Post: #26

Oddly enough it is white women in europe or in parts of brazil, in general, where being a white male probably helps significantly. Being of color takes away points from you for the majority of white women, even if they don't admit it. You have to work harder and sometimes rely on niche game.

Post: #27

(10-21-2014 09:26 PM)TripleG Wrote:  @20 Nation:
Poland: Darker featured white guys do really well here and opposite lighter featured guys are at a disadvantage. Open to black guys, I think there is a percentage that really want them. Latinos should do well here, but there are a lot of really tall Polish girls, so height is a plus.

Spot on about Poland, I failed miserably there (only spent significant time in Warsaw and near Gdansk). It is one of the few European countries where being of average height, pale, and blonde (myself) is a disadvantage. By the way, Polish girls love the Latin look!

I will add another country to the list which is very similar but just might be one of the most competitive countries IMHO for game and that is

Lithuania: Darker featured, tall, white guys do really well here. Also, this summer I saw black guys pulling high talent around Klaipeda and Palanga. If you're black (we are talking American/Canadian), tall and well-groomed your exotic factor is through the roof. I will use a new word BGF (Black God Factor) is visible there.

I see no inherent advantage in being Latino here in Poland. I am in krakow now, for 2 weeks, and have had to rely on niche game. I am also over 35 so I see that, like in America, women mostly date around their age.

Post: #28

6'2 blonde/blue eyed guy ... I get the best responses from Polish badoo (quantity and quality of girls).
Better then colombiancupid and obviously a lot better quality then here in Philippines(average Polish girl seems to be like 1-2 points above average Filipina).

Post: #29

(10-23-2014 11:19 AM)ballybally Wrote:  6'2 blonde/blue eyed guy ... I get the best responses from Polish badoo (quantity and quality of girls).
Better then colombiancupid and obviously a lot better quality then here in Philippines(average Polish girl seems to be like 1-2 points above average Filipina).

yes bally, you have confirmed what i am seeing on the ground in poland now. The girls who answer back, to me on badoo, are girls who have a fetish or liking for latino or italian culture. But they are just a drop in the bucket. Not significant, like some of the past intel would have led us to believe. Westernization has occured fast here.

Post: #30

(10-22-2014 05:46 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  I've been to a lot of countries and the "White God" factor is basically overblown in my opinion. I'll summarize the reasons as follows:

- What is characterized as "White God" factor is really tourists and foreigners getting more attention because they are presumed to have more money. What some guys view as locals worshiping whiteness is just poor locals in the tourist industry viewing any foreigner as a walking ATM. This is not just reserved for white guys, non-white guys get this type of attention in many tourist places. I've seen this all over the place from Bali to Bangkok to Rio.

- White guys very often end up hanging out with the shady girls of a society and interpret that to mean that girls from the wider population worship White guys. A classic example is Thailand where literally 90% plus of the White guys who score with Thai girls are dealing with the small segment of Thai society that is open to White guys (generally pros, semi pros, gringo hunters). I guarantee you that the vast majority of Thai girls have never touched a white guy and that in any society the mass of women generally prefer the guys who look like local guys.

- Being white is one factor among many when girls are selecting a guy. In any society the vast majority of girls are not actively seeking a non-local whether that is because of cultural, language or just practical reasons caused by lack of supply. When guys act like just being white is enough, even if they are only 5'9 or have shit game, then that is just completely wrong. I would say your race never has any more than a 15-20% variable in any society I've been. The idea that a white guy can just jump off the plane in Brazil or SE Asia and score left and right (with legit girls) is completely bogus.

- There has never been a proper "scientific" study done between white guys v. non-white guys. What I mean is that if someone claims Whites rule in the Philippines to really test this you would have to bring in the same amount of Arab, Indian, or Black guys and have them throw around the same amount of money as whites do. You rarely get this situation so you never are able to properly evaluate how other groups would fare. However, there are some examples such as with Koreans around SE Asia. You go to Manila and there are whole sections of the city dedicated to taking care of Korean men because they have built a reputation in the country. A similar thing is happening with Arab guys in Bangkok. Perceptions are not inherently based on someone's skin color but instead are created by how people in a given country view certain groups of foreigners. When those foreigners come in numbers and thrown down money then guess what: pussy opens up.

Anyway, this forum has too many posts in which white guys attribute their likelihood of success in a country to their whiteness. After hanging out with hundreds of white guys all around the world on six continents I have to call flame on the "White God" factor. You have to have something else going for you whether it's height, money, or personality. Legit girls do not fall in your lap just because you are a certain color. I think for some white guys thinking that there is salvation abroad because of their skin color serves as a form of therapeutic hope from hideous American women. In reality though, you always have to work for your pussy.

I'm new to the forum. Long time lurker I thought I would comment on this.

I travel to Asia extensively and have had pretty good success there, especially compared to my home country. I wouldn't describe myself as particularly good looking, not rich, and I never throw money at girls. Actually I've had a few girls throw money at me! To say that most guys here are throwing money at Asian women in order to sleep with them is probably insulting a lot of people.

2) I highly doubt a dark skinned Indian or black guy, etc will experience the same success as an average white guy in places like Thailand, Vietnam, China, etc, when it is a well known fact that most of the population dislikes dark skin and the women still use umbrellas to shield themselves from the sun and keep their skin white. Based on what I've seen in clubs--and I've been to a lot of them in Asia-- this still holds true. Just like I would never expect the same success as a black guy would in America, Germany, France, or Sweden or what have you.

3) There are plenty of threads that describe which countries are great for ethnic guys. "Croatia is black man's Disneyland" comes to mind. So why shouldn't other races be able to post about which countries are best for them?

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Post: #32

As has been said, a certain "look" will only give you a marginal increase in attention.

95% of your results are down to your game. If you are not pulling, there is something wrong with your game, not your look. A good player will do well wherever he goes. I have a Spanish appearance, and before I travelled for game, I learned how to consistently get girls in my own country, where every man looks like me. One travels for quality, not for ease. If you don't have the game to pull in your own country, you won't pull abroad either.

Post: #33

"If you don't have the game to pull in your own country, you won't pull abroad either.". This is the truth!

Post: #34

@ DrFrasierCrane: you are just guessing that the population will prefer whites to non-whites based on what I imagine is a typical white attitude towards Asia. A lot of times I hear American and western white guys saying people in XYZ country in Asia are racist and then I go there and it's BS. Whites have a really bad practice of projecting American racism onto other places. Believe it or not girls growing up in a communist society like China or Vietnam may not have the same ingrained prejudices that people raised in America are brainwashed with. Not everyone views race first like Americans do, even if they deny that occurs.

A lot of times white guys interpret the preference for white skin to mean these societies prefer white men. That is not the case. The white skin preference was a pre-industralization thing in which rural workers had darker skin so society preferred lighter skin people who were viewed as having better jobs. It has nothing to do with worshiping people of Euro descent. This type of thought process happened long before white men ever entered Asia to game chicks. The idea that Asian girls today are so unsophisticated that they automatically think a white guy is God and anyone else is worthless is a pretty simplistic thing to say, especially in communist society's where people are thought from birth that everyone is basically equal. Again, game is the most important thing so the stereotype that "I highly doubt a dark skinned Indian or black guy, etc will experience the same success as an average white guy" is profoundly foolish. You have no facts to back this up other than the typical white god rhetoric spewed around this board non stop even though the vast majority of posts involve guys banging legit shady as fuck chicks in Thailand and then inputting that to mean all Thai girls are sluts for white cock.

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Post: #36

(10-21-2014 08:50 PM)Old Fritz Wrote:  How are arab world women? (Algeria, Morocco, Jordan, etc)

Also, how is Israel?

I’ve been to Morocco and some of the women there are very hot. I’ve heard that Arab women are pretty favourable towards Indian men – not that like the dark guy who appears in the IRT thread, built well dressed, tall, light skinned Indians. A lot of Arab women watch Bollywood films, so some of them like Indian men. I remember going to Marrakesh in Morocco and hearing Bollywood music blasting out of a store. In Morocco I saw a lot of French guys with Arab women, but a lot of it was obviously p4p.

About 10 years ago, in Italy I spoke to an Indian guy who used to live in Israel – he was fluent in Hebrew and he carried a Nokia phone with Hebrew numbers on it. He told me he got laid in Israel a couple of times because for the Israeli women it was very unusual to see an Indian man. This guy was dark, but he was good looking. He told me he used to wait at a bus stand near a village and sleazy old Italian men would slow down and ask him to get in their car – he said no every time. One time an Italian woman who was in her 50s pulled over and said to him, “I like the colour of your skin”. He ended up banging her in a field.

(10-22-2014 05:46 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  - There has never been a proper "scientific" study done between white guys v. non-white guys. What I mean is that if someone claims Whites rule in the Philippines to really test this you would have to bring in the same amount of Arab, Indian, or Black guys and have them throw around the same amount of money as whites do. You rarely get this situation so you never are able to properly evaluate how other groups would fare. However, there are some examples such as with Koreans around SE Asia. You go to Manila and there are whole sections of the city dedicated to taking care of Korean men because they have built a reputation in the country. A similar thing is happening with Arab guys in Bangkok. Perceptions are not inherently based on someone's skin color but instead are created by how people in a given country view certain groups of foreigners. When those foreigners come in numbers and thrown down money then guess what: pussy opens up.

Adding to your comment – a lot of Black, Arab and Indian men are not interested in SE Asian women at all, so never travel there. In addition to Europe, many Arabs travel to India and Pakistan and bang the local girls there (usually all p4p).

I’ve been told by Chinese and Korean friends that Korean men are pretty popular in a lot of SE Asian countries because of Korean TV shows, plus Koreans are seen as pretty wealthy now. A Korean friend of mine had a lot of IOIs from Thai women whilst he was visiting Thailand, but he’s married so he didn’t act upon it.

(10-22-2014 11:03 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  If I had never been to the Philippines (or SEA) before and just read stuff on the internet i'd wrongly assume that it's a place that's only good for white guys. That's just a complete misrepresentation of not just that country in particular but asia in general. I'm not white but Philippines has been damn good for me and so are most other parts of asia.

Are you ethnically Chinese? I have friends from various Asian countries and I’ve been told that in SE Asia the richest people are Chinese, so Chinese have a DHV.

Post: #37

(10-23-2014 04:14 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  A lot of times white guys interpret the preference for white skin to mean these societies prefer white men. That is not the case. The white skin preference was a pre-industralization thing in which rural workers had darker skin so society preferred lighter skin people who were viewed as having better jobs. It has nothing to do with worshiping people of Euro descent. This type of thought process happened long before white men ever entered Asia to game chicks. The idea that Asian girls today are so unsophisticated that they automatically think a white guy is God and anyone else is worthless is a pretty simplistic thing to say, especially in communist society's where people are thought from birth that everyone is basically equal. Again, game is the most important thing so the stereotype that "I highly doubt a dark skinned Indian or black guy, etc will experience the same success as an average white guy" is profoundly foolish. You have no facts to back this up other than the typical white god rhetoric spewed around this board non stop even though the vast majority of posts involve guys banging legit shady as fuck chicks in Thailand and then inputting that to mean all Thai girls are sluts for white cock.

About the poster who said ""I highly doubt a dark skinned Indian or black guy, etc will experience the same success as an average white guy" I think he was keeping it real. It might not be flattering because some of us like to think we can gamed that particular female...

I have had German women approach me...close me and game had ZERO to do with it. They liked my look. In particular they like my "black" look. How do I know? They told me. Now I could go to some places looking like Tyson Beckford and I would probably not get approached because of that. It's harsh reality when you are on the bad side of it, a fantastic boon when you are on the "good" side of it.

Post: #38

(10-23-2014 04:14 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  A lot of times white guys interpret the preference for white skin to mean these societies prefer white men. That is not the case. The white skin preference was a pre-industralization thing in which rural workers had darker skin so society preferred lighter skin people who were viewed as having better jobs. It has nothing to do with worshiping people of Euro descent. This type of thought process happened long before white men ever entered Asia to game chicks. The idea that Asian girls today are so unsophisticated that they automatically think a white guy is God and anyone else is worthless is a pretty simplistic thing to say, especially in communist society's where people are thought from birth that everyone is basically equal. Again, game is the most important thing so the stereotype that "I highly doubt a dark skinned Indian or black guy, etc will experience the same success as an average white guy" is profoundly foolish. You have no facts to back this up other than the typical white god rhetoric spewed around this board non stop even though the vast majority of posts involve guys banging legit shady as fuck chicks in Thailand and then inputting that to mean all Thai girls are sluts for white cock.

About the poster who said ""I highly doubt a dark skinned Indian or black guy, etc will experience the same success as an average white guy" I think he was keeping it real. It might not be flattering because some of us like to think we can gamed that particular female...

I have had German women approach me...close me and game had ZERO to do with it. They liked my look. In particular they like my "black" look. How do I know? They told me. Now I could go to some places looking like Tyson Beckford and I would probably not get approached because of that.


It's harsh reality when you are on the bad side of it, a fantastic boon when you are on the "good" side of it.

Post: #39

I wish people who don't know anything about Thailand would stop bringing it up.

Yes, most dudes come here and bang low class girls.

Yes, lower class girls and shady chicks, not that all lower class girls are shady, generally prefer white dudes due to money and their ability to care of them and their families.

Yes, many girls that white guys hook up with are not desirable to well off Thai guys, though there are still lots of Thai guys who desire these girls because not all Thai guys are from well to do families.

Yes, most white guys who come here have no game, fitness or style and ruin our reputation by being clowns.

Yes, many educated, desirable and well off Thai girls like white guys who are young and well put together.

Yes, many educated, desirable and well off Thai girls have no interest in white guys.

Yes, dark skinned guys will have more trouble with educated, desirable and well off Thai girls than us white guys.

Us white guys will have more trouble with these girls than the well put together locals. If we can recognize this as true, why can't we recognize that blacks and Arabs will also have it even harder? They will have more trouble with Thai girls from all walks of life due to many factors that we all already know, just the same as a Turk would in many countries. It isn't projecting whiteness, or privilege, or being racists, it really is the truth.

I've lived here for three years. I've never once seen a black guy with a decently cute local Thai girl. Not even once. Does this mean black guys are ugly and have no game? No. It just means Thailand has cultural factors which make it extremely difficult for them here. Sure, it's racist and it sucks but that's life. My ex comes from a very wealth Thai-Chinese family. We were together for a year and a half. I never once met her family. They are very racist towards white people. Her mom stopped liking one of her favorite celebrities after the celebrity married a white guy.

There are lots of black guys who like Asian girls and they don't come to Thailand for a reason. I know I'm going to get flamed to hell for this, but it's the truth. I wouldn't recommend dark guys come here for girls. I'm not saying this to piss people off or because I'm a closet racists or whatever else people are going to say about me, I'm saying it because it's the truth and that's what we do around here, swallow the red pill and tell the harsh truths.

With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if there are Thai girls who secretly have a thing for black guys. There very well may be a subset out there who sneak off to black dudes hotel rooms to bang them when no one knows. I don't know. But you're not seeing black guys or Arabs here pulling from clubs or having decent girlfriends. All that black dudes I know.here target the white chicks and seem to do pretty well, though the quality of white girls here is low overall.

Post: #40

Not saying you're wrong but don't attitudes change from city to city though? I know they do here in America; vastly. Saying "darker skinned guys don't do well here" and extend that statement to the whole country with a population of over 60 million just seems a little disingenuous. Especially when your sample size probably isn't all that big to begin with.

Also where do height, looks, social savvy (i.e. game) language skills and other attributes factor in. I would imagine a guy who could speak the local language would fare better than one who couldn't.

Post: #41

(10-24-2014 02:40 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  I've lived here for three years. I've never once seen a black guy with a decently cute local Thai girl. Not even once. Does this mean black guys are ugly and have no game? No. It just means Thailand has cultural factors which make it extremely difficult for them here. Sure, it's racist and it sucks but that's life. My ex comes from a very wealth Thai-Chinese family. We were together for a year and a half. I never once met her family. They are very racist towards white people. Her mom stopped liking one of her favorite celebrities after the celebrity married a white guy.

Most Asian cultures e.g. Indian, Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese etc.. are not traditionally not dating cultures. They’re all about respect and image. If a woman is dating a guy, she never tells her parents about it unless it’s very serious – in other words they are considering marriage. If marriage is on the table, then she would consider introducing the guy to her parents.

She behaves this way out of respect for her parents and she doesn’t want to upset them. She doesn’t want them to think she’s going to marry a guy if she’s not. She also doesn’t want her family to think she’s a slut, if she brings back a different guy all the time.

You’re correct about the racism, and it’s not only anti white or black. I have a female Chinese friend who was dating a Korean guy. She told her parents about him and they didn’t mind. He told his mother and she said ,”I don’t want or family to be like the UN. Get rid of her” (his sister is married to a white guy). He dumped her. When her mother found out she was very upset about the whole thing.

Post: #42

That's another thing people don't factor in as much. The secret society. Most fucking isn't being done in the open. From my own experience I didn't really start making inroads with non-blacks (I'm black) until I started respecting their discretion.

Post: #43

(10-24-2014 11:57 AM)the high Wrote:  Not saying you're wrong but don't attitudes change from city to city though? I know they do here in America; vastly. Saying "darker skinned guys don't do well here" and extend that statement to the whole country with a population of over 60 million just seems a little disingenuous. Especially when your sample size probably isn't all that big to begin with.

Also where do height, looks, social savvy (i.e. game) language skills and other attributes factor in. I would imagine a guy who could speak the local language would fare better than one who couldn't.

I've lived in both Bangkok and Chiang Mai, pretty much the only two cities worth living in in Thailand. The attitude does not change on this. I highly doubt it changes anywhere in the country. It's a small country, despite the population, the large majority of which are poor farmers in the countryside. Bangkok and Chiang mai are the main cities and everything I said holds true for them.

Post: #44

This is why I love Sweden color of skin doesn't matter to 85% the girls. Sure i struggle here (there's a reason why i joined this forum) but frankly these women don't really care. I have two friends one black and a chinese guy that cleans house pretty much anywhere they go. Mostly because of social circles but also because they dress like the swedish dudes and talk the language well. I might do a data sheet later this as well on Stockholm later if I have time

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(10-24-2014 02:54 PM)KC4 Wrote:  This is why I love Sweden color of skin doesn't matter to 85% the girls. Sure i struggle here (there's a reason why i joined this forum) but frankly these women don't really care. I have two friends one black and a chinese guy that cleans house pretty much anywhere they go. Mostly because of social circles but also because they dress like the swedish dudes and talk the language well. I might do a data sheet later this as well on Stockholm later if I have time

85% of the girls?



Are you talking about SNL's or LTR's?

Post: #46

LTR, my Indian friend recently broke up with his girlfriend of 4 years and her parents loved him. It all depends on the the guy and how he is.with the girls it's how they where raised and so.
But yeah I might have exaggerated the numbers a bit.

Post: #47

I think everyone will have their opinions.

Example being the Dominican Republic.

There are white members who have posted that having white skin is a big advantage, and black guys don't do that well.

On the other hand, I've met black members who say that black guys will do better.

In both cases, they did extremely well in the DR.

What I think it is, is you have guys with tight game and fluent Spanish coming down there and doing very well. Then they compare their results with the average guy and come up with explanations like "they like white guys more here" or "black guys kill here".

Then you have girls telling guys why they like them. Obviously if you are white a girls gonna tell you she loves white skin, and if you're a black guy you'll have girls telling you how hot that is too.

As a rule, if you're not a specific ethnicity you should be very careful in generalizing how someone would do based on their ethnicity/skin/hair color etc.

Post: #48

(10-21-2014 06:21 PM)simondice Wrote:  French Canada and Latino? Can anyone attest?

Yep. I know a number of girls from Quebec who have fallen for Mexicans, Dominicans and all types of Latinos. The darker look combined to the exotic factor usually does it. Aso a great excuse for these chicks to get the F away from winter.

Post: #49

Every guy will seek out justification for his own race's supremacy/well-being in pursuit of poon. It's probably a biological thing.

White guys will want to believe that their whiteness gives them an advantage with girls, and they subconsciously want others to be racist and self-hating to help them get that. That's why they are quick to go on rants about white god factor. They probably don't have bad intentions, but at a subconscious level they are trying to psyche out the male competition and discourage them.

Brown or Black or Asian guys - the ones with game - will concentrate on those of their own who are successful and not let talk of racism stand in their way, even if it is a real issue in that environment. And they are right to do so, that's inner game.

That's why these racial debates and threads can go on and on forever without resolve.

Post: #50

(10-24-2014 03:18 PM)Saladin Wrote:  I think everyone will have their opinions.

Example being the Dominican Republic.

There are white members who have posted that having white skin is a big advantage, and black guys don't do that well.

On the other hand, I've met black members who say that black guys will do better.

In both cases, they did extremely well in the DR.

What I think it is, is you have guys with tight game and fluent Spanish coming down there and doing very well. Then they compare their results with the average guy and come up with explanations like "they like white guys more here" or "black guys kill here".

Then you have girls telling guys why they like them. Obviously if you are white a girls gonna tell you she loves white skin, and if you're a black guy you'll have girls telling you how hot that is too.

As a rule, if you're not a specific ethnicity you should be very careful in generalizing how someone would do based on their ethnicity/skin/hair color etc.

What you can do is compare countries, not how it is absolutely in a country. I will always get more bangs in Colombia than Brazil. More in the Phils than in Vietnam. More in Finland than in Poland. That is what the intel in the forum is all about.