Post: #76

(10-05-2014 09:50 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  Roosh, if it's possible, I would second the suggestion above to have some sort of variation on the rep point system.

One numerical ranking for meet ups (so you can see if a guy has met 1 forum member or dozens) and a separate rep for their general contributions like we currently do.

Or..stop giving rep for everything under the son
Give rep for valid data and or meeting the person..not for things like, posting a bunch of pictures during fappening
Quite a few of us on the forum have met each other, there also a thread for users that have met.
Mike cf already said this already, but if someone is suspect based on their online persona..don't meet them

Post: #77

I can see the point of the corruption and laziness ratings, but wen Germany caused the deaths of something like 20 Million people about 70 years ago, isn't that SOME form of corruption, far worse than cheating on taxes, taking bribes etc.

Post: #78

Greeks are big on P4P. In most Bulgarian border towns, there are brothels set up specifically for the Greek drive-over visitors.

So what about the so-called "shoring", which many people here actively advocate and are not banned? I personally find this even less honorable than plain whoremongering - if I were gonna fuck a poor third-world whore I'd rather give her the miserable $20 than try to cheat her of it just so I can scratch my ego that "she liked me".

Post: #79

(10-05-2014 10:35 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  I think I met GK back in 2002 in a bar called 111. I mentioned it to him once and he clammed up. He was sitting with a hot girl who was a well known scammer of foreigners. I think it was him because there were NO other Greeks present.

That being said, his experience with useful/useless conversation with Slavs were priceless.

Meeting with RVFers before RVF, that's very inception-esque.

Post: #80

(10-06-2014 01:19 AM)K-man Wrote:  Greeks are big on P4P. In most Bulgarian border towns, there are brothels set up specifically for the Greek drive-over visitors.

So what about the so-called "shoring", which many people here actively advocate and are not banned? I personally find this even less honorable than plain whoremongering - if I were gonna fuck a poor third-world whore I'd rather give her the miserable $20 than try to cheat her of it just so I can scratch my ego that "she liked me".

Shoring is when a whore likes you so much she doesn't charge you.

It has nothing to do with cheating someone out of money.

However there are some guys that think it's cool to rip them off and claim "but i told you I don't pay".

This is a quasi grey area when I question just how clear they actually made this.

The guys who rip these girls off are complete pieces of shit. And that is NOT shoring.

Post: #81

I always check "Details" when it comes to rep points and whether to meet up.

I give no credit for forum postings, only the vouching of other members who have hung out with the poster already.

Post: #82

(10-06-2014 01:49 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:35 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  I think I met GK back in 2002 in a bar called 111. I mentioned it to him once and he clammed up. He was sitting with a hot girl who was a well known scammer of foreigners. I think it was him because there were NO other Greeks present.

That being said, his experience with useful/useless conversation with Slavs were priceless.

Meeting with RVFers before RVF, that's very inception-esque.

The only guy on here who I might have met before the forum was TheCaptainPower. I'm really not sure if I ever met him and if I did, it may have been many years ago.

Post: #83

K-Man, who on the forum advocates that?

Post: #84

(10-06-2014 01:19 AM)K-man Wrote:  Greeks are big on P4P. In most Bulgarian border towns, there are brothels set up specifically for the Greek drive-over visitors.

So what about the so-called "shoring", which many people here actively advocate and are not banned? I personally find this even less honorable than plain whoremongering - if I were gonna fuck a poor third-world whore I'd rather give her the miserable $20 than try to cheat her of it just so I can scratch my ego that "she liked me".

Generalize much? Where do you come off claiming Greeks are big on P4P? That's akin to asserting that all Australians, Americans, Brits, et al, are big on P4P just because some of them screw hookers in Thailand. Get a grip.

Post: #85

Re: shoring - can't drop names, but there are a lot of threads about it and a lot of guys go "wow, how cool it is to do that".
By "cheating her of her money" I meant wasting her night gaming/banging her when she could have spent it earning money that she likely needs to support herself or her family. And how could you know if she really did it because "she liked you so much she gave it for free" or she was hoping you'd still at least tip her or give her a present for the good times she showed you?
Anyway, I can't preach as I've also been known to visit whores a few times but that's just for getting off and when options for gaming were not available. I wouldn't do what Greek Kamaki did - solicit normal girls. Besides creepy and cock-blocking, that would be also simply unproductive.

Post: #86

(10-06-2014 01:19 AM)K-man Wrote:  Greeks are big on P4P. In most Bulgarian border towns, there are brothels set up specifically for the Greek drive-over visitors.

So what about the so-called "shoring", which many people here actively advocate and are not banned? I personally find this even less honorable than plain whoremongering - if I were gonna fuck a poor third-world whore I'd rather give her the miserable $20 than try to cheat her of it just so I can scratch my ego that "she liked me".

(10-06-2014 02:39 AM)K-man Wrote:  Re: shoring - can't drop names, but there are a lot of threads about it and a lot of guys go "wow, how cool it is to do that".
By "cheating her of her money" I meant wasting her night gaming/banging her when she could have spent it earning money that she likely needs to support herself or her family. And how could you know if she really did it because "she liked you so much she gave it for free" or she was hoping you'd still at least tip her or give her a present for the good times she showed you?
Anyway, I can't preach as I've also been known to visit whores a few times but that's just for getting off and when options for gaming were not available. I wouldn't do what Greek Kamaki did - solicit normal girls. Besides creepy and cock-blocking, that would be also simply unproductive.

(Note: This is not in response to the thread, as i haven't followed this conversation, but just the quoted posts.)

There are also some of us who are honest about experiences that typically happened when we were hammered, including shoring - that's not the same as advocating something.

The forum is a place to exchange information and tips, yeah, but many threads have also just become a place to share crazy, funny stories - much like you'd do sitting around a pub with your buddies. Some of you guys seem to lack the social intelligence to realize that what goes on in these instances is not an info drop but just guys having fun and shooting the shit.

If you tell your buddy a story at the pub about some hooker who begged you to fuck her in Thailand while you were dancing at some club and you were drunk so you obliged, is he going to think you're advocating it as a player practice? Of course not - he knows you're telling a story about a wild time you had in Thailand. Guys do this, guys have always done this, and guys will continue to do this. Some of us just so happen to have covered a lot more ground, slept a lot less, and have a lot more stories than others.

As far as the ego thing, it's not really about that for guys who've shored a lot. Often it's more about you'd rather a woman actually to desire you if you're going to have sex, and for many that's a matter of principle. And that you don't feel like supporting a practice like prostitution. That makes you a bad guy?

If you're going out every single night in a tourist area in southeast asia, a lot of whores are going to throw themselves at you. Many are off work already, and others are freelancing, which gives them a choice of doing what they want with their time. Not only do guys from this forum sometimes hook up with them, but almost every backpacker or tourist who has hit up a tourist bar in Thailand and happened to bring a piece of ass back to his room has most likely done a version of "shoring" or at least banged a broad that's been paid for her pussy at some time or another.

Normal girls in these places don't typically prowl tourist bars and hop right into bed with a white guy. I can't tell you how many guys have told me their story about the girl they met in place where pros hang out who happened to be the one single girl that wasn't there working (she also always happens to be an "8" or higher, while all the other girls were, coincidentally, 6s).

These guys shored, whether they knew it or not. Some of us are more aware of what really goes on and/or more honest about it. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't confuse people telling the truth about drunken debauchery as bragging or advocating. Sometimes it's honesty and to have a laugh.

Finally, as far as cheating whores out of $20, how is it cheating her out of it if you go out to have some beers in the same place everyone else goes out and some whore takes a liking to you and you tell her multiple times you don't pay and she says don't worry about it? Bad decision, sure, but that's not cheating her out of anything.

You have to realize that these sluts, many of whom are in the business because they enjoy the lifestyle and money rather than because they have no other options, get tired of banging old guys and clowns all the time. They see a guy that actually turns them on for once and are attracted to him, they already have some dough in their pocket, and so they just do what they want to do instead of going home with some guy for a paycheck. They may be whores, but they are young women who just want to have some fun as well.

Then you get the girls who go home with guys and then flip a script after sex and ask for money. I suppose a guy like you advocates "giving her a tip," as you implied. Great, so now you just encouraged this hooker that this is an acceptable practice. To hook up with men who aren't customers and then extort them? Sorry, but that's a scam anywhere in the world, and you're more of the problem than guys who shore if you truly believe that's an acceptable practice to support with your "tip."

Are shores a desirable place to focus your energy (assuming you're in Southeast Asia, where the topic most often comes up)? Maybe if you're in town for a few days because, again, you're probably doing it anyways without even realizing it. But certainly not if you live in these places - there are much more premium, more desirable options. If you're an alkie, you'll probably end up doing it a lot anyways because that's just how the nights unfold.

But personally, I have more respect for a guy who laughs off a shore and tells a good story than I do for some idiot who lies about or is clueless about the fact that he was doing the same exact thing. Because I've seen my share of that nonsense in my time here on the forum as well. Give me a real picture of the scene over hype any day of the week.

As for guys who haven't even been to the region, try putting your feet on the ground for a couple weeks before you act too high and mighty. We'll see how you fare.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #87

It appears Greek Kamaki has long been known as a whoremonger, so he was quite out of place on the forum, it seems that he was kept around for entertainment purposes.

I think if I was in the same position as Roosh I would have just reiterated that he was not my friend, and then verbally abuse Kamaki in plain view, so to be the hero.

Kamaki obviously had a sense of guilt, you can see his ass kissing to Roosh in his last Poland Thread posts - quite pathetic

Post: #88

Being of Eastern European descent myself, I see myself absolutely obliterated in this thread as I feel a strong connection to my roots. Not me personaly, but the group of people I feel somewhat connected to.

I simply cannot identify with the sort of guys that are described in this thread.

I've had wings fuck things up for me in the past. Know what I did? Cut off the wing and move on to the next girl.

There's no way I could redeem a whole group of people by myself. But if there is a way that I could show you not all EE guys are the same, I would at least try...

Post: #89

(10-05-2014 10:22 PM)Atticus Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 02:43 PM)Garzero Wrote:  I'm 100% sure GK tried to sabotage Roosh.
First because I consider him too intelligent to ignore what he was actually doing. Second because, ehm, I shouldn't say that, but you guys know what's the most common stereotype about greek people? (answer: traitor). If a stereotype exists, there must be a reason.

No, I don't think there is such a stereotype. Your post says more about you than it does about Greek people.

Ask any greek guy what's the main trait of greek men behaviour and they will say it is a "I don't give a fuck" attitude. Their words, not mine. That greek people are "traitors" is an old stereotype which may mean different things, one for sure is the one above. I imaine GK thinking: my behaviour will probably colckblocck Roosh, but I don't give a fuck.

Post: #90

(10-06-2014 01:07 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 09:50 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  Roosh, if it's possible, I would second the suggestion above to have some sort of variation on the rep point system.

One numerical ranking for meet ups (so you can see if a guy has met 1 forum member or dozens) and a separate rep for their general contributions like we currently do.

Or..stop giving rep for everything under the son
Give rep for valid data and or meeting the person..not for things like, posting a bunch of pictures during fappening
Quite a few of us on the forum have met each other, there also a thread for users that have met.
Mike cf already said this already, but if someone is suspect based on their online persona..don't meet them

Rep points aren't necessarily a good indicator of how cool a guy is in real life. I have found however that my impressions of members personalities from reading enough of their posts, for better or worse line up with how they are in real life. It's easy to lie (or lie by omission) about how many girls you bang on the internet, but it's a lot harder to fake a personality. I can assure RVF that Rosca is just as hilarious and zany off the forum as he is on it, and Sourcecode just as narcissistic On the other hand, I have no doubt people who seem lame are just as lame in real life.

I've yet to have a bad experience from meeting an RVF member, but a while back I came very close. A newbie in my city PM'd me to meet, this guy had made some odd posts about height insecurities, but I agreed to meet him anyway and gave him my number. Thankfully before I went through with it though a couple of my wingmen recognized him from his username, the guy was well known in the local pickup community here a mentally ill incel. That close call put me straight. He ended up getting banned from RVF a couple months later.

Every time I mention where I live I seem to get a newbie asking to meet me. This is all well and good, but I reserve the right to refuse to meet any member who seems lame or gives me a bad feeling. When I meet newbie members I literally go through and read every single one of their posts, and try to bring another wingman along. One can never be too careful.

Post: #91

(10-06-2014 02:39 AM)K-man Wrote:  Re: shoring - can't drop names, but there are a lot of threads about it and a lot of guys go "wow, how cool it is to do that".
By "cheating her of her money" I meant wasting her night gaming/banging her when she could have spent it earning money that she likely needs to support herself or her family. And how could you know if she really did it because "she liked you so much she gave it for free" or she was hoping you'd still at least tip her or give her a present for the good times she showed you?
Anyway, I can't preach as I've also been known to visit whores a few times but that's just for getting off and when options for gaming were not available. I wouldn't do what Greek Kamaki did - solicit normal girls. Besides creepy and cock-blocking, that would be also simply unproductive.

White Knight much?

"Wasting her night"?

Whores know better than you what they are doing. You make it sound like they are innocent angels forced to make ends meet by selling their bodies.

I've had girls that are so happy to be with me rather than be paid by some ugly old sexpat.

There were also girls that knew exactly what I was saying but also had the intention of trying to make things uncomfortable to extort money afterwards.

I have no sympathy for them and wouldn't budge (except once where it was necessary).

Cambodia on the other hand is a different story. I always made the agreement I don't pay for sex and the next morning also always gave between 10 and 20 bucks, whatever I had in that neighborhood and all were grateful.

I will also not name names but not giving a girl a dime for cab fair or a few bucks in Cambodia makes you a piece of shit imo.

Not paying there is shameful as it REALLY does mean someone could be going hungry.

I don't recommend the practice of shoring but your white knighting tone is annoying.

edit - if you're too poor to treat people decently then you shouldn't be traveling.

Post: #92

^ I don't agree with this completely. Cambodia is pretty bad in this department, and I've had way more bad experiences with women changing their story in the morning than I did in Thailand. There were quite a few times before I stopped shoring completely that I said fuck it and forked out the cash to avoid a scene.

But I've also brought girls home and had them take me out for breakfast in the morning. Or turn down money for a cab. Or just jump up and bomb out the door without a word, sometimes asking for a phone number and sometimes not.

One girl I pulled from a obvious hooker bar was driving a brand new, souped-up pickup truck. A very nice rig indeed. In the morning, she woke up and got on the phone with her boyfriend or husband who was in another country. Yet she was still going to hooker bars to get laid and probably working the scene for extra cash.

I've had KTV girls buy me gifts and take me out to fancy restaurants. Many of these KTV girls live a Western-sized lifestyle, and two hundred to three hundred in a night at a nice KTV, even if they don't fuck, is not out of the question. The rich guys will spend thousands on these broads.

Not everyone is broke here. Not even all the working girls.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #93

(10-06-2014 04:32 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  ^ I don't agree with this completely. Cambodia is pretty bad in this department, and I've had way more bad experiences with women changing their story in the morning than I did in Thailand. There were quite a few times before I stopped shoring completely that I said fuck it and forked out the cash to avoid a scene.

But I've also brought girls home and had them take me out for breakfast in the morning. Or turn down money for a cab. Or just jump up and bomb out the door without a word, sometimes asking for a phone number and sometimes not.

One girl I pulled from a obvious hooker bar was driving a brand new, souped-up pickup truck. A very nice rig indeed. In the morning, she woke up and got on the phone with her boyfriend or husband who was in another country. Yet she was still going to hooker bars to get laid and probably working the scene for extra cash.

I've had KTV girls buy me gifts and take me out to fancy restaurants. Many of these KTV girls live a Western-sized lifestyle.

Not everyone is broke here. Not even all the working girls.

I was speaking in generalities, you know your experiences are not normal BB.

Not for Kman anyway haha.

Post: #94

(10-06-2014 04:07 AM)Garzero Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:22 PM)Atticus Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 02:43 PM)Garzero Wrote:  I'm 100% sure GK tried to sabotage Roosh.
First because I consider him too intelligent to ignore what he was actually doing. Second because, ehm, I shouldn't say that, but you guys know what's the most common stereotype about greek people? (answer: traitor). If a stereotype exists, there must be a reason.

No, I don't think there is such a stereotype. Your post says more about you than it does about Greek people.

Ask any greek guy what's the main trait of greek men behaviour and they will say it is a "I don't give a fuck" attitude. Their words, not mine. That greek people are "traitors" is an old stereotype which may mean different things, one for sure is the one above. I imaine GK thinking: my behaviour will probably colckblocck Roosh, but I don't give a fuck.

Are you seriously equating an "I don't give a fuck" attitude with the behavior of a traitor? Now you are just dissembling, and you know it. Hence, your ridiculous assertion that it is " an old stereotype which may mean different things". To justify your ill conceived and vile attack on Greeks you are now claiming that the stereotype can mean whatever you want it to mean. What happened brah, did a Greek f*ck your missus? I've wasted enough time on you. I have no intention of responding to any more of your posts on this matter.

Post: #95

Shoring is a bit of a grey area - I don't can't mention it for other countries but for Thailand a lot of working girls (esp the younger newer ones) won't ask for money because they are just too shy and they expect you too pay them. When you go to certain clubs which are 100% P4P, they expect that you know the score. When guy don't pay, they don't want to lose face and that's why sometime they ask for you "taxi money" which is code for pay me please. I have friends who have come to Bangkok on holiday and slept with obvious bar girls and never paid. Whether they really did like them or not I don't know, there's a big grey to shoring which is prob best for another thread.

I have lived in Thailand a long time and I can spot a working girl a mile off, and I just stay away, esp from all the negative stories you here. Enough normal girls in a city of 12 million + for me not to even look at bar girls. Although I do find the industry interesting.

Post: #96

^ You're probably right that it's best for another thread, Afarang, but you guys keep failing to make a distinction between not mentioning it and refusing to pay and being straight upfront the night before and then not paying. Those are two very different scenarios, and as far as I've seen from posts on the forum, most guys here tell the girl ahead of time if they suspect she's a pro.

I think boxing that type of guy in with someone who just doesn't bring it up is a bit unfair. Again, maybe not the wisest decision either way, and I don't think anyone on the forum is advocating it as a game strategy, but you get the point.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #97

(10-06-2014 04:50 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  ^ You're probably right that it's best for another thread, Afarang, but you guys keep failing to make a distinction between not mentioning it and refusing to pay and being straight upfront the night before and then not paying. Those are two very different scenarios, and as far as I've seen from posts on the forum, most guys here tell the girl ahead of time if they suspect she's a pro.

I think boxing that type of guy in with someone who just doesn't bring it up is a bit unfair. Again, maybe not the wisest decision either way, but you get the point.

nope you're right. I agree.

Post: #98

(10-06-2014 04:40 AM)Atticus Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 04:07 AM)Garzero Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:22 PM)Atticus Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 02:43 PM)Garzero Wrote:  I'm 100% sure GK tried to sabotage Roosh.
First because I consider him too intelligent to ignore what he was actually doing. Second because, ehm, I shouldn't say that, but you guys know what's the most common stereotype about greek people? (answer: traitor). If a stereotype exists, there must be a reason.

No, I don't think there is such a stereotype. Your post says more about you than it does about Greek people.

Ask any greek guy what's the main trait of greek men behaviour and they will say it is a "I don't give a fuck" attitude. Their words, not mine. That greek people are "traitors" is an old stereotype which may mean different things, one for sure is the one above. I imaine GK thinking: my behaviour will probably colckblocck Roosh, but I don't give a fuck.

Are you seriously equating an "I don't give a fuck" attitude with the behavior of a traitor? Now you are just dissembling, and you know it. Hence, your ridiculous assertion that it is " an old stereotype which may mean different things". To justify your ill conceived and vile attack on Greeks you are now claiming that the stereotype can mean whatever you want it to mean. What happened brah, did a Greek f*ck your missus? I've wasted enough time on you. I have no intention of responding to any more of your posts on this matter.

Man, I don't wanna start a flame, but since you sound a bit aggressive I wanna reply. I come from one of the oldest and most corrupted and fucked-up culture in Europe, at a point that nobody with some brain here thinks there's a healing in sight. Greece's situation is quite similar to our, only difference they have a still worse economical crisis than ours due to lower industrial development and weaker exports.
In the back of our brain, we already saw everything. Greeks invented civilization, we brought it abroad.
I guess I know something more than you about greek people. I'd like to know what do YOU know about them. It's easy to talk when you come from a country which has 300 years of history and is in development, where finding a job is easy like snapping fingers.
I know many greek guys, and I always got along with them. Never had any problem. I have high esteem of their intelligence and carachter. But I generally don't trust them. They say these things themself, and they are well aware of their carachter. They say: our people already did everything, we invented so many things. We don't owe anything to nobody. In Greece, nobody allows anybody to think he is better than someone. One sentence they often say is: "who do you think you are? You have one father like me."
Traitor means they think they don't owe you a thing.
My imagination brought me to think that GK went out with Roosh and at one point he thought: I don't owe a thing to this guy, so why shouldn't I use my usual game for fear of cockblocking him?
If you wanna think I have prejudice against some particular race, think it. It's not like that, but I travelled enough to state that often behind stereotypes there's something you can learn about behaviour and culture of people.
Also, at this point I'd like to know why you didn't say a word to Roosh when he stated he will stop meeting guys who are non-western. You shit your pants with him, but feel entitled to be arrogant with me.

Post: #99

Interesting observation by Roosh that he has a hard time making friends with locals in EE. I'm actually on the other side of the boat. I'm EE by origin and can't connect for shit with locals in North America. The only friends I have here are Russian-speaking. There's a huge mentality disconnect, I find.

Post: #100

Let's not derail this thread and keep it to Greek Kamaki or meetup related stuff.