki because it's not as "boring" as Warsaw then it's perfectly fine by me

Post: #3535

RE: discussion about Poland being worse than UK: Maybe Polish girls have become less interested in Mediterranean guys in the last few years? Especially due to the volume of spanish erasmus students, and Arabs hunting for sex. Maybe you think you're very attractive, but who's to say some girls find the hairy body thing and super-aggressive obvious PUA game to be a turnoff.

Post: #3536

(06-11-2017 11:20 PM)Joeno Wrote:  RE: discussion about Poland being worse than UK: Maybe Polish girls have become less interested in Mediterranean guys in the last few years? Especially due to the volume of spanish erasmus students, and Arabs hunting for sex. Maybe you think you're very attractive, but who's to say some girls find the hairy body thing and super-aggressive obvious PUA game to be a turnoff.

Even if Spanish, French and Italian are Mediterranean but a lot different in terms of behavior, look, life approach, that might be true, having this look is nowadays a big disadvantage in a big city. But don't think that instead Yanks or Aussies have easy life...

Post: #3537

This thread has started to have many similarities to 'Final thoughts on Spain and Europe in general. ))

Post: #3538

(06-11-2017 06:26 PM)Pointer Wrote:  It's hard for me to take seriously people who recommend countries like UK or Scandinavia for having fun. Quick ONS with drunk 7s in UK ? On what planet ? If the UK is swarming with 7s, then Poland is swimming in 9s and 10s. England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland have some of the most unattractive women in Europe. The attractive women in those countries are almost exclusively from Eastern Europe. Scandinavia is a bit better in that regard but the attitudes are just as worse. Last year my company sent me to Bristol for 2 weeks. I haven't seen one single girl worth approaching. The night life was a depressing cock fest during the week. Also visited my friend in Dublin. He actually left Poland to work there and now is considering coming back. His ex was a gorgeous blonde back home, he was joking that in Ireland he'd have to start a modelling agency to find that kind of girl. London two times was exactly what I was expecting: overpriced and overrated. Not sure where you pull those 7s but for me in Europe there are very few places where there is an abundance of 7s and they are almost exclusively concentrated in Eastern Europe. But hey, in the end everything is cool, if more guys go to Stockholm or Helsinki because it's not as "boring" as Warsaw then it's perfectly fine by me

That is exactly the point. You can easily go to the UK, Ireland, some areas of Germany and not see any attractive girl in days. Poland and eastern europe in general may not be as easy as many guys think, i agree on that. But what alternatives are there unless you are ok with girls below 7?

Post: #3539

There are better option if you want at all costs find an EE woman: Romania, Serbia, Croatia, Slovakia, Ukraine, Hungary. Anyway London is fine as apolis said, if you do your homework. Seems like you had traumatic experiences in West, I cannot buy the theory that it is difficult if you live in a touristic and student city. In Poland the tourists are 90% males, in West sometimes it is the opposite.

Post: #3540

Talking about 3 City, you have strong amount of thirsty Swedes good looking guys coming.
One thing though: just being not drunk makes the difference ^^

People says that we make bad press of Poland.
It is not the case, it is purely related to demographics.
It also depends of what you are looking for and your objectives.
You are fine with 7s? Well Poland is an excellent choice.
I have no problems getting 7s myself and I actually get approached every time I go out recently by such babes.
That's what you get for being fit, healthy and have some game (as Giacomo explained the criteria earlier in the thread)
However if your objective is the 8s and above then you fall into a completely different category... you can really feel like there is a very strong gap (maybe because I am in a 2nd tier city)
It is what I currently have issues to crack because there is a new criteria which seems to suddenly matter tremendously: your social standing.
It has been said again and again.
Just look at the demographics and match it with your criteria
Here is an example, I think it is quite accurate.
I look for , not below 22, 8+, speaking English HB
I could add "no tattoos of no smoking" but that would be way too tough ^^

Imagine below scenario
- you have 100 girls
- 60 talks decent English
- 30 are less than 22
- 8 are 8s and above
- 6 of those girls are taken
- So 2 x 8+ are available

Now on top of that they have to "like you", pretty tough odds huh?
Of course you can be approaching a lot, I actually hate that and I don't day game either. I have a better use of my time... so I might be at fault too.
You can be decent looking, have game ect... It will matter much less, peer pressure is higher at that point.
You need to be some kind of micro celebrity or give that feeling.
Even in EE those girls have a lot of options and being foreign in that case is a disadvantage.

But there is one category of foreigner for whom it does not apply: local entrepreneurs.
I notice that as soon you start being involved in any kind of business, women in Poland are super reactive to that.

Being a foreign white collar put you in a much lower status than home. Maybe because it translates into " I suck so much that my only option to get a job was here".
My job is very highly regarded in my home country, I talks with CEO and C-level of billions $ companies.... try to explain it here, it does not make sense. It does not give any emotions to a girl.
In my case my status is not congruent, I have the ego and expectations of some-one who does, realistically, have very good value back home.
Here I could say I am a working in customer service, it would be the same.
Simply because women won't relate to that, it is something unknown to them

Post: #3541

(06-12-2017 06:49 AM)Sleek2b Wrote:  I have no problems getting 7s myself and I actually get approached every time I go out recently by such babes.

Post: #3542

As usual you isolate a part of the conversation, try instead to reflect on all the other considerations in the post of sleek. According to his description he has a overall value of 8/9 in Poland, so his example isn't applicable for the average Joe or the cheap tourist. It is understandable his will to find a girl who is at his level.

Post: #3543

For 9s and 10s you either have to be rich (sponsor) or have model looks, or have celebrity status (actors, athletes, ecc) pretty much everywhere in the world. In villages these girls (if they exist there) may go for the local guy they had a crush growing up but foreigners still have no chance

Daygame, nightgame, online game ecc are cool for meeting 6s and 7s, but for the highest tier girls social circle game is the way to go (even for 7s).
Breaking into good social circles in places like Spain/Italy/Portugal is close to impossible because guys are thirsty as fuck and other than some superficial friendliness you won't get anything else from them. They don't want you inside their social circle because they only see you as another cock that try to steal "their" girls. It's like a lion's way of living. Very closed knitted social circles.

In places like Ukraine, on the other hand, guys were much friendlier with me and you can tell they live in some kind of abundance. Actually some of them even wanted to wing me, open girls for me and introduced me to their friends. It was crazy and, coming from South Europe, I had my guard up because things like that would have never happened where I live. I actually thought I was getting scammed but I wasn't....they were simply friendly.
Places like that can be gold because if you stay long term you can have a social circle big enough to get to know the hot girls without the gold digger vibe you find in high end places in Kiev (the kind of hot girls you see in the Kiev subway, shopping centers, parks, eccc).
And of course getting introduced to these girls from a common friend is much more high value than approaching them during the day, especially in Ukraine where there is a strong sex tourist creep vibe placed on foreigners.

Post: #3544

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Post: #3545

(06-11-2017 09:19 AM)StepUp Wrote:  Giacomo my experience with polish girls has been different and I found it much easier than the West for a variety of reasons. Sure there are some problems, mainly the invasion from tourists and erasmus students but it's still better than in most of the West where even 4/10 are entitled and with a bad personality or require a social circle to pull them (this is especially true in South Europe, the real pussy hell in Europe).

For example, I noticed some guys here suggested that Scandinavia is easier

I've been in Sweden for a weekend and it didn't feel like it's easier, actually much harder and for sure I won't be back.
The impressions I got:

- Much more expensive, impossible to bounce from one club to another if you're on a tight budget. Actually I couldn't even live there for a month.
- Most overrated girls on the planet. Swedish girls are nice when they're teenagers (I met lots of them when I was in high school and took vacations in Malta in language schools), but they lose their beauty very fast. You'll meet lots and lots of chubby girls and butterfaces. The few hot ones are absolutely impossible to get.
- You pass from dealing with some of the ugliest and poorest guys in Europe (Polish guys) to some of the most good looking guys in Europe (Swedish/Norwegian guys). And they're much richer too. Your competition is much higher.
- Sweden is a culture that is very social circle oriented, especially when it comes to the few good looking girls. As a foreigner you just can't get to know them, swedish guys will cockblock you as soon as you get near a barely decent girls.
- Being hardcore feminists their personality is not pleasing at all, unless you like to deal with tomboys.
- ONS as a foreigner are only limited to clubs' skanks. So if you're into 4s and 5s just for getting the flag....sure it's a good place, otherwise you had better stay away

If you have a budget high enough to hit Scandinavia, then just go to Moscow

I tend to agree with you in some of your points.

Sweden is indeed one of the most expensive countries in Europe and girls are way to overrated. many are a bit fat and have butter faces.

However ONS do happen and are not far away from being a norm. ONSs might happen more in Norway actually.

Do the 9s get ONS? well of course not and this is understandable.

However being cocblocked and having as challenge the swedish guys is totally a failure.

Swedish guys are some of the most feminised males in europe and lack game totally.

Anyway experience change from one guy to another, but in the end i would never consider Poland as easier than sweden.

Post: #3546

I'm landing in Krakow 1st of July. Which cities in Poland do you think are best for summer?

I was thinking of staying in Krakow and Wroclaw. But appears Gdansk or Warsaw might be better.

Post: #3547

(06-12-2017 06:49 AM)Sleek2b Wrote:  Imagine below scenario
- you have 100 girls
- 60 talks decent English
- 30 are less than 22
- 8 are 8s and above
- 6 of those girls are taken
- So 2 x 8+ are available

I see an opportunity to compare this list to English/American women, and perhaps make a point in doing so.

-100 girls
-20 of them speak English with proper grammar and coherence (I'm being generous here)
-10 are between 22-28
-2 of them are 8 or above
-Both of them are taken

50 of the previous girls probably have a child from a previous relationship
In Poland only the ones in a marriage do.

Post: #3548

I am surprised you did not add the:
- X girls are not overweight ^^

Post: #3549

Anyone know how Wroclaw is in late october-november? Thinking about going there.

Post: #3550

Once every two months I date a Polish girl in London but without having any expectations, as I could never imagine myself being in a relationship with this kind of woman. I usually set up 2 dates on the same day and the Polish girl is always the first, as ONS is out of reach.
She comes from South Poland and after 10 years in London, she works 3 jobs / 7 days, goes to church and looking for a boyfriend / husband. I asked her ''But you don't have any time for a boyfriend and she replied ''The man should adapt to my lifestyle(!)''
At some point, she also said ''OK, I will give you a chance.''

Of course, the date ended with me saying ''Get the fuck out of here.''