Post: #26

Fake. Everything about this seems staged and poorly thrown together. The beheading video fades out early and shows no blood, these videos are usually brutal, you'd think they'd bring the whole thing to the table if this was real, instead you get just enough to convince the brain dead american public. The parents reaction really just hammers it home, how the fuck? Even with a bunch of drugs and knowing that your hostage son would die one day.. How do you react like that? Its all acting.

Who's ready for another war? Because that's what we're being sold, and I already know 90% of america is going "fuck yeah kill em all!"

Post: #27

It's possible that the parents had already figured him dead and then to actually witness your son die... hell, I would be cold too from the shock. That's a lot of emotional stress to take.

Post: #28

(08-20-2014 11:09 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  Fake. Everything about this seems staged and poorly thrown together. The beheading video fades out early and shows no blood, these videos are usually brutal, you'd think they'd bring the whole thing to the table if this was real, instead you get just enough to convince the brain dead american public. The parents reaction really just hammers it home, how the fuck? Even with a bunch of drugs and knowing that your hostage son would die one day.. How do you react like that? Its all acting.

Who's ready for another war? Because that's what we're being sold, and I already know 90% of america is going "fuck yeah kill em all!"

The video looks real. The reason for the cut away is it probably took a while to cut the head off with such a small knife.

Regardless, I do feel like we are being sold Iraq War 3.0 since the "no boots on the ground" BS line is totally broken since the USA already has over 1,000 troops that it has sent to Iraq since the start of the IS offensive, and more are going to be sent.

Post: #29

(08-20-2014 10:40 PM)RawGod Wrote:  Dude is held captive for two years then executed and you're quibbling over whether he was a coward or not? And whether his parents are reacting to the media the way you think they should be? Have some fucking respect. I've heard of guys with cancer shitting themselves and cursing in agony the moment of death. There are no guarantees of dignity and the amount of dignity we can summon at that point is not a judgment of the value of a person. Haven't watched, but I'm sure Foley did the best he could.

Well said.

An absence of courage does not equate cowardice.

Post: #30

(08-20-2014 05:26 PM)Mage Wrote:  People today have no honor.

There were times when captured soldiers commited a seppuku or swallowed a cyanide tablet.

There were even for our standarts unthinkable times when women would rather commit suicide then survive getting raped.

People without honor are slaves.

He was a journalist, relax.

Post: #31

Lot of arm chair quarterbacking going on on here.

Number of RVF guys who could withstand being held captive and tortured for 2 years without breaking?

0

Post: #32

(08-20-2014 04:56 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  Journalist James Foley was beheaded by ISIS guys.

Like with Nick Berg, Daniel Pearl and others, this was a gruesome show on video. It's on LiveLeak in the full version.

Before his head was chopped off, Foley made a speech denouncing the bombing of ISIS sites by the USA. He made it very personal, addressing his own brother in the US Air Force and blaming him and his fellow Air Force people.





This made me cringe a little. I am critical of US policy, but to me, the people holding me captive who are going to cut my head off are my enemies.

Not exactly Fabrizio Quattrocchi - who was defiant when they killed him in Iraq.

On the other hand, who knows what kind of abuse the guy took during his months of captivity? What would I do in his shoes?

When I was in the military, I had the chance to listen to talks by Vietnam POWs, Vice Admiral James Stockdale and Captain Richard Stratton. One of the things they emphasized was that everyone has a breaking point, but the important thing was to keep resisting, mentally and physically. The POWs made it a point to bring anyone who might have committed a breach of the US Military Code of Conduct for POWs back into the fold and tell them, "OK, me too, what the fuck do we do next to resist?"

This is not an academic question to me or to a lot of people - I used to think about what I'd do if my security detail was overwhelmed at a checkpoint. I decided I would punch the first guy I saw and run like hell if I could. I carried a knife in the small of my back.

How can you cultivate mental toughness to resist extreme situations? For me, humor, irreverence and an anti-authoritarian attitude are important. The various prison diaries and books like Papillon (highly recommended) give tips on how to resist, survive, and to think.

I'd prefer to die fighting than giving up. Or: even worst still...die running...

Post: #33

You can't say Foley wasn't brave, because he spent years as a war correspondent in dangerous places.

Whether he broke from physical torture or was psychologically "converted" to deliver a message for his captors, I don't know. Unlike the Vietnam POWs I mentioned above, he was isolated, alone. I'm interested in methods of resisting your captors.

Post: #34

This topic makes me laugh.

Everything is already rolling. Even Al Quaida and Saudi Arabia thinks IS's advance must be stopped. There's been 70+ journalists abducted and/or killed in the region since the start of the Syrian conflict. IS have shown themselves very savvy with video editing earlier in their drive-by-shooting vids.

Also, the one thing that should tip you off that this is the real deal...
IS has assumed responsibility for the beheading.

No false flash.
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Post: #35

If I had to put money this video is fake. At least from what is shown. Why on earth would ISIS edit the video????
Wouldn´t it send a more powerful message to show the complete beheading?

No weapons of mass destruction this time.

A lot of news station title speak about an "apparent beheading" instead of just a "beheading occurred". They are protecting themselves if the video turns out to be a hoax, as I think it is.

https://www.google.pt/webhp?sourceid=chr...0beheading

David Cameron cancels holidays:

http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Prim...story.html

Really? For a behading occuring in the midle east?

A real beheading:

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/warning-very...an-tunisia

In the event this is true which I think it´s not the guy or his family don´t deserve a single ounce of criticism.

Personally I find everything happening in midle east disgusting and the real epicenter of all is the israel-palestin conflict.This conflict is like a button you can press to spend money in wars.

You can have an arab (not islamist) living in Europe, never meeting an israeli and he will still hate them. The same goes with israelis. Both peons in the great game.

Post: #36

I've become an arm chair expert on things like this. I took a keen interest way back when they first started doing it but it is nothing new.

However ISIS/IS has members who understand the impact of media in the west. They know we would never show it in all its detail but we would show parts of it. That is what they want.

In Mexico they had a policy to show the full extent of the butchering going on by the cartels but recently they have toned it down a lot to protect the public and not give these guys free air time.

With this video there are some things that must be recognised.

1: Yes, it is very real. The fact that there are people calling "fake" because they didn't see it all is amusing.

The point of the video was not to show him getting murdered but showing how hopeless he was and how hopeless the US will be at eliminating them.

2: The verbal communication in the video is the message, not the beheading itself. The guys behind this are from the western hemisphere 100% and were behind a few recent videos where they showed ISIS executing soldiers and civilians who worked with the US military.

They showed all of that. But they did not show the beheading of one commander who fought back. Why?

Because they know we're not fussed over people dying to bullets but a knife to the neck? That strikes people has something slow and painful which it is most often as they dont always use a sharp knife. Ask yourself, would you rather die with a cut throat or a hail of bullets?

This is Jihad propaganda for the western hemisphere. Something horrific but can be digested.


I am not really surprised about this however. This guy was stupid enough to go to Syria of all places and ended up being captured. This is his fate.

Post: #37

(08-20-2014 08:22 PM)Laurifer Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 06:09 PM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  I want every last one of those fuckers dead. Just seeing this made me so pissed off I wanted to start breaking things.

What incites the most rage from me is the British accent of the executioner.

What an angel the multi-cultural UK has raised.

I'm glad someone else said it. I listened and thought...that sounds alot like Ali G and those guys need to invest in a guillotine. Sawing his head off with a pocket knife disturbed me the most.

Post: #38

What if Foley was nothing more than a useful idiot who went to Syria to support those terrorists? A journalist called Daniel Greenfield wrote an interesting article about this possibility, with many screen captures from Foley's Twitter Account :

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenf...-his-head/

Post: #39

(08-21-2014 04:15 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  I've become an arm chair expert on things like this. I took a keen interest way back when they first started doing it but it is nothing new.

However ISIS/IS has members who understand the impact of media in the west. They know we would never show it in all its detail but we would show parts of it. That is what they want.

In Mexico they had a policy to show the full extent of the butchering going on by the cartels but recently they have toned it down a lot to protect the public and not give these guys free air time.

With this video there are some things that must be recognised.

1: Yes, it is very real. The fact that there are people calling "fake" because they didn't see it all is amusing.

The point of the video was not to show him getting murdered but showing how hopeless he was and how hopeless the US will be at eliminating them.

2: The verbal communication in the video is the message, not the beheading itself. The guys behind this are from the western hemisphere 100% and were behind a few recent videos where they showed ISIS executing soldiers and civilians who worked with the US military.

They showed all of that. But they did not show the beheading of one commander who fought back. Why?

Because they know we're not fussed over people dying to bullets but a knife to the neck? That strikes people has something slow and painful which it is most often as they dont always use a sharp knife. Ask yourself, would you rather die with a cut throat or a hail of bullets?

This is Jihad propaganda for the western hemisphere. Something horrific but can be digested.


I am not really surprised about this however. This guy was stupid enough to go to Syria of all places and ended up being captured. This is his fate.

In my old line of work I've seen people die, working in health care for 8 years it's unavoidable. People do strange things when they die.

1. His light piece of clothing.
He was only wearing the orange jumper since you can see a little sweat spot is on his chest (not enough in my view due to the sweat and hear combo, but that's another thing to its self), so where is team wet spot for his excrements?
You release bile/feces/urine when your dead as your muscles give out. He may of been fasted but something should of come out. He should have a wet spot, even small in his lower region.

2. No swelling of his legs.
He was kneeling when he was beheaded. Blood would of been forced up from that last pumps but then immediately flushed down. His legs should be appearing stressed and swollen from the expansion of blood rushing down due to simple gravity.

3. The lack of blood
The neck has the most aggressive blood pathways with a strait line to the heart. The last few involuntary pumps of the heart would of gushed out blood like a oil well. Look at the still photo and look at the lack of blood. There should be a good liter/quart of blood at least.

If you have seen other beheading videos (live leak is full of them) the blood mess is to obvious to ignore. Since you can't get a easy an clean cut the blood mess is very extreme.

Those are just the physical anomalies of the video. You can critique the digital aspects such as:

Why was it faded to black during the cut?
Why a still photo at the end instead of moving video?
Why would jihads care so much to craft such a "narrative"?

Does anybody forget Gadaffi when the same rugged Jihads got a hold of him? They weren't supposed to kill him (Gaddafi was on his way to meet Hillary Clinton to discuss a partition plan) but the didn't listen and killed him off and sodomized him with a riffle and stomped on him.

I laugh that these Jihads have so much craft as thought. All for what or the US and UK to come at them with a air attack and bomb them all to hell?

The video does not match the rugged ISIS mantra. It is too polished and crafted.

Post: #40

I feel sorry for him.

An idealistic young man, who wanted to help the Syrian resistance yet he ended up being decapitated by them.

Reminds me of this guy:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittorio_Arrigoni

Post: #41

(08-21-2014 06:39 AM)kosko Wrote:  3. The lack of blood
The neck has the most aggressive blood pathways with a strait line to the heart. The last few involuntary pumps of the heart would of gushed out blood like a oil well. Look at the still photo and look at the lack of blood. There should be a good liter/quart of blood at least.

Pretty much the same as the Nick Berg decapition video, who was also later identified as a CIA agent. It wouldn't surprise me if Foley turned out to be another government spook.

Post: #42

(08-20-2014 04:56 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  How can you cultivate mental toughness to resist extreme situations? For me, humor, irreverence and an anti-authoritarian attitude are important.

Sounds like knowing game is a great way to protect being mentally thrashed by the powers to be if you get incarcerated.

I'll pray for Foley and his family. No parent should have to watch a video of his child die. Personally, I wouldn't want some MSM goons recording me witnessing it either.

Post: #43

Here's the link to the video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f78_1408486626

I agree with kosko that this appears staged. In fact, it looks exactly like you'd expect it to if it was made by the U.S. to whip up popular support for increased military action against ISIS. Contrast this video with the earlier ISIS beheading videos. The difference is stark.

1) Most glaring of all, this video doesn't even show the actual beheading, something ISIS has never shied away from before. The body and the head are neatly posed at the end, shot from a single perspective with much less blood than seen in previous beheadings. This isn't even a video shot either, it's a still photo being panned to give the illusion of it being a video recording. Obviously it's much easier to photoshop a still photo than a video, so this extremely suspicious.
2) The professional nature of the video production
3) Multiple cameras
4) Multiple camera cuts
5) A tiny knife
6) The nonchalant vocal tone and body language of Foley
7) The position of the killer when he begins to make the cut. A grossly inefficient mechanical position for sawing off a head with a tiny knife, and a disgustingly messy position (guaranteeing his clothes will be needlessly soaked in the victim's blood, note that in other beheading videos the killers deliberately try to avoid this, the same way you would if butchering an animal). It's an excellent position if you want to hide the fact that you aren't actually cutting, though. Also, if he was really cutting we would have seen blood, even in the brief time before the camera cut out. But no blood.
8) The movie villain-like callout of President Obama and the American people at the end. Utterly ridiculous.

Foley was most likely tapped as a CIA asset years ago, it's possible he was recruited after becoming a conflict journalist or that might have been his cover from the beginning. Who knows if he was really captured or what his story was. Maybe his cover was blown or about to be and he was no longer useful. Maybe he just wanted to get out and disappear and CIA told him this was his ticket to do so.

That being said, it's possible that it's real. Definitely smells like bullshit, though. Tons of weird things about the video, combined with the obvious fact that the U.S. has all the incentive in the world to make something like that, the egregious history of falsified atrocity propaganda of this kind and that ISIS's origins stem from the CIA/Mossad to begin with. Just seems way too convenient at this point.

Post: #44

I might catch shit for saying this but I stand by it.

If the video is real and why not unless that guy is found somewhere years later.

My biggest problem is him making those statements instead of taunting him to just kill him. He knew he was going to have his head cut off. Pleading with your brother who is in the airforce to stop "killiing" these pieces of shit, and disrespect your president and countrymen like that on camera in some vain attempt to save your own life is foolish.

Aurini said it best. Imagine yourself dying violently everyday. If you were to die, do it in a noble way. If you work in warzones for a living, you are no different than a soldier. You know the fucking risk. Live by the sword, die by the sword. He was not killing people but following other killers to earn his living gave him the same risk.

His statements undermined his country internationally. Most Americans will never hear this because they usually do not show this stuff on the news, but if there was any patriotism and pride for his country in his heart, he should have just accepted the knife or gunshot and leave the impression to your fellow countrymen and younger men that you did not yield to terror or the enemy. Not only did they kill him but they disgraced and humiliated him publicly in the process.

All men should have the attitude that if some motherfucker gets the best of you some day, at least you went down fighting. A fight lasts but a moment, maybe an instant. The lasting stain of shame can last forever on paper. This is not peacocking, big ballerisms, or tough guy talk. This is the essense of men. The legacy of men is what this is about. The fact that this guy was 40 with no children tells me alot about his character as well. If he had some teenage sons would he had just blurted out, "Take care of the family for me boys, I love you." Then attempt to run and get shot? Or would he instead list a diatribe of shit from some Satanic spawn's script instead and get his head cut off like a quiet lamb?

If what I said makes some of you angry go read Scorpion's post here: /thread-39579-...#pid808579

This is related to all of this mess. A life without sacrifice will lend itself to evil, via selfishness or other forms of weakness.

Post: #45

I'm not going to watch the video but it doesn't seem impossible to me that people would behead a journalist

In the UK the police have said they will arrest people who watch it for terrorism so sadly I will miss the video

Post: #46

(08-21-2014 06:39 AM)kosko Wrote:  3. The lack of blood
The neck has the most aggressive blood pathways with a strait line to the heart. The last few involuntary pumps of the heart would of gushed out blood like a oil well. Look at the still photo and look at the lack of blood. There should be a good liter/quart of blood at least.

If you have seen other beheading videos (live leak is full of them) the blood mess is to obvious to ignore. Since you can't get a easy an clean cut the blood mess is very extreme.

He bled out into the desert sand which is a sponge. I've seen enough of these headless corpses to distinguish something real and a mannequin. A lot of "experts" (sick bastards, moreso than me) agree that it is real.

His head is covered in it on one side as a result of the executioner being a weak, limp wristed in-experienced killer. The dull blade did not help much. He struggled to severe the spinal column.

Quote:Why was it faded to black during the cut?
Why a still photo at the end instead of moving video?
Why would jihads care so much to craft such a "narrative"?

It isn't about the method. it is about the message so the western media can divulge it and think what it wants.

How many pictures of beheading victims are in the news? None. This was a "look at this" propaganda video which strikes at the heart of peoples fears.

These are cultured Jihadis. They're from western Europe. The high quality videos, editing software and sound are from equipment brought and used by those who know how to work them.

Ever wonder why so many videos exist that looked like they were filmed by a potato? Un-educated Jihad warriors don't give a shit about any of this. The leaders do however and are using these western Jihad students to their full advantage.

Remember hearts & minds by the coalition? This is militant Islam style of heart & minds. Kill those you hate and bathe in the glory of your God and brothers in arms.

Bored, insular Muslim students read about these guys like me and you read up on Game. They want it. badly.

Quote:I laugh that these Jihads have so much craft as thought. All for what or the US and UK to come at them with a air attack and bomb them all to hell?

The video does not match the rugged ISIS mantra. It is too polished and crafted.

We're dealing with an enemy that was armed by the US. It was given free reign in Syria and now Iraq.

100s have answered their call and thousands respect them in the west. This is the new Jihad war we are losing and they have become more organised as ever.

It is Saddam's old buddies running the show remember. They know how to run a show and keep the uneducated idiots happy with ultra violence and conquest of rape and pillaging.

Its like the crusades never ended.

Post: #47

If the man truly lost his life my sincere condolences, but judging by the intent of the captor and the calm yet subdued emotional state that James Foley carries as he faces his own beheading I do not believe he was killed. What I can gather from the footage is that James Foley collaborated with the Islamists willingly either to preserve his life by helping them create a ruse or he collaborated voluntarily due to his own beliefs.

Unless someone on the internet provides a video of the man's complete beheading this is how I see it.

Post: #48

(08-21-2014 01:53 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  My biggest problem is him making those statements instead of taunting him to just kill him. He knew he was going to have his head cut off. Pleading with your brother who is in the airforce to stop "killiing" these pieces of shit, and disrespect your president and countrymen like that on camera in some vain attempt to save your own life is foolish.

Made me think of a West Wing Episode. They were quoting from "The Lion in Winter."

'You fool! As if it matters how a man falls down.' And Richard says, 'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.'"

I agree go with honor and dignity, especially if you chose to put yourself in that situation.

West Wing Clip




The Lion in Winter Clip

Post: #49

I wonder how many of the guys criticizing him here from their air-conditioned rooms for not 'dying like a man' would have gone into an active warzone as a photojournalist, endured torture for 2 years and gotten beheaded without crying like a baby.

Its easy to call someone an idiot and a coward. Its not easy to take big risks, like covering the Syrian Civil War and certainly not easy to know that you are about to be executed.

I wonder how many of the members criticizing his 'lack of resistance' would even dare to go into Syria.

Post: #50

(08-21-2014 09:17 PM)xpatplayer Wrote:  I wonder how many of the guys criticizing him here from their air-conditioned rooms for not 'dying like a man' would have gone into an active warzone as a photojournalist, endured torture for 2 years and gotten beheaded without crying like a baby.

I myself have never been in a combat situation. But I would hope I would hold it together.

I have not watched the video. But if it is him begging and pleading for his life. Imagine the pain that leaves on his family. I would think of that, I hope, if I were going out. I wouldn't want my parents to know that my last moments were me in pain and fear and pleading. I hope I would go out with some dignity doing what I loved and knew/accepted that there were some potential consequences of working in a war zone.

But to absolutely honest, I have no idea what would happen/what I would do in that moment. I just wanted to point out that it could scar those that loved you if you went out in a pleading/crying/desperate way, or I at least imagined it would. I think it would haunt parents for letting their children take those risks, "I was a horrible parent", etc thinking. If you were go out nobly, at least I think they could have some peace that you chose to do something that you loved/cared about. It would lessen their hurt.

(08-21-2014 09:17 PM)xpatplayer Wrote:  I wonder how many of the members criticizing his 'lack of resistance' would even dare to go into Syria.

Not trying to be rude, but why would I want to? Unless I had a legit reason to be there me going there would just prove I was an idiot. Putting yourself in harm's way must be done for good reason not because you got some itch to scratch. Sure there are those travel guys that go everywhere. But I haven't done any analysis on those guys, remember sometimes adventure seekers have a screw loose.