Post: #3501

(06-04-2017 02:23 PM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 08:15 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  Attention, Poland expert and international playboy GC speaks for Brazilians. Not only this, but he drops nuggets of advice: don't bother learning game because flirting doesn't work. Instead, just be a nice guy and be extra polite and your chances of getting a girl to bed will be higher.

You wrote a post that wants to be ironic but I underline what is actually fairly true especially if you are Polish. A direct and confident approach with flirting works well in West but in Poland you are quickly regarded as a player and it is not accepted well. I had a SNL with a Brazilian girl operating in this way few years ago, it wouldn't have worked in the same way with a Polish girl. Yes, probably at that time my nationality, international background and look were a good match for a pretty Brazilian girl also.

@Gopnik, again, what we keep repeating is that:
- look/fashion style
- tanning
- savoir faire/game
- confidence
- foreign nationality
- backroll/social status
- traveled/interesting life
- gym physique
Are all factors which are important to increase your SMV in Western/South American/FSU countries - with surely some countries differences, but they aren't giving you any kind of competitive advantage over the average Polish guy in Poland. Interest in a "mediterrean/latin groupies"? You are the foreigner perhaps number 10 of the week that is talking to a girl if you live in a 2nd tier city. And even if the previous 9 foreigners "didn't do their homework" unlike you did, you will be just the n-horny "mediterrean" guy for them.

A pattern that happens usually is in the night is:
- you approach, receive initial interest from a girl (wow, he is Swiss/French/Spanish/Greek/etc. - good looking, confident guy, soooo cute when speaks Polish)
- you could even start making out with her (more frequent in the past, now you should at least spend 1/2 hour of dancing/talking/stuff; previously it was almost instantaneous)
- you make escalation, run game, she rationalizes that you are a foreigner, and she starts the usual line "you as a foreigner want only to fuck"
- this is not a shit test that you can overcome with a prompt answer, I made several attempts or even ignore and my friends as well but nothing worked. She already changed idea and she is ready to leave. You can try sometimes to say: "are you able to just enjoy the moment, drinking a glass of wine, not thinking too much about what will happen" but even if you are really interested to meet again this girl, generally she then will not answer to messages/flakes
- and maybe you will see the same girl with a Polish guy later.

Then the main question is about your post: "I actually met a Brazilian guy who was killing it in Krakow." - what doesn't it mean? He was really actually bedding girls or just receiving random interest which isn't going anywhere 99% of the time? Would this guy with the same background be able to do a lot better in the West? (Arguably the answer here might be "yes!").
You should regard yourself lucky to have the chance to live in Russia where at least the girls like a "strong/confident/responsible of his actions" man.

Of course it isn't easier to get laid in Poland than in the west. The difference is, with most western girls I don't WANT to get laid, so it doesn't matter for me if I'm doing well with them.
Also it isn't a secret that polish guys will have it easier, since they can rely on social circles which is the number 1 way to get attractive girls. Same in every country.
Build up a social circle in poland as a good looking foreigner and there is nothing in your way.
Btw I know polish girls who have/had foreign boyfriends, even living in different countries.

Post: #3502

(06-04-2017 02:23 PM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  A pattern that happens usually is in the night is:
- you approach, receive initial interest from a girl (wow, he is Swiss/French/Spanish/Greek/etc. - good looking, confident guy, soooo cute when speaks Polish)
- you could even start making out with her (more frequent in the past, now you should at least spend 1/2 hour of dancing/talking/stuff; previously it was almost instantaneous)
- you make escalation, run game, she rationalizes that you are a foreigner, and she starts the usual line "you as a foreigner want only to fuck"
- this is not a shit test that you can overcome with a prompt answer, I made several attempts or even ignore and my friends as well but nothing worked. She already changed idea and she is ready to leave. You can try sometimes to say: "are you able to just enjoy the moment, drinking a glass of wine, not thinking too much about what will happen" but even if you are really interested to meet again this girl, generally she then will not answer to messages/flakes
- and maybe you will see the same girl with a Polish guy later.

Then the main question is about your post: "I actually met a Brazilian guy who was killing it in Krakow." - what doesn't it mean? He was really actually bedding girls or just receiving random interest which isn't going anywhere 99% of the time? Would this guy with the same background be able to do a lot better in the West? (Arguably the answer here might be "yes!").
You should regard yourself lucky to have the chance to live in Russia where at least the girls like a "strong/confident/responsible of his actions" man.

I can tell you right away what you're doing wrong. If you keep repeating the same things over and over you'll get nowhere. What worked in the past is not necessarily a good indicator of what works today. I'm sure in the '90s it must've been super easy to meet high quality girls just by showing up.

Phone numbers don't mean shit. You need to make a lasting impression. I find it ridiculous that those hacks on Real Social Dynamics do boot camps in Poland. Polish girls will give you their phone number because they are too nice and can't say no, they'll even give it to you out of pity. You might as well wipe your ass with it. I swear I'd set up a Youtube channel tomorrow if I could monetize this bullshit.
I used to collect so many numbers that when I finally met a girl I was confused, expecting a totally different chick. Don't go for the number unless the conversation naturally leads to that point. More on this below.

Kissing a girl as soon as you meet her is a huge anti-slut defense trigger. I've experienced it myself and I've seen dozens of guys walking out empty handed after making this mistake. It's possibly the worst thing you can do. She will automatically classify you as a "foreigner who just wants to fuck". Also, in the majority of cases she will ghost on you when trying to set up a date. The worst thing about it is that she will let you kiss her and put up no resistance. Logically you'd assume that you're on your way to getting laid...wrong...I learned this from one of the hottest girls I ever dated who told me the reason she chose to meet up is because I didn't make any moves on her. It sounds fucked up but this is the way Polish women operate. You just have to be patient.

The ideal approach is to display your value, talk some Polish, joke about why you are here but don't reveal too much about yourself. Girls love mystery and they will want to know more, it will combat flakiness. Think about why girls like foreigners, it's usually because there's a bit more to them that meets the eye. You should set a time constraint from the beginning and be quick but not so fast as to rush the interaction. This is where you have to put a lot of work in perfecting. Ideally you should isolate before going for the number:

-I need to go but it was a pleasure meeting you, we should catch up sometime. Do you have whatsapp ?

You should never ask for a number directly, it should just be a means to communicate later on, not some sort of obligation on her part. Leave and set up a date in the following days. That's when you start escalating.

You should also focus on students and go out exclusively during the week. Students generally go home for the weekend. In Krakow I recommend the cheap bars like Pijalnia or Bania Luka and clubs like Shakers, Four, Prozak or Afera. If you go to all of these in the same night there's no way you won't a few dozen girls worth approaching. However, a good spot in spring may be crappy in the summer, you'll have to find your own niches.

After you put in a solid month of approaches that deliver consistent follow-ups you will start seeing results. You'll get so much ass that it will be overwhelming

Post: #3503

^^ Great Post!

Also, this is universal, not only regarding Poland. Only exception is when she is the tourist or sex-tourist, then you have to go fast for the kill.

Quote:Kissing a girl as soon as you meet her is a huge anti-slut defense trigger. I've experienced it myself and I've seen dozens of guys walking out empty handed after making this mistake. It's possibly the worst thing you can do. She will automatically classify you as a "foreigner who just wants to fuck". Also, in the majority of cases she will ghost on you when trying to set up a date. The worst thing about it is that she will let you kiss her and put up no resistance. Logically you'd assume that you're on your way to getting laid...wrong...I learned this from one of the hottest girls I ever dated who told me the reason she chose to meet up is because I didn't make any moves on her. It sounds fucked up but this is the way Polish women operate. You just have to be patient.

Post: #3504

(06-04-2017 06:55 PM)Pointer Wrote:  I can tell you right away what you're doing wrong. If you keep repeating the same things over and over you'll get nowhere. What worked in the past is not necessarily a good indicator of what works today. I'm sure in the '90s it must've been super easy to meet high quality girls just by showing up.

Phone numbers don't mean shit. You need to make a lasting impression. I find it ridiculous that those hacks on Real Social Dynamics do boot camps in Poland. Polish girls will give you their phone number because they are too nice and can't say no, they'll even give it to you out of pity. You might as well wipe your ass with it. I swear I'd set up a Youtube channel tomorrow if I could monetize this bullshit.
I used to collect so many numbers that when I finally met a girl I was confused, expecting a totally different chick. Don't go for the number unless the conversation naturally leads to that point. More on this below.

Phone number is to generalize a way of further contact. Lately I have been trying to take a contact via instagram which is a way to display value with my photos to avoid the whatsup/facebook usual stuff that all guys do. So this is done generally through a routine during the conversation.

Quote:Kissing a girl as soon as you meet her is a huge anti-slut defense trigger. I've experienced it myself and I've seen dozens of guys walking out empty handed after making this mistake. It's possibly the worst thing you can do. She will automatically classify you as a "foreigner who just wants to fuck". Also, in the majority of cases she will ghost on you when trying to set up a date. The worst thing about it is that she will let you kiss her and put up no resistance. Logically you'd assume that you're on your way to getting laid...wrong...I learned this from one of the hottest girls I ever dated who told me the reason she chose to meet up is because I didn't make any moves on her. It sounds fucked up but this is the way Polish women operate. You just have to be patient.

This is a question of argument for ages with many of my friends. Someone think that it is better to kiss in the end of the interaction, others at the beginning, others only in the bed, etc. When I go out for hunting my target is to get laid, not to take a bunch of useless contacts. Nowadays the girls are contacted everywhere from various sources from guys, take a "contact" or a "number" doesn't mean anything and about that I agree with you. This strategy has been consistently bringing me solid results. I keep repeating and there is an old post of Roosh about that as well, if in a club you should kiss a girl or not. Let's make the example that a girl has been approached 20 times in a night, she gave 5 numbers, and she kissed 2 guys. Check out this post of DigitalNomad that answered to some of my questions (/thread-60276...pid1584037) and the importance that he puts on the kiss. Do you think she will answer to the guys that kissed there and create some sort of connection or rather the guys who talked and didn't make any move? Generally I have a totally different experience from yours, when I am not at least kissing a girl in the first meeting or the first date, you're not going anywhere later, because she is having plenty of conversations with many "interesting" foreigners, but not kissing means no sexual interest in them.

Quote:The ideal approach is to display your value, talk some Polish, joke about why you are here but don't reveal too much about yourself. Girls love mystery and they will want to know more, it will combat flakiness. Think about why girls like foreigners, it's usually because there's a bit more to them that meets the eye. You should set a time constraint from the beginning and be quick but not so fast as to rush the interaction. This is where you have to put a lot of work in perfecting. Ideally you should isolate before going for the number:

-I need to go but it was a pleasure meeting you, we should catch up sometime. Do you have whatsapp ?

You should never ask for a number directly, it should just be a means to communicate later on, not some sort of obligation on her part. Leave and set up a date in the following days. That's when you start escalating.

Your strategy can be correct, and I operate more or less in this way generally during day game. In the night game with high energy it will not work because you need to speed up your approach and escalate faster and use direct game. I rely on look generally.

Quote:You should also focus on students and go out exclusively during the week. Students generally go home for the weekend. In Krakow I recommend the cheap bars like Pijalnia or Bania Luka and clubs like Shakers, Four, Prozak or Afera. If you go to all of these in the same night there's no way you won't a few dozen girls worth approaching. However, a good spot in spring may be crappy in the summer, you'll have to find your own niches.

After you put in a solid month of approaches that deliver consistent follow-ups you will start seeing results. You'll get so much ass that it will be overwhelming

These clubs used to be good in the past but now generally due are pretty empty during the week. Students don't go out a lot anymore during the week, and if you work full time and workout constantly in the evening this is not a reliable strategy because you must sleep in the night. Students are the most flakey and it is better in my opinion to focus on girls over 25 that work and generally have more interests than sitting and drinking a beer talking about nothing like students did.
A month of visits every weekend in 3rd/4th tier cities is more consistent rather than being in the same spoiled city.
Good considerations anyway Pointer from your side, I take into account your point of view.

Post: #3505

(06-04-2017 07:36 PM)Rocha Wrote:  ^^ Great Post!

Also, this is universal, not only regarding Poland. Only exception is when she is the tourist or sex-tourist, then you have to go fast for the kill.

Quote:Kissing a girl as soon as you meet her is a huge anti-slut defense trigger. I've experienced it myself and I've seen dozens of guys walking out empty handed after making this mistake. It's possibly the worst thing you can do. She will automatically classify you as a "foreigner who just wants to fuck". Also, in the majority of cases she will ghost on you when trying to set up a date. The worst thing about it is that she will let you kiss her and put up no resistance. Logically you'd assume that you're on your way to getting laid...wrong...I learned this from one of the hottest girls I ever dated who told me the reason she chose to meet up is because I didn't make any moves on her. It sounds fucked up but this is the way Polish women operate. You just have to be patient.

Always go for the kiss and the bang either she is a 3 or a 10.

Women are mentally fucked up and if you don't try anything she will think you are not passionate and put you in the 'I see you as a friend category.'

If you try, she will think you are looking for sex.

Does it make any sense?

Every second assessment in a bangable woman's mind will be negative about you, if you have not established some erotic connection straight away.

I'm talking about big city game obviously.

If you hunting in some Eastern European shithole, the 'no kiss / bang on the first date' applies, as the options are limited.

A lot of BS applies as well, that's why I avoid 2nd tier cities like the plague.

Post: #3506

Girls don't get approached as much as you think during the week. Besides, a bunch of stag party guys and a few drunk Polish dudes on the dance floor are no competition. If she drinks too much and kisses a guy I can safely say that she won't be rushing to meet him the next day...on the contrary...It was fairly common for me to find good ratios in the bars & clubs during the week. I think the problem in Krakow right now is that a lot of new places are popping up. I've heard there's like 2 new Bania Lukas and a couple new student clubs. That means you have a distribution of girls all over the place which is obviously not cool.

Of course you also need to play a numbers game but generally during the week, the girls are more relaxed and don't expect to be approached. The odds are in your favor. During the week-end you have a lot of working class girls who get a lot of attention since the students are not in town. Also, there are 3 times as many guys (and this is not a joke...) who want to get laid. Of course, in other cities the situation may be better. I'm talking about Krakow to which I haven't been to in a long time and personally don't plan on going back.

Another thing I wanted to add is that in Poland you don't need to stay up late. If by 2AM you're still walking dick in hand it's better to go home...The majority of Polish people go out around 6PM for dinner (that means straight after work). First a restaurant, then they hit the bars around 8 or 9PM. Between 11PM and 1AM it's peak time for clubbing. After that you have diminishing returns...
If they're broke students they'll eat and pre-drink at home then go out between 8 and 9PM as well.

That's why you only need to be operational from 8PM to 1AM 3 days a week. It's not so easy to do when you have a job but it's not impossible either. Of course I'm not counting the time you'll spend on dates afterwards but for me that's not so exhausting as doing approaches.

Post: #3507

(06-05-2017 10:54 AM)apolis Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 07:36 PM)Rocha Wrote:  ^^ Great Post!

Also, this is universal, not only regarding Poland. Only exception is when she is the tourist or sex-tourist, then you have to go fast for the kill.

Quote:Kissing a girl as soon as you meet her is a huge anti-slut defense trigger. I've experienced it myself and I've seen dozens of guys walking out empty handed after making this mistake. It's possibly the worst thing you can do. She will automatically classify you as a "foreigner who just wants to fuck". Also, in the majority of cases she will ghost on you when trying to set up a date. The worst thing about it is that she will let you kiss her and put up no resistance. Logically you'd assume that you're on your way to getting laid...wrong...I learned this from one of the hottest girls I ever dated who told me the reason she chose to meet up is because I didn't make any moves on her. It sounds fucked up but this is the way Polish women operate. You just have to be patient.

Always go for the kiss and the bang either she is a 3 or a 10.

Women are mentally fucked up and if you don't try anything she will think you are not passionate and put you in the 'I see you as a friend category.'

If you try, she will think you are looking for sex.

Does it make any sense?

Every second assessment in a bangable woman's mind will be negative about you, if you have not established some erotic connection straight away.

I'm talking about big city game obviously.

If you hunting in some Eastern European shithole, the 'no kiss / bang on the first date' applies, as the options are limited.

A lot of BS applies as well, that's why I avoid 2nd tier cities like the plague.

The point is not if, but when. And certainly not very fast. It has to be well timed, and with the certain weight and measure.

Post: #3508

You can't take DigitalNomad's experiences and apply them directly to you; he is one who somehow defies the laws of physics to pull off the impossible, one of the guys who somehow makes exceptions to the rule work. His subcommunications and other tactics we aren't aware of can't all be conveyed by logical advice on a forum.

It is generally better at night (or on a date) not to kiss a girl until you are in a private place to have sex. There are always going to be exceptions who will kiss and then also have sex but this doesn't invalidate the generalization. Especially if you're in a place where girls are wary of sex tourists; they actually might want more with you, and perhaps the same as you want - a relationship - but they just do not trust that you are sticking around. Sometimes a more fluid response is required depending on the situation and being a "nice" guy (n.b. not a complete pushover though) who is assuring and takes his time might be the better bet.

DigitalNomad likes and selects for western sluts or western behavior oriented sluts in (many well known) party locations with copious amounts of alcohol involved, and relies on momentum and fast logistics to get bangs, from what I could tell. This way, his prospects have already filtered themselves as girls looking for hookups, then they are drunk, then on top of that DigitalNomad makes them horny, then finally he conveniently has a room/bed nearby. Momentum pulls. A shortened version of this would be night gutter game where the girl is a western slut who is drunk at 3am. DN runs up on her and is nice and charming with a convenient room 2 mins walk away with more drinks on ice. You might actually do better if you polarize in Poland either extreme, but you're likely to get higher quality and higher retention and frankly better results by perhaps not doing what DN is doing in, say, top party hostels in SA or on top party islands in Greece.

The best way is to touch a bit but a tiny little hug when she says or does something you can 'reward' her for. Or a sideward waist grab, very quick. That's all. Enough for her to not put you in the "he's never going to try anything" zone but not enough for her to "he's definitely going to bang me" zone. It's odd but there has to be a bit of a question mark over going to your private place for drinks/movie/to show her X. Plausible deniability.

Ex. 1 - didn't kiss or touch girl at all on 1st date. No sexual vibe at all. Both felt of wtf are we doing here. She made an excuse and left despite good vibe on 1st meeting in club. Not helped that she looked better at the club.

Ex. 2 - felt I should kiss more on dates so kissed this one too much on date and she was not drunk. Refused to go home, even under pretext. Never saw her again.

Ex. 3 - asked her questions about herself and light touch or hug when she said something I [pretended to] think was impressive. A bit of a sexual vibe but not much. Casually asked her to come back to watch movie. As soon as in private kissed her, it escalated naturally and (sober) bang.

Ex. 4 - similar to 3, brought her home on 1st date, again sober, got to making out on bed, would not even let me touch her vagina even outside her jeans. Either she hadn't shaved/washed down there or she just had a 3rd date rule. Bang on 3rd date.

Ex. 5 - Called me for date with a few slight [strong for girls] innuendos. No real touching except hug on hello. Picked me up for date, suggested food, I suggested she take me home to listen to a Raekwon the Chef which we both bizarrely liked. Oddly nervous at home as it was quick (and sober), so took 2 hours of awkwardness but in the end just pulled her in for the kiss and she ripped my trousers down and started jerking off furiously my dick. When there is no precum that can actually hurt from friction or worse snapping the string so I had to tell her to calm down. Sexy purple underwear. Before I even touched her down there she had vagina juice dripping down the inside of her right thigh down to the inside of her knee. She was clearly looking for it from anywhere judging by how insane she was for dick. A 5 but her enthusiasm for jerking my dick at world record speed still arouses me to this day.


Ex. 6 - Highschool. Made out loads of times before sex. The old days when making out tons of times and hanging out tons of times before sex didn't deny you sex. Can't do that these days anymore

Post: #3509

(06-04-2017 05:24 PM)oceanic Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 02:23 PM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 08:15 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  Attention, Poland expert and international playboy GC speaks for Brazilians. Not only this, but he drops nuggets of advice: don't bother learning game because flirting doesn't work. Instead, just be a nice guy and be extra polite and your chances of getting a girl to bed will be higher.

You wrote a post that wants to be ironic but I underline what is actually fairly true especially if you are Polish. A direct and confident approach with flirting works well in West but in Poland you are quickly regarded as a player and it is not accepted well. I had a SNL with a Brazilian girl operating in this way few years ago, it wouldn't have worked in the same way with a Polish girl. Yes, probably at that time my nationality, international background and look were a good match for a pretty Brazilian girl also.

@Gopnik, again, what we keep repeating is that:
- look/fashion style
- tanning
- savoir faire/game
- confidence
- foreign nationality
- backroll/social status
- traveled/interesting life
- gym physique
Are all factors which are important to increase your SMV in Western/South American/FSU countries - with surely some countries differences, but they aren't giving you any kind of competitive advantage over the average Polish guy in Poland. Interest in a "mediterrean/latin groupies"? You are the foreigner perhaps number 10 of the week that is talking to a girl if you live in a 2nd tier city. And even if the previous 9 foreigners "didn't do their homework" unlike you did, you will be just the n-horny "mediterrean" guy for them.

A pattern that happens usually is in the night is:
- you approach, receive initial interest from a girl (wow, he is Swiss/French/Spanish/Greek/etc. - good looking, confident guy, soooo cute when speaks Polish)
- you could even start making out with her (more frequent in the past, now you should at least spend 1/2 hour of dancing/talking/stuff; previously it was almost instantaneous)
- you make escalation, run game, she rationalizes that you are a foreigner, and she starts the usual line "you as a foreigner want only to fuck"
- this is not a shit test that you can overcome with a prompt answer, I made several attempts or even ignore and my friends as well but nothing worked. She already changed idea and she is ready to leave. You can try sometimes to say: "are you able to just enjoy the moment, drinking a glass of wine, not thinking too much about what will happen" but even if you are really interested to meet again this girl, generally she then will not answer to messages/flakes
- and maybe you will see the same girl with a Polish guy later.

Then the main question is about your post: "I actually met a Brazilian guy who was killing it in Krakow." - what doesn't it mean? He was really actually bedding girls or just receiving random interest which isn't going anywhere 99% of the time? Would this guy with the same background be able to do a lot better in the West? (Arguably the answer here might be "yes!").
You should regard yourself lucky to have the chance to live in Russia where at least the girls like a "strong/confident/responsible of his actions" man.

Of course it isn't easier to get laid in Poland than in the west. The difference is, with most western girls I don't WANT to get laid, so it doesn't matter for me if I'm doing well with them.
Also it isn't a secret that polish guys will have it easier, since they can rely on social circles which is the number 1 way to get attractive girls. Same in every country.
Build up a social circle in poland as a good looking foreigner and there is nothing in your way.
Btw I know polish girls who have/had foreign boyfriends, even living in different countries.

How can one build up a social circle in 2nd tier cities if he is working there?

Is it normal to mingle/have after work drinks with colleagues or are there some kind of clubs that one should seek out?

As someone starting out with zero polish but with an intention to learn how in your opinion, would the beginning days be?

Post: #3510

Moving to m UK and want to spend some time in Poland first. Which of the major cities are good 2017?

I'm looking at Wroclaw and Krakow. Both seems well rated but small and afraid I'd bore myself there for 2 weeks+.

The other is Warsaw. Just like any other big city, low foreigner value, but more chances and more anonymity.

I've never been to wroclaw but have the other 2 many years ago.

Post: #3511

Lately I have noticed a new situation going on here in Poland and I made some reflections. The only girls who seem to have good energy, enjoying the night, drinking, letting you escalate are the ones who are 18, maximum 19/20 years old, and who are before the university or maximum in the first year. They are fresh and we share the same good energy especially during party.
The idea behind is that they still are not in the loop and in the Polish rat race, being constantly "busy", and aren't brainwashed with the all the political, religious and social bullshit. Secondly they value high energy and good look. I have been relying on good look and high energy for my game (that's why in West and with Western girls I have no real competition), and I am quite successful with this niche. Surely I cannot say that they are good for a relationship in general, but at least you can have a fancy night with them; going out on a date with a girl who is over 20 is generally terribly boring in Poland and you must be political correct and play like an actor. They always complain and discuss about study, work, etc. Always negative about everything.
Another consideration is about the fact that I am speaking with many foreign residents in Poland, and all of them share my view about the decline, and the fact that the majority of girls here have nowadays a terrible attitude, girls are no longer getting laid like in the past, and flakes are skyrocketing.

Post: #3512

(06-10-2017 06:17 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  Lately I have noticed a new situation going on here in Poland and I made some reflections. The only girls who seem to have good energy, enjoying the night, drinking, letting you escalate are the ones who are 18, maximum 19/20 years old, and who are before the university or maximum in the first year. They are fresh and we share the same good energy especially during party.
The idea behind is that they still are not in the loop and in the Polish rat race, being constantly "busy", and aren't brainwashed with the all the political, religious and social bullshit. Secondly they value high energy and good look. I have been relying on good look and high energy for my game (that's why in West and with Western girls I have no real competition), and I am quite successful with this niche. Surely I cannot say that they are good for a relationship in general, but at least you can have a fancy night with them; going out on a date with a girl who is over 20 is generally terribly boring in Poland and you must be political correct and play like an actor. They always complain and discuss about study, work, etc. Always negative about everything.
Another consideration is about the fact that I am speaking with many foreign residents in Poland, and all of them share my view about the decline, and the fact that the majority of girls here have nowadays a terrible attitude, girls are no longer getting laid like in the past, and flakes are skyrocketing.

I think it would be more helpful to specify which cities you’re talking about rather than generalizing. Young college chicks are more fun and party way harder than the older ones in every city in the world. I'm not sure I buy the argument that careers are making women super flaky. Even if it's a bit harder to get her out, she's still making time for somebody to bang her out. When in doubt, I would blame yourself or your game before blaming socioeconomic trends because its probably a full order of magnitude more important.

You’re saying that your game is mostly reliant on looks and high energy partying, so wouldn’t you expect to have a lot more trouble attracting an older or more cerebral demographic for a serious relationship? It’s completely your fault for wasting time on a date with a stiff, politically correct career girl. You could easily screen for these qualities within the first few minutes of conversation.

Post: #3513

(06-10-2017 08:08 AM)jcardial Wrote:  I think it would be more helpful to specify which cities you’re talking about rather than generalizing. Young college chicks are more fun and party way harder than the older ones in every city in the world. I'm not sure I buy the argument that careers are making women super flaky. Even if it's a bit harder to get her out, she's still making time for somebody to bang her out. When in doubt, I would blame yourself or your game before blaming socioeconomic trends because its probably a full order of magnitude more important.

You’re saying that your game is mostly reliant on looks and high energy partying, so wouldn’t you expect to have a lot more trouble attracting an older or more cerebral demographic for a serious relationship? It’s completely your fault for wasting time on a date with a stiff, politically correct career girl. You could easily screen for these qualities within the first few minutes of conversation.

I have already clarified that this is specific of the city of Flaków, but it can be expanded to a lesser extent to other Polish towns. About the screening, let's start saying that in Poland during a date if you start escalating, say that you don't go to church every Sunday, sub communicate sexual messages, that you aren't needy, and you are indipendent, and adding to the conversation a bit of romance...they are "afraid" of being with such a confident and "player" man, they prefer boring dudes. Hence even if you want to play the "anti/game" of an actor, you can do it, do tons of dates and maybe eventually shag the girl, but it is terribly boring for me and time is everything for me. Hence the high energy and good look similarly to the model game of Digital Nomad. The main part of this game is filtering the time wasters.
As it was told before in the thread girls are the copy of the copy here and there is a single way of thinking. In America and West there are also some social correctness bullshit, but you can find out of the box girls as well more often.
So the juice of the reflection: if you are out in the night, find a girl who wants enjoy the life, fancy a drink, dance intimately, mostly between 18-20, and free from the rat race and bullshit. I am focusing on this niche and I am enjoying their company, sometimes you can also shag and even meeting them further; actually after they flake less than the girls on whom you run "usual and politically correct game".

Post: #3514

Too many complains about Poland
Maybe it got worse in the last 5 years, but what country haven't gotten worse? Maybe some 4th world shithole and probably not even them.
With so many dating app, instagram ecc girls can now have access to high value and good looking guys easier than taking food off a shelf so nowhere in the world is easy, especially with good looking girls.

Polish girls in my opinion have the best personality out of all other countries. Friendly, sweet, feminine, talkative, funny...total sweetheart.
And as far as how difficult it is, I don't agree that in the West is easier...come on, this is totally not true.

Almost anybody in the West in dating down, in Poland almost anybody is dating up...sometimes considerably higher.

So stop making excuses

Post: #3515

Visited Poland only for a couple of weekends?

Post: #3516

It is more than obvious that the majority of the people that write in this thread have no idea or very little idea of the country and the peoples mentality.As a permanent here,speaking the language, having integrated to a degree into locals i confirm that whatever casanova or sleek2 write are exactly correct.period

Post: #3517

(06-10-2017 10:56 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  Visited Poland only for a couple of weekends?

More, but your opinion about Poland and your story is sketchy
You claim to be a good looking guy, mediterranean, living there, speaking the language and you can't get laid. In Poland.

I'd like to ask you a couple of questions:

1) If you live there why you don't run social circle game? Polish girls are friendly, will give you their facebook, introduce you to her girlfriends quickly. It's the easiest way to pull quality...you live there and you couldn't create a social circle with polish girls and you even speak the language. Sounds crazy because I could get into their social circle and I got introduced to so many polish girls without even living in Poland

2) If they don't reply to you or they flake on you that often maybe is because you aren't their first option. Girls that are on Tinder or often go to clubs get approached/matched hundreds of times so for sure you're just "one of the others". Why do you think you're the first in their list? And good looking girls, even if single, almost always have somebody that already fuck them...it can be her ex boyfriend, a FWB, some local dude ecc. But for sure she has sex. She doesn't have to meet you to have sex. So unless you provide something special she has no reason to meet you as fast as you want.

3) If in the West is so easy, why don't you come back? I skimmed through your post and it's more than one year that you complain about Poland but you're still there somehow...

Post: #3518

Social circle won't work for Giacomo. He's just looking for fast notches.
Social circle will give you access to potentially higher quality girls but that's only if you're prepared to enter a relationship. You can't be banging girls left and right without consequences, word spreads

Post: #3519

(06-10-2017 12:12 PM)StepUp Wrote:  More, but your opinion about Poland and your story is sketchy
You claim to be a good looking guy, mediterranean, living there, speaking the language and you can't get laid. In Poland.

I have never said that "I cannot get laid". You can achieve some results as a foreigner who works seriously and is doing his homework (independent, good look, living alone and centrally located, good cash flow, solid game, gym physique, etc.); but...consideration: 90/95% of foreigners are not doing the homework, especially the Fri-Sun tourists who are then surprised when I am hugging in dancefloor the cutest 18years old lady of the club.
We keep repeating that the process itself is extremely painful and it doesn't satisfy. For a guy doing his homework, you have to put 5x the efforts compared to West to be successful with a cute/very cute girl. Good luck also if you want to start a relationship, I am not totally "closed" for this opportunity, but it is very arduous to find a relationship girl who satisfy you in all aspects, if you are not Polish. In West the attraction for an high value guy is instantaneous, so the competition is instantly destroyed. The seduction here is very unnatural and in the end you get tired and frustrated to deal with time wasters.

Quote:1) If you live there why you don't run social circle game? Polish girls are friendly, will give you their facebook, introduce you to her girlfriends quickly. It's the easiest way to pull quality...you live there and you couldn't create a social circle with polish girls and you even speak the language. Sounds crazy because I could get into their social circle and I got introduced to so many polish girls without even living in Poland

Here it is not Switzerland, UK or USA where it is easy to catch up after work for a few drinks. If you are a student it is good, but people over 25 (with some exceptions surely) have stuff going on with family, girlfriends, sons. Yes sometimes you can enjoy a football match of Cracovia, or going to a picnic, play FIFA, surely interesting activities, but nothing that helps to get to know a huge amount of girls. The best option is being a student, that changes the cards on the table, but you cannot be 20 years old and going to university all your life.
It happened few times in the past that I met girls though social circles and I was successful, but it is not really easy as you think.

Quote:2) If they don't reply to you or they flake on you that often maybe is because you aren't their first option. Girls that are on Tinder or often go to clubs get approached/matched hundreds of times so for sure you're just "one of the others". Why do you think you're the first in their list? And good looking girls, even if single, almost always have somebody that already fuck them...it can be her ex boyfriend, a FWB, some local dude ecc. But for sure she has sex. She doesn't have to meet you to have sex. So unless you provide something special she has no reason to meet you as fast as you want.

I can buy your ideas, but it leads to the main issue: are they able to understand that I (or you) can provide something special? Western, but also Ukrainian/Belorussian girls (the ones I met) generally are able to select an high value person and the other guys go straight away in the queue after me (or you). In Poland me and you always stay in the queue.

Quote:3) If in the West is so easy, why don't you come back? I skimmed through your post and it's more than one year that you complain about Poland but you're still there somehow...

I travel in West as a tourist, to enjoy good party and when I am invited by some foreign girls that I met in Poland in their country. In the future I don't exclude to come back, but there are other aspects to consider that we have discussed, refugees crisis, shitty demographics and cost of the life for example; apart from the bad situation with girls, living in Poland is fine.

Post: #3520

I am a Pole who grew up in the west, I am now in Poland for a month so I know both dynamics of western girls and polish girls and I have to say - Giacomo Casanova is correct, thats very close to the truth about Poland. In UK I know exactly what girls want from a man and whilst it may be more superficial at least I know what girls want roughly. I can't seem to crack the code even in my home country. I would say social game is the clear winner above everything - the attitude for girls meeting random foreigners isnt great, your best bet is really gaming girls from work or university here, girls would rather have a basic polish guy who hasnt been anywhere than a suave world travelling playboy coming as a tourist. I still love my home country and its girls, but a lack of connections and social circle will make you suffer. Daygame and tinder works to an extent but flakes are crazy, I even got flaking in 3rd tier cities. Like everyone says you have to do your homework and calibrate your game accordingly. Poland is a place which I could comfortably live in if I had a job/uni and social circle there - for a solo tourist it can be frustrating and it is more so than it used to be as exotic factor is something which doesnt wow girls as it used to.

Post: #3521

Giacomo is the reincarnation of Greek Kamaki. +1

Post: #3522

Dear Mikestar, I am often talking also with some Polish friends aware of game and who cold approach and they are also experiencing issues and flakes. Some of them are targeting Ukrainian girls, and at the same time when I am in Ukraine I heard many groups of guys speaking in Polish. This is in Lviv and Ukrainian towns close to the border. Definitely not a good sign if Poles have to cross the border to find girls. I can understand your opinion about UK, yes local girls and foreign girls are a step down in terms of beauty and femininity compared to Polish, but at least they don't change their mind all the two minutes, and you know what they want from a man. If you have solid game and self improve yourself, it's hard to fail. It was easier in London than in Krakow for me; one of my best experience with a girl here was actually a Polish girl working in the UK that I met when she was on holiday in Poland to visit the family.

Quote:Giacomo is the reincarnation of Greek Kamaki. +1

Greek Kamaki had surely a good experience in EE, wrote great posts and had generally a good culture, was a good contributor of the forum but his game based on gifts is unacceptable for me.

Post: #3523

In Giacomo's defense, I do agree that there's a lot of flaking in Poland.

In the West it's usually harder to get "leads" but when a girl shows interest it's more or less a matter of not fucking up.

In Poland however, it seems that girls will gladly give out their digits and chat for a while at the club but this doesn't always mean that they're genuinely interested.

All things considered though, I'd still much rather live in EE.

Post: #3524

(06-11-2017 06:46 AM)Gopnik Wrote:  In Giacomo's defense, I do agree that there's a lot of flaking in Poland.

In the West it's usually harder to get "leads" but when a girl shows interest it's more or less a matter of not fucking up.

There's so much flaking because it's so easy to get "leads". It all balances out. The game in Poland has always been to filter out the friendly girls, if you understand what I'm getting at.

The west is definitely easier for the serial ONS-er. To come to central/eastern Europe looking for a string of ONS's is like coming to Norway for sunshine, instead of going to Spain. It's just the wrong choice.

There's a ton of thin, hot, drunk hotties in UK cities like Newcastle or what have you. Anyone who thinks otherwise can spoof his location on Tinder and see for himself.

Catch them at the right hour in the pub, have some game and shag them. End of story. In these settings, they're also much more fun to interact with than Polish girls, believe it or not.

Post: #3525

Giacomo my experience with polish girls has been different and I found it much easier than the West for a variety of reasons. Sure there are some problems, mainly the invasion from tourists and erasmus students but it's still better than in most of the West where even 4/10 are entitled and with a bad personality or require a social circle to pull them (this is especially true in South Europe, the real pussy hell in Europe).

For example, I noticed some guys here suggested that Scandinavia is easier

I've been in Sweden for a weekend and it didn't feel like it's easier, actually much harder and for sure I won't be back.
The impressions I got:

- Much more expensive, impossible to bounce from one club to another if you're on a tight budget. Actually I couldn't even live there for a month.
- Most overrated girls on the planet. Swedish girls are nice when they're teenagers (I met lots of them when I was in high school and took vacations in Malta in language schools), but they lose their beauty very fast. You'll meet lots and lots of chubby girls and butterfaces. The few hot ones are absolutely impossible to get.
- You pass from dealing with some of the ugliest and poorest guys in Europe (Polish guys) to some of the most good looking guys in Europe (Swedish/Norwegian guys). And they're much richer too. Your competition is much higher.
- Sweden is a culture that is very social circle oriented, especially when it comes to the few good looking girls. As a foreigner you just can't get to know them, swedish guys will cockblock you as soon as you get near a barely decent girls.
- Being hardcore feminists their personality is not pleasing at all, unless you like to deal with tomboys.
- ONS as a foreigner are only limited to clubs' skanks. So if you're into 4s and 5s just for getting the flag....sure it's a good place, otherwise you had better stay away

If you have a budget high enough to hit Scandinavia, then just go to Moscow