Post: #51

This is a really interesting thread. I know quite a few men on here are a little on the older 40+ side and look at things a little differently. Such as you cannot game forever. At some point you have to slow down. A little. I have not heard from Ohio in a few days. I miss his literary style and sense of humor. Hopefully nothing bad happened in Kiev and that doctor he was supposed to date did not leave him in a bathtub full of ice water and one kidney lighter. lol

Anyway on the keeping a Ukrainian woman aweswome posts by Toni and Orson. Really gives me a lot of perspective. I am late to the game a bit older but look a lot younger. And have been told this by several much younger women that I gamed. I wonder if this have been covered in depth on here?

But on the marriage thing I can tell you from first hand experience. That I was in a really bad marriage totally beta and miserable and I was able to use marriage game to completely turn that around. Took about a year from the bottom to being the primary alpha in my household. Roissy talks about this extensively and how to maintain a marriage you have to display an ongoing game of soft dominance. Spinning plates, dread, limited communication, encouragement, leadership, very dominant sexual play.

I am living proof that it works at least on an attractive american wife. I went from almost never getting sex to getting whenever and wherever I want. And I get more blowjobs now without even asking than I did in previous years combined.

Dont know about Ukrainian women but I suspect it would if played correctly. I understand there are statistics that show that American men that marry foreign wives is about 80% success. If that is the case that would make this one of the most successful ways to get married in the western world. I would love to hear others take on how gaming Ukrainian women would work. And if anyone has ever been in a LTR with a really hot Ukrainian woman and made it work through game.

Post: #52

(09-04-2014 09:34 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  This is a really interesting thread. I know quite a few men on here are a little on the older 40+ side and look at things a little differently. Such as you cannot game forever. At some point you have to slow down. A little. I have not heard from Ohio in a few days. I miss his literary style and sense of humor. Hopefully nothing bad happened in Kiev and that doctor he was supposed to date did not leave him in a bathtub full of ice water and one kidney lighter. lol

Anyway on the keeping a Ukrainian woman aweswome posts by Toni and Orson. Really gives me a lot of perspective. I am late to the game a bit older but look a lot younger. And have been told this by several much younger women that I gamed. I wonder if this have been covered in depth on here?

But on the marriage thing I can tell you from first hand experience. That I was in a really bad marriage totally beta and miserable and I was able to use marriage game to completely turn that around. Took about a year from the bottom to being the primary alpha in my household. Roissy talks about this extensively and how to maintain a marriage you have to display an ongoing game of soft dominance. Spinning plates, dread, limited communication, encouragement, leadership, very dominant sexual play.

I am living proof that it works at least on an attractive american wife. I went from almost never getting sex to getting whenever and wherever I want. And I get more blowjobs now without even asking than I did in previous years combined.

Dont know about Ukrainian women but I suspect it would if played correctly. I understand there are statistics that show that American men that marry foreign wives is about 80% success. If that is the case that would make this one of the most successful ways to get married in the western world. I would love to hear others take on how gaming Ukrainian women would work. And if anyone has ever been in a LTR with a really hot Ukrainian woman and made it work through game.

I'm in the similar stage of life early 40's but look mid 30's. I have mixed feeling about the original post as I too have been to Kiev 4 times for a week at a time and I add a another dimension to this debate since I'm East Indian.
I still remember dating this chick last Sept who hated Turks and yet she was with me. It has more to do with behavior then the color of your skin truth be told.
In my experience 80% of Ukrainian girls are not open to dating another race about the same white girls in West in terms of what I see... alternatively 5%-10% are "into" brown guys and those have been my best sexual experiences with these girls.

The reality is that if that girl was really that hot then it would be likely I would not had chance to date with her to begin with. I really don't see that Ukrainian girls "don't care about about looks" especially when it comes to the under 25 hotties who will always have options unless you are spending the big bucks. Since everybody's standards are different I would say only 10% girls I see there I would consider a 8 plus looks wise once you account for the clothes, makeup, etc.
Unless you have family/ work/ business/ etc... I see less and less reason to go UA strictly for the women especially if a guy is doing well in the US and getting quality.

Post: #53

What happend to Ohio? lol Is he in love and cannot come up for air long enough to tell us what happened?

Rish, I am interested in your story also. I have been told you need to be there long term and speak russian to get anywhere. Is that true. You are dating Ukrainin girls. What kind of game do you put on them?

Seems like you are getting success with short visits. Is it as hard as some people say?

Post: #54

Guys like the OP are in for a rude awakening.

Post: #55

Why do you say this? He said a lot what part is wrong?

Have you spent a lot of time there?

I am trying to learn. Could you elaborate?

Post: #56

^ I say this about your attitude!

Post: #57

Ha...that was worthless.

Post: #58

Does anyone have personal knowledge of a happy marriage between a really good looking younger Ukrainian woman and an older American man? As I get into mid 40s I start to think I may look for a LTR over there.

Also....since UA and Russian women speak different language and have different culture.....does that prevent true repoire/bonding/friendship in a relationship? Several American girls I've dated , we've had wonderful repoire and could be great bonded friends because we shared the same language and culture. I'm wondering if how hard/impossible that would be with a UA woman ( even though she learns English )

Post: #59

(09-13-2014 09:02 PM)robreke Wrote:  Does anyone have personal knowledge of a happy marriage between a really good looking younger Ukrainian woman and an older American man? As I get into mid 40s I start to think I may look for a LTR over there.

Also....since UA and Russian women speak different language and have different culture.....does that prevent true repoire/bonding/friendship in a relationship? Several American girls I've dated , we've had wonderful repoire and could be great bonded friends because we shared the same language and culture. I'm wondering if how hard/impossible that would be with a UA woman ( even though she learns English )

(09-13-2014 09:02 PM)robreke Wrote:  Does anyone have personal knowledge of a happy marriage between a really good looking younger Ukrainian woman and an older American man? As I get into mid 40s I start to think I may look for a LTR over there.

Also....since UA and Russian women speak different language and have different culture.....does that prevent true repoire/bonding/friendship in a relationship? Several American girls I've dated , we've had wonderful repoire and could be great bonded friends because we shared the same language and culture. I'm wondering if how hard/impossible that would be with a UA woman ( even though she learns English )

Robreke, let me give you my 2 cents. I am 35 so not that far from your age and marriage has crossed my mind many times as going out and doing night-game is getting more difficult for me (up to now my preferred method of meeting women).
While I don't have personal knowledge of successful marriages in this area there are a couple forums dealing about these marriage issues of foreign guys and FSU women. I can tell you though that there is a huge difference between a love tourist and a marriage tourist. I would say the former is easier than the latter. I've been successful dating overseas but every foreign relationship that i've had has broken down when the girl or I tried to make it more serious for various reasons (distance, career, lack of communication, families, jealousy, etc.). In some cases it was due to fear of commitment on my part but I blame the distance and lack of normal physical contact for not being able to commit (perhaps because i've partially swallowed the red pill as well).

The problem you have to consider is not whether you will bond with the girl (i'm sure you will) but if she will be able to get adjusted to the extremely different culture in USA and the homesickness. Also, are you prepared to deal with all the temptations she will have here? I recommend you check out some of the posts by forum member Jimukr104 as he has commented on this many times in great detail.

Post: #60

(09-14-2014 11:25 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 09:02 PM)robreke Wrote:  Does anyone have personal knowledge of a happy marriage between a really good looking younger Ukrainian woman and an older American man? As I get into mid 40s I start to think I may look for a LTR over there.

Also....since UA and Russian women speak different language and have different culture.....does that prevent true repoire/bonding/friendship in a relationship? Several American girls I've dated , we've had wonderful repoire and could be great bonded friends because we shared the same language and culture. I'm wondering if how hard/impossible that would be with a UA woman ( even though she learns English )

(09-13-2014 09:02 PM)robreke Wrote:  Does anyone have personal knowledge of a happy marriage between a really good looking younger Ukrainian woman and an older American man? As I get into mid 40s I start to think I may look for a LTR over there.

Also....since UA and Russian women speak different language and have different culture.....does that prevent true repoire/bonding/friendship in a relationship? Several American girls I've dated , we've had wonderful repoire and could be great bonded friends because we shared the same language and culture. I'm wondering if how hard/impossible that would be with a UA woman ( even though she learns English )

Robreke, let me give you my 2 cents. I am 35 so not that far from your age and marriage has crossed my mind many times as going out and doing night-game is getting more difficult for me (up to now my preferred method of meeting women).
While I don't have personal knowledge of successful marriages in this area there are a couple forums dealing about these marriage issues of foreign guys and FSU women. I can tell you though that there is a huge difference between a love tourist and a marriage tourist. I would say the former is easier than the latter. I've been successful dating overseas but every foreign relationship that i've had has broken down when the girl or I tried to make it more serious for various reasons (distance, career, lack of communication, families, jealousy, etc.). In some cases it was due to fear of commitment on my part but I blame the distance and lack of normal physical contact for not being able to commit (perhaps because i've partially swallowed the red pill as well).

The problem you have to consider is not whether you will bond with the girl (i'm sure you will) but if she will be able to get adjusted to the extremely different culture in USA and the homesickness. Also, are you prepared to deal with all the temptations she will have here? I recommend you check out some of the posts by forum member Jimukr104 as he has commented on this many times in great detail.

Thanks for the insights....I'll check those out.

As a slightly older man ( although recently two women guessed my age at 30, 32 or 34 ha!) I want to offer you a quick thought.

You're 35, I don't know where you live but you should be daygaming your ass off. I daygame at 44 and pickup girls in mid and early 20s. not all the time ....but enough to get laid. 7s at least too.

So, at 35....stay lean and do daygame. Forget the bar scene. Coffee shops, bookstores, the street if you're in NYC or a good walking area. Hell, even college campi if you can pass for a grad student a la Gio.

Point is...at 35 you should be maxing that age out at least the next 10 years via American daygame. It also helps to study daygame via online videos, Roosh's material, GLL's material, etc.

Post: #61

@robreke,

Thanks for the insights as well BUT I just might be the first guy ever on Roosh forums to say that I actually look older than my age so age 35 is not helping me. I am in good shape, have high bank roll, and dress stylishly but years of working and studying my ass off have caused premature wrinkles as well as "hollow eyes" and also occasional acne outbreaks.
Last week when I went out in DC a girl guessed my age as 37 so I doubt I'd do well on a college campus. Pretty sure at age 44 you look younger than myself. So I am usually night gaming or if bored doing online game and alcohol always helps with approach anxiety.
Really just about the only time I do day-game now is when I travel as a tourist thus some of my success with foreign relationships but I will keep your advice in mind.

Post: #62

(09-13-2014 09:02 PM)robreke Wrote:  Does anyone have personal knowledge of a happy marriage between a really good looking younger Ukrainian woman and an older American man?

If you really want to marry one go live there or go to a third country like Thailand, Dominican, etc. Personally unless you speak Russian and have a deep connection to the culture, history, etc to that region of the world, marriage has high a probability of disaster.
Think about it the divorce rate is already 50% in the West anyways. Once she gets here and discovers her worth if she is much younger, forget about it.

That said I would not mind having children with a Russian or FSU women as the thought has crossed my mind as I'm hitting 44 soon.
I prefer the 'mini relationships" route. The one thing I do find is the a lot of the Russian & Ukrainian women seem to have a better body then face - does anybody seem to find that ?

Currently for example I have a 21 year been seeing for a while has 8 body wise but only 7 in terms of face. I seem to get a a lot of that.

Post: #63

(09-03-2014 06:29 AM)DaveR Wrote:  The OP should keep in mind that if he is dating Eastern women who have travelled to the US on their own volition, he is dealing with pre-qualified sluts.

I agree with the premise that women lose the ability to bond once they have experienced a handful of sexual partners, even if in relationships. In Russia there is no stigma against talking about prior relationships, so one may easily dig into a girl's history. They generally won't tell you their notch count until after sleeping with them, but even before that, it's possible to gain a rough idea by asking indirectly.

The main reason I would not look for an 'eternal' wife in Russia is that such a concept has never existed in Russian Orthodoxy. The Church has always permitted up to three marriages, with certain conditions. This is completely at odds with the Catholic concept of marriage and idea that the partners become one when they are married.

In any case, I think the game tactics that most of us deploy are not effective in the search for a wife. Game teaches us to eliminate women who we can't conquer through game and short-term biological attraction. As a result, we are left with the low-hanging fruit from a marriage perspective.

You are spot on except many of the game tactics used by most on RVF are actually effective for finding a wife. In fact some are much better than what a church pastor looking for one, without praying for God to just send him one, would have at his disposal.

I will try to keep this brief, but game is essential for any man. Even deciding to walk around aimlessly without no game is still some kind of game. It's just not good game.

For a quick example:

Asshole game is effective in determining the overall temperament of a future wife candidate.

Social circle game is excellent for figuring out what kind of company she keeps. IS she going to have half-dressed bitches and sluts hanging our around your children and family members? Will her friends embarrass you outside? Will her friends create drama that makes her stay up at all hours of the night arguing over bullshit instead of being in the bed with you at night? Getting enough sleep to deal with the kids in the morning?

Lost guy game/need directions is good for figuring out if she has a kind heart toward strangers or people in general.

The lost wallet,she pick up the tab game lets you know how resourceful she might be potentially as well as her demeanor when you do not have money on you during an outing.

The Let's Go Meet Your Parents trick/game is excellent to figure out a litany of things:

1) How strong her family is.
2) If she is a liar/Honesty test.
3) If she has more or less daddy issues from what you have already seen.
4) Gauge her comfort levels.
5) Figure out how much affection she has for you.
6) Tests her sense of humor.

I could go on and on. The problem most players have is transitioning to the end game itself. People in general are creatures of habit. If you habitually run the same games and do the same routines day in and day out, the women will phase in and out as like they always have. They never blossom because you never put them to the test for the next level. Men also arguably can risk not being able to ever bond with a woman with too high of a notch count. There are exceptions and caveats to this, but there is still a general risk. To begin looking for a wife you do have to come to a presence of mind that pussy on a fundamental level is all the same and you are trying to get to the next level in life to raise a family or something else if you are too old for that. You have to come to terms that you are requiring something more out of a woman, and you must set forth a plan to find those exact qualifications, and even strategize all the logistics behind it. Few men just walk into the woman of their dreams. It actually requires work. Yeah the same kind of work it takes planning a trip fueled by RVF datasheets, posts, and blogs that have ONS, SNL, and flag hunting as goals on them.

You can use all the same techniques, just score the results differently.

Post: #64

Traveler that was definetly helpful. I am older than most guys on here 50 but still occasionally pull women 25ish, and get women in their 30's not a great age for American women.

I am a. If proponent of roissey's claim that you have to game your wife just like single women. I am an amatuer at gaming single women to pickup. But have been very successful at gaming a wife. I was at the bottom and was able to successfully work my way into a dominant position in about a year. So it does work. Doing this with Ukrainian women I believe would be similar?

Also one other note I have heard folks quoting stats garnerd from the US state department visas that international marriages have an 80% success rate vs domestic at 50%.

Not sure how valid accurate either number is. It does seem that red pill men seem to have the magic bullet that gets them more pussy making even harder for them to do the work and commit.

Post: #65

TravelerKai: I agree, but what I meant was that the specific tactics are quite different. The usual ones (approaching en masse, keno, isolation, escalation, etc.) most often lead to the 'easier' women rather than ). I agree about social circle, and that is something I often use in combination with 'background research' (reviewing what she has revealed on social networks).

I would be interested to hear more about long-term game from people like yourself and older guys who have experienced the trials and tribulations themselves. There may already be a few great threads, but I find it difficult to identify them given the sheer number of posts and threads on this forum.

I still think the Eastern Orthodox world is a less than ideal place to look for a wife in the Catholic/Protestant 'eternal' sense. In my mind, it would be better to focus on South America or some other region where the religion and culture align with those plans. I've never found any decent statistics on the matter, but from experience, I would say around half of all Russian children live in broken families by the time they reach 18 years; sometimes from a much younger age. There is very little stigma against single mothers, even those who were single at the time of the child's birth.
On the other hand, if one enters a marriage with the above in mind and expecting it to end at some point, then it would be a suitable option.

rishboy: Slavs (especially Russians, Czechs, Slovaks) usually do have great bodies as long as they keep the fat off. During their first few months, a lot of men become overwhelmed by the lack of obesity and the provocative way Eastern women dress and use makeup. You'll hear them make unrealistic statements like "nearly every girl is a 7 or better." I think you've seen through the facade, that's all.

Post: #66

(09-18-2014 09:48 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  Traveler that was definetly helpful. I am older than most guys on here 50 but still occasionally pull women 25ish, and get women in their 30's not a great age for American women.

I am a. If proponent of roissey's claim that you have to game your wife just like single women. I am an amatuer at gaming single women to pickup. But have been very successful at gaming a wife. I was at the bottom and was able to successfully work my way into a dominant position in about a year. So it does work. Doing this with Ukrainian women I believe would be similar?

Also one other note I have heard folks quoting stats garnerd from the US state department visas that international marriages have an 80% success rate vs domestic at 50%.

Not sure how valid accurate either number is. It does seem that red pill men seem to have the magic bullet that gets them more pussy making even harder for them to do the work and commit.

I do not read Roissey much or at all really, just from what I hear second hand through you guys. He is 100% absolutely correct. Game is essential for all relationships. I am on my second marriage. I use game all the time on my Chinese wife. It does not feel like work either. It's natural now. I only seem to notice my use of game techniques if it is quiet and I am sitting on the coach self reflecting. I control and direct the whole ship, that is my family without it feeling like any kind of struggle at all. My wife knows my rules through and through. She knows my game. She knows I could replace her in the drop of a hat. She knows all my tricks, which also means that she knows she cannot stop me either. She has no intentions of doing that but nevertheless, she is aware. Awareness is pretty much all you need. A wife that would require alot more game than that, is not really wife material in my opinion because that means she lacks traditional wife role values and background via her family. That's another reason why women from broken homes make terrible wives in my opinion.

Gaming a wife vs a single woman is nothing different like in my above post from a ideological perspective. The nuts and bolts of the techniques may change a small amount. For example, I no longer show my now wife and past Chinese girlfriends pictures of my other girls or let them see all my female friends on my Chinese type of Facebook, to demonstrate my level of appeal to their pretty peers, etc. Nowadays when pretty girls try to add me to my profile (I have removed all others), my wife sees it on my phone or I point it out and laugh at it. Shit like that. I probably only needed to do that once, but a subtle reminder never hurts. I actually cannot remember the last time I have done that, our marriage is so good that would be a waste of time right now. That's just a small example of the subtle change in game techniques for single vs marriage. The overall concept is still the same.

All women, especially spoiled Westerners, want what they cannot have. Displays of jealousy from others are an everyday event while we live here in the US. I do not have to do anything to reinforce that I am a man of value. Game involves environment as well as techniques. In China, the jealousy is even worse. That is why if you live there, your woman has to do more than just merely be on her best behavior, she has to fend off the leeches and other bitches that want a piece of you. That is why guys with no game strongly prefer to strut around Asia like a boss in some lazy fashion with their broad on their arm. It gives them immense pre-validation game to the max without work needed.

I cannot vouch for game's viability on Ukrainian women, but it would be cool if you would be the first RVF pioneer for that, like how Badwolf was the first white Canadian guy with a Chinese wife here and me being the first black guy with a Chinese wife. It should all work the same for the most part, except all game must be structured around their cultural environment as well. In other words, don't use my Chinese specific game tips in my dating guide on a Ukrainian woman and expect it to work 100% (like hong bao stuff). You can use the other general techniques but only as a base and just fine tune it to meet the specific needs of those women.

All men can game forever. Game is not just something used only for women by young men. Game is called Social Engineering in the hacking world. Game is all encompassing. Social Circle Game involves dudes and men too because let's be realistic here, most circles include some guys as well, and you have to know how to manipulate all of them in there to help keep the females straight as well. A rogue male can fuck up a good social circle very quickly if you cannot establish leadership and take control of the situation in front of the females, without offending them in the process.

Some people here did not believe Roosh when he said Game would have saved Elliot the serial killers life. Roosh was 100% correct. Unfortunately Elliot Rodger was a Game Denalist. Most guys here, especially Tuthmosis because he instabans them, know that Game Denialists are naturally incapable of using self-improvement. Self improvement and game are mutually exclusive. You cannot have one without the other. Since you were willing to try game to improve your marriage, you saw the improvement from your persistence in making it work. Use the same work effort towards Ukraine women. Put in the work and time and that tree should bear fruit. If it does not, pull back and figure out what went wrong, then go back and fix it. I used all kinds of outside-the-box methods when dating Chinese women because there was not alot of help out there for black guys online. I did not let the surface difficult prevent me from getting the success I wanted. I just knuckled down harder on my inner game.

The stats on K1 Visa marriages lasting much longer than domestic regular marriages is definitely true. The comforts of Western living with a traditional wife with good Eastern values is extremely hard to beat. I know about 3 handfuls of couples that have done this now and they all love it and are afraid to tell others because they fear jealousy. I have an old boss that has a Lithuanian wife and he says she is the best thing in the world that has ever happened to him and he is in his late 40s and she is much younger. He told me all this in whispers with the door closed. It's like we stole some famous artwork and we cannot tell anyone. Badwolf once told me that I must be in heaven over there (in the US) with a Chinese wife and I couldn't lie, it certainly feels like at least a slice of heaven at a bare minimum.

Every guy here at some point is going to feel the itch to slow it down a notch or several. Let them decide when. RVF guys and the Manosphere are going to grow up together whether we want to or not. This is all new territory for red-pill men and with that comes nervousness and fear. We can help each other out and provide support and leadership, but none of us can do these things for each other. If one of your roles/goals is going to be as a leader for the younger men, I would suggest you take up the torch and trail-blaze it, then document it, then provide support on it for the younger and newer red-pill men of the future. Defeating Feminism and it's vile counterparts will require action on our parts. Children, marriages, alliances with religious people, writing, entrepreneurship, etc. We cannot complain about it forever.

Post: #67

(09-18-2014 10:47 AM)DaveR Wrote:  TravelerKai: I agree, but what I meant was that the specific tactics are quite different. The usual ones (approaching en masse, keno, isolation, escalation, etc.) most often lead to the 'easier' women rather than ). I agree about social circle, and that is something I often use in combination with 'background research' (reviewing what she has revealed on social networks).

I would be interested to hear more about long-term game from people like yourself and older guys who have experienced the trials and tribulations themselves. There may already be a few great threads, but I find it difficult to identify them given the sheer number of posts and threads on this forum.

I actually had to look up kino. I actually used all of those other techniques, even while wife hunting, I just did not know what kino was in PUA lingo. I think the difference is not so much the girl but how far you escalate, isolate, and kino as well. If you put them in difficult positions that they are not used to, that is a strong risk to take and can lead to unpredictable results. Getting a good read on women before taking actions is key as well. I tend to build psychological and personality type profiles as fast as possible to get a good idea of what I am dealing with, then pick the proper techniques with the proper intensity.

The best threads where I have LTR game stuff in them would be Beyond Border's Asian women thread here.

Many in that thread liked alot of the stuff I provided in there. It's all Asian geared so I cannot say how valuable it might be to you or not, but I cover lots of things LTR wise from my own experiences in there.

Anything more would require some kind of special write up possibly although I am not sure about the demand or interest that would get here. I am about 3/4 done on my Martial Arts datasheet.

Post: #68

First Lady of Ukraine
53 y.o. mother of 4
not so bad even despite using photoshop

Post: #69

(09-18-2014 03:17 PM)Bobkins Wrote:  First Lady of Ukraine
53 y.o. mother of 4
not so bad even despite using photoshop

pretty bad considering Petro is a billionaire and 48 yrs old.

Post: #70

(09-18-2014 04:43 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 03:17 PM)Bobkins Wrote:  First Lady of Ukraine
53 y.o. mother of 4
not so bad even despite using photoshop

pretty bad considering Petro is a billionaire and 48 yrs old.

not so bad if compare with previous first lady

Post: #71

^^True being the CANDY MAN has its advantages!

CANDY MAN, CANDY MAN CANDY MAN.

Post: #72

(09-18-2014 06:44 PM)Bobkins Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 04:43 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 03:17 PM)Bobkins Wrote:  First Lady of Ukraine
53 y.o. mother of 4
not so bad even despite using photoshop

pretty bad considering Petro is a billionaire and 48 yrs old.

not so bad if compare with previous first lady

Both look like witches. It's unbelievable how much women practice magic in Ukraine. They really believe in it and they have lots of superstition too. sometimes, I feel like in Africa here...

Post: #73

(09-18-2014 06:53 PM)Lika Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 06:44 PM)Bobkins Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 04:43 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 03:17 PM)Bobkins Wrote:  First Lady of Ukraine
53 y.o. mother of 4
not so bad even despite using photoshop

pretty bad considering Petro is a billionaire and 48 yrs old.

not so bad if compare with previous first lady

Both look like witches. It's unbelievable how much women practice magic in Ukraine. They really believe in it and they have lots of superstition too. sometimes, I feel like in Africa here...

Haha yeah I have heard a few stories about this, to be fair this is the same pretty much all over the world. Although the African black magic seems a lot more macabre.

Regarding this thread, women are the same whether you go, once you start peeling back the layers. I am not going to say that a native Russian chick is going to be the same as an anglosphere urban dweller. This is of course noticeable differences and the first will be a better option. But lets put it this way, I have seen EE and Russian women absolutely destroy men and take them for rides. Hell I have even seen the hypergamous nature of muslim women in the M.E.

Point is, there is no safe zone or comfort with women. To answer the question, despite the propaganda, you will find a good wife in Russia, although it means nothing, if you don't have some sense of game, direction in life. As for bringing women back, I don't really advise it. The sexual market is pretty transitory, but the way things are now, a normal Russian woman living somewhere such as London or New York, will without a doubt change dramatically.

Post: #74

My experience was that Ukrainian women age worse than any other race I've encountered. Most likely a combination of smoking, pollution, alcohol, poor diet and poverty. There just seemed to be no women over 25 other than the stereotypical squat peasant women. And there were the usual skin and dental issues common to poor countries.

The race issue is relevant if you are looking for a wife since it basically shows she's of a socioeconomic background where she's happy to publicly slut away with the most despised foreign element, either because of a fetish or a disregard for her own reputation. But I don't think this is the place to look for advice on finding a wife.

Post: #75

(09-18-2014 09:49 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  My experience was that Ukrainian women age worse than any other race I've encountered. Most likely a combination of smoking, pollution, alcohol, poor diet and poverty....

Totally agree. It amazing how many girls I have seen and met that actually look older then they are. That is why you need to get to them when are young.
Back to the marriage issue. I would agree that Ukrainian and other FSU women can make great "Baby Momma's" especially if you get to them early like under 25. A added advantage of not getting married is that it keeps the women on their toes since you have a kid with them and if they get out of line, they know you easily leave.
I hope any guy that does knock up a chick is financially able to help out, don't be a dead beat.
It continually amazes how easily Russian, Ukrainian chicks will easily bend on not using protection. It seems having children is such a emotional decision instead of a well thought out plan that even trumps getting married sometimes.