Post: #3276

So what if they're just doing online/night game? They're still giving valuable info on using those methods in Krakow. I would bet that the majority of men wouldn't want to go to a city just to grind out some monotonous day game, when the nightlife is better and girls are easier to get with elsewhere.

As a serial night gamer who has never been to Krakow, but was planning to soon, I'm extremely disappointed by these reports of the decline of Krakow. Seemed like the perfect environment for me at one stage but looks like I missed the boat.

Are bars and clubs any good on weekdays? Maybe that might be a better option than Friday/Saturday?

Post: #3277

(03-30-2017 03:08 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  Im gonna say it, I feel like the people that complain about Krakow are just using tinder and nightgame. And if you are daygaming and not getting the results you want, you should also consider the crazy idea that you may also be at fault.

With my hopes high it's gonna be helpful to others on this forum, I'll have to repeat I -for instance- rarely do night game "per se" since I find it extremely inefficient and yielding a relatively low ROI in Krakow.. I'd rather resort to day, pre-night and online. The kind of results anybody gets are simply based on the comparison with results in similar situations in other cities or countries, that in my personal case are a whole lot and I found Krakow pretty weak overall, especially considering the kind of hype it generally gets... With the kinds of personality / attitude issues I detailed in my previous post /thread-4184-...pid1539533

And for a number of reasons most guys here elaborated on with sensible arguments I also have a more than opinionated feeling that Krakow is a city that delivers a relatively low bang for the buck. This is not to say "OMG you'll NEVER EVER get laid" and other doomsday prophecies when you have thousands of prospects studying in a number of universities. But for a serial player -or one with a large, ehm.. appetite- that might not be the best place.

And this might or might not depend on each person's skills or lack therof, but the environmental vibe cannot be underestimated.. Generally speaking an oversupply of tourists rarely brings benefits to a city both in terms of foreign value and local interest. In my experience Krakow is totally no exception, no matter the kind of approach or game you're using or how good you are: the ROI compared to other destinations, for instance minor cities, is probably going to be relatively low. As always YMMV.

Post: #3278

Even daygame in Krakow is hard, numerous girls I approached with decent indirect openers they wouldn't even respond to the first line, completely ignoring you. If I approached a girl like that in the states they will at least give you a chance. It's fucking brutal there and wears at you. This is why I want to go to other polish cities where they give you a chance -- Warsaw was way better for me- there I had girls eying me all over, and they were receptive. In Krakow I felt like they were incredibly spoiled and jaded (probably because any hot girl there has been hit a million times and is hit on by a dozen foreigners every day, most of which are there for a weekend).

That is why I want more towns not like Krakow to go to - can anyone suggest good ones? I was thinking Wroclaw but I don't know where else... I'll be back there in a month! (And was last in Poland just a few months ago).

Post: #3279

These reports motivate me to visit Krakow. Anyways, I trust more in Gopnik, Antimediocrity or NewMeta's comments.

Post: #3280

(03-30-2017 04:03 PM)Serotonin Wrote:  

(03-30-2017 03:08 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  Im gonna say it, I feel like the people that complain about Krakow are just using tinder and nightgame. And if you are daygaming and not getting the results you want, you should also consider the crazy idea that you may also be at fault.

With my hopes high it's gonna be helpful to others on this forum, I'll have to repeat I -for instance- rarely do night game "per se" since I find it extremely inefficient and yielding a relatively low ROI in Krakow.. I'd rather resort to day, pre-night and online. The kind of results anybody gets are simply based on the comparison with results in similar situations in other cities or countries, that in my personal case are a whole lot and I found Krakow pretty weak overall, especially considering the kind of hype it generally gets... With the kinds of personality / attitude issues I detailed in my previous post /thread-4184-...pid1539533

And for a number of reasons most guys here elaborated on with sensible arguments I also have a more than opinionated feeling that Krakow is a city that delivers a relatively low bang for the buck. This is not to say "OMG you'll NEVER EVER get laid" and other doomsday prophecies when you have thousands of prospects studying in a number of universities. But for a serial player -or one with a large, ehm.. appetite- that might not be the best place.

And this might or might not depend on each person's skills or lack therof, but the environmental vibe cannot be underestimated.. Generally speaking an oversupply of tourists rarely brings benefits to a city both in terms of foreign value and local interest. In my experience Krakow is totally no exception, no matter the kind of approach or game you're using or how good you are: the ROI compared to other destinations, for instance minor cities, is probably going to be relatively low. As always YMMV.

This is more or less everything that we are saying, the problem isn't getting laid or not, but instead the quantity of approaches, the flakes, the resistances, the harsh rejections, the fact that they like losing time, the idiotic common mindset that foreigners want only to get laid while Polish guys are loyal, serious, etc. You cross the Eastern Polish border and instantly you can find girls that are able to judge your real value, have a decent sense of fashion, general higher culture.
All things that make the process n Poland so painful and annoying. In other countries it is different and if you are a good player you are a lot more efficient. I saw it recently with my eyes in Northern Europe and coming back to Krakow was a slap in the face. Last year I was able to create a real connection only with a couple Westerner girls - and visited them suddenly in their country. Not happened with any Polish girl.
On this forum I read such extremely positive feedback, although if I speak in the real life with any foreigner who is not a weekend or "monthly" visitor - but rather residents - a big majority shares my view. Many of them left the country for greener places. Others have a good job, make good money, have the opportunity to travel in other EE countries easily and decided to stay for other reasons different than the girls (for example the safety that in Poland is good) instead of going back to West.

Post: #3281

Giacomo what other EE countries are better than Poland? I went a few others including Romania and Estonia and I felt Poland was better - but specifically Warsaw was better not Krakow-- even then Krakow was better than Romania and possibly Estonia.

And also why are you staying in Krakow instead of another Polish city?

Post: #3282

@TravelingParty That's a million dollar question, I am thinking about leaving Krakow but I don't know where to go...last thing I want is to choose a place even worse than this city, considering also that I am not location independent and need to find a 9-5 job.

Problem is that in 2nd-3rd cities in EE there are not many good office jobs available, most of the jobs are in cities like Warsaw,Krakow,Wroclaw,Prague,Budapest,Bratislava, and so on, and I don't Know atm if leaving Krakow for a city like Prague or Budapest could improve my situation...

Post: #3283

(03-30-2017 03:08 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  Im gonna say it, I feel like the people that complain about Krakow are just using tinder and nightgame. And if you are daygaming and not getting the results you want, you should also consider the crazy idea that you may also be at fault.

You are totally right. But I was just there for a weekend, so I wasnt really into daygame. In the centre at daytime I really didnt spot that much talent but as I said, a weekend is just a short time span.

If you are looking for some easy and quick lays of 5-6 you can go for Krakow as an english speaker if you look a bit above average. I have no clue how about the 7+ girls there

I had simply the impression that it is a wondeful and pretty city with a huge student population and a lot nightlife (clubs, bars restaurants) but the girls were totally saturdated by foreigners, even annoyed by them. I also can confirm that spanish looking guys in the streets were dating down

Post: #3284

Traveling party: I gave you a small hint, look at the eastern border the atmosphere is for sure more depressing than in krakow but in terms of girls there is no comparison, even if Ukrainian are a bit more demanding.
Naughty Boy: the city itself is wonderful. What is also good is the easiness ti find many expat friends and buddies to go out with. I can tell you that three years ago it was a kind of heaven, every single night there was some awesome party and the mentality of girls was different, less bullshit, less entitlement, you didn't need any boring date to get laid, less "fear" of the foreigner that instead was seen positively. If you listen the podcast of Roosh about Poland and Ukraine you could get the same impressions, the golden age is unfortunately over.

Post: #3285

Indian student beaten in Poznan - Police told him to come back with a translator if he wanted help - and that if the wounds healed within 7 days they would not investigate!

http://poznan.wyborcza.pl/poznan/7,36001...e-sie.html

Post: #3286

(03-30-2017 08:55 PM)GillesDeleuze Wrote:  @TravelingParty That's a million dollar question, I am thinking about leaving Krakow but I don't know where to go...last thing I want is to choose a place even worse than this city, considering also that I am not location independent and need to find a 9-5 job.

Problem is that in 2nd-3rd cities in EE there are not many good office jobs available, most of the jobs are in cities like Warsaw,Krakow,Wroclaw,Prague,Budapest,Bratislava, and so on, and I don't Know atm if leaving Krakow for a city like Prague or Budapest could improve my situation...

If you really must leave, and those are really your options, you aren't improving your situation by all that much, all those options see heavy tourism, especially Prague.

Duno seems pointless for immigrants/tourists to shit on Poland by ironically saying there are too many immigrants/tourists in Poland.

If the demand for the sexual marketplace raises in any given country, then you gotta improve, I've met a lot of people passing through Wroclaw off here and it has to be said but there is a clear reason why some do well while others go home disappointed, not naming names and not putting anyone on blast. If you want to say Krakow is a different game fair play, but Wroclaw especially in the summer sees huge (probably second to Krakow in Poland) tourism, I would say it is very similar.

I am not attacking anyone just trying to dish out abit of hard truth, I did ok in the UK, not amazingly by any margin, and I also did ok here, also not amazingly by any margin. You will likely get similar results in Poland than you did in the West with maybe a slight increase in quality (+1).

What is it you guys want anyway? Easy sex? LTR? Can't even quite pinpoint what it is, but there are certainly easier places to get laid than Poland, that has been said time and time again.

Post: #3287

@NewMeta I came here basically for easy sex with girls who are 7 and above but now I have to admit I was a fool for even thinking about it.

The hottest girls in Krakow seem to prefer Poles, because they share the same language,way of living and also are more reliable than the typical Ryanair tourist.

I have to admit by the way that my game is mediocre at best and I certainly will have to improve in that department, I suffer to physically escalate with girls and escape the usual interview chit-chat after I deliver the opener.

Also I noticed that these girls are so much passive, they seem so bored by the life they are living, they don't contribute so much to the conversation when I approach them, when I get contacts they rarely text me back.

It seems always that I have to extract words from their mouths since they contribute so little to the interaction, I would appreciate some advice if you guys have any.

Post: #3288

(03-30-2017 09:35 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  This is a credible report therefore thanks for sharing your experience. I agree with your final thoughts. Nightlife is probably the worst in all Europe. About day game, girls are friendly and are likely to give you the number, but 90-95% of them aren't going to text back. This is a common pattern observed over various months and on a large scale. You have actually more chance with western girls coming to Krakow for vacation, last summer I was particulary successful but unfortunately you have only a small number of them in Krakow going out in the night. I would suggest pub crawls, I usually noticed many American and British girls, some of them not that bad. If you speak Polish AND you are a foreigner your advantage over other foreigners will be on the girls that dont speak English; if you are Polish you will always have a big advantage over the foreigners. I repeat, it seems absurd (even to me, sometimes I cannot believe to my eyes) if you are just reading but a even a foreigner wealthy, in a good shape, well dressed and with a good game will always have to struggle compared to an average Polish guy.

Nightlife worst in all of Europe? Nah. Krakow is up there for nightlife. Haven't toured around but to say it's objectively bad is misleading.

Post: #3289

(03-31-2017 08:47 AM)GillesDeleuze Wrote:  I came here basically for easy sex with girls who are 7 and above but now I have to admit I was a fool for even thinking about it.

[...]

I have to admit by the way that my game is mediocre at best and I certainly will have to improve in that department, I suffer to physically escalate with girls and escape the usual interview chit-chat after I deliver the opener.

Also I noticed that these girls are so much passive, they seem so bored by the life they are living, they don't contribute so much to the conversation when I approach them, when I get contacts they rarely text me back.

It seems always that I have to extract words from their mouths since they contribute so little to the interaction, I would appreciate some advice if you guys have any.

From the original post I commented on, you now seem to be adding a lot of information about specific flaws in your approaches. Hardly anywhere girls are gonna make your job easy or so much easier when cold approached, so that's definitely not a part where I can show a whole lot of sympathy here even if I repeat I find the ROI in general pretty mediocre due to various environmental factors I already delved into.

My point being you'll probably get laid, but you'll probably kinda complain about the quality, you'll probably find more wackos than you'd like to on your way no matter your kind of approach, but if you have some decent skills you WILL get your Polish flag(s) with a side of other nationalities (students from other countries) like I did several times. All in all it's not that spectacular.

If your goal is raking in a lot of notches, based simply on social elements and taking for granted your game is from decent+ since I consider making assumptions about others the same as an "ad hominem" in a discussion, chances are Hungary and Czech Republic will serve you better: the religious element is not as prominent on average, the hookup culture less frowned upon and these are all relevant points.

The major cities are probably gonna be overrun by tourists in a similar way and just be aware that especially in Hungary during both day and night you might get way harsher rejections (some you'll remember for a long time) than you would in Poland, so you might want to harden this aspect about yourself. That, I'm afraid, has hardly anything to do with the country you're in. Good luck!

Post: #3290

Thank you for suggestions guys, I am facing a dilemma: staying other ~ 6 months in Krakow to further improve my game,even if this city is turning into a nightmare for me, or moving nearly immediately either to Czech Republic or Hungary...but I wouldn't want to live in another nightmare even worse than this one.

The pros I am reading about these other two countries are that girls should be a Little bit sluttier than the Polish ones and the random hookup culture is more spreaded than Poland.

On the other hand the major cities of CZ and HU are overrun by tourists and staggers and this could be a serious problem like it is in Krakow...I don't really know what to do, this weekend will be dedicated to make a final decision maybe...

Post: #3291

One thing I don't understand is why is it so hard for you to differentiate yourself from all the tourists and stag losers ?
It can't be that hard to put on some nice clothes and to spend one weekend learning basic Polish in order to start a conversation. Next time you approach do it in Polish and after 2-3 min of conversation switch to English, you'll see much better results.
Was Krakow better 3-4 years ago ? Definitely yes.
Is Krakow terrible today ? Definitely not.
Is Krakow worse than second tier cities in Western Europe ? Hell no.

Post: #3292

(03-31-2017 05:28 PM)Pointer Wrote:  Is Krakow worse than second tier cities in Western Europe ? Hell no.

Are you sure?...I have never been to Krakow but by all accounts it seems really worse than many second tier WE (possibly not including UK or Germany, perhaps Italy).

Post: #3293

(03-31-2017 05:28 PM)Pointer Wrote:  One thing I don't understand is why is it so hard for you to differentiate yourself from all the tourists and stag losers ?
It can't be that hard to put on some nice clothes and to spend one weekend learning basic Polish in order to start a conversation. Next time you approach do it in Polish and after 2-3 min of conversation switch to English, you'll see much better results.
Was Krakow better 3-4 years ago ? Definitely yes.
Is Krakow terrible today ? Definitely not.
Is Krakow worse than second tier cities in Western Europe ? Hell no.

But in your opinion are we dumb and didn't we do our homework...?

About clothes: here it is not Ukraine or Switzerland and even if you have clothes on your body for a total of >1000/1500 dollars, girls won't be able to "identify" correctly that you are well dressed. This is the country where it is common to go out and finding girls with long skirts and converse in the clubs and Zara is usually regarded as "high quality" brand...maybe only in Warsaw girls have a decent sense of fashion. Last time I have received a good comment on my shoes was from a British girl, about my fragrance she was Belorussian...

Polish language: I have already underlined that even if you are pretty fluent in Polish it doesn't make any difference for a big majority of girls, you are always a foreigner. I approach girls in Polish and keep about 80% of the conversation in Polish. It might be useful if you go to a smaller city with girls not speaking English, lately I was quite successful with this kind of girls, but I had to move my balls from Krakow...

As for WE, without even talking of second tier cities, I ran night game in the past in cities like Paris, London, Madrid, Milan, Zurich and true is that there are tons of rich guys and entitled girls...but hey, these cities aren't massively destroyed by thousands of sex tourists every weekend who are approaching every girl that is breathing and ready to date 2/3 points down...Teatro Cubano is the top: I have never seen so much thirstiness in a single club, among all countries I have visited so far.

Post: #3294

^ That's just not true Giacomo, as soon as you mention that you live here the dynamic changes. Not just with girls, but with people in general. Nobody is doubting your observations that Krakow might have declined since 2010 or whenever, but people are just questioning your overly pessimistic attitude about the city and it's women. As CC said earlier, your experiences aren't universal.

Post: #3295

(04-02-2017 05:27 AM)Teedub Wrote:  ^ That's just not true Giacomo, as soon as you mention that you live here the dynamic changes. Not just with girls, but with people in general. Nobody is doubting your observations that Krakow might have declined since 2010 or whenever, but people are just questioning your overly pessimistic attitude about the city and it's women. As CC said earlier, your experiences aren't universal.

I see that it might appear a bit over pessimistic, but mine are observations not directly related to my strictly personal experience but mostly a representation of an objective reality for the average foreigner coming to Krakow.
I can tell you that when I am on the "holy field" I don't think too much about the general Krakow assumptions but always try to overcome the various obstacles with the experience ending up by achieving results in night game (I have never been a lot into day game and online) better than the 90/95% of the other foreigners.
So always open to meet some buddies for night game as already done with some of you.

Post: #3296

After Mszę Święta with my girlfriend we exited and 5 minutes later I had an overwhelming feeling of wanting to GTFO out of the city.

If it's not clear we were close to the Rynek, and everywhere I looked there were swarms of people. And English speaking coming from multiple directions. She wanted to go get Pizza in the direction of the Rynek, I took one look down the street and in my own words said No Fucking Way.

I heard more English from third parties in that evening than I heard in 2016. Not happy about it. We were walking along the Rynek at night a week ago, and I heard so many heavy Northern, Southern, scouse etc accents. And I could tell they were English before I even heard them speaking. Dress sense and weight easily betrayed their nationality from a mile off.

I have to go the UK next week just for my sisters wedding, to top it off.

Post: #3297

For those who do daygame in Krakow: do you go direct or indirect? How long a good daygame interaction with a polish girl should last,according your experience, in order to get a solid number?

Post: #3298

(04-03-2017 08:50 PM)GillesDeleuze Wrote:  For those who do daygame in Krakow: do you go direct or indirect? How long a good daygame interaction with a polish girl should last,according your experience, in order to get a solid number?

I don't daygame, but I can't imagine girls being very receptive to direct game. They will smell your "horny tourist" vibes from a mile off.

I believe that insta-dates work quite well here, based on what I've read. Apart from that I don't think there is such a thing as a timeframe in game - just the right moment. What, are you going to run a stopwatch and ask once it hits 5 minutes?

If you make a girl laugh and give you IOI's in a minute, will you let the interaction cool down before you ask because it's "too early"?

Post: #3299

I have read quite a few messages on this thread and I start to be quite pissed off by the general attitude, so, to all of you coming to Poland, let me tell you something:

If you think that you can come here, get laid with some hot babe just because of your "exotic" factor, then you are welcome to stay home.

Seriously what do some of you expect? You bring nothing of value to any women. You don't even work on yourselves and just come here expecting to get laid because you are a foreigner.

The truth about Poland is like anywhere else, you want to get a 9? well... be a 9! Work out, be interesting, build a social circle, be the best at something instead of spam approaching girls in the hope of a ONS.

You give a bad press to some people of this thread, who live here and do work their ass off on their life-style.

If you suck back home, you will suck here. Period.

Post: #3300

(04-04-2017 04:15 AM)Sleek2b Wrote:  I have read quite a few messages on this thread and I start to be quite pissed off by the general attitude, so, to all of you coming to Poland, let me tell you something:

If you think that you can come here, get laid with some hot babe just because of your "exotic" factor, then you are welcome to stay home.

Seriously what do some of you expect? You bring nothing of value to any women. You don't even work on yourselves and just come here expecting to get laid because you are a foreigner.

The truth about Poland is like anywhere else, you want to get a 9? well... be a 9! Work out, be interesting, build a social circle, be the best at something instead of spam approaching girls in the hope of a ONS.

You give a bad press to some people of this thread, who live here and do work their ass off on their life-style.

If you suck back home, you will suck here. Period.

I agree generally with your post.
I would add some bullet points to keep in mind, which might help who really wants to consider the country for a short or long term living (we are not talking about the tourists of Fri-Sun):
- fluent English at least, seems to be banal but there are plenty of Spanish, French and Italians coming to Poland with a terrible English. Better if you talk also conversational Polish
- solid local connections and network, ideally decent work or business locally to be regarded as an "insider"
- going to the gym and lift weights; please bear in mind that if you are too slim, you will experience bad time here
- nice pad in the city center, alone. A girl would rarely accept to come with you if you share the flat with other people or live too far, especially for night game, but in case of dates too. This is connected with your income/wealth, you need to make decent money to have a Western lifestyle above the local average, or you will struggle. The 800/1000$ per month are no longer sufficient in Poland if you live a big city, for going out often for party, eat healthy (fruits, meat, etc), make some fancy activity, buy decent clothes, going out of the city for the weekend from time to time, etc.
- dress appropriately, avoiding the two extreme "homeless look of backpacking tourist" and "hyper classy Canary Wharf banker"
- being ready for a very high number of flakes (more than in West), resistances, histrionic behaviors. It can be very frustrating but you need to be patient