Post: #26

(10-09-2014 03:17 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 09:30 AM)Deluge Wrote:  Kissing at the bar makes them less likely to come back to your place, for the very reasons Tuth described in his recipe, it triggers anti-slut defense. If you haven't kissed them yet she can more easily rationalize that she's not just going back to your place to fuck. Experiment with both and you'll realize just how stark the difference is. I don't know anyone whose tried out Tuth's method and then gone back to kissing at the venue.

I have tried both ways, and kissing works much better for me than not kissing, and my first date fuck close rate is good- 30-40% last few years.

The difference may be though, that I never invite girls to my place on the first date, or usually, ever. I want them to invite me to theirs.

That is a psychologically different situation entirely. Risk of ASD is much lower because I am not trying to push them into anything; I am using my game skills to make her start thinking of ways she can get alone with me.

But women are more passive in nature, so I can't just sit and talk and expect her to take action. I have to get her in a physiologically heightened and sexually aroused state that gives her the drive to want to resolve it. She has to feel a high degree of urgency to get penetrated (at least subconsciously) to invite a man she doesn't know to her home.

Without this state of urgency, she will be in the "maybe on the second date" mode, so not kissing doesn't work for me.

@MrXY I really respect your knowledge and experience, would you be willing to break down your first date routine (if you haven't already) and how you get women to invite you home in maybe a separate post? I've been on more first dates than I could ever count, most from online, and I can only recall two women who ever invited me back to their places on the first date. I would love to be able to take my game to that level consistently.

Post: #27

I discussed my techniques here /thread-40601-...#pid835617

Inner Game is critical for pulling this off regularly; you have to be aloof. I don't mean uninterested in her, I mean giving off the vibe that if she doesn't fuck you quickly you have a line of other girls waiting for it. If she senses you're needy and really into her, she will figure she can wait for a second or third date to put out. You want her wondering if there will even be a second date if she doesn't give up the pussy. You want her on the defensive and uncertain about where she stands with you. This makes her want to work to win you over.


Not that you say any of this explicitly of course; it's all in your attitude.

Post: #28

(10-09-2014 09:30 AM)Deluge Wrote:  Kissing at the bar makes them less likely to come back to your place, for the very reasons Tuth described in his recipe, it triggers anti-slut defense.

Agreed strongly.

I'm not sure if it was Love Systems, but I read a good article about being careful and aware of a girls 'buying temperature'. Meaning you need to be careful about raising a girls buying temp too high because you have nowhere but to go back down and thats when they rationalize and anti-slut defensive is through the roof. For example if you escalate heavy in a place where you can't logistically have sex for an hour, then you are forced to bring her temp back down and many times that can be bad.

A real life example was a friend of mine who was a natural that got a lot of girls. I literally never saw this guy kiss a girl in a venue when picking them up. Never in all the years I knew him. Yet the fucking guy many times had no issue getting a girl to come back to his place. Trust me he never read any books on game but it was just a natural thing for him. It logically didn't make sense that he needed to be making out with these girls like some anxious high school kid. Just confident and cool as hell. I couldn't picture James Bond trying to finger a girl in a club or tongue her down. He would just assume they were coming back to his spot or he would just show up at their room. *awaits for someone to inform me James Bond isn't real*

Post: #29

I've never been able to discern a clear correlation. It seems you have to calibrate the pacing of escalation depending on your objective- if shooting for the SNL/f-buddy or if she's a LTR prospect.

Often 'date make-outs' have lead to:
SNLs/repeat offenders.
I've even experienced no bang but a second meet.
Sometimes the girl isn't into it/I've scared the cat, and/or I never get her out again.

I just remain bold and initiate the physicality when I feel the time is right.

Post: #30

i only read the first post... but why is these even a thread? this is something we all know and try to accomplish its one of the main objectives of gaming a girl.... the way i see this is like you're asking us
is making out a good move? like HUH?

Post: #31

or DID U MEAN what if "WE ONLY MAKE OUT AND DONT FUCK" u should re phrase son


honestly tho, if ur tongue is down her mouth.... im pretty sure you have a better chance than nothing.

Post: #32

(10-10-2014 02:37 PM)MrXY Wrote:  I discussed my techniques here /thread-40601-...#pid835617

Not that you say any of this explicitly of course; it's all in your attitude.

Thank you sir! Excellent read.