Post: #3451

Biologist is right on the money (thanks for joining the discussion).

I like using non sequitur analogies, so excuse me for a moment.

Look at the fidget spinner trend. It took a couple of viral youtube videos and a month later every kid and adult child wants one. Teachers are having to deal with this chit in every class they teach, doesn't matter which country it's in.

The kids are AFC's. Teachers are the locals. It's a cool gadget at first but it gets tiresome as hell when it's a repeat occurance. The only difference is that the men are not only giving in to peer pressure of needing to be having an adequate amount of sex when compared to other men (akin to kids having the latest gadget) but that's compounded by the fulfillment of sexual urges.

Post: #3452

(05-23-2017 04:58 AM)AntiMediocrity Wrote:  Biologist is right on the money (thanks for joining the discussion).

Thanks

After all, there isn't any difference between the guys who book a cheap flight to a city for a 2 week holiday to try to get laid as much as possible or the guys who live in a city long term and learn the language etc.

We all just want to meet women and get laid as much as possible.

This influence of the RVF is very underrated. You can be sure that once a new city/country gets hyped up as a "pussy paradise" on here, there will be hundreds of thousands of guys considering travelling there, many of whom will actually go.

One way to get around this would be to create a private travel info thread or forum only accessible to members who have contributed significantly to the bank of knowledge themselves, but that's a whole different topic which does not belong in this thread.

Anyway, what is the chance of an English-speaker getting a job in Poland (not related to teaching English)?

Post: #3453

(05-23-2017 08:11 AM)Biologist Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 04:58 AM)AntiMediocrity Wrote:  Biologist is right on the money (thanks for joining the discussion).

Thanks

After all, there isn't any difference between the guys who book a cheap flight to a city for a 2 week holiday to try to get laid as much as possible or the guys who live in a city long term and learn the language etc.

We all just want to meet women and get laid as much as possible.

This influence of the RVF is very underrated. You can be sure that once a new city/country gets hyped up as a "pussy paradise" on here, there will be hundreds of thousands of guys considering travelling there, many of whom will actually go.

One way to get around this would be to create a private travel info thread or forum only accessible to members who have contributed significantly to the bank of knowledge themselves, but that's a whole different topic which does not belong in this thread.

Anyway, what is the chance of an English-speaker getting a job in Poland (not related to teaching English)?

i think you overrate this forum a little bit. East European Women are famous without that Forum here for the beauty

Post: #3454

Hi Guys,

After reading many messages here I have to give you an update about troj miasto.

First about my situation (sinc esomeone earlier mention that I probably don't bring enough value to women here). I am just going to mention few facts:
- I am below 30
- I own a flat 10 min from Sopot on top of one of one the tallest building (doest mean much in trojmiasto ^^)
- In the top 3% of Polish salaries
- 6.2 foot,1.5+shoulder to hip ratio
- I am quite regularly approached by women, I even had girls going to introduce me their friends, I had some histories of girls scratching (yes) my body... mostly below 7s though

So I must have a bit of value somehow.
But I also think I am an anomaly. People with my success are not suppose to live here. People never believe me and I constantly feel in-congruent. I feel much more at my place in high-end place in the west... and I am actually better received

Anyway I am going to say I am very annoyed with trojmiasto recently.

About the girls

The quality of girls has dropped a lot.
Gdansk has become the hipster place. And Sopot starts to be heavily affected.
Almost 1 girl out of 2 has tattoos... WTF.
Also they take less care of themselves I notice (at least for the single ones)
I rarely see stunners in the street.
Yes there are stunners in some nightclub, but guess what? in all fancy clubs around the world there are stunners!
Also be ready to game kiddos. I have no interest of talking to girls who think they are super intelligent because they have a local degree, meh.

About the nightlife
Someone has to introduce a door policy, it is unbearable.
Polish guys are useless but there are also the biggest unconscious cock blockers ever.
That's the first time I notice a club turning into a complete sausage fest by 2am because the guys scares all the girl away from the dancefloor.
AT the end you have all the girls around the dancefloor, pissed off and about to leave... while guys are spilling their drinks around.
You have to experience the 2 min rule:
You dance somewhere and you have fun, girls are attracted by you having fun (and not being a drunk idiot) and starts surrounding you,then after 2 minute the boars arrive and scare them off.
There is only 1 club worth it. The lack of door policy makes the places unpleasant.

About style
If you don't leave in Warsaw through that blazer away and wear a cap. Cap is the fashion, you wear it on the opposite side and it makes you look cool. Does not matter witch cape. Ho and wear a tank top or some jersey. Yea you are stylish.
You give a shit about a suit? that's for try hard
I have the most success here with a fucking t-shirt... yes i do enter clubs in t-shirt. Yes it is stupid.
So forget about style and polish women opinions: it is like bringing nuclear energy to ants.
People do not respect you wearing a suit, even to go to work, they just look envious at best

I wonder if it is a remnant of the communist era:
You should not look different. Everything is very codified. style today = cape, t shirt, tattoo
You don't have it then you do not fit in the cool category

About the language
Learn the basics, no point to learn polish, the language is useless and bring little ROI, learn Russian instead.
All the guys I know who speak good polish have LTR with 6s... yeaaaaaaa
The advantage of a very good polish is you can identify the low lifes by the mistakes they make in their speech.

About age.
I think the place is ideal if you are into your first job and below 25. After that it is tough. At nearly 30 I almost feel like 40. I feel so old because of being surrounded by kiddos.
Also you have NOTHING of value to you as a growing man not speaking polish, no business club, no seminars of great interest, no networking event for professionals.

Demographics
It is Poland and a second tier city.
The land of the magnificent 7s
Anything more is hard to find and will probably not speak English.
By 25 most girls are taken, it is weird if you are not in a relationship
Also the jobs are mostly outsourcing, so honestly most people are pretty dumb or low class.
Smart and successful people go abroad or to Warsaw. Same for most hot girls.
So in their mind: what a successful man is doing here?

I think Poland is best to upgrade quickly from 5 to 7 for people who do not have great experience or high value. But once you are very high value then it is like a bell curve and you feel frustrated simply because you hit a wall and realize that there are many boundaries

Post: #3455

(05-23-2017 05:22 PM)Sleek2b Wrote:  Almost 1 girl out of 2 has tattoos... WTF.
Also they take less care of themselves I notice (at least for the single ones)
I rarely see stunners in the street.

It looks like they are watching too much "Ekipa z Warszawy"

Post: #3456

I perfectly agree with all the considerations of sleek; despite a few differences between the area of Gdansk (where I noticed more DTF girls) and Krakow (hyper conservative and closed minded mentality), I saw daily the rise of this jersey-shore and chavish """style""". In Switzerland or in another decent country they would spit in the face of these people.
If you dress well and you look successful you aren't regarded positively here, wealth seems not to have any value. Probably as sleek told, it is a consequence of communism where people were afraid to show any kind of value since everybody had to stay at the same level.
At the same time, I notice that there is a limit here for your self improvement, if you did well your homework, go 3/4 times a week to the gym and have a good physique, travel around the world, earn good money, have a nice pad in the center, dress well and are foreigner...the girls will think that you "difficult to manage" and discarded. They would prefer the average Patryk who will promise eternal love and marry her in a couple of years.
Here the world goes opposite from the West. Thinking to move to serious countries (dream is Moscow but very difficult to land a job there) or at least in Warsaw which is the only decent business city where you can deal with well traveled and high class girls.

Post: #3457

Poland is good if you are under 25.

In fact all good girls are married or have Boyfriend or Kids after.

The rest is not worth it.

I find it easier to get polish girls in Germany than here.

Post: #3458

@biologist creating a private thread where only veterans would have acess to information undermines the whole point of this forum. I'm fairly certain that most of the veterans here wouldn't have ever considered travelling to eastern europe if roosh hadn't travelled there and shared his findings in the first place so why not do the same?

Post: #3459

I dont get it. Are you seriously complaining about the fact girls give a shit about your looks, cloths and wealth?
Every other person know would say: Great, so the girls look at you character and game

If you expect girls to be all over you due to your Ray Ban sunglasses and Lacoste polo shirt then yes Poland is totally the wrong address. But even in Germany people give a shit. Gold Digger Game is probably better in the US

Despite that I totally agree with the observation that polish women learned their lessons after being dumped by a foreigner and therefore tend to stick to their own people. But this is the bill for the years of british stag parties due to cheap flights form the UK

Post: #3460

And the prefference for dressing more sporty than elegant is happening in every country, even more here in Germany

Post: #3461

lol i never used to dress that well when daygaming last year and i did fine. My attire in the summer was p much a vest, shorts and flip flops, and im a short mother fucker (5'8) so id obviously prefer to wear something that elevates my height abit. But when its that hot, i cba with the extra 10%, then we have people complaining about girls not caring for suits and expensive accessories, starts to sound like an Elliot Roger rant.

I say good, less money spent on clothes, thats a good thing.

Post: #3462

Day gaming in uits? lol common, we are talking about night-out.
Personally I do mind because it might reveal something else:
If displaying value and status has no meaning, so how do women rank their sexual preferences?

Post: #3463

@naughty_boy: the stagger hordes aren't a big issue since this is historically something which never compromised the nightlife and daily life situation. British guys are generally good people and even if drunk they aren't aggressive or making girls scared. Issue came especially with recent flow of visitors from countries outside Europe mainly, they are horny and aggressive like dogs, desperate to get every girl. Nowadays in fact local girls aren't able to differenciate these elements from gentlemen and solid guys from wealthy countries...then if you are really convinced that "hey improve your game" works here, you are out of scope since it is not enough. Girls have simply no defined criteria in choosing a man, so showing value or having a good game doesn't go anywhere.

Post: #3464

(05-24-2017 08:15 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  @naughty_boy: the stagger hordes aren't a big issue since this is historically something which never compromised the nightlife and daily life situation. British guys are generally good people and even if drunk they aren't aggressive or making girls scared. Issue came especially with recent flow of visitors from countries outside Europe mainly, they are horny and aggressive like dogs, desperate to get every girl. Nowadays in fact local girls aren't able to differenciate these elements from gentlemen and solid guys from wealthy countries...then if you are really convinced that "hey improve your game" works here, you are out of scope since it is not enough. Girls have simply no defined criteria in choosing a man, so showing value or having a good game doesn't go anywhere.

It's official guys, game no longer works in Poland. Please mods, you may now close this thread.



But seriously though...

Post: #3465

(05-24-2017 08:15 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  @naughty_boy: the stagger hordes aren't a big issue since this is historically something which never compromised the nightlife and daily life situation. British guys are generally good people and even if drunk they aren't aggressive or making girls scared. Issue came especially with recent flow of visitors from countries outside Europe mainly, they are horny and aggressive like dogs, desperate to get every girl. Nowadays in fact local girls aren't able to differenciate these elements from gentlemen and solid guys from wealthy countries...then if you are really convinced that "hey improve your game" works here, you are out of scope since it is not enough. Girls have simply no defined criteria in choosing a man, so showing value or having a good game doesn't go anywhere.

Brits, Spains, Turks however - the word was spread around the world that polish girls are hot and easy to bang... this dynamic is now changing against foreigners.
Woman from all over the world have no defined criteria choosing a man. At the end it is just a numbers game

Post: #3466

I totally disagree:

-Suits are for business not for clubbing or for pick-up. If I were a girl and some suited up guy approached me I would think he's trying to sell me something.
-Wearing a suit in a popular bar or club full of young people aged between 18-24 makes you look like a clown. You won't fit in anywhere in the world.
-If girls prefer to be in a LTR by the age 25, they're making very good choices with their lives.
-All clubs that have door policies are shit. The best clubs are those where broke students go to have fun before their exams, they're sleazy, they're cheap and there's no attention whoring, only game.
-Some of you are not calibrated at all. You're on a forum created because women in the West display a behavior opposite to the one you criticize (preference towards looks, gold digging, riding the carousel etc). Also, you go to a club at 2AM in a country where people start their evening at 6PM. This is not Spain...Read the topic from the beginning, you'll find some good tips.

Post: #3467

(05-24-2017 06:42 AM)raynman Wrote:  @biologist creating a private thread where only veterans would have acess to information undermines the whole point of this forum.

Furthermore, it's ridiculous to believe you can hide info from people in the internet era. People will just flock to other forums.

And.. the idea that this thread "ruined Poland" is amusing. 80% of this thread is people whining how difficult Poland is.

If anything, this thread is keeping sex tourists away.

Post: #3468

(05-24-2017 01:10 PM)Pointer Wrote:  I totally disagree:

-Suits are for business not for clubbing or for pick-up. If I were a girl and some suited up guy approached me I would think he's trying to sell me something.
-Wearing a suit in a popular bar or club full of young people aged between 18-24 makes you look like a clown. You won't fit in anywhere in the world.
-If girls prefer to be in a LTR by the age 25, they're making very good choices with their lives.
-All clubs that have door policies are shit. The best clubs are those where broke students go to have fun before their exams, they're sleazy, they're cheap and there's no attention whoring, only game.
-Some of you are not calibrated at all. You're on a forum created because women in the West display a behavior opposite to the one you criticize (preference towards looks, gold digging, riding the carousel etc). Also, you go to a club at 2AM in a country where people start their evening at 6PM. This is not Spain...Read the topic from the beginning, you'll find some good tips.

Good stuff if you are 25, when you arrive at 30 you are usually looking for something a bit more compelling though
Myself I have no problems with the girls in student bars... I have a problem with the guys who are a pain in the ass because they are drunk at a point they scare the birds away. That the point of a door policy.

In fact in 2nd tier city, it is like you still leave in a giant campus somehow, that s what I start to realize now... and that s why I gonna dress down and have a more YOLO attitude

Post: #3469

Also I disagree about the look thing.
Girls here care as much at least as other West country
I think because it is a different culture we just have to understand what is seen as good look.
Being a tall muscular guy I can say that their is strong attraction to that.
Now about dress code: do it raw.
Have fitted casual cloathing which show your muscular built
At least guys here do not understand the "fitted" concept yet.

No need to do more, I think untuck shirt should be the max

All foreigners dress the same... so let s adapt ^^

Post: #3470

Let's try to figure out the criteria of choice of these girls; this is based mostly of my current experience, surely few years ago it was totally different.
I ask trolls and loafers to avoid commenting if they have nothing valid to add to the discussion.

Physical appearance:
I think that Sleek has right, being muscular is very important. True that few years ago I was very slim and "winning easily", but things have changed a lot. So it is mandatory to hit the gym at least 3/4 times a week, lift heavy weights and eat a lot of meat. Shoulders seem to be important as well as biceps. Don't waste too much time for abs and legs.
Height is also quite important and sometimes girls prefer very ugly guys but tall. Anyway you could overcome if you are good looking and take special care at the haircut. Beard used to be good years ago, but now I think that they prefer shaved guys, due to the migrant issues and especially since all foreigners look often the same (you can observe the Spanish guys in clubs, they are usually the copy of each other). You should differentiate yourself. Also dark hair/eyes was a strong advantage but due to the foreigners invasion maybe the blond look is preferred by them now. Don't exaggerate with piercing, tattoos; one could be good, but too many are regarded negatively due to the old style and hyper conservative mentality.

How to dress/look:
Taken into consideration that Polish girls are not able to evaluate like in West if someone is dressed well or not, let's try to understand what can be good.
In clubs is preferable going with a Polo or T-shirt. I prefer the former since at least it looks a bit stylish, I use T-shirt only when I go running or at the supermarket. You can use shirts but it doesn't give you any special advantage. Definitely suggest white shirt with long sleeves. Never with short sleeves if you want to differentiate yourself from Polish or Americans.
As for shoes, you will see a lot of girls using Converse or similar shoes. Definitely bad taste, so don't waste a lot of time and money in that. Normal black shoes can do the trick. In Ukraine without good shoes you are automatically discarded but it's not the case here. As for trousers/jeans, good to dress with slim fit models. Fragrance might be important especially during dates. Italian or French fragrance suggested.
British James Bond, Milan banker or Swiss gnome look might be useful if you find a very high class girl. Arduous to find in Poland though hence this look can be a disadvantage with the average polka and the homeless look of many tourists can even be better.


Value, Work, Money:
Here it is surely preferable that you don't display any kind of wealth. It is miserable that if you traveled a lot,you cannot mention it because it could be taken as an insult from them rather than a good aspect of your outgoing personality.
If you have a good job, for example investment banker or project manager, doesn't mean anything for the 99% of the girls. No ability in understanding differences in jobs and related money that you are making. So I suggest to say simply: "I do business". A guy with a good salary, who lives alone, independent and who travels constantly is regarded negatively since they know that he won't be easy to manipulate and probably he won't be dedicated 100% to them. Sometimes they even prefer the horny and desperate tourist to the resident since they know that when he will come back to his miserable country, he will still have a strong desire for her, while the resident is surrounded hypothetically by beautiful girls and she has competition. So better not being too much focused on these aspects, and bring into the conversation only if they are asking specifically for that.

Nationality
Polish are developing master class game and many of them did their homework. I have high respect for them since they built a country with a good quality of life starting almost from zero, and they know how to deal with the local girls.
So for foreigners will be a lot arduous, anyway people from Europe seem to be preferred. Americans and Australians are also probably regarded positively in general. Don't really know about other nationalities, maybe you could find some girl who likes K-pop and also Chinese look, but it will be something like 0.1% hence not easy.


We will talk about game in a different post.

Post: #3471

I've lived in Poland for numerous years, but left a little over a year ago. Here are some thoughts:

-I think Poland is more geared towards guys in their early to mid 20's. I'm pushing 30, so not sure I'd go back. A single guy in their 30's is pretty weird in Poland. Your potential pool is low class wies girls or crazy girls (A girl in their 30's that isn't married in Poland is weird or simply a career/western minded woman). But then again, I knew a 42 year old Aussie that was making out with younger girls on the regular.

-Girls in Poland are very submissive, so they are really looking for a dominant male. You can't show hesitation or a lack of confidence. This usually puts a dent into your chances anywhere in the world, but I noticed it had a major impact in Poland.

-Girls like in shape guys. A lot of the guys in Poland are skinny fat or just big with no muscle definition. A lot of this has to do with Polish cuisine. I was probably at my peak in Poland - 5'9, 180 lbs, ripped. 16-17" arms, 46" chest, 29" waist. I got a lot of looks on the street because I wore fitted clothing, not baggy crap. Nothing fancy, a nice fitted t-shirt, decent pants and shoes. I found having a good body in Poland lead to more opportunities than any other country, besides maybe some of the South American countries.

-Get as many contacts/leads as possible. Flaking is a real problem in Poland, girls would flake out on me constantly. I would usually go no-contact and they would eventually send me a message to meet up. By that time, I forgot all about them because I had other girls on the go. I had a lot of close calls with double bookings.

-Poland can be tough at the beginning, but once you create your competitive advantage over your competition it gets easier.

-Coming to Poland for the short-term usually leads to poor results. Pipelining before can be useful, though. This leads to a lot of guys getting frustrated.

-Living in Poland long-term is really only worth it if you are able to get a decent paying job or are a freelancer. Wouldn't throw away potential income/career interests just to get laid.

-If you're looking at LTR, be careful, a good portion of girls have some sort of religious belief. This is almost a guarantee in the countryside. Lost a girl because I didn't want to go to church with her every Sunday.

-Best girls to target are the girls from the countryside that are moving to the big city in the fall. They have less exposure to foreigners and the big city life. Get to them early before they change their habits and attitudes.

-Nightlife on weekends is hit or miss. It seems like everybody is at the bus station on Friday afternoon taking a bus back to their hometown. The guy to girl ration is not favorable and most of the guys are tanked and looking for any opportunity to fight.

-Found more success day gaming and setting up dates on weeknights. ALL of my bangs were from internet and day gaming. Probably because I quit wasting my time at night clubs very early on.

I'll add more later, but that's the most important points.

Post: #3472

Just met a guy in San Diego with "Polska" tattooed on his chest in big red letters. Chatted with him a bit about Poland and its girls and he kept going on and on about how he prefers American girls to polish girls because they have bigger asses. Lol

I guess it's all about perspective

Post: #3473

(05-26-2017 09:57 AM)raynman Wrote:  Just met a guy in San Diego with "Polska" tattooed on his chest in big red letters. Chatted with him a bit about Poland and its girls and he kept going on and on about how he prefers American girls to polish girls because they have bigger asses. Lol

I guess it's all about perspective

He is right though, while hot girls are less frequent in the west, and even then in a lot of cases are somewhat tatt'd. I can say for certain asses were much better in the UK and Spain (for what its worth to them). In Spain it seemed almost genetical, great ass but bust up face, in general, in the UK probably just cause the girls there eat more, but so long as they arent full on fatties it gives them a good bumpa.

In Poland great asses are less frequent but 6's and 7's are just more common, so at least in my opinion I just settled. You can still find great asses in Poland though, but I see where hes coming from, it's sometimes quite underwhelming. Polish girl legs tho O.O

Post: #3474

I haven't been to Poland yet, so I'm genuinely curious as to what's going on in here:

Why is there a negative attitude about Poland in this thread as of late?

I'm wondering if some of the negativity is just projection from guys who aren't crushing it.

For example, I find it hard to imagine that it's "weird" for a single guy to live in Krakow in his 30's.

Krakow is an up-and-coming European city, and a guy in his 30's should literally be in the prime of his life. Why is this weird @Burner?

Post: #3475

(05-24-2017 06:33 PM)Burner Wrote:  -Girls in Poland are very submissive, so they are really looking for a dominant male. You can't show hesitation or a lack of confidence. This usually puts a dent into your chances anywhere in the world, but I noticed it had a major impact in Poland.

Imo the most surprising thing about your post. When's the last time you've visited Poland? I'd be surprised if Polish girls are still like that. But then again, I've never been there, so you know that place better than I do.