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(10-09-2014 12:39 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(10-01-2014 01:16 AM)Mage Wrote:  The OP pic is the best.

Masculinity as search for truth in darkness, the power to recognize objective truths and overcome subjective hamster bullshit is a very accurate picture.

Brutal animalistic power like in most other pics is only a superficial understanding of masculinity. A man is a man because he can somewhat transcend the animalistical nature that all animals and even human females are slaves of. He does so trough selfless study, knowledge and wisdom acquired from other great men.

Here is another good pic, that also shows that besides search for truth and wisdom, masculinity is also about respect and honor - great men learning from another great men:

I disagree.

Not only are the OP's pic and the toga pic not clear examples of masculinity, but regarding the bolded text, I'll suggest that the hamstering here may be in your post.

Every one of those guys in the paintings could be a beta or effeminate.

That lion is NOT a beta or effeminate.

I'll posit that it is you who does not understand what masculinity is.

As an example, an illiterate man who has never left his hometown and works a blue collar job can be a paragon of masculinity.

You are not grasping this in your attempt to elevate the intellectual part of man over the masculine part of man.

The two are distinct, and they are separate.

You're right, the intellectual part is what makes us "man," or "mankind," if you will, but it is NOT what makes us masculine.

Masculinity came before higher level learning, NOT the other way around, as you posit, and this is key. Not only that, masculinity also comes before wisdom. A young man with no wisdom and no education can most definitely still be extremely masculine.

In game forums, this hamster-ism is very common, it seems it's a way to attempt to imply, for example, that a man that has read a lot or is very wise/worldly is more masculine than a man with a deep tone of voice, good height, broad shoulders, and who is looked at as the natural leader of his group by men and as a sex object by women.

This is simply not the case.

Without diminishing the value of being worldly, I'll posit that being worldly/wise and being masculine are NOT the same thing.

Masculinity is primeval, it is instinctual, it requires no wisdom, and no civilization, it only requires a pair of brass balls.

Masculinity is not a force for good or evil, it's a force of nature.

Physicality/capacity for violence is at the core of masculinity. All the knowledge/wisdom in the world doesn't mean shit if you can't stop some brute from ripping your spine out and nailing your wife next to your bleeding-out corpse.

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(10-20-2014 11:23 AM)nek Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:39 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(10-01-2014 01:16 AM)Mage Wrote:  The OP pic is the best.

Masculinity as search for truth in darkness, the power to recognize objective truths and overcome subjective hamster bullshit is a very accurate picture.

Brutal animalistic power like in most other pics is only a superficial understanding of masculinity. A man is a man because he can somewhat transcend the animalistical nature that all animals and even human females are slaves of. He does so trough selfless study, knowledge and wisdom acquired from other great men.

Here is another good pic, that also shows that besides search for truth and wisdom, masculinity is also about respect and honor - great men learning from another great men:

I disagree.

Not only are the OP's pic and the toga pic not clear examples of masculinity, but regarding the bolded text, I'll suggest that the hamstering here may be in your post.

Every one of those guys in the paintings could be a beta or effeminate.

That lion is NOT a beta or effeminate.

I'll posit that it is you who does not understand what masculinity is.

As an example, an illiterate man who has never left his hometown and works a blue collar job can be a paragon of masculinity.

You are not grasping this in your attempt to elevate the intellectual part of man over the masculine part of man.

The two are distinct, and they are separate.

You're right, the intellectual part is what makes us "man," or "mankind," if you will, but it is NOT what makes us masculine.

Masculinity came before higher level learning, NOT the other way around, as you posit, and this is key. Not only that, masculinity also comes before wisdom. A young man with no wisdom and no education can most definitely still be extremely masculine.

In game forums, this hamster-ism is very common, it seems it's a way to attempt to imply, for example, that a man that has read a lot or is very wise/worldly is more masculine than a man with a deep tone of voice, good height, broad shoulders, and who is looked at as the natural leader of his group by men and as a sex object by women.

This is simply not the case.

Without diminishing the value of being worldly, I'll posit that being worldly/wise and being masculine are NOT the same thing.

Masculinity is primeval, it is instinctual, it requires no wisdom, and no civilization, it only requires a pair of brass balls.

Masculinity is not a force for good or evil, it's a force of nature.

Physicality/capacity for violence is at the core of masculinity. All the knowledge/wisdom in the world doesn't mean shit if you can't stop some brute from ripping your spine out and nailing your wife next to your bleeding-out corpse.

Nah, force and violence without reason just produces desperate white knights and toy soldiers - stupid animalistic dumb frustrated males killing each other for the fun to females who get thrills from all this drama.

Masculinity equals physical strength in animal level only. In human level this must be governed by reason that elevates human males (in short - men) as the pinnacle of creation ond ruler of the world.

Without reason and with mere strength a man is easily manipulated by the female trough instincts of reproduction . Therefore it is the reason that allows us to lift us above our animalistic instincts that is the most masculine quality.

Since we all are animals, physical strength is important too. But to those of us who are also Men - we know that reason is more important.

Post: #54

tarquin


That is a great pic and reminds me of the Nietche:

"Man is a rope stretched between the animal and the Superman--a rope over an abyss"

Truer words have never been spoken.

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Googling the term "masculinity" is a joke in terms of what the search results are but here is a good one.

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Christ on the cross.

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