Post: #3201

Polish girls in general adore nice guys, but by nice guys it's literal. You still need to have a backbone, be decisive, be moderately emotive and most importantly be able to keep your girlfriend in line should she start going down any dark path.

Polish culture is 100% about men protecting their women. And not because the women are weak and need protecting, I mean you will find old war pictures of women with weapons because unlike English and American women who worked in the factories they actually had to proactively protect the land. Polish women can be tough as nails, but it's understood that men are tougher still and are supposed to be guardians.

Not this beta hipster twink shit. You'll only find students with that type because they worship fashion trends (taken from the west of course, champions of emasculation).

To add, quite often you will see guys running around with flowers or a single rose. And they're not betas trying to get a pity blowjob, because if you happen to spot such a guy after he's met his girl, she's looking at him with complete doe eyes. Girls go nuts for flowers here and there are Kwiaty (flower shops) everywhere.

I'm still tindering here and I'm genuinely concerned that girls will start developing feelings for me as I continue having a platonic and non aggressive approach.

I've told non Tinder girls that I'm being fully platonic in the hopes that I won't lead them [the Tinder girls] on, and they insisted that as long as I'm a decent guy they will not see me in a platonic light. I look and act like "boyfriend material" AFATC, and when I tell them that in England if you're pleasant you are immediately pigeonholed into friend material they're in complete disbelief.

Post: #3202

re nice guys just from my own experience ive never had to be a complete snark like i did with girls from the UK. You can be pleasent but stern, so i agree with AM above, just make sure to put your foot down if they make a bad choice or do something you dont agree with and hold frame. I havent seen asshole game be that effective here, only on huge trashy sluts, you can get away with just being a nice but strong masculine dude here just fine.

Post: #3203

Agree with the tricity being tough but also the quality up there is undoubtedly better. Even my local boys here think girls up there are the hottest and hardest to pull.

Post: #3204

(11-05-2016 03:11 PM)UkraineHunter Wrote:  I want to thank everybody for the inputs provided in this thread and since there are people with vast experience with polish girls I want to ask a question.

Do polish girls like "nice guy game"? I ask it because I'm seeing a polish girl (and also hanging out with her friends) here in Italy and it seems to me that they really don't like a cocky, super confident guy that tease them a lot. And god forbid talking about money, even subtly joking about it...they really don't like it and the girl I'm seeing called me a "spoiled asshole" and she was dead serious about it. She turned incredibly cold toward me.
I usually play the asshole card because italian girls love it but I found out that polish girls appreciate me better if I tone my humour way down and I act considerate and nice toward her/them. Things that basically would get me rejected in a hearbeat by italian girls.

So, are they exceptions or do polish girls like "nice guys"? maybe nice isn't the right word but I hope you get what I mean

It's right and unfortunately being good looking, dressing well and displaying status/cash don't give generally any added value. You can even being considered 'risky', as many of them prefer a guy whom they can "control" and will generally behave like a beta and say yes for everything she is asking, when together. A guy who is not manipulable by them is difficult to manage in a relationship.
The kind of game we are used to, allows you to be successful in West, that's why personally I consider a lot easier the field in West than in Poland - although the quality unfortunately is lower.

Post: #3205

In Gdansk the nightlife was borderline non existent last summer and the talent nothing special. Its also full of tourists especially Sopot and not groups of hot girls but rather families with their grandma, baby, dog and cat. It wouldn't be my first choice. Not to mention that the weather was shit in July.

The cocky, arrogant attitude doesn't work well in Poland. Negging will backfire in most cases and yes, Polish women love flowers. I bet most guys from this forum who go to Poland don't care to change their attitude and then complain that Krakow is hard. Also I recommend going out solo and switching venues instead of focusing all your energy in one place.

After my regular fb went cold in July I spend the whole month of August reviewing game materials. I decided to go out solo just like I used to do many years ago. My success rate has improved exponentially, not only do I approach a lot more but I'm much more efficient. One important thing is to be patient. A lot of the girls I meet are super busy either with their studies or their work not to mention weekend visits to their home towns, friends weddings, personal drama etc. It took me 2 full months to go from being a hermit to building a steady flow of girls.

I never go for a snl during the first approach. I may or may not kiss and if I do I always make it brief. The same with dancing and groping on the dance floor. It's better to make a lasting impression, set up a coffee date for the next day and/or take the number and eject. DON'T BE AGGRESSIVE! It makes the girl feel guilty the next day and she won't return your texts although the night before your fingered her. Besides most girls are with their friends and you'll have a hard time isolating. During the second meeting dhv the hell out of yourself. Don't be the boring foreigner who came to Poland for work. Let her know that you have a ton of stuff going on and that you'd like to meet again time permitting. Test the waters during a make out session but don't invite her to your place, she will think you are going too far.

I don't have a structured plan afterwards as I usually go with the flow. With most girls it takes me 3 solid dates (excluding the approach) to end up at my place but I'm not the most efficient guy (I have a full time job as well). Many times I was meeting 2 girls the same day back to back and I wasn't focused on bringing them home but on building comfort and practice my game. Rarely the 3 dates happened over a period of 8 weeks. I was keeping in touch regularly on whatsapp thinking that I'm being played but the girls were genuinely busy. Just when I stopped texting I got a "Do you have plans for tonight ?" out of nowhere. These were also among the hottest leads.

Lastly 90% of the girls I bring home want a ltr. This can be good of a bad thing depending on your priorities. Unless you're building a harem, you'll find that most of them will slip away. You tend to become lazy so you stop doing the approaches and dates which in turn affects your game and limits your options. Polish girls get attached quite easily and are not into the whole fb thing, not for a long time at least. That's my experience in 2016 Krakow. I may write a datasheet of the best pickup places if I find the time.

Post: #3206

Thanks for the replies guys.
I'm now reading the Bang Poland book and I agree 100% with what it's said about the girls.

They're very friendly and it's easy to confuse their friendliness with something else. I know this polish girl that I thought (and still think) is really into me. She makes sexual innuendos all the time, she asks me very personal questions, she proposed to do activities with me (even intimate like watching a movie in my apartment, going to dinner alone ecc), she touches me (lips, cheeks, shoulders ecc), she lean toward me everytime, she makes an effort to fill silences, she said her friends like me a lot and if I like them back, smiles a lot, propose to cook for me, very flirtatious body language ecc....but then when I actually was 101% sure she was very into me she says she likes me as a friend and she was acting friendly. I really didn't expect that. And the funny thing is that she still keeps doing these things. I don't know what to think about it. Never happened something like that before.

I don't know if you guys experienced something similar with polish girls....

Post: #3207

She probably has a boyfriend.

Post: #3208

UKH I would not look too much into it and try to bring other women into your life, but keep her in your circle. Having a friend like that can be invaluable here as long as you don't catch major feels or have a jealous girlfriend.

Polish girls can be very open, but they can also be playing the long game to see if you're invested in them or just stringing them along while you have a collection of other Polka's. That's a caveat of being foreign, their immediate impression of you is that you're here to get multiple Polka notches and then be on your way back home. And girls here are very protective of their sexuality for the most part. This is due to them being very sensitive emotionally because they haven't been brought up to be stone-cold bitches who "don't need no man", and they're aware they can fall in love with a man easily.

I've heard of lot of older women who are in really crap relationships, because unless there's some extenuating circumstances putting their livelihood at risk they would rather put up with the bad and keep the family together as a unit rather than risk a broken home. Most divorces are from infidelity or both parties simply outgrowing each other and coming to a mutual decision.

I've digressed a little but it gives you an idea of what Polish women are like. You really have to be conscious of their emotions and learn how to leverage them, rather than play manipulation games or force a bang.

By bringing other women into your life this means you can direct your attention elsewhere but keep her around in case she's just playing the long game. If she questions your sudden pursuit of other women rather than encouraging it, then you have a better idea of where she's coming from. You should never put all your eggs in one basket regardless of which country you're in, just don't break too many hearts and stay honest.

Post: #3209

I'm in Poland.

About myself:

25yo, from Italy. I know game for like 5 years but in the last couple of years I haven't run cold approaching game at all (or almost at all). Nowadays I run only social circle game with very good results when I'm in Italy. I managed to build a large circle of friends and acquaintances and I get to know girls from there. I stopped doing cold approaches because my results were bad and I honestly think it was a waste of time in Italy. When I'm abroad I do cold approach girls because I have no other options and for obvious reasons I don't consider myself an expert in this regard so I'm open for advice.

My diary:

I arrived yesterday around 7pm. I was very tired and completely sleep deprived because I hadn't sleep at all the night before (and also because of the travel) but decided to got out nonetheless just to see a bit the nightlife. Met with a guy from the forum, had a beer and then we went to a club called Frantic. Cover was 20zl. It was quite good but I literally had no energy and almost felt asleep in the dancefloor so I had to go home after like 20 minutes. When I was leaving I saw really lots of guys getting in so I think it was a total sausage fest from like 1an onward. I think going early is the key here.

Today I woke up around 1 pm and decided to check out Galeria Krakow. It's a huge shopping center near the railway station. Lots of girls there and actually I managed to number close a girl. I was looking for a Plus store to get my polish SIM card, sat in one of the benches, asked the girl sat next to me and she was very friendly and smiley. Didn't expect that tbh.

First impressions:

This is definitely the a country of 7s. Literally wherever you see you can spot an endless amount of 7s. I haven't seen a 9s or 10s yet. I was in Ukraine this summer and there were quite a few of 9s and 10s but to be honest I prefer the way it is in Poland. The 9s and 10s in Ukraine (but even the 7s and 8s) were predominantly gold diggers with a plain and boring personality. Didn't like the girls there much. Here in Poland girls are much friendlier, cheerful and down to earth. They don't give me the impression they're gold diggers at all.
As for guys, polish guys are pretty average, majority of them are plain but there also are a sizable number of guys from abroad (in erasmus) and they usually are better looking than the polish guys.

Post: #3210

Don't be confused by the "friendliness" since it is usually only because they want to be polite. I know that compared with the nightmare of the environments in Italy, that might appear very good, but just be aware that a lot of work is required before sealing the deal, and I calculated that in the last period more than 80% of the numbers don't lead to any further date (the percentage was opposite three years ago: 80% of the numbers were actually solid).
This weekend is not going to be the best for the national holiday tomorrow. Krakow girls will come back to their families. Myself also, bored by usual sausage fests in the weekends in the clubs, I am flying to the West for a few days to have some fun, since nowadays the nightlife is a lot better in West Europe than in Poland.
I just disagree about the Erasmus guys. They are not a real competition, but they are instead an obstacle to our game due to their poor skills - with girls thinking all foreigners are the same.

Post: #3211

The girls are half as pretty as Ukranians, with 3x the atitude

I gamed almost 10 in one session, and all i got was disgruntled atitudes and weird vibes. I think its the chemtrails, pollution in the air and combination of iphones or something. There definitely is a very different vibe amongst the women compared to the very friendly ukranian women in general.

Dont come here. Cant say anything for other cities havent really checked them out much

Post: #3212

The adventure in Lublin continues

After waking up the next day from a nice sleep in the hotel, I go downstairs to have a good Polish breakfast and check out. I text a guy who is renting a airBnb flat on Prezydenta Gabriela Naturowicza opposite the Psicology and Pedagogic Faculty. Not a bad flat I must say. I ask the guy if he knows any nice places to party on a Monday evening and he recommends Pauza. I look it up on the map and it's far away from the flat. The TV is not working but hey I'm not here to watch TV right?

I go out to buy some groceries and after some exchange in my basic Polish I manage to buy them and after head to the center to check the girls. When I get there I come across a nice Polish girl who stares at me and smiles. By the time I react and try to talk to her ,she is gone. Could it have been the cute receptionist from the night before?

I send a text to the girl I met at the airport and she says she'll be off work around 8 so we can meet in the Old town. Sweet.

The rest of the day I spend it sightseeing, checking out the girls, I have lunch at a Polish restaurant and later in the afternoon I go to a cukierna to have some coffee and try to interact and flirt with the hostess but her English is limited. I must say that I'm not very good at daygaming, I usually only go for an interaction when I get clear interest but I prefer nightgame which has given me better results.

I walk down the street and I hear some Spanish. It is a university town after all.

In the evening I go to Komitet, its nearly empty at the time, i sit down, ask the barman if he speaks English and he says just a little.I ask him about the beers and he recomends Perla. It's not my favourite I must say but you have to love how cheap beer is in this country.I get a text from the girl saying she finished and that's she is coming with a friend.WTF?

Oh well, it was too late to backout, maybe she would have good information about places to party or introduce me to other girls she knows.We meet in a bar in Stare Miasto and we keep on drinking, We bounce to another place called Whisky Cafe. I truly recommend this place. It has whiskeys from all over the worl, including Poland and they play blues. Really cool joint.So we meet up with a couple more of friends of her but nobody worth writing home about. After drinking quite a lot I tell them that I want to go party they say they can't but they recommend Pauza.Second time. So I decide that I am going to check it out.

They call a cab and they take straight to that place within the university campus. I bid them farewell and wander in alone. It turns out its kareoke night, the fiesta is on and it's full of students. I smile, I am the only non white person in that club.Good ratio also.

I drink a few beers and have a look around. Many people are dancing and many singing. I usually like to do this game where after looking around ,I stand in one place where there are many nice girls and when one catches my eye I smile at them and say cheers! with my bottle. I do just that to a cute girl who stares at me and she starts talking to me in Polish. I say a few words in Polish and she is impressed.Then I say I only speak a bit. We talk in English and she asks me the usual stuff: what are you doing here, etc. I lie and say that I am Medicine student.

She warms up to me and we start dancing and singing to many of the songs which is Disco Polo. I think to myself, this is going well. She says I am going to smoke. I don't smoke but I tell her I'll go with you.

Outside we talk some more in the cold night and then she drops the bomb: she has a boyfriend. Man, Roosh was not wrong about the Polish girls and how they go to clubs and dance with other guys while they have their boyfriend. Should have asked her in the first 10 minutes of interaction. She asks me to add her on Facebook (I don't since its a waste of time). I go to the dance floor to see if I can get another girl but by now its too late. A drunk Polish dude befriends me and talks in Polish, I tell him I dont speak Polish but he carries on. I decide to grab my coat and leave. It's a good place, good choice on Monday evenings.

I check the distance to the flat: 25 minutes. I think about getting a cab but I am too drunk to try and slur words that wont be understood anyway. I walk to the flat and go straight to bed. In the morning I wake up with a hangover and check out of the flat. The owner is kind enough to take me to the train station. I attempt to buy my ticket to my next destination in Polish and to my surprise it works. I get on the train that would take me on the next destination on this tour: Rzeszow...

Post: #3213

@UkraineHunter: Welcome to Poland.

Tip - as has been said on this forum by highly-repped guys, for cold approach, Poland is a daygame country, and your Game must be good (don't worry about that one girl who friend-zoned you, for starters).

If you notice which posters do that, versus which posters do only nightgame, you'll notice a difference.

Also note that this weekend is actually a three-day holiday weekend, starting today. Girls will go home today, if they didn't go home yesterday.

Post: #3214

Hello all,

Is any one opened to wing in Gdansk / Sopot? The current wing I have as a big tendency to talk only with guys even when I open sets ^^

See you soon

Post: #3215

Will be in Katowice 13-15 Nov and Bydgoszcz 16-17 and going to hit the clubs.If anyone is around drop me a PM.

Post: #3216

(11-12-2016 06:07 AM)Sleek2b Wrote:  Hello all,

Is any one opened to wing in Gdansk / Sopot? The current wing I have as a big tendency to talk only with guys even when I open sets ^^

See you soon

262 what are you doing man? Can't you tell when a man is just trying to get some pussy?

Post: #3217

^ Hehe. I can't help that Sleek2b keeps wanting to practice his "boyfriend-destroyer" Game.

In all seriousness, I just sent him a PM.

Post: #3218

Anyone based in Poznan? here for a week

Curious to hear what are your experience with Tinder in Poland? I get a lot of attractive matches but my conversion rate is pretty low (say 10% match to date).
While I don't get as many matches in Western Europe, my conversion is rate is much higher. Are they more into validation seeking here or I'm just "gaming" them wrong?

Post: #3219

Weird thing that happened to me today, was having a coffee with a friend of mine off the forum, we got chatting with a couple of girls next to us, probably for the benefit of him more than me as Im taken. One was Italian and had recently moved to Poland because "Italy is no longer a good place to live", she was quite attractive, I had assumed Polish just because she had long black hair and was slim with no tats or facial piercings. I confronted her about it before leaving asking if she was reffering to the immigration and muslims and I ended up staying for an extra 5 minutes just bashing the west with them, was a pretty funny turn around Point is though, this was the first girl I have ever met that moved here due to the immigration crisis, maybe a sign of things to come.

Edit: fellow forum member stayed to game her, turns out she basically does daygame, nails dudes she meets at coffee shops (starbucks), even the employees, why am i not surprised lol.

Post: #3220

In fact the migrant crisis is one of the reason why many people are leaving Italy, Germany, France, etc. The number of foreign girls in Poland is still low, but I am observing a slow increase compared to last years. They usually complain about the local environment (can't blame them, coming from a country where they are treated as princess ) and they are often not good looking though.
But you can find the nice looking one and here is what we are talking...
Also, especially in summer many female tourists.

Overall coming back often for trips in West, the interaction with girls is generally more pleasant than with East European ones (probably due to similar culture, values, etc.); but there is unfortunately also a drop in term of quality...

Post: #3221

That girl is an exception. Girls in Italy are treated so well and they have so many choices in men that they literally have no reason to leave and, if anything, they're all socially liberals and pro immigration especially the younger ones. There is a politician in Italy (Matteo Salvini) that is anti illegal immigration (I repeat illegal immigration) and is constantly bashed by people, especially young girls.

Post: #3222

Will be in Warsaw tomorrow for a weekend (took two unpaid sick days from work for this LOL).

Will post a small data sheet. I'm sure there's lots of data on Warsaw on here, but considering that most guys in Poland on here aren't there it might be helpful to add some slightly updated info.

Post: #3223

[quote='Giacomo Casanova' pid='1446191' dateline='1479320524']
In fact the migrant crisis is one of the reason why many people are leaving Italy, Germany, France, etc.

People are NOT leaving Germany because immigrants are moving there... completely false.

Post: #3224

(11-16-2016 04:22 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(11-16-2016 01:22 PM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  In fact the migrant crisis is one of the reason why many people are leaving Italy, Germany, France, etc.

People are NOT leaving Germany because immigrants are moving there... completely false.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-20...any-droves

This is fortunately not going to happen in Poland.

Post: #3225

(11-16-2016 07:44 AM)BishesMyron Wrote:  Curious to hear what are your experience with Tinder in Poland? I get a lot of attractive matches but my conversion rate is pretty low (say 10% match to date).
While I don't get as many matches in Western Europe, my conversion is rate is much higher. Are they more into validation seeking here or I'm just "gaming" them wrong?

You shouldn't even be using game on Tinder here.

Poland is currently on stage 2 of Tinder, with a few indications of stage 3. I made this up myself, in case you want a source:

Quote:Stage 1 - All hotties, want hook ups/dates. Have to have looks/status to get somewhere. No super ugly and creepy guys so girls don't have a bitch shield.

Stage 2 - Some ugly girls here and there, but still mostly hotties and a lot of cute, normal chicks. Can speak normally and get meetings quite easily. Males are starting to catch on, but it's not so bad that girls are spammed with "want sum fuk" by 35 year old divorcees.

Stage 3 - Ugly/damaged girls increase in prevalence, need to have decent game and look better than potential matches due to entitlement and user saturation. Attention whoring and social media links starting to crop up, girls beginning to ask for height or putting height preferences in bio.

Stage 4 - Dead zone. 90% of girls are ugly/damaged, will still only meet if you're within the pareto principle for them. Matches are a source of validation, not an opportunity to reach out.

To add to that, the male demographic on Tinder in Poland is mostly Polaks playing natural asshole game, or straight up asking for sex. Probably because they read articles from Western countries saying that brings the highest amount of success. However this works with western countries because the majority of single men are simps, and men who are not have an edge to them.

Meanwhile in Poland the majority of guys are not simps, meaning the female populace draws zero appeal from asshole game and by having these guys saturate Tinder with said game, you can capitalise on your good nature by playing the contrary gentleman. By "gaming" them you're not being an outlier.

All of my meetings have been a result of platonic IM exchanges with some light humour thrown in. I've had non-responses too of course and a few went dark before I had time to suggest meeting, but that's expected. I haven't sent a message to about 80 of my matches, if all 80 of those matches messaged me I wouldn't want to respond or meet all of them and girls on Tinder match with practically all of their swipes and all matches undoubtedly send them a message, so of course she's not going to meet or respond to everyone.

Besides, do you really want to date a Polish girl who you have to jump through hoops to meet? Surely a more suited to our tastes girl would meet purely because you have a positive exchange.