Post: #1

I want to tell you a story about this young virgin girl: Mary (her real name BTW). Mary is a great girl in just about every way except sexually. Since she was inexperienced I figured she just need some training. With some training she would become this great lover and I would then have my perfect girl. So I set about training Mary. It was a lot of work but I was looking forward to the reward and indeed Mary got better. She also improved in a lot of other ways too. But Mary never became that passionate sexual creature of my fantasy. She never looked at me with raw desire in her eyes. Instead, her looks where filled with love and affection. I finally came to the realization that it didn't matter how much I trained Mary she was never going to be a wild, passionate animal in bed. For the simple reason that she had no desire to be that way and never did. Mary had learned what she did and became better because of her desire to please me NOT from a desire for hot sex. Mary ability to change is limited by her desire. And so it is with all of us, including myself.

I will never be a Roosh, Krauser, or Jabba. Not because I lack the skill but because I lack the desire to sleep with a lot of women. I am quite happy with one or two girls. If Mary was more sexually passionate she would be able to fulfill all of my needs. I also will never be a millionaire. Again not because I lack the skill to be one but because I lack the desire. I wouldn't know what to do with a million dollars even if someone gave it to me. I am a pretty simple person with minimal needs. I don't need a lot of money so I don't have much desire to acquire a lot of it. And its the same with women.

Now here is the interesting part: while we can improve our skills almost infinitely it's much more difficult, if not impossible, to increase our desires. Our desires are intimately tied into our personality and who we are on a core level. While Mary has a desire to please me she doesn't have that raw sexual desire to have wild sex with me or anyone else and probably never will. I have tried to increase my desire for different things, including women, over the years and for the most part I have failed. So what I will achieve ultimately with Game, is for all intent and purposes, limited by my desire. To use an analogy that a lot of guys may understand better: Game is like your car and desire is the gas. You can be the fastest car in the world, a Ferrari of Game, but if you don't have the gas you are not going to get very far.

** And why do I think this is important enough to have it's own thread? Because I believe this is where most guys fail - including myself. They fail from a lack of real desire NOT a lack of game skills. Desire is what makes you approach a girl, it takes a strong desire to escalate sexually with a girl, and it takes raw desire to put up with all of the BS to finally have sex with her. How does that old saying goes: Where there's a will, there's a way.**

Post: #2

But why are you so sure that you cannot grow your desires if you want to? I think its just matter of how deep you go. Sure some guys have it natural to have high desire to want to have sex all the time and some guys have it natural to want it once a week. I believe that you are just a machine and can program yourself to whatever your hardware allows you to be. Why do you think you have less hardware then some other person. And when it comes to Mary, maybe its the lack of desire in you that limits the growth inside her?

Post: #3

Well, I am just speaking about my experience. Maybe you can and by all means you should try if you really have the desire to do so.

Post: #4

I don't believe the desire being too low in the average man. We have to control our desires because you can get done for harassment if you push too hard. You have to time it and yet maintain a cool air which is difficult to do unless you truly have a lot of lizards on standby and genuinely don't give a fcuk.

A lot of guys do have the desire and they end up looking thirsty which shoots themselves in the foot.

Again, speculations must ALWAYS be specific to the market you are in. South Florida is a terrible market to use this high end game philosophy. To win (or stay afloat) in South Florida, you have to floss like you got it and go hard THAT night. The flakiness doesn't allow you to ruminate and collect on what happened the night before unless you are truly Tony Montana and have castles made out of pure yayo.

Post: #5

Dang Nomad please leave Miami for a couple weeks.

Post: #6

(09-19-2014 05:10 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Dang Nomad please leave Miami for a couple weeks.

I agree. Come and spend a long weekend with me, you'll get to talk to some real lizards. I should be moving into a decent apartment unit, you will get to speak to real Americans. I am serious. I've spoken to Latin lizards here who lived in Miami and hate it. Miami will turn you into a lunatic. It's an extremely bad sample group to make any game philosophies over.

Post: #7

@moma I not saying to show the girl your desire like a hungry wolf - although I think you should as an in control, hungry wolf. But the desire needs to be there. It's very rare for me to see raw, sexual desire in a guy when I am out there.

Guys, I don't feel too bad about this. But I see this as the primary reason most people don't accomplish a lot of things in life. For example, how many of us know we should work out and get in shape but yet how many of us actually do this? I for one don't. I talk to lot of people about starting a business for example but the reality is very few people have to desire to do everything it takes to build a successful business. For most of them they just want to do what they like to do, like a hobby. They don't have the desire to succeed that will drive to them to do what they have to do to succeed. And I think this applies to getting women, sex, relationships, and everything else in life.

Ye, Miami is rough, but the way I look at it is that if I can succeed here I can succeed anywhere

Post: #8

(09-19-2014 05:24 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Ye, Miami is rough, but the way I look at it is that if I can succeed here I can succeed anywhere

Los Angeles is harder. For me, Mexico is also harder.

Post: #9

The US is tough in general but what is working in our favor is that the men are becoming more and more like women. So you can go somewhere and there is very little competition but the quality of the girls is also dropping so...

Post: #10

(09-19-2014 05:36 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  The US is tough in general but what is working in our favor is that the men are becoming more and more like women. So you can go somewhere and there is very little competition but the quality of the girls is also dropping so...

No, the US isn't tough. Some places is a piece of piss. Saying the US is tough is like saying Europe is tough. It's too big a place to generalise. You have to go to places where your looks and style works in your favour.

For me, where English is the first spoken language, it works in my favour.

Post: #11

(09-19-2014 05:34 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 05:24 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Ye, Miami is rough, but the way I look at it is that if I can succeed here I can succeed anywhere

Los Angeles is harder. For me, Mexico is also harder.

No, Los Angeles isn't harder. A forum member came down and me and Nomad went out and he couldn't believe how hard it was in Miami. He said it was easier in LA. I believe him cos he wasn't a dragon and if he could say that, i can only imagine..

Post: #12

What can be more accurately stated is that the quality of women in the US is tough. Sure, they are places that are better than others, like NYC. But what I want from women: femininity, sensuality, affection, and love are very difficult to find in an American woman. If you want quick, unemotional sex, (pretty much like being with hooker) then this is your country!

Post: #13

(09-19-2014 05:56 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 05:34 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 05:24 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Ye, Miami is rough, but the way I look at it is that if I can succeed here I can succeed anywhere

Los Angeles is harder. For me, Mexico is also harder.

No, Los Angeles isn't harder. A forum member came down and me and Nomad went out and he couldn't believe how hard it was in Miami. He said it was easier in LA. I believe him cos he wasn't a dragon and if he could say that, i can only imagine..

I've lived in Los Angeles and spent a ton of time in Miami. I'm one of only a few people on here who falls into that category. Miami is much easier. I really don't want to turn this into a Miami vs. Los Angeles thread but here's why:

1. Miami (at least on the beach) has much better logistics than Los Angeles.
2. Miami has much less competition. That's why you see so many mismatched couples.
3. Miami has more broke girls. Los Angeles has a fair amount too.
4. Miami has much more favorable closing times.
5. A very high percentage of the women you see on Miami Beach are tourists. Los Angeles has many too, but Miami Beach obviously has a much higher percentage.
6. Miami has a higher percentage of immigrants.

Post: #14

(09-19-2014 06:21 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 05:56 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 05:34 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 05:24 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Ye, Miami is rough, but the way I look at it is that if I can succeed here I can succeed anywhere

Los Angeles is harder. For me, Mexico is also harder.

No, Los Angeles isn't harder. A forum member came down and me and Nomad went out and he couldn't believe how hard it was in Miami. He said it was easier in LA. I believe him cos he wasn't a dragon and if he could say that, i can only imagine..

I've lived in Los Angeles and spent a ton of time in Miami. I'm one of only a few people on here who falls into that category. Miami is much easier. I really don't want to turn this into a Miami vs. Los Angeles thread but here's why:

1. Miami (at least on the beach) has much better logistics than Los Angeles.
2. Miami has much less competition. That's why you see so many mismatched couples.
3. Miami has more broke girls. Los Angeles has a fair amount too.
4. Miami has much more favorable closing times.
5. A very high percentage of the women you see on Miami Beach are tourists. Los Angeles has many too, but Miami Beach obviously has a much higher percentage.
6. Miami has a higher percentage of immigrants.

You cannot close the immigrants in Miami UNLESS you speak Spanish or have an exhorbitant bank wad. If not, they will require a lot of work.

If you are talking broke girls, that means you are leveraging money. If Miami is so easy and LA is so hard, how come the LA players hardly complain about getting fanny in LA?

Post: #15

(09-19-2014 06:25 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 06:21 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 05:56 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 05:34 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 05:24 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Ye, Miami is rough, but the way I look at it is that if I can succeed here I can succeed anywhere

Los Angeles is harder. For me, Mexico is also harder.

No, Los Angeles isn't harder. A forum member came down and me and Nomad went out and he couldn't believe how hard it was in Miami. He said it was easier in LA. I believe him cos he wasn't a dragon and if he could say that, i can only imagine..

I've lived in Los Angeles and spent a ton of time in Miami. I'm one of only a few people on here who falls into that category. Miami is much easier. I really don't want to turn this into a Miami vs. Los Angeles thread but here's why:

1. Miami (at least on the beach) has much better logistics than Los Angeles.
2. Miami has much less competition. That's why you see so many mismatched couples.
3. Miami has more broke girls. Los Angeles has a fair amount too.
4. Miami has much more favorable closing times.
5. A very high percentage of the women you see on Miami Beach are tourists. Los Angeles has many too, but Miami Beach obviously has a much higher percentage.
6. Miami has a higher percentage of immigrants.

You cannot close the immigrants in Miami UNLESS you speak Spanish or have an exhorbitant bank wad. If not, they will require a lot of work.

If you are talking broke girls, that means you are leveraging money. If Miami is so easy and LA is so hard, how come the LA players hardly complain about getting fanny in LA?

Spanish is a huge help everywhere in the United States. I personally think I would be homeless at this point if I either weren't fluent in English or fluent in Spanish. That's why on my Miami blueprint, I have always said, "Speak Spanish. Other languages are a plus." That being said, although Spanish is a big help in Miami, you could still close immigrants without it. I personally know guys who have.

I see the Los Angeles guys on here, most of whom seem to be pretty together and seem to do fairly well there, quite often state that it is difficult.

If you plan on being in both Miami or Los Angeles within the next year, I'm more than willing to have you observe me in each city for a few days or a week or something, putting in the same amount of effort in both cities, so that you can draw your own conclusions.

Post: #16

(09-19-2014 05:19 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 05:10 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Dang Nomad please leave Miami for a couple weeks.

I agree. Come and spend a long weekend with me, you'll get to talk to some real lizards. I should be moving into a decent apartment unit, you will get to speak to real Americans. I am serious. I've spoken to Latin lizards here who lived in Miami and hate it. Miami will turn you into a lunatic. It's an extremely bad sample group to make any game philosophies over.

Funny that DC, LA, and Toronto are the epicenters of a lot of thoughts on game.

WIA

Post: #17

"Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills." - Arthur Schopenhauer

Post: #18

(09-19-2014 05:24 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Ye, Miami is rough, but the way I look at it is that if I can succeed here I can succeed anywhere

Hell yeah.

It's easy to pack up and leave, but if everyone quit on everything that was hard, no one would be successful.

Post: #19

I love game talk from the reference point of a place like Miami.

Living here, it's like playing the Lakers every day.

You lose a lot, but when you win you feel like you really accomplished something.

Post: #20

Agreed. Desire is the fuel for success.

Post: #21

This is my greatest limitation: a lack of desire.

Post: #22

(10-10-2014 04:52 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  This is my greatest limitation: a lack of desire.

Find something else that files that desire. For me it's learning for the sake of learning.

Maybe keep that Mary girl around while you fulfill the things that are desirable to you. I bet you'll find that you'll end up being satisfied longer than just with hot sex.

Learn game, but when that desire to bang lots of women wanes focus on other endeavors. Keep the lessons you learned from the game close.

Post: #23

Thanks, right now, my strongest desire is to built some new kind of business. Women are really just a distraction and occasional entertainment.

Post: #24

(10-10-2014 05:45 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Women are really just a distraction.

That was the topic of my next thread.