Post: #3226

I know you meant it as a negative but my conversion rate of Tinder match to date in Australia is 0% and I have over 500 matches (That's being selective). Looks like I should move to Poland if I can increase that by 10% lol.

Post: #3227

(11-17-2016 12:46 AM)AntiMediocrity Wrote:  

(11-16-2016 07:44 AM)BishesMyron Wrote:  Curious to hear what are your experience with Tinder in Poland? I get a lot of attractive matches but my conversion rate is pretty low (say 10% match to date).
While I don't get as many matches in Western Europe, my conversion is rate is much higher. Are they more into validation seeking here or I'm just "gaming" them wrong?

You shouldn't even be using game on Tinder here.

Poland is currently on stage 2 of Tinder, with a few indications of stage 3. I made this up myself, in case you want a source:

Quote:Stage 1 - All hotties, want hook ups/dates. Have to have looks/status to get somewhere. No super ugly and creepy guys so girls don't have a bitch shield.

Stage 2 - Some ugly girls here and there, but still mostly hotties and a lot of cute, normal chicks. Can speak normally and get meetings quite easily. Males are starting to catch on, but it's not so bad that girls are spammed with "want sum fuk" by 35 year old divorcees.

Stage 3 - Ugly/damaged girls increase in prevalence, need to have decent game and look better than potential matches due to entitlement and user saturation. Attention whoring and social media links starting to crop up, girls beginning to ask for height or putting height preferences in bio.

Stage 4 - Dead zone. 90% of girls are ugly/damaged, will still only meet if you're within the pareto principle for them. Matches are a source of validation, not an opportunity to reach out.

To add to that, the male demographic on Tinder in Poland is mostly Polaks playing natural asshole game, or straight up asking for sex. Probably because they read articles from Western countries saying that brings the highest amount of success. However this works with western countries because the majority of single men are simps, and men who are not have an edge to them.

Meanwhile in Poland the majority of guys are not simps, meaning the female populace draws zero appeal from asshole game and by having these guys saturate Tinder with said game, you can capitalise on your good nature by playing the contrary gentleman. By "gaming" them you're not being an outlier.

All of my meetings have been a result of platonic IM exchanges with some light humour thrown in. I've had non-responses too of course and a few went dark before I had time to suggest meeting, but that's expected. I haven't sent a message to about 80 of my matches, if all 80 of those matches messaged me I wouldn't want to respond or meet all of them and girls on Tinder match with practically all of their swipes and all matches undoubtedly send them a message, so of course she's not going to meet or respond to everyone.

Besides, do you really want to date a Polish girl who you have to jump through hoops to meet? Surely a more suited to our tastes girl would meet purely because you have a positive exchange.

I actually prefer meeting a girl who's hard to get attention of. I despise these erasmus groupies. I'm someone who judges a girl based on guys she slept with, not number of guys.

My own experience with Tinder in Poland has been very shaky.
When I lived in Poland 2 years ago, 2 months of Tinder in Krakow - many matches, only 3 dates and 2 lays. Then I moved to Warsaw and Tinder was my bread and butter - 3 lay in first 2 weeks of just arriving, rest I stopped counting.
I reckon what might have changed things a lot, I had made it clear on my profile that I was going to stay in Warsaw for a while as student.

Right now I'm in Poznan and it brings back Krakow memories. Inspite of creating interesting convos the girls are just leaving me hanging for what I would consider a guaranteed bang in Germany.
Matches in 3 days - 80+ (all 7/10+)
Phone/FB contacts acquired - 5
Meetups planned - 4
all of them flaked in sense of not responding and I'm left with only who fortunately is very much up for it.
I might be flirting too heavily but I do invest time in talking and building some comfort. I must add 90% of my matches are 18-21 and I can't imagine capturing their attention with interview-like gentleman talk.

Post: #3228

Is Warsaw the same as Krakow or more difficult? I'd like to go there but I'm afraid the girls will be less slutty, more into money and on average more expensive. Do you have any experience?

Post: #3229

(11-25-2016 01:29 PM)UkraineHunter Wrote:  Is Warsaw the same as Krakow or more difficult? I'd like to go there but I'm afraid the girls will be less slutty, more into money and on average more expensive. Do you have any experience?

Probably easier if you are looking for easy lays, this is rule of thumb with any country, the bigger the city the bigger the stage of degeneracy. Warsaw is over 1 million in population so daygame is neverending there, you can find foot traffic almost anywhere near the public transportation systems, malls, coffee shops, rynek, tourist spots etc...

Post: #3230

(11-25-2016 01:29 PM)UkraineHunter Wrote:  Is Warsaw the same as Krakow or more difficult? I'd like to go there but I'm afraid the girls will be less slutty, more into money and on average more expensive. Do you have any experience?

Personally found Warsaw a bit easier, online/tinder game is much much better than in Krakow if you're into that. Although its the capital its much less touristy in my opinion. I didn't think the girls there were more into money any more than in other cities either, generally Polish girls don't care about it.
I've never had any girl expect me to buy her shit or not offer to pay for herself.

Post: #3231

(11-25-2016 01:29 PM)UkraineHunter Wrote:  Is Warsaw the same as Krakow or more difficult? I'd like to go there but I'm afraid the girls will be less slutty, more into money and on average more expensive. Do you have any experience?

My experience with Warsaw girls here in Sopot (so they're on vacation, take it with a grain of salt) is on average, they're sluttier (and don't care about money, like most Polish girls) - with the big caveat that your sexual market value (Game, looks, status, etc) has to be higher.

Post: #3232

Generally I found Warszawianka more open-minded, with various interests, well-traveled than the general Krakowian or village dziewczyna. If you have a good game, this is imho one of the best city in Poland, since you don't have to deal with the touristic plague or students stacked in their social circle like in Krakow. For a girl being more into money is actually an advantage as a foreigner (as long as you don't dress like the typical American on vacation in Poland, that is not your case )
Will be in a couple of weeks in Warsaw if you wanna catch up again

Post: #3233

I'm starting to think I've been erroneous regarding my observation that there are less tourists in Krakow during Winter. I mean it's Late Nov and when I go to the Rynek- English speakers. Last night I was in Kazimierz- English/some latino language/some Scandinavian speakers.

In Alchemia, at one point it was like the whole room was English speaking. Not really the case, but they had a large presence in the room due to their constant shouting, breaking of glasses and their thick Scouse/Mancunian accents. At least three large groups of 4+. My date had her opinion of Brits changed this night. "Why do they act like this", "why are they even here?"

Cheap beer. Bucket list location. "Poor" Poles needing their economy boosted. We can act how we want because in the end we are from England, king of Europe and everyone wants to live in our country.

So fucking disrespectful, and everyone wonders why I disassociate myself from my native people.

Post: #3234

Yesterday: was disaster. The celebration of Andrzejki. For those who don't know, this is generally in the Polish tradition the last big party before the Advent Sundays - after Andrzejki, people generally avoid drinking and going out for party. It is not literally observed but it used generally to be an amazing night where klubs are packed, people are drunk and generally there is a huge change to get laid or at least make out, etc.
We went to three different klubs and they were all packed of guys, and many of the few girls were already in their social circle. I observed in some of them, 4 guys every 1 girl. That percentage reminded me of the nights I spent at fabric in London or some techno event, where at least I was mainly for the music. Obviously it was almost impossible to be active in such an environment, girls had a ridiculous attitude. And who is talking, never failed in Andrzejki in the last years.
For the tourists, yesterday I saw a group of >100 people tourists all together (mainly from England and America) going out from a club, lead by a guy with a black flag. Without considering the hordes of small groups in every club...
British are not really an issue, many of them are also friendly and come to Krakow mainly for drinking. I don't see them occupying the klubs in hordes and spam approaching every single girl, unlike the Yanks and the Spanish.
Had the impression already before summer that Krakow was finished, but since I was achieving results despite everything, I tried to think positively and avoid thinking about the change of the environment around me. Now I can see the total degeneration, and Krakow has completed in a few years, and very quickly, its path from heaven to hell.
To be analytical, for me some aspects were decisive for the change: the renovation of the airport, where flights from abroad increased by 100%, the rise of Tinder and social networks that boost the ego of girls, the new government which made changing the mentality of many Polish about foreigners (without distinguishing between third world countries foreigners and from West).

Houston, we have a problem. But I am thinking about the solution. In my case the short term one is leaving the city every weekend and going to smaller cities where still being a high value foreigner is regarded positively in some way. The more a shithole this city is, the better.

Post: #3235

^^^^^That explains my shit experience. Oh well, we still ended up making out (third meeting, was originally supposed to be language exchange).

Quote:the rise of Tinder

That reminds me, been seeing a lot of English girls on Tinder. Bleuch. They're all cocktail whores, not sure what kind of guys they expect to find on Tinder. Something tells me Polaks have better options. The saddest thing I've seen on there, was a 30 year old obese girl with a bob cut who actually lives here. I would feel sorry for her, yet it should be blatantly obvious what kind of competition she has and why no guys are biting. She needs to go back to the UK and find some thirsty simp.

Post: #3236

Noticed a high population of Ukrainian girls in Poland, which suits me greatly

Post: #3237

@Giacomo, While I don't think Kraków is as good as Wroclaw for example, I don't see why you would bother going to smaller cities every weekend, and give up on the city entirely. Not to mention that you would miss out on making local friends and run a bit of social circle game. Even if your game is highly based on being an "exotic" foreigner, you can find plenty of venues that are almost 100% polish. Yesterday for example I was in Pauza and klub odeon and my friends and I were the only non-poles. Club U louisa in rynek is also almost exclusively polish. This being said, I do find that girls who go to Cubano and all the other venues where foreigners are common, are usually more interested in finding a foreign guy anyways.

(11-27-2016 07:10 AM)tobehero Wrote:  Noticed a high population of Ukrainian girls in Poland, which suits me greatly

Absolutely. I hear russian literally every day and I also find ukrainian girls tend to go out in pairs and they're usually quite friendly.

Overall, I don't really get all the hate for krakow. While it's probably not the best city in Poland, there's at least plenty of options and girls generally have very little attitude.

Post: #3238

I agree with you Gopnik. I think where Krakow gets alot of heat is people thinking polish ladies will be throwing themselves at you.

When they get there, they realize you have to put yourself out there and actually do some gaming.

Post: #3239

(11-27-2016 07:26 AM)Gopnik Wrote:  @Giacomo, While I don't think Kraków is as good as Wroclaw for example, I don't see why you would bother going to smaller cities every weekend, and give up on the city entirely. Not to mention that you would miss out on making local friends and run a bit of social circle game. Even if your game is highly based on being an "exotic" foreigner, you can find plenty of venues that are almost 100% polish. Yesterday for example I was in Pauza and klub odeon and my friends and I were the only non-poles. Club U louisa in rynek is also almost exclusively polish. This being said, I do find that girls who go to Cubano and all the other venues where foreigners are common, are usually more interested in finding a foreign guy anyways.

U Louisa generally is out of our radars since the average is > 27 years old. Pauza yes is not bad (did they reopen it recently? It was closed a few weeks ago) - but better for dates I guess.
Teatro was glorious last year from November to February, just after the inauguration there were plenty of nice girls and not many foreigners, but words run fast and nowadays it is full of dudes especially after 1am. But ladies seem to appreciate the Spanish culture in this club, that's true - I am not Spanish though.
I don't think it is about venues. Two years ago you could go everywhere even in Frantic and posh clubs, and almost always having fun and find some interesting girl.

Post: #3240

Anyone in Wroclaw at the moment? I'm here till Christmas and would appreciate some good male company if anyone is around.

Post: #3241

(12-05-2016 08:29 PM)_Samo_ Wrote:  Anyone in Wroclaw at the moment? I'm here till Christmas and would appreciate some good male company if anyone is around.

I live here but leaving to go home for Christmas thursday morning, I will not have time tomorrow as I have about a thousand things to do. Fortunate timing I'm usually happy to meet anyone passing through here. JB also lives here if you want to throw him a PM.

Post: #3242

Can confirm what Gopnik said. Lived a few years in Krakow. Beautiful girls and a crazy high number of students. They are just used to foreigners. But the nightlife is fun and I think if you are interesting and take care of yourself being a foreigner is still an advantage. I dated a lot and got some new notches, better quality than anywhere else I have lived, even had a pretty girlfriend there for a while too, until I found out she was a foreigner hopper. Not bringing that bag of suicide back to the US...

It might be the most international city in Poland but it is still Poland.

Post: #3243

(12-07-2016 12:18 PM)Buddydowrongright2 Wrote:  Can confirm what Gopnik said. Lived a few years in Krakow. Beautiful girls and a crazy high number of students. They are just used to foreigners. But the nightlife is fun and I think if you are interesting and take care of yourself being a foreigner is still an advantage. I dated a lot and got some new notches, better quality than anywhere else I have lived, even had a pretty girlfriend there for a while too, until I found out she was a foreigner hopper. Not bringing that bag of suicide back to the US...

It might be the most international city in Poland but it is still Poland.

It depends when you lived in Krakow. In 2013 the city was like a paradise, but then there were two major events in the last two years determinant for the degradation of the city faster than others in EE, the fact that the airport was renovated and number of flights increased x2 and the WorldYouthDay that made Krakow popular worldwide.
Krakow is now the opposite of what it used to be a few years ago. I can say that since last year, I can consider this field to be more difficult than in London, and "game" is not relevant in this city, since there are too many douchebags and desperate foreigners who are roaring the streets and girls are not able to differentiate between them and good players/men unlike happens in West.
This is a post where I made a summary of the decline.

Quote:Three-four years ago it was like being in heaven in Krakow, you entered in the clubs with ratio of 60-70% girls and being constantly eye-fucked. Tons of students and crazy parties. Probably the best time of my life.
I remember stepping the first time in a klub and making out only after two minutes of clock. Despite getting laid was not properly easy, you had very nice attitude and interactions. Was even difficult to manage the schedule of the dates, and flakes were below 20% - that means that actually over 80% of girls replied to your first message. Easiness was unbelievable.
Noticed difficulty increasing widely in spring 2015, but still had good time for a while - though I was observing the change around me and the first friends of mine were leaving the city due to the increase of foreigners and difficulty. I tried to be positive, but I consider the dramatic situation to become real in September this year. I was expecting tons of students to come back for the uni, but instead I found constantly only foreigners, and even in December Flakes are skyrocketing to 90% of the contacts, even running a very solid game. Night/Day/etc. game is the same story.
Nowadays I wouldn't suggest to anyone to come to Krakow for partying or hunting...it is finished here, even if you are a good player.
Needed to share my view and almost crying thinking about what this city has become
Anyway hopefully you will enjoy your time in Warsaw!

Anyway, for everyone who thinks Krakow is easy, I challenge them to come here and why not being my wing, you can send me PM. I met several forum posters and recently destiny who also wrote several reports in the newbie section, after the nights when we joined forces, as well as I can see what kind of girls foreigners are getting...and these ladies are very often at the bottom in term of beauty.

Even day game is very hard here, since if you are good you can collect plenty of numbers, but 90% of them don't reply to the sms/contact in spite of a good game.

Fortunately next two weekends I will get the fuck out of the city and heading to other student cities less contaminated by this horrible situation.

Post: #3244

(12-07-2016 02:13 PM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 12:18 PM)Buddydowrongright2 Wrote:  Can confirm what Gopnik said. Lived a few years in Krakow. Beautiful girls and a crazy high number of students. They are just used to foreigners. But the nightlife is fun and I think if you are interesting and take care of yourself being a foreigner is still an advantage. I dated a lot and got some new notches, better quality than anywhere else I have lived, even had a pretty girlfriend there for a while too, until I found out she was a foreigner hopper. Not bringing that bag of suicide back to the US...

It might be the most international city in Poland but it is still Poland.

It depends when you lived in Krakow. In 2013 the city was like a paradise, but then there were two major events in the last two years determinant for the degradation of the city faster than others in EE, the fact that the airport was renovated and number of flights increased x2 and the WorldYouthDay that made Krakow popular worldwide.
Krakow is now the opposite of what it used to be a few years ago. I can say that since last year, I can consider this field to be more difficult than in London, and "game" is not relevant in this city, since there are too many douchebags and desperate foreigners who are roaring the streets and girls are not able to differentiate between them and good players/men unlike happens in West.
This is a post where I made a summary of the decline.

Quote:Three-four years ago it was like being in heaven in Krakow, you entered in the clubs with ratio of 60-70% girls and being constantly eye-fucked. Tons of students and crazy parties. Probably the best time of my life.
I remember stepping the first time in a klub and making out only after two minutes of clock. Despite getting laid was not properly easy, you had very nice attitude and interactions. Was even difficult to manage the schedule of the dates, and flakes were below 20% - that means that actually over 80% of girls replied to your first message. Easiness was unbelievable.
Noticed difficulty increasing widely in spring 2015, but still had good time for a while - though I was observing the change around me and the first friends of mine were leaving the city due to the increase of foreigners and difficulty. I tried to be positive, but I consider the dramatic situation to become real in September this year. I was expecting tons of students to come back for the uni, but instead I found constantly only foreigners, and even in December Flakes are skyrocketing to 90% of the contacts, even running a very solid game. Night/Day/etc. game is the same story.
Nowadays I wouldn't suggest to anyone to come to Krakow for partying or hunting...it is finished here, even if you are a good player.
Needed to share my view and almost crying thinking about what this city has become
Anyway hopefully you will enjoy your time in Warsaw!

Anyway, for everyone who thinks Krakow is easy, I challenge them to come here and why not being my wing, you can send me PM. I met several forum posters and recently destiny who also wrote several reports in the newbie section, after the nights when we joined forces, as well as I can see what kind of girls foreigners are getting...and these ladies are very often at the bottom in term of beauty.

Even day game is very hard here, since if you are good you can collect plenty of numbers, but 90% of them don't reply to the sms/contact in spite of a good game.

Fortunately next two weekends I will get the fuck out of the city and heading to other student cities less contaminated by this horrible situation.

Almost sounds depressing but I've made my choice a month ago and I will be here from tomorrow until Sunday morning. If you have any closeby student cities that I should skip Krakow for in the case of a weekend I would love to hear it.

Post: #3245

I finally checked out Destiny's thread:

(11-29-2016 08:12 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  P/S: can you try going out solo? It becomes very apparent quickly that your wings are worthless and are even cockblocking you.

At least Destiny wants to improve.

Post: #3246

@262 That's why I state from the get go that if I'm meeting with someone from the forums I'm not going to be their wingman.

I know I'm a bad wing, matter of fact is I came here to build a life, be a good person and be rewarded for it in a place that appreciates someone with my approach.

I didn't come here to get easier women, hone my approach skills etc and to enable other guys to do just that by meeting purely for day game. There's more to this forum and it's users than trying to get your penis wet in a random.

Post: #3247

(12-06-2016 11:41 AM)NewMeta Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 08:29 PM)_Samo_ Wrote:  Anyone in Wroclaw at the moment? I'm here till Christmas and would appreciate some good male company if anyone is around.

I live here but leaving to go home for Christmas thursday morning, I will not have time tomorrow as I have about a thousand things to do. Fortunate timing I'm usually happy to meet anyone passing through here. JB also lives here if you want to throw him a PM.

No worries, maybe I'll catch you next time.

Post: #3248

Giacomo I won't dispute it... I moved there in 2013 and left beginning of this year. The last year I was there I was in a relationship with the girl I'm with now so I didn't game. 2014 was fun though.

Post: #3249

(12-08-2016 10:47 AM)AntiMediocrity Wrote:  @262 That's why I state from the get go that if I'm meeting with someone from the forums I'm not going to be their wingman.

I know I'm a bad wing, matter of fact is I came here to build a life, be a good person and be rewarded for it in a place that appreciates someone with my approach.

I didn't come here to get easier women, hone my approach skills etc and to enable other guys to do just that by meeting purely for day game. There's more to this forum and it's users than trying to get your penis wet in a random.

The good bit here is the honesty.

Too many guys on the forum would rather impress a faceless Internet than admit any fault and seek help, despite their posts reeking of negativity.

Also agree there's more to life than getting your dick wet. I've posted it somewhere before, but a well-known Game guru once said that it's usually a chip on the shoulder that drives someone to become a Game guru. Catch is, becoming a Game guru doesn't automatically lessen the chip.

On a related note, another Game guru once said: "The girl is your mirror." So if your negative mindset leads to negative posts, girls are going to sense that negative mindset, and most, save for the broken ones that indulge that negative mindset, are going to be turned off by it.

Finally, remember that even if you get into a relationship, you are not immune from the sexual market. Your Game must at least remain competitive. Would you stay with your 9 if every other girl turned into a 10?

Edit: @AntiMediocrity, you should put something like the below in your forum signature:

(12-08-2016 10:47 AM)AntiMediocrity Wrote:  if I'm meeting with someone from the forums I'm not going to be their wingman

Post: #3250

So i'm moving to Poland in a few weeks, decided that Asia was not for me after all and i want to live somewhere that is closer to my family. Poland fits most of my requirements in what i'm looking for in the long term.

I will be travelling to most of the big cities to see where i like it the most (Warsaw, Wroclaw, Krakow, Gdansk, Lodz, Lublin, Poznan). Planning to spend a week in each of those cities. I already visited Krakow 6 years ago so i'm undecided on that one.

I will keep a travel log here.

If anyone wants to hang out and get a drink, that would be great !