Post: #26

Great stuff, great summary. Curious on your status...

I noticed you don't post but have been on here a year. When you say "Parting Advice", are you leaving RVF or simply going to stay but not contribute frequently?

You typed up a great summary and it seems you have something to offer the forum.

Either way good luck.

Post: #27

Great post! What sites did you use for pipelining before your trips to Asia?

Post: #28

Great summary.

One question: Where are some good places in New York to meet Asian girls?

Post: #29

Are you going to cheat on your wife? Does she know about your past?

I plan on living with a girl. I currently do. I don't plan on getting married.

Post: #30

Are you going to cheat on your wife? Does she know about your past?

I plan on living with a girl. I currently do. I don't plan on getting married.

Post: #31

I would be curious to know how long you have been in this relationship since you seem keen to 'cash in' just before 40.

When you started seeing her properly did you have that 40 barrier in mind where you wanted to leave the game behind?

Post: #32

OP is having log-in issues so asked me to share this.

Re: Leaving the game due to finding 'the one'

Agree wholeheartedly that guys who leave the game because they found 'the one' will be right back out there eventually. There is no 'one.' Doesn't exist. There are only people who you really like and like you, and who you have a lot of things in common with, and who, at the end of the day, you like being with. But no relationship is perfect, and no person is perfect. I've simply made a choice to open a new chapter of my life, which involves moving from being single and sleeping around to being in a relationship and starting a family. Will it be easy? No way. But I'm happy with my decision and am really excited about it.

Re: 9's and 10's

The advice not to go for 9s and 10s was not because there's anything wrong with them, or because they're stupid or bitchy or high maintenance; it's merely a logistical issue, especially when you go to Asia. If you are in Japan, Korea, etc., 9s and 10s will be with local guys. It's just a fact. You can try and try, but you will get nowhere, and you will get frustrated and angry, and you will leave empty handed. FYI: I have never ever ever seen a white guy or a black guy with a Japanese or Korean girl who was above an 8. And even seeing them with an 8 was rare. Most were with 5s and 6s and some 7s. The truth is that in these countries, despite what you hear, most girls do not want to be with a foreigner. Yes, everyone is fascinated and curious, but the hottest of the hot will not sacrifice their social position by doing so. The ones who will are either less attractive (and less attractive to local guys), or have studied abroad or traveled and have more exposure to different types of guys (and are thus more open-minded and intelligent). The only super hot girls I saw in Asia with non-locals were due to financial reasons - Thailand, Phils, Indo. I also saw this a lot in China, although even then it was still mainly old, rich local guys with hot young girls.

Re: Pipelining in Asia

Tagged, OkCupid, Couchsurfing, Adult Friend Finder

Re: Meeting girls in NYC

Asian girls are everywhere in New York. But for wall-to-wall Asians visit one of the three Chinatowns in Manhattan, Queens and Brooklyn

Post: #33

By using words "parting advice" you're implying you are leaving the game.

If you think you're leaving the game just because you got a serious relationship, you're gonna find yourself right back in the game before you know it.

Relationships require tighter more prolonged game than pick up.

She never stops being hypergamous. Thus you never leave the game.

Trust me. I know. I've made the mistake before of lightening up just because I was in a relationship. It didn't work out.

Game is life is game.

Post: #34

(10-31-2014 08:25 AM)Downtown Wrote:  Relationships require tighter more prolonged game than pick up.

Nonsense. You are using the word game quite differently than its usual meaning. Huge numbers of betas have good marriages. But do these betas have game as most people in this forum use the term? No. In fact for some of these betas the only person they ever had sex with in their entire life was the the person they married.

Post: #35

Quote:Finally taking myself out of the game (marriage, baby). I’ve learned a lot over the years, and want to share a few things that I wish I knew before I started.

I appreciate the run down, but please don't get married... if you're good at game (as it seems you are), then you will always yearn for the hunt and that insipid need will wreck your relationship once you pass the honeymoon phase... It's happened to me. I fall in love and then right out of it. Once you know you're a man of options, there's no going back...

Take it from me, I've been there... I'm divorced. Marriage and living together does nothing to enhance a relationship anyway...

Post: #36

(10-31-2014 01:53 PM)PastTense Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 08:25 AM)Downtown Wrote:  Relationships require tighter more prolonged game than pick up.

Nonsense. You are using the word game quite differently than its usual meaning. Huge numbers of betas have good marriages. But do these betas have game as most people in this forum use the term? No. In fact for some of these betas the only person they ever had sex with in their entire life was the the person they married.

not sure that i've read on this board that its conventional wisdom that betas in large numbers have good marriages.

game is about managing your life the way you want it. its more than just a pick up thing. its about expressing your desires shamelessly and being able to make them happen.

marriage game is constant, grinding and forever.

Post: #37

Quote: not sure that i've read on this board that its conventional wisdom that betas in large numbers have good marriages.

game is about managing your life the way you want it. its more than just a pick up thing. its about expressing your desires shamelessly and being able to make them happen.

marriage game is constant, grinding and forever.

You can't possibly manage your life "the way you want it" and live with a chick... It's just impossible. Alpha guys value their freedom and if they give that up, that's inherently a compromise...

Women become like moms when you move in with them and that's when the beta backslide begins. You can try to manage it and many of us do it effectively, but with a quality chick that's not a whore (who I assume most of you are looking for), you're going to have to compromise for the sake of peace. I suppose you can have a completely compliant and acquiescent wife in the Middle East, but not here in America where feminism and careerism reigns supreme.

So in other words, the beginning of a relationship where you're able to be a super alpha in no way reflects the reality toward the middle/end of a relationship when you're combining possessions and finances, dealing with family members, and considering children... you can't live the way you want to in that situation.

And this is why I argue against marriage for longer term "mini relationships" where you live separately... But even then, you have to change your strategy down the road. You can't bang a quality chick out for more then a few months without showing some hints of betatude to quell her hamster and keep it going...

Post: #38

If there is one thing I've learned. If you believe it can be so, it can be.

Unshakeable frame is the bedrock of all of it. Being willing to let less than perfect go because you know what you deserve is key. That and knowing something else better is down the road.

You have to be willing to say take it or leave it at all times.

Managing expectations from the beginning gives you the power to do that. "You knew what you are signing up for"

Post: #39

If there is one thing I've learned. If you believe it can be so, it can be.

Unshakeable frame is the bedrock of all of it. Being willing to let less than perfect go because you know what you deserve is key. That and knowing something else better is down the road.

You have to be willing to say take it or leave it at all times.

Managing expectations from the beginning gives you the power to do that. "You knew what you are signing up for"

Post: #40

(10-31-2014 03:01 PM)lycosidae Wrote:  

Quote:Finally taking myself out of the game (marriage, baby). I’ve learned a lot over the years, and want to share a few things that I wish I knew before I started.

I appreciate the run down, but please don't get married... if you're good at game (as it seems you are), then you will always yearn for the hunt and that insipid need will wreck your relationship once you pass the honeymoon phase... It's happened to me. I fall in love and then right out of it. Once you know you're a man of options, there's no going back...

Take it from me, I've been there... I'm divorced. Marriage and living together does nothing to enhance a relationship anyway...

Dude, I totally hear you, loud and clear. And you are probably right. Once you get immersed in the game, and once you get good at it, it's really really hard to stop (especially all at once). I'm actually having trouble doing this, because gaming has become my main hobby. In fact, it's more than that; it's almost an addiction. I used to have a lot of different interests, but now gaming has eclipsed them all. Even my favorite thing to do - travel - morphed into game. The fact is that I just absolutely love pussy, and no matter how much I get I always want more.

Here's an example: recently I met up with a girl to have sex. On the way to meet her I saw a girl I wanted to bang; after we met and were walking together I saw 2 girls I wanted to bang; after we had sex I saw another girl I wanted to bang. It's gotten to the point were my appetite is insatiable, and I need a way out. So I found one. Maybe it's not the best way, but it's certainly the best way I've seen so far.

Otherwise, what's the alternative? Go to like sexaholic anonymous meetings? And if I keep running game, how long can that even go on for - 5, 10 years? After that you're just too old. Then you either game older women or pay for it, neither of which I want to do. Trust me, I'm not naively thinking I've met the girl of my dreams who is going to turn me off all other girls. I know it's going to be difficult. But I've got to try!

Post: #41

I wish you the best bro. You've clearly thought this out and acted with purpose. Kudos.

I'll offer a POV slightly off-center. Truth be told, its not even mine.

"When you are STUCK with one girl, you begin resenting her for your sexual unhappiness. BUT if you bang girls on the side, you truly realize how much you love and enjoy her company."

Just some food for thought. Human paradox 101.