Post: #26

Game is hard enough. Celebrate each of your successes including the small ones (great flirtatious conversations, numbers, make outs) and large (bangs). It's not like you have to diminish the small successes for the big ones to come. They are not mutually exclusive. In fact, by enjoying game including the small successes, you will project a happier vibe that will make you more attractive.

I've seen guys who treat game like a big burden and those guys burn out and quit pretty fast.

Post: #27

(10-19-2014 02:35 PM)kaotic Wrote:  A make out is just a makeout, but it can escalate things, why aren't you pushing for a bang ? You should be escalating fast as fuck.

You're better than an orbiter, but you aren't banging her. The point is to make a CONNECTION and keep that open.

If night life isn't getting you dates - why don't you try day gaming, not using alcohol on dates, sharpening you skills sober?

Specifically make outs are an essential part of my DATES, especially the way you initiate it.

How do you know I don't push for bangs? If you live in conservative country and she has friends around its uphill battle though. Sure, it happens once in a while but it is still a long road from make out to taking her home.

Creating a connection with drunk girl is like trying to build a castle out of sand and expect it to last. Next day when alcohol and emotional high disappears you will be just a meaningless memory in her mind.

Yes, I do day game.

And as I stressed it in my post making out on dates is different story.

Post: #28

It all comes down to this. A girl suffers no penalty for behaving how she wants when she wants. We already know women pretty much act on their emotions and their emotions are changing by the minute. The only thing that kept this in check in the past was that they suffered consequences for not acting with some degree of consideration and fore thought. Now, they get a complete pass for doing whatever they want whenever they want. So yes, nothing they do means anything anymore unless they decide that it does or not. They make decide that is does one minute then decide that is does not the next.

So how do I handle this? I don't. I live my life for me and I do what I feel like doing when I feel like doing it. If I don't feel like having sex I don't. I walked out of a club last night on a really hot girl simply because I didn't feel like partying anymore. When you start living your life for you, then whatever a girl does won't have as much impact on you anymore. You really have to get to a point where you are living a life of almost zero expectations from girls - that is until the girl really proves otherwise.

Post: #29

(10-19-2014 02:59 PM)starmaze Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 02:35 PM)kaotic Wrote:  A make out is just a makeout, but it can escalate things, why aren't you pushing for a bang ? You should be escalating fast as fuck.

You're better than an orbiter, but you aren't banging her. The point is to make a CONNECTION and keep that open.

If night life isn't getting you dates - why don't you try day gaming, not using alcohol on dates, sharpening you skills sober?

Specifically make outs are an essential part of my DATES, especially the way you initiate it.

How do you know I don't push for bangs? If you live in conservative country and she has friends around its uphill battle though. Sure, it happens once in a while but it is still a long road from make out to taking her home.

Creating a connection with drunk girl is like trying to build a castle out of sand and expect it to last. Next day when alcohol and emotional high disappears you will be just a meaningless memory in her mind.

Yes, I do day game.

And as I stressed it in my post making out on dates is different story.

I was just assuming since I had little to no background on the situations you were in. However, I do understand where you're coming from, I decided to stop gaming at alot of venus, plus clubs weren't my style anymore unless for a major holiday or event.

I enjoy sober girls much more.

Quote:Creating a connection with drunk girl is like trying to build a castle out of sand and expect it to last.

BEST description I've heard so far about this. It's so damn true.

Post: #30

Drunk sex late night sex is the epitome of player's/gaming heaven. I don't know what you guys are complaining about

Plus the women leave and you never hear from them again. Sounds like the perfect evenings to me

Post: #31

(10-19-2014 02:42 PM)Dusty Wrote:  Game is hard enough. Celebrate each of your successes including the small ones (great flirtatious conversations, numbers, make outs) and large (bangs). It's not like you have to diminish the small successes for the big ones to come. They are not mutually exclusive. In fact, by enjoying game including the small successes, you will project a happier vibe that will make you more attractive.

Some truth to this but some Game Theorists would argue that you lose out on the end goal (bangs) by focusing on the small potatoes (makeouts). Keep your eye on the prize, whatever that may be.

Post: #32

(10-19-2014 05:24 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  What an arms race:

A smile means nothing.
A conversation means nothing.
A number means nothing.
A date means nothing.
A makeout means nothing.

Also coming soon:

A declaration of undying love means nothing.
A marriage ceremony means nothing.
A bang means nothing.
Nothing means anything.

New post today in the Newbie section - We have achieved the Singularity!

(10-19-2014 04:59 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  Gents I have a question. I have been upping my game and it is getting better. I am getting more bangs. And the quality is getting better 5-7 mostly 5 and 6s though. After two years of struggle and slowly working through the red pill my success is getting more real to me.

I am older 52 and in good shape and I am able to pull some fairly young women. Not consistently and not all the time but it is happening. Last two weeks were really good. Kind of a plateau. But there is an issue that I have a question.

I am noticing that I am able to many times get the bang on the first date by doing the things talked about on here for overcoming LMR. But then I am not getting the 2nd bang. The pattern is. Go on the date. I build lots of comfort, conversation, laughing, touching, the shit tests have been minor. I will admit that my nature is good hear-ted and not such a dark triad, but I temper that with being sexually aggressive, talking about sex and lots of touching and very direct deep eye contact.

I can see the chick getting into me. Escalate, qualifying, bounce to second location, start the kissing and the chick getting more excited, i work through LMR. Get bang. Finish date, with some talking and a little cuddling. Then take them to their car or home. We talk about meeting the following week. At this point they seem really into me. Actually making specific plans on when and where to meet. I do the followup text after they get home telling them I had a good time. Nothing too clingy or needy. They will enthusiastically respond.

May even text with them the next day. Then after that, radio silence. I am not sure what is up. I have told myself some chicks are just going to not work out and chalk it up to numbers.

Any ideas? Or am I just over thinking this?

It's official, the culture is now so slutty, even the Bang means nothing. No "Honeymoon" period anymore , you're immediately competing with every dick on Tinder the next day.

Post: #33

I have had male friends who, because of their religions, didn't believe in premarital sex. So, their goal when they were gaming women was to get the make out, which to them was morally ok as long as they didn't go past "first" or "second base." If they got a make out with an attractive girl, they were walking on air. Back before I was game aware, a make out made me almost as happy. Now, however, I prefer to skip the make out and get the bang, although I find that a good make out with an attractive woman is still enjoyable. I guess it depends on your perspective.

Post: #34

(10-19-2014 05:33 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  It's official, the culture is now so slutty, even the Bang means nothing. No "Honeymoon" period anymore , you're immediately competing with every dick on Tinder the next day.

This seems to be the case at an alarming level. If having game means bangs which mean nothing, then what is the point.

Post: #35

"He was able to create meaning for himself out of nothing."

Post: #36

Drunken make out with some random girl doesn't always lead to her wanting to fuck you.

As for all the rest of it, I dunno what you folks are talking about.

1st night cream pies mean nothing? Threesomes mean nothing?

What do guys want it to mean?

That she has an undying love for a guy like his mother?

WIA

Post: #37

(10-19-2014 03:39 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  It all comes down to this. A girl suffers no penalty for behaving how she wants when she wants.

She does suffer though.

Everytime a chick randomly makes out with a dude, bangs some guy off of OkCupid because she was bored and horny - she
- damages herself and her ability to connect
- she lowers her value to other guys
- she becomes immune to genuine emotion and addicted to emotional thrills

And ultimately that leads her to unfulfilling relationships with Alphas who don't care about her, and betas that she doesn't care about. Have a kid and sometimes realize still something else is missing. (she's probably been sold a bill of goods on eternal happiness....but I digress)

It's just that she never makes the connection between her constant if not consistent unhappiness and her behavior. (that's the core of my beef, they never get a comeuppance...just continue to fail upward)

Lot of these bitches are miserable, even though her Instagram life is jet setting to the Seychelles and buying a new pair of heels when fancy strikes.

Guys suffer from this too. They bitch about X,Y, and Z (girls, politics, money) and don't connect those problems with the fact that they aren't very social, they aren't running for office, they are stuck in industries where they can never make enough money to get out of the rat race.

WIA

Post: #38

In before I shoved my cock so far down her throat she got pregnant and puked up the fetus doesn't count.

Post: #39

(10-19-2014 07:47 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Drunken make out with some random girl doesn't always lead to her wanting to fuck you.

As for all the rest of it, I dunno what you folks are talking about.

1st night cream pies mean nothing? Threesomes mean nothing?

What do guys want it to mean?

That she has an undying love for a guy like his mother?

WIA

Yes. Guys have huge but fragile egos. They expect women to just fall in love with them and worship at their feet just because they grew a set of balls temporarily and opened a woman with a smile and "hey".

Post: #40

(10-19-2014 05:24 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  What an arms race:

A smile means nothing.
A conversation means nothing.
A number means nothing.
A date means nothing.
A makeout means nothing.

Also coming soon:

A declaration of undying love means nothing.
A marriage ceremony means nothing.
A bang means nothing.
Nothing means anything.

Forgot about BJ

Post: #41

Something only holds whatever value you personally assign it.

If a make-out session means nothing more to you than that it's a sure fire sign then you are getting laid, then the OP is correct.

If a make-out session is something you enjoy on it's own merit, then I does mean something, assuming that it retains value to you, even if you walk away from it with nothing but a fun memory.

On Saturday night, I made out with a girl on the dance floor of Mix in Beijing's San Li Tun party district.

She was an excellent kisser, probably the best I've ever experienced.

Sure, I got her number, but she hasn't responded to my texts.

Given that I absolutely love make-outs with highly qualified partners and probably enjoy them more than the average sex I'm likely to experience during a ONS from a club bounce, I'm not disappointed that I'm not going to be able to upgrade to a +1 notch count, because I enjoy kissing pretty, passionate girls with serious tongue and lip skills, even if I will never see her again.

But for guys who see kissing as only a step on the escalation procedure or for whom the pleasure experienced pales in comparison than that achieved by a full on notch count, then it's easy to say that it means nothing, because in the current sexual marketplace, it doesn't.

I don't think that OP is trying to suggest anything different than what I've outlined above.

Post: #42

(10-20-2014 01:46 AM)Suits Wrote:  Something only holds whatever value you personally assign it.

If a make-out session means nothing more to you than that it's a sure fire sign then you are getting laid, then the OP is correct.
If a make-out session is something you enjoy on it's own merit, then I does mean something, assuming that it retains value to you, even if you walk away from it with nothing but a fun memory.

On Saturday night, I made out with a girl on the dance floor of Mix in Beijing's San Li Tun party district.

She was an excellent kisser, probably the best I've ever experienced.

Sure, I got her number, but she hasn't responded to my texts.

Given that I absolutely love make-outs with highly qualified partners and probably enjoy them more than the average sex I'm likely to experience during a ONS from a club bounce, I'm not disappointed that I'm not going to be able to upgrade to a +1 notch count, because I enjoy a kissing a pretty, passion girl, even if I will never see her again.

But for guys who see kissing as only a step on the escalation procedure or for whom the pleasure experienced pales in comparison than that achieved by a full on notch count, then it's easy to say that it means nothing, because in the current sexual marketplace, it doesn't.

I don't think that OP is trying to suggest anything different than what I've outlined above.

which in turn can find its root cause in the ease/difficulty by which it was obtained. I can enjoy KFC, the ease by which I obtain it means its value isn't something ill cherish or remember. Take one of my prized watches - Audemars Piguet Royal Oak (Not the friggin offshore) Automatic; when I got it it was something I had saved and saved and thanks to a few windfalls I got one and suffice it to say the attachment I assigned to that timepiece reflected in the way I looked after it and enjoyed it.

Post: #43

(10-19-2014 04:59 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  Gents I have a question. I have been upping my game and it is getting better. I am getting more bangs. And the quality is getting better 5-7 mostly 5 and 6s though. After two years of struggle and slowly working through the red pill my success is getting more real to me.

I am older 52 and in good shape and I am able to pull some fairly young women. Not consistently and not all the time but it is happening. Last two weeks were really good. Kind of a plateau. But there is an issue that I have a question.

I am noticing that I am able to many times get the bang on the first date by doing the things talked about on here for overcoming LMR. But then I am not getting the 2nd bang. The pattern is. Go on the date. I build lots of comfort, conversation, laughing, touching, the shit tests have been minor. I will admit that my nature is good hear-ted and not such a dark triad, but I temper that with being sexually aggressive, talking about sex and lots of touching and very direct deep eye contact.

I can see the chick getting into me. Escalate, qualifying, bounce to second location, start the kissing and the chick getting more excited, i work through LMR. Get bang. Finish date, with some talking and a little cuddling. Then take them to their car or home. We talk about meeting the following week. At this point they seem really into me. Actually making specific plans on when and where to meet. I do the followup text after they get home telling them I had a good time. Nothing too clingy or needy. They will enthusiastically respond.

May even text with them the next day. Then after that, radio silence. I am not sure what is up. I have told myself some chicks are just going to not work out and chalk it up to numbers.

Any ideas? Or am I just over thinking this?

First date bangs will always be less likely to result in follow up dates because the girl will always feel like a slut the next day. Less of an issue if you hit it right though, if you don't fuck rough and dominant with a girl whose putting out on the first date you're shooting yourself in the foot big time if you want to tap that again.

Post: #44

means nothing if you dont close. lol

Post: #45

And every time you blow a load in her face, that angel bursts into flames

Post: #46

http://nautil.us/issue/16/nothingness/my...othingness

“Nothing will come of nothing.”
(William Shakespeare, King Lear)

“Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity
in which he is engulfed.”
(Blaise Pascal, Pensées, The Misery of Man Without God)

Post: #47

To me getting numbers, snogs and texting after means nothing. It used to but I learned that its just part and parcel of a woman getting some validation.

I don't now how many men she is talking to and in what way and I am always conscious of this so I am lacklustre in pursuing beyond a certain point.

No sex straight away when I connect really well has led to very few closes. I just ignore any attempts at exchanging numbers. It freed me in a certain way, like I stopped caring.