Post: #1

I'm about to rush at my university. If anyone has tips on how to be perceived as 'cool' by other guys, it would be greatly appreciated.

What I have so far:
Dont talk so much
Keep it vague
no fidgeting

Post: #2

You might want to change your thread title......at first I thought "who at RVF would want to game other guys?"

Do it before the mods do, and slap you with a warning.

Post: #3

I think there is a thread on this already. The only reason to game other guys is to stop them from cock blocking when you are out on the pull.

For me, I would say join some kind of sports team (if you like any sports). Camaraderie in sports is powerful. I made a decent friend in Toronto without knowing anyone just from sports.

Post: #4

Most of the work is done in the years and months leading up to rush - being a cool guy, lifting weights, developing connects in the good frats and sororities, working on your charm.

For rush specifically,

• Show interest in the frat. Don't be overexcited, then you come off as a loser.
  
  Ask one or two good, interesting questions about the frat. This will help them remember you
  
  Don't talk about yourself too much unless asked
  
  Give each brother a chance to talk about himself, but let him talk about the subjects he wants to; don't probe him about shit he doesn't want to talk to.
  
  Don't suicide rush, but try subtly suggesting that their frat is at the top of your list, and be prepared to give them a reason or two why.
  
  Don't focus too much on one vice like drinking hard or smashing lots of ass. Show yourself as interested in the gamut of frat activities, but not hardcore on any single one of them. If the frat brothers do drugs sometimes, pretend you do too.
  
  Definitely don't say shit about hazing. Good frats haze, and if you even bring it up, you're a pussy and a snitch in their eyes.
  
  Drink when they do. If they drink hard, drink a little less than them to maintain your composure but still blend in. You don't want to be the guy who pissed himself during rush week.
  

It's sort of like talking to a potential employer about job opportunities. Show interest, don't be weird.

Often though, the best frats decide who's getting in long before rush.

Yeah, you should definitely change the title. Rushing frats is kind of a specific niche. 'Gaming other guys' alone is a terrible title.

Post: #5

It's not really gaming but rather quick male bonding when it really comes down to it.

Since you're rushing, you'll want to focus on the following (this is what I did when I rushed when I was in college):

* Have a few good and interesting stories to tell where you can engage your future brothers
* Tell a few jokes so you're not perceived as the totally serious guy (of course, don't over-do it to the point where you're seen as the clown who can't talk about anything without making a joke)
* Talk to women in the sororities; when it comes to being invited to fraternity/sorority gatherings, knowing how to talk to sorority gals will only help you

Post: #6

(09-07-2014 11:42 AM)HawkWrites Wrote:  It's not really gaming but rather quick male bonding when it really comes down to it.

Disagree, it's NOT quick male bonding. Men only bond quickly in desperate times. Trying to bond with other guys at rush is the wrong mentality, and will probably make you seem try hard. The brothers are not looking for a friend by the end of the week. They are saying, "do we think this guy will be a good fit for our frat?" The bonding comes through months of proximity, of being hazed and drinking together. Not during rush, unless the brothers are low value and desperate for cool guys to boost their reputation.

They're looking for reasons to eliminate you. Often, frats will take your picture, and then later run your picture on a projection screen for all the brothers to watch, and people will voice their opinions. Don't give them a reason to eliminate you, but also don't be a bore and a non-entity.

If freshman rush is in the fall, the coolest frats may not have already locked down their class yet.

Participate in their activities, don't sit anything out.

Post: #7

(09-07-2014 12:00 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:42 AM)HawkWrites Wrote:  It's not really gaming but rather quick male bonding when it really comes down to it.

Disagree, it's NOT quick male bonding. Men only bond quickly in desperate times. Trying to bond with other guys at rush is the wrong mentality, and will probably make you seem try hard. The brothers are not looking for a friend by the end of the week. They are saying, "do we think this guy will be a good fit for our frat?" The bonding comes through months of proximity, of being hazed and drinking together. Not during rush, unless the brothers are low value and desperate for cool guys to boost their reputation.

They're looking for reasons to eliminate you. Often, frats will take your picture, and then later run your picture on a projection screen for all the brothers to watch, and people will voice their opinions. Don't give them a reason to eliminate you, but also don't be a bore and a non-entity.

If freshman rush is in the fall, the coolest frats may not have already locked down their class yet.

Participate in their activities, don't sit anything out.

I disagree with that disagreement. They're looking at whether a certain person will gel with the group and therefore there needs to be some quick bonding that takes place in order to solidify someone as a potential member.

While they may be looking for a reason to disqualify a potential candidate they're more interested in finding people who would be a good fit. Generally they'll focus on the positives primarily and then DQ on the negatives; these can happen at the same time but there is always a bonding process that takes place beforehand when you're considered for a bid card.

Post: #8

I'm in a frat right now, LUL represent!! But I think Basil nailed it.


Its actually pretty easy to join, you just have to show that you are a cool guy. Its just like game where you have to show value to the frat. I never really was interested in frats my freshman year since I felt like I would have to kiss ass too much. It was different for me because one of the frat brothers came to me since I had him in so many classes my freshman year and I was cool with him. He invited me to the parties of our frat and I became memorable to not only him but all the brothers. The guy practically begged me to join and would give me information about it.

So as a senior member of our frat, I look for guys that show value to the frat, guys that are red-pill (thanks to this forum) and guys that show a general interest and are informed about the frat and its ideals. Also know your answers, I can't count the times many fresh high school cats come to us with their stories of "I got hammered with my buddies, drunk drove and threw up and passed out naked on the street" or "I banged 50 chicks my senior year in high school" I just shake my head when I hear this, and say "yeah man, that's cool" I once had a guy come up to me and told me he had a big penis.

Also show respect to the brothers, and when I mean show respect I'm talking about not being a troll, similar to what you see on the forum here when newbies come out guns blazing and are quickly banned for disrespecting senior members. I can't count the times I've seen cocky high school grads who think they are the shit and talk to us and try to outsmart the frat brothers. My advice, you're not the shit, I'm the shit, congratulations on completing teenage daycare, no one cares. Respect your elders.

Talk to everyone, and I mean everyone and get to know everyone in the house, the rush chair, the guy no one likes. That will go a long way in being memorable in the eyes of the brothers.

Most importantly have fun, if you play your cards right you will be in the 2% of population that is Greek.

Post: #9

I apologize for title. I meant for topic to be more broad but thanks for the specific advice pertaining to my situation.

48 Laws of power: http://cgt411.tech.purdue.edu/covey/48_l..._power.htm

Post: #10

i gain the respect of my peers by gaming hot girls.

For example, if i'm chilling in a group and a hot bitch with a fine ass passes by, while my peers are still ogling and praising her voluptuous form, i'll say something like: " Wanna see me get her number?"

Before they even get the chance to respond, I swoop to the said target, spit game and get her number....while they all stare at me in awe.

I'm a freshmen too and this has very recently worked in helping me get in the good books of a bunch of seniors

Post: #11

Game guys?

You'll need to increase your vocabulary to compliment with such terms like; thick, tight, hench and ripped.

With copious amounts of 'no homo'.

Post: #12

Just be social, talk to any and every guy.

Post: #13

Basil Ransom pretty much nailed it, he clearly knows what he's talking about. MidWest brings up good points as well.

The main thing you want to convey when rushing is the sense that you belong there, as if it was your destiny to rush that house, it was just a matter of you showing up. This means you appear interested but not overly excited or impressed. You don't want to come across as a try-hard who is making an effort to impress people. Don't try to act like you're the coolest guy in the room, but be confident and sociable. You want a nice mix of confidence (to show that you belong) and humility (recognizing that you would be coming in as a pledge and are willing to go through that process).

If there are hot girls present at the rush, it helps a great deal if you come across well with them. Do this by running a mix of confident nice guy and inoffensive cocky/funny game. Do not try to fuck or run direct game on any girls at a rush event. That's a quick way to accidentally hit on a brother's girlfriend and get shitlisted. The girls are there basically to vet the prospective pledges to filter out any who are either socially awkward with girls (no game) or too scummy (overly aggressive game that doesn't mesh well within the small Greek community).

One game trick you can use while rushing is flipping the script and getting the brother(s) you're speaking with to start qualifying their frat. You can do this by asking about what it's like to be a brother, what annual special events they hold, what sets them apart from other houses, what they think their reputation on campus is, and things like that. Note that I didn't say to ask them things like, "So do you have the coolest parties? Do you get the hottest chicks?" Those things should be obvious to you by reputation and visual evidence and go without saying. Having to ask about them marks you as being someone who doesn't quite fit in and who is more interested in taking rather than contributing value to the frat (it's sort of like walking into a job interview and fixating only on the salary rather than the job duties).

Ultimately, you just need to be confident and well-spoken while appearing socially well-adjusted and presentable. Rush is really a process to filter out the guys who have no business there, so you really just want to avoid fucking up rather than trying to make sure you come across as the most impressive guy there (which would probably backfire on you anyway). During rush, brothers are looking for red flags first and foremost. So it's better to be conservative in your approach. You want to come across well enough to be remembered rather than rolling the dice on trying to stand out from everyone else. Getting a bid just gets your foot in the door to start the pledge process, which if you are trying to join a good house will eliminate a lot of guys along the way who don't make the cut for a variety of reasons. A bid is a bid, and once you're in the pledge class you're all going to be dealing with the same shit. That's when you have an opportunity to set yourself apart.

Some more 'tactical' tips that may or may not apply today due to technology (i.e. Facebook wasn't a factor during my experience on both sides of a rush):

- Wear something that will help people remember you (ex: in my day when we'd have rush meetings we'd always be saying things like, "Was that the guy in the red polo? Was that the guy with the fancy belt buckle? Yeah? Oooh, ok yeah, that kid was cool."). This won't really apply if they take pictures of you as you come in or use Facebook.

- Get to the houses earlier rather than later. Don't be the first guy to walk in the door, but don't wait until the house is packed, either. Getting there early increases the likelihood that you will hit it off with one or more brothers, who can then help steer your bid through.

- Approach like crazy. Introduce yourself to everyone. Be fearless in this regard. Never let there be a moment where you are standing around by yourself feeling awkward.

- Some topics to avoid in conversation: video games, any of your personal weaknesses, game (or anything about learning to hit on women), drugs (even in houses with a drug presence, talking about that during rush is a no-no and makes you look untrustworthy or careless), excessive talk about partying (makes you look like a poser).

Basically, fraternities are a lot like women when it comes to gaming them: both are looking for naturals. Never let them see you sweat. Never show them your weaknesses, and never let them feel like you're trying to hard to impress them. Just show up confident and cool (with a dose of humility) and accept the inevitable bid you're due because you fit in with everyone else there.

Post: #14

(09-07-2014 01:14 PM)nigerian Wrote:  I apologize for title. I meant for topic to be more broad but thanks for the specific advice pertaining to my situation.

48 Laws of power: http://cgt411.tech.purdue.edu/covey/48_l..._power.htm

Exactly! Perfectly explains what I'm talking about.

Post: #15

Co-sign midwest and scorpion.

Contra Scorpion though, I would focus on having a few solid conversations several minutes long each instead of a mad dash around the house to meet everyone. If you can, identify which brothers are most compatible with you. Personally, I prefer longer one on one conversations instead of short, fleeting ones in group settings. May be a matter of taste though.

Overall, just to reiterate, imagine you're talking to a future employer. Show interest, be polite, and do your research. If a frat is all soccer players and you don't play soccers, it's probably best to ditch it.

And no matter how well you think you do, they could still eliminate you. So have a backup plan - like the bitch who is down to fuck when your date flakes.

Post: #16

(09-07-2014 06:43 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  Co-sign midwest and scorpion.

Contra Scorpion though, I would focus on having a few solid conversations several minutes long each instead of a mad dash around the house to meet everyone. If you can, identify which brothers are most compatible with you. Personally, I prefer longer one on one conversations instead of short, fleeting ones in group settings. May be a matter of taste though.

Yes, I agree on this point as well. I guess I wasn't clear when I said to approach like crazy and introduce yourself to everyone. I basically just meant to never be standing around by yourself, always be talking to someone. You definitely want to develop good rapport with a few guys, and it's better to have solid conversations with a handful of guys than to just talk briefly with everyone and not really make a strong impression with anyone. If you hit it off with a few brothers who really think you have potential they will make sure you meet the other guys who matter.

Post: #17

(09-07-2014 02:51 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Basil Ransom pretty much nailed it, he clearly knows what he's talking about. MidWest brings up good points as well.

The main thing you want to convey when rushing is the sense that you belong there, as if it was your destiny to rush that house, it was just a matter of you showing up. This means you appear interested but not overly excited or impressed. You don't want to come across as a try-hard who is making an effort to impress people. Don't try to act like you're the coolest guy in the room, but be confident and sociable. You want a nice mix of confidence (to show that you belong) and humility (recognizing that you would be coming in as a pledge and are willing to go through that process).

If there are hot girls present at the rush, it helps a great deal if you come across well with them. Do this by running a mix of confident nice guy and inoffensive cocky/funny game. Do not try to fuck or run direct game on any girls at a rush event. That's a quick way to accidentally hit on a brother's girlfriend and get shitlisted. The girls are there basically to vet the prospective pledges to filter out any who are either socially awkward with girls (no game) or too scummy (overly aggressive game that doesn't mesh well within the small Greek community).

One game trick you can use while rushing is flipping the script and getting the brother(s) you're speaking with to start qualifying their frat. You can do this by asking about what it's like to be a brother, what annual special events they hold, what sets them apart from other houses, what they think their reputation on campus is, and things like that. Note that I didn't say to ask them things like, "So do you have the coolest parties? Do you get the hottest chicks?" Those things should be obvious to you by reputation and visual evidence and go without saying. Having to ask about them marks you as being someone who doesn't quite fit in and who is more interested in taking rather than contributing value to the frat (it's sort of like walking into a job interview and fixating only on the salary rather than the job duties).

Ultimately, you just need to be confident and well-spoken while appearing socially well-adjusted and presentable. Rush is really a process to filter out the guys who have no business there, so you really just want to avoid fucking up rather than trying to make sure you come across as the most impressive guy there (which would probably backfire on you anyway). During rush, brothers are looking for red flags first and foremost. So it's better to be conservative in your approach. You want to come across well enough to be remembered rather than rolling the dice on trying to stand out from everyone else. Getting a bid just gets your foot in the door to start the pledge process, which if you are trying to join a good house will eliminate a lot of guys along the way who don't make the cut for a variety of reasons. A bid is a bid, and once you're in the pledge class you're all going to be dealing with the same shit. That's when you have an opportunity to set yourself apart.

Some more 'tactical' tips that may or may not apply today due to technology (i.e. Facebook wasn't a factor during my experience on both sides of a rush):

- Wear something that will help people remember you (ex: in my day when we'd have rush meetings we'd always be saying things like, "Was that the guy in the red polo? Was that the guy with the fancy belt buckle? Yeah? Oooh, ok yeah, that kid was cool."). This won't really apply if they take pictures of you as you come in or use Facebook.

- Get to the houses earlier rather than later. Don't be the first guy to walk in the door, but don't wait until the house is packed, either. Getting there early increases the likelihood that you will hit it off with one or more brothers, who can then help steer your bid through.

- Approach like crazy. Introduce yourself to everyone. Be fearless in this regard. Never let there be a moment where you are standing around by yourself feeling awkward.

- Some topics to avoid in conversation: video games, any of your personal weaknesses, game (or anything about learning to hit on women), drugs (even in houses with a drug presence, talking about that during rush is a no-no and makes you look untrustworthy or careless), excessive talk about partying (makes you look like a poser).

Basically, fraternities are a lot like women when it comes to gaming them: both are looking for naturals. Never let them see you sweat. Never show them your weaknesses, and never let them feel like you're trying to hard to impress them. Just show up confident and cool (with a dose of humility) and accept the inevitable bid you're due because you fit in with everyone else there.

I would give you more rep but I can't. Thanks for the advice.